Re: [LU] Burnley
Definitely a penalty I thought. On Monday, December 28, 2020, 12:34:56 PM EST, Steve Gillen wrote: .”.maybe Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just about every one of his medium to long passes went to them” Actually it seemed to me to be not just Meslier, too many cleared balls and often passes from outfield player were simply picked off by Burnley players, just bringing the pressure back on us again. Frankly I thought it was a pretty awful desperate game, the sort that it is good to come out of with all three points, but let’s be honest, how many of us would have accepted a daw as a fair result? Maybe not even a draw, our penalty was not a penalty, well in my opinion, and their goal should have stood. Frankly we got the points by some piss poor refereeing and then hanging on by our fingernails. The good to take from the game. We had the league specialists and playing and scoring from a dead ball against the worst performing team at corners and dead balls. Yet still we held them off. So on to the Baggies. Let’s hope their new found form (a point from Liverpool)is not yet set in stone and we come back all guns blazing. > On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:19, Robert Heath wrote: > > ..maybe > Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in > that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just > about every one of his medium to long passes went to them ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dorigo's Right Buttock... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dorigo's Right Buttock...
Re: [LU] Burnley
Could it be that our sudden failure to be able to work the ball "through
the thirds" was connected to the absence of ("pedestrian, sideways-only
passing") Kalvin Phillips as QB?
Oh and just as an irrelevant counterpoint to the narrative that Burnley
were robbed for that disallowed goalthe ref's call to give a
freekick against Mee (which looked a bad decision in 100 slow-motion
replays but in real time was not that bad) was balanced by the fact that
the ball into the box came from a freekick which should never have been
given anyway.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 5:15 PM Steve Gillen wrote:
> .”.maybe Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every
> player in
> that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just
> about every one of his medium to long passes went to them”
>
> Actually it seemed to me to be not just Meslier, too many cleared balls
> and often passes from outfield player were simply picked off by Burnley
> players, just bringing the pressure back on us again.
>
> Frankly I thought it was a pretty awful desperate game, the sort that it
> is good to come out of with all three points, but let’s be honest, how many
> of us would have accepted a daw as a fair result? Maybe not even a draw,
> our penalty was not a penalty, well in my opinion, and their goal should
> have stood. Frankly we got the points by some piss poor refereeing and then
> hanging on by our fingernails.
>
> The good to take from the game. We had the league specialists and playing
> and scoring from a dead ball against the worst performing team at corners
> and dead balls. Yet still we held them off.
>
> So on to the Baggies. Let’s hope their new found form (a point from
> Liverpool)is not yet set in stone and we come back all guns blazing.
>
> > On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:19, Robert Heath wrote:
> >
> > ..maybe
> > Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in
> > that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just
> > about every one of his medium to long passes went to them
>
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Re: [LU] Burnley
.”.maybe Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just about every one of his medium to long passes went to them” Actually it seemed to me to be not just Meslier, too many cleared balls and often passes from outfield player were simply picked off by Burnley players, just bringing the pressure back on us again. Frankly I thought it was a pretty awful desperate game, the sort that it is good to come out of with all three points, but let’s be honest, how many of us would have accepted a daw as a fair result? Maybe not even a draw, our penalty was not a penalty, well in my opinion, and their goal should have stood. Frankly we got the points by some piss poor refereeing and then hanging on by our fingernails. The good to take from the game. We had the league specialists and playing and scoring from a dead ball against the worst performing team at corners and dead balls. Yet still we held them off. So on to the Baggies. Let’s hope their new found form (a point from Liverpool)is not yet set in stone and we come back all guns blazing. > On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:19, Robert Heath wrote: > > ..maybe > Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in > that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just > about every one of his medium to long passes went to them ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dorigo's Right Buttock...
Re: [LU] Burnley
Hard to rate Meslier. He was certainly brave, mentally as well as physically, to keep coming for those crosses...and he dealt with them pretty well. And he made some good saves. But his distribution was very poor. I believe Bielsa's plan is that if the other team press high enough that he can't play it out short, he is supposed to chip the ball to an open player in the midfield area. Now maybe the problem was not Meslier...maybe Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just about every one of his medium to long passes went to them. BTW...going back to the new plan of having Meslier go for every ball at corners..I have always thought that this is the obvious thing to happen. You've got one tall lad in there who *is allowed to use their hands! *Just get out there and catch the bloody thing! On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 9:18 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Arguably the best result of the season so far but also possibly the worst > performance given the opposition were in my opinion the poorest we've faced > to date. We don't play as well at home and I think the pitch is now > contributing to that fact. The amount of times players stumbled or fell > over which led to a loss of possession was noticeable. Rodrigo looked like > he was wearing his slippers, continually sliding and slipping on the grass. > To play our type of football we need a good surface and at the moment the > ER pitch is not helping us. > First half wasn't too bad and we had the better of things but as always we > failed to take our chances. The best chance was provided on a plate with > gold cutlery by Raphinha for Harrison. It was easier to score but he > managed to side foot it into the keeper's path. He missed a similar chance > at Old Trafford and you would have hoped he would have pushed on after a > great Newcastle 2nd half but he has returned to his inconsistent form. > Rodrigo, who never really got going in this match, missed the other great > chance. After a great ball to the wing he then charged into the box to meet > the header but placed it high into the South Stand. > The ref was poor and he gave a lot of strange decisions. Our pen wasn't a > pen even after been checked by VAR ? and their goal was a definite goal as > Miesler just came out and took out their attacked before Barnes smashed it > in the net. > 2nd half you could argue was Plan B for Bielsa although it certainly > wasn't intentional. We spent most of the 45 mins with our backs to goal > defending desperately. Bielsa took Rodrigo and Raphinha off and replaced > with Poveda and Pablo. With Pablo dragged deep and Poveda almost playing as > a right back this didn't change anything and we were restricted to a few > counter attacks, one of which should have resuted in a goal but Pablo was > greedy rather than laying it off to the unmarked Harrison. He would have > missed it anyway. > Ou defence did well under great pressure and it was great to see Miesler > coming off his line to get to each set piece delivery. At times, it wasn't > convincing but he did manage to get his hands to a lot of balls and this > without doubt was a major factor in preventing Wood and co getting their > headers in. It's good to see a major change in tactics like that which > produced immediate results. Ayling and Philips got their headers in and we > hung on without any real danger. Burnley will be in that relegation battle > and the reason is that their forwards are championship. I've never watched > Chris Wood play in the PL and to be honest I'm surprised he's managed 1 in > 3 since he joined Burnley (how many pens ?). He's slow, ponderous and only > effective when the ball is put on his head from 3 yards out. Lucklily for > us he even managed to mess up his only chance from 3 yards. > So on to WBA and hopefully another 3 points, > Scores; > Miesler - 8. The main reason we kept a clean sheet today. > Ayling - 7. Defended well, no chances to get forward. > Allioski - 5. I thought he was a real weak link in this backs to the wall > performance. His defending is lacking. > Philips - 8. I thought he did really well. He anticipated their play very > well and beat Wood and co to many headers. Maybe centre back is his > position? He certainly reads the game well. I do think that Burnley and > especially Wood were tailor made for Philips and Ayling. It might look a > bit different against Son and Kane next week. In my opinion we should have > a centre back lined up for Jan 1st. If we haven't then for me this is poor > management. Llorente is Spanish for Forshaw (I nicked that from Twitter) > and Koch is effectively out for the season. > The Ripper (aka Strujik) - 7. I thought he did well battling for every > ball. > Dallas - 7. Could and should have done better with his chance in the first > half but he worked hard in the different position
[LU] Burnley
Arguably the best result of the season so far but also possibly the worst performance given the opposition were in my opinion the poorest we've faced to date. We don't play as well at home and I think the pitch is now contributing to that fact. The amount of times players stumbled or fell over which led to a loss of possession was noticeable. Rodrigo looked like he was wearing his slippers, continually sliding and slipping on the grass. To play our type of football we need a good surface and at the moment the ER pitch is not helping us. First half wasn't too bad and we had the better of things but as always we failed to take our chances. The best chance was provided on a plate with gold cutlery by Raphinha for Harrison. It was easier to score but he managed to side foot it into the keeper's path. He missed a similar chance at Old Trafford and you would have hoped he would have pushed on after a great Newcastle 2nd half but he has returned to his inconsistent form. Rodrigo, who never really got going in this match, missed the other great chance. After a great ball to the wing he then charged into the box to meet the header but placed it high into the South Stand. The ref was poor and he gave a lot of strange decisions. Our pen wasn't a pen even after been checked by VAR ? and their goal was a definite goal as Miesler just came out and took out their attacked before Barnes smashed it in the net. 2nd half you could argue was Plan B for Bielsa although it certainly wasn't intentional. We spent most of the 45 mins with our backs to goal defending desperately. Bielsa took Rodrigo and Raphinha off and replaced with Poveda and Pablo. With Pablo dragged deep and Poveda almost playing as a right back this didn't change anything and we were restricted to a few counter attacks, one of which should have resuted in a goal but Pablo was greedy rather than laying it off to the unmarked Harrison. He would have missed it anyway. Ou defence did well under great pressure and it was great to see Miesler coming off his line to get to each set piece delivery. At times, it wasn't convincing but he did manage to get his hands to a lot of balls and this without doubt was a major factor in preventing Wood and co getting their headers in. It's good to see a major change in tactics like that which produced immediate results. Ayling and Philips got their headers in and we hung on without any real danger. Burnley will be in that relegation battle and the reason is that their forwards are championship. I've never watched Chris Wood play in the PL and to be honest I'm surprised he's managed 1 in 3 since he joined Burnley (how many pens ?). He's slow, ponderous and only effective when the ball is put on his head from 3 yards out. Lucklily for us he even managed to mess up his only chance from 3 yards. So on to WBA and hopefully another 3 points, Scores; Miesler - 8. The main reason we kept a clean sheet today. Ayling - 7. Defended well, no chances to get forward. Allioski - 5. I thought he was a real weak link in this backs to the wall performance. His defending is lacking. Philips - 8. I thought he did really well. He anticipated their play very well and beat Wood and co to many headers. Maybe centre back is his position? He certainly reads the game well. I do think that Burnley and especially Wood were tailor made for Philips and Ayling. It might look a bit different against Son and Kane next week. In my opinion we should have a centre back lined up for Jan 1st. If we haven't then for me this is poor management. Llorente is Spanish for Forshaw (I nicked that from Twitter) and Koch is effectively out for the season. The Ripper (aka Strujik) - 7. I thought he did well battling for every ball. Dallas - 7. Could and should have done better with his chance in the first half but he worked hard in the different positions he was asked to play. Klich - 4. If there is one player who is struggling at the moment it's Klich. His shooting has gone and all those intelligent little passes are just not coming off. He doesn't look fit and the space that Burnely had early 2nd half and the space that Scum had is down to the fact that he isn't tracking back like we know he can do. Shackleton did a much better job when he replaced him 2nd half. He's even given up the penalties. Worrying times for Klich. Rodrigo - 5. Never got going but even when he's not quite at it, he always looks dangerous. I think the better substitution 2nd half would have been to take Bamford off put Rodrigo up front and Pablo behind him. Rodrigo would have got to the ball and held it up much better than Bamford. Bielsa will never do that because his system doesn't allow it. Pablo and Rodrigo can't be on the pitch at the same time. Frustrating. Raphinha - 7. Lively first half. I would have moved him more centrally 2nd half becase he hardly got a kick an we need him on the ball. Bamford - 5. Good run and dive for the
