Re: [LU] All quiet on the manager front

[Neil Hackett]

I have been thinking, hoping, that it’s all waiting for the turnover to be 
finalized.

I’m guessing Farke, and that works for me. Hopefully the club know who the new 
manager will be, and they are providing input on players.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m beginning to worry about the lack of a manager. When (some of) the
> players come back next week, who is going to take charge of training for a
> start?
> 
> I’m expecting around 12 of last years squeal to move on, and won’t be too
> sorry to lose half of them.
> 
> If that does happen, a combination of last years youngsters and returning
> loanees will be decent replacements for half a dozen at this level but
> someone is going to have to scout and sign around 6 first team players from
> somewhere.  It would be nice if we are not scrambling round for key players
> as the season gets going.
> With it being a short close season, it will affect our rivals too, but some
> of them have had a month’s start in building their squads.
> KOT
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Re: [LU] tonight

[Neil Hackett]

Fully agree!
Let’s get after them. If we have a strength it’s in the attack.

There’s no point in sitting back with the worst defence in the league.



> On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Nick  wrote:
> 
> No idea what the team will be or the formation or any of that…but what I 
> want to see is some fight…I want to see that it matters to the players.
> 
> Move onto the front foot, be aggressive (in a positive way).
> 
> Another capitulation and we’re really done for.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Scouse debacle

[Neil Hackett]

It was an awful game. We were completely impotent. Can we at least put up a 
fight?

Things need to change quickly. Gnonto needs to get back in.





> On Apr 18, 2023, at 5:54 AM, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Exactly that Dave, me and fellow ST holders round us reduced to wistful chat 
> of the “Ah well, at least we had those years under Bielsa…” kind.
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2023, at 10:49, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well it doesn't get much worse than that. Forget it was liverpool, we were 
>> playing a team in 8th place who had scored ZERO , NIL , NOT ONE  goals away 
>> from home v bottom half teams this season.  Yet our plan was to sit back and 
>> just let them have the ball, madness. Ok it sort of worked for 30 minutes 
>> but the general feeling was one mistake would cost us the game , we did not 
>> realise the mistake would be the referees, and we all knew this team could 
>> not go 90minutes without making lots of mistakes 
>> The first goal, always going to be crucial was a farce, I have heard that 
>> the handball was too far away from the actual goal for VAR to bother . WTF  
>> he hand balls it , and 3 passes later it is our net - absolutely dreadful 
>> decision 
>> Having said that it is like the old joke where someone is moaning 2 of their 
>> goals were offside in a 12-0 defeat.  
>> Once we went behind we had no clue,  our only  bit of joy was when 
>> Sinisterra ro bed their defender and finished with style. Game on we 
>> thought, but 2 minutes later it was game off. From that moment on it was 
>> just a case of how many.
>> We have messed up our GD stats in 3 games with minus 12 ( arse palace and 
>> last night)
>> Bit like the players I cant be bothered with the rest of the game other than 
>> Summerville came on and looked lively, Forshaw came on and looked lost  , 
>> Rutter came on and looked like he had never seen a football 
>> Highlight of the evening 2 gobby scouse birds, who thought the whole 
>> carriage wanted to listen to their inane filming of themselves arrived in 
>> Manchester to find their only train home at 12.30am was cancelled- only time 
>> i smiled all night
>> So desperate times indeed,  somehow,  from somewhere we need at least 5 pts 
>> from our next 3 games or we are down I reckon 
>> The fun times under Bielsa feel a long time ago Dave
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Forest

[Neil Hackett]

Agree that Ayling is a big worry. I love him but he is being targeted.

For about a month teams have been sending a diagonal ball over him knowing the 
winger will beat him to it.

It also appeared on TV that Forest were happy for him to receive the ball as we 
passed out from the back; once he received a pass they closed quickly and he 
was turning it over a lot.

Both wingers were very good, not sure Gnonto has a way back into the starting 
line up yet.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick 

Sent: April 5, 2023 5:28 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Fwd: Forest

Agree with both of these…

I think we’ve seen 2 of the 3 that will go down at ER recently - Southampton 
and Forest - hard to pick who was worse.

Most impressed yesterday with McKennie - he was throwing those challenges in 
and using the ball well. Harrison and Sinisterra (and Gnonto, and Sommerville) 
using the width of the park, just demonstrate what a nonsense Marsch’s narrow 
formation was.

Ayling had a shocking first half against a poor strike force - its a worry.

Bamford is doing that infuriating thing he - fluffs chances, both for himself 
and also when he has the ball and teammates in good positions - but, the way he 
works the central defenders and pulls them all over the shop is second to none. 
I did think that Rodrigo should have come on for him after 65 or so, to rest up 
Bamford and let our leading scorer have a go at such a weak defence.

Looking forward to seeing Wober back soon, too.

3 points at the w/e and the world looks very different.

Nick

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
> Date: 5 April 2023 at 10:13:34 BST
> To: leeds list 
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
>
> When the first message on my WhatsApp this morning is from my son saying " 
> spring in my step and a song in my heart" you know all is right with the 
> world for a bit because Leeds have won
> It was a comfortable  victory really against a team who offered very little.  
> If we are looking for 3 teams worse than us, forest have to be one.
> Pre match stats had us worried- they had only scored 4 all season  we had won 
> every game when we started in the bottom 3 - cue them winning and scoring 5 
> goals inc a worldie from someone who has not scored for 3 years
> Thankfully that did not happen ( although their goal was his first in the 
> Prem)
> I agree with what Rich has written below.
> We struggled a bit to start with - they hit the post from a corner then 
> carved us open,  what was Ayling and then Sinisterra doing? However we dug in 
> , the crowd stayed behind the team ( as Rich says it included a good tribute 
> ) and there was an air of confidence around ER .
> Our goals were good,  lovely move ended with Mckennie shovelling a pass to 
> Roca, his shot was parried to the lively Harrison who lashed home.  Then just 
> before half time Sinisterra danced his way through tying a defender in knots 
> before curling in a beauty.
> Second half we continued to dominate and were first to everything.  Roca 
> having a stormer,  like many I have wondered about him   but last night he 
> was excellent , as was the much maligned Firpo who linked up well with 
> Sinisterra but also made one brilliant goal saving tackle. Sinisterra showed 
> what we have been missing, coming very close with another curling effort,  
> and everyone else played their part. Struik looked commanding at the back, 
> Harrison was  at his best and Bamford worked his socks off.
> A great victory and with  Bournemouth and Leicester losing a quick glance at 
> the table puts a smile on  your face - 13th. A closer look is not so great,  
> just 2 points above the relegation line, but last night was job done for the 
> first bit , now we need to build on it by beating Palace on Sunday.
> Under Marsch we looked like a team going down, under Javi we look like a team 
> with a fighting chance of staying up. It is our hands .
> Dave
>On Wednesday, 5 April 2023 at 09:41:41 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
>
> "The scabs are going down" sang the South Stand and yes they most definitely 
> are. This game reminded me of playing against a lower championship league 
> team, in that we had so much space all over the park and created chance after 
> chance after chance. Sini and Jack looked resembled Messi as they danced 
> their way past the Forest players and in midfield, Roca and Mckennie had the 
> freedom of the park. It still didn't stop us going behind and then nearly 
> conceding a 2nd in the opening 15 minutes. "How shit must you be, we're 
> winning away" sang the scabs. Ayling looks vulnerable against a pacey Forest 
> winger and ti was no surprise that from one of their breaks down the left the 
> ball was passed to an unmarked player who slotted home with ease. Stunned 
> silence and I thought it could be a long night.
> But to our credit, and Forest's inpetness we came back strong and st

Re: [LU] Scum

[Neil Hackett]

A very enjoyable game.

I'm going to really enjoy watching Adams and Mckennie play together. They are 
going to be a nightmare to play against. It's not very often we have a stronger 
midfield than scum.

Thought Bamford was ok. He does look like someone who has not played much 
recently. But, he laid on the first goal and almost made a second for Willie.

Harrison was wasteful. He found all kinds of space but could not make his 
passes.

We played a good team, on the road and gave a good account. If we can maintain 
that level of play we will soon be safe.

I don't know how much Fred cost but Adams is much better than him.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Mark Tuffey 

Sent: February 9, 2023 11:10 AM
To: Leeds List ; Richard Walker 
Subject: Re: [LU] Scum

What a magnificent team performance given the situation. I thought the game 
completely changed during a three minute period when both Adams and then 
Mckennie got yellow cards. This basically neutered their aggression which up 
until that point had the SCUM midfield shaking in their boots. From that point 
forth Adams and McKennie had to be concerned about staying on the pitch and 
this allowed SCUM more time on the ball and created fewer turnovers for us to 
transition with.
Hopefully the "Bash Brothers" can repeat their performance on Sunday, as it 
didn't look like Fernandez, Fred and Sabitzer liked it "up 'em".

Cheers
Wiscoleeds




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Re: [LU] Tonight etc

[Neil Hackett]

Two points I suppose.

The players look like they still want to be playing for Marsch. They are still 
working very hard.

Moyes must be under even more pressure. They have spent a lot of money and are 
really struggling. Their new striker has 2 goals. No one is fully sold on 
Rodrigo and he has 9.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: January 4, 2023 1:46 PM
To: Richard Walker ; MATTHEW GAYNOR 
; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 

Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight etc

I didn't see the interview.
But common sense says a guy complaining about stress in any job will not last.
If you are plowing millions in a venture, would you keep a CEO who has this 
kind of a doubt over him?
And in the present situation, if the TO is not immediate, how do we replace him 
if he stumbles?

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 6:24:02 PM
To: MATTHEW GAYNOR ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 

Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight etc

I think Marsch has aged in the short time he has been at the club. He looks 
really stressed.
On Wednesday, 4 January 2023 at 15:55:09 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 Lots of debate re whether tonight is a must win? For Marsch it certainly is - 
in his last press conference he looked twitchy, nervous and stressed to the max 
- his beliefs in his tactics must be hanging on a thread - without a win 
tonight, he might just crack. Much as I despair of his tactics and verbal 
diarrhoea, I did feel for him - not nice seeing him like that tbh. For the 
club, obviously there still are plenty of games left should we lose, but the 
mood in the ground would be toxic so again, it is a must win, even though it 
may be yet another false-dawn!

A line from It’s a mad, mad, mad world pretty much covers it “No matter how we 
figure it, we still can’t figure it!”

Praying for 3 points!


> On 4 Jan 2023, at 15:40, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
>
> On the plus side since the point Marsch looked certain to be sacked we've 
> taken 7 points from 5 games which was a brutal run of Liverpool / Bournemouth 
> / Spurs / City / Newcastle and now it gets easier
>
>
> On the flipside i have no idea how we did that and havent seen any real 
> change in the tactics in the friendlies or the 2 games back - so dont feel 
> over confident going forward.  It still feels like we are relying on 3 teams 
> being worse than us, more than us playing our way out of trouble.
>
> Ironically for a team that Marsch wants to play narrow - with the emergence 
> of Gnonto and Summerville we now have more wingers than ever.
>
> Matt
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "nattan--- via Leedslist" 
> To: "leeds list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 12:18
> Subject: [LU] Tonight etc
>
> The results all went our way last night with Everton, Bournemouth and 
> Leicester all losing.The table is looking like 2 halves with villa in 13th on 
> 21 looking safe as are all those above them Then Leicester on 17 and us on 16 
> pts.
> Makes tonight massive - a win puts us to the top of the bottom half ( if that 
> makes sense) and puts a lot of teams plus a few points between us and the 
> drop.
> A defeat and we stay firmly in the relegation fight and it makes our hard won 
> / lucky point at Newcastle almost worthless,  we need to build on decent 
> results.
> We also need to start beating the bad teams beginning tonight,  and then 
> getting points in the next half dozen games which are mainly winnable.
> A win also means we can try for a cup run starting on Sunday but a defeat may 
> mean treating the cup as an  unwelcome sideshow and mean putting out a 
> reserve side
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Last 7 games

[Neil Hackett]

I find myself in agreement with everyone else. We need to change.

I really wanted this to work. I like some of the ideas, and at times it looks 
like they could work.

But not anymore. Having lost two games like that we need to move on.  I can’t 
see where a win comes from.

In terms of recruitment, I know we need more players but, Aaronson, Adams and 
Sini might be our best three players so far.



> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:29 AM, Nick  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what to say any more. The precipitous descent from the joy of 
> watching football under Bielsa to this type of ham-fisted display, with no 
> hope, little fight or belief, without even the basics of playing football - 
> ball-control, good passing and movement, marking, tracking and tackling of 
> opponents - is really disheartening to see.
> 
> Just a case in point - Jack Harrison - when we first signed him on loan he 
> was lightweight, flashes of brilliance but seriously under-delivering and 
> very much a “confidence player”…built up and believed in, he became one of 
> the top deliverers of chances (plus a few goals) in the league, from the 
> left-wing - we fend off Newcastle’s bid, for what? to ruin his impact by 
> playing him through the middle and/or down the right. Nonsense.
> 
> I’m not really one for chasing managers out - although I do remember singing 
> “Wilko its time to go” back in the day - but it seems pretty clear to me that 
> a) JM is out of his depth, and b) our survival last year was at least as much 
> down to the brilliance of Raphinha rescuing games for us (with cameos from 
> Joffy etc) as it was down to the coaching team.
> 
> Hope disappeared yesterday the minute they equalised - I mean who could know 
> that marking their big bastard of a centre forward and not allowing a free 
> header 6 yards out from a corner, was a good idea… - and we never looked like 
> getting it back. Fulham were tidy, but nowhere near unbeatable - same for 
> Leicester, really. They just went round us or through us, when they wanted to.
> 
> Being a Leeds fan - we had a few glorious years when a different reality was 
> shown to be possible, but now we’re back to earth with a thump - stings 
> dunnit?
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Ted 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games
>> Date: 23 October 2022 at 22:38:42 BST
>> To: John Lee 
>> Cc: leedslist 
>> 
>> Agree totally John. Get rid now.
>> 
>> Ted H
>> 
>>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, 22:37 John Lee via Leedslist, 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The question that should be asked is if he stays what does he have to
>>> offer that will change what is happening? I don’t see him affecting things
>>> positively full stop!
>>> 
>>> Get rid asap, not because he’s American , or because his cliched jargonise
>>> is very annoying, but because he cannot organise a football team and stop
>>> them losing!
>>> 
>>> There is so much of the season left to give a new manager time to reverse
>>> the slide, but if they piss about until Xmas it may be too late?
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

[Neil Hackett]

I think I am going to have to agree with most of this. Like everyone else I 
wanted things to continue to work out for Bielsa, but they are not working at 
all. What he has done is genuinely incredible, but it's a disaster right now. 
Bielsa always made us difficult to play against,  it's ridiculously easy at the 
moment. I am not sure if he was unable or unwilling to institute and effective 
defence. We need to start grinding out results to stay up. If we are relegated 
all of those players listed will leave, at a fraction of their value.

I don't know much about the new guy, but we needed someone new. I had hoped we 
could scrape by this year and replace him with someone with Premier league 
experience. This decision took a lot of courage, hopefully it works out.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: February 27, 2022 8:24 AM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

Life around LUFC is going to be toxic for the rest of the season, and no-one 
knows whether we’ll survive in the Premiership side. I’ve shed tears since 
hearing the news last night - we have never and will never have a manager who 
so thoroughly transforms a club, from the pitch, it’s mentality, it’s public 
‘persona’, the sheer exuberance - Marcelo was a genuine one-off. Yet despite 
all of that, I’m still of the opinion the board had to act. Yes, they may well 
have been eyeing the pound signs, and they had clearly lined up Jesse Marsch 
from the summer onwards, but Marcelo was so set in his ways that if change is 
required then a parting of the ways was the only outcome. Right up to the post 
Spurs post-match interview, Bielsa was still insisting his way is THE way, 
despite the evidence suggesting otherwise?

I don’t necessarily think the list of players Nick listed will all leave, but 
if they do then hopefully they will demonstrate their value on the pitch in the 
next 12 games. I don’t subscribe to lots of fan views that the players have let 
the club down - many simply arn’t good enough, and the man-to-man approach 
against the best Premiership players has been humiliating to watch. I do wonder 
how the Bielsa way has impacted regarding our injury list though - it is 
logical that it has to be partly responsible.

I also wonder if any players were consulted in this decision? Obviously we may 
never find out, but I’d be amazed if senior players hadn’t been asked for their 
views?

There’ll be more tears shed in chez Lee, but let’s remember the mantra

SIDE BEFORE SELF

MOT!


Sent from my iPad

> On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:15, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk"  
> wrote:
>
> This is day that sealed the departure on Kalvin, Raphinha, Meslier, Struijk, 
> Bamford, probably Rodrigo, Koch and Gelhardt.
>
> That level-headed enough for you?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:11, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>>
>> Guys, let us be clear-headed.
>> Marcelo, the man, is one thing. But as to our nigh on the moribund state -- 
>> was he part of the problem or part of the solution? No one knows-so why 
>> gamble?
>> It took courage to hire him and the same courage to fire him.
>> We need to accept the decision and move forward.
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ted
>> Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2022 14:01
>> To: Robert Heath 
>> Cc: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone
>>
>> I'm absolutely gutted.
>> Not only a shameful decision by Radrizzani but a wrong one in my opinion.
>>
>> I loved everything about Bielsa - we'll never see the like of him again.
>> These last 3 to 4 years has been brilliant, it just won't be the same.
>>
>> I'm seriously thinking of jacking it in.
>>
>> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Wolves are animals!

[Neil Hackett]

It’s funny how perspective works Robert.

I look at that line up and don’t like it at all.

I don’t see how we get the ball to Bamford in good spots.

Struijk looks to me like he may be a solid defender one day. I don’t think he 
is up for where he is playing today.

I hope to be wrong! Talk in two hours.

Neil

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> On Feb 19, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> "Wolves are animals!" someone behind me once cried at Molineux after some
> clogger had chopped one of our innocent chaps like Johnny Giles or Allan
> Clarke down for the 5th time.
> 
> Soamazingly, bielsa has made a very rare unforced change and
> picked Roberts over Alioski. I am very happy about that lineup, now let's
> see what plans Bielsa has made to allow us to get the ball out from the
> back.
> 
> I always feel we still owe Wolves after they and the FA combined to rob us
> of The Double in 1972.
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Re: [LU] Blades

[Neil Hackett]

I agree with most of this.

Thought Koch had a very good game, he was good at the end when they were 
playing longball.

Rodrigo is active and positive.

An excellent game for Bamford and Meslier.

Poveda worked very hard but I'm not sure he accomplished much.

I was concerned when Kalvin picked up an early booking, but he was good. He 
covered a lot of ground.

A great result, if we keep picking up wins against bottom half teams we should 
stay up with comfort.



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Subject: [LU] Blades

Tough, tight game which could have gone eiher way. They had the best chances 
but our keeper made 2 world class saves.
Overall, I thought we just edged it with some great attacking play in the 2nd 
half.

Miesler - 9. Superb saves. I worry a bit when he sticks to his line for corners.
Ayling - 7. Some good play including a good shot but he got caught out a couple 
of times, once when his ridiculous fall over act didn't buy a free kick from 
the ref.
Dallas - 8. Strong running, created some good chances. Obviously not a left 
back and their best chances came down their right / our left.
Koch - 9. Very commanding. Looks the part. Ben who ?
Cooper - 7. Battled hard but the way he defends for corners will cost us a few 
penalties.
Phillips - 7. Low key, did the simple things well and one decent free kick. I 
think we leave a lot of space in our midfield at times.
Klich - 7. Lots of running as usual. Not as effective going forward.
Harrison - 8. Great second half. His crossing is improving.
Roberts - 3. Didn't deliver. Looks lacklustre.
Costa - 6. Worked hard but didn't really happen for him.
Bamford - 8. Great goal, worked hard.
Subs:
Rodrigo - I thought he changed the game. He looks like a good player which is 
good to see cos I'd not seen anything to date.
Poveda - terrorised them. Will he start against City as Harrison can't play.



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Re: [LU] Liverpool musings

[Neil Hackett]

I agree with many of the points raised by others and also feel optimism.



  *   We were able to play the way we wanted. We were fast but did not spend 
the whole time chasing,
  *   We were able to create many turnovers. We were playing one of the best 
teams in the world but we disrupted them.
  *   We struggled last year against teams that sat back and soaked up 
pressure, but how many teams are going to do that?
  *   The Bamford goal could get him rolling.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: September 14, 2020 6:23 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Liverpool musings

Having watched the game a couple of times now, I wonder how many other managers 
will now be thinking ‘how can we overload Liverpool’s defence like that?’. I’d 
have had Van Dijk down as one of the Prem’s best defenders, but after that 
performance, I’m not so sure - he doesn’t like it up him Capt Mannering!

As I’ve just quipped to a Liverpool wise-ass, they’re just an expensive 
Sheffield United, scoring from dead-balls and penalties :-) I much prefer to 
see goals from open play - as I told him, we might have lost, but we won! 
Klich’s goal in particular was a gem.

Bielsa - I’ve watched a few times, and he didn’t look like he fancied spending 
any more time than he had to with Klopp. Of course Bielsa might be of the view 
that there’s a virus out there, and wants to stay safe, but he definitely 
exuded a ‘yeah, whatever’ body language. He also looked bloody angry!

There were the same tired mantras re ‘can they keep it up all season?’, but we 
know the answer to that, and in a smaller league and 2 players per position 
we’ll be fine. I expect a very different team against ‘Ull tomorrow - it’ll be 
interesting to see if Rodrigo plays? Normally I wouldn’t be too bothered about 
getting knocked out, but not against Hull!

Fulham on Satdi will be a test - they know what to expect, and were a bit of a 
bogey team, but we need the points.

Isn’t it strange how a defeat has put us all at ease? That might change if we 
drop points against Fulham and the Blades!


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Re: [LU] Yes yes yes

[Neil Hackett]

I agree Richard. Dave and old the other match reporters have been vital to 
those of us who have hardly seen any matches in the last 16 years.

Enjoy it everyone.

Can I be the first to introduce our new signing JKA!

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> On Jul 17, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Nice one Dave.  It's most for you lads who've followed the team, paid your 
> money, early mornings late nights, dark days.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:32:55 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Yes yes yes
> 
> Says it all
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Re: [LU] Bielsa

[Neil Hackett]

FFS

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> On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Twitter alive and Phil Hay adding speculation. 
> He's gonna fooking resign. 
>On Wednesday, 16 January 2019, 15:26:03 GMT, Jim Moran 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I enjoyed it while it lasted.
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 15:16, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bielsa has called a press conference at 5pm 
> 
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Re: [LU] Kids

[Neil Hackett]

Joined around 1999.

Now have a 12 year old boy. I tried him at football but he prefers rugby, and 
is a solid scrum half. No real interest in Leeds.

And an 11 year old girl. A good centre mid but she much prefers, and does 
better at (ice hockey).
My God we are all old.

Just to aggravate you all...

I watched the second half of the Swansea game and thought we did well. We 
forced them into countless turnovers. That is how you score against an 
organized team.

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> On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Øystein Bjøndal Lund  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Is it really that long time ago? 
> 
> Put in other words; am I really that old? 
> 
> Unfortunately, yes. It also means we have been out of the top flight for a 
> man-age or something …
> 
> 
> 
> I joined the list “a few days” (it must have been) after the t-shirt… at the 
> time of vax.ox something. My company had the email system on a mainframe the 
> time as well, and how I found the list I have no idea.
> 
> Some of the highlights include walking around studying the Yorkshire house 
> architecture with Betty, on our way to a Leeds ladies game, mind. We 
> eventually got there, as well, to see some of it. 
> 
> And there were this ascii map (look it up!) to go from Derby train station to 
> my first ever list meet at Brunswick (how come I still remember these things, 
> my oldest son was transported in a buggy - was seated on my lap - and at 
> Elland Road some days later he was not allowed to the lap, or at lest had to 
> buy a seat for him, that he could not use, was too little…)
> 
> There are a plenty full of more highlights, and even more memories… 
> 
> This son, Torleif, came on a tour with me to see us vs Luton together with 27 
> 136 others, March 2007, he was then 11… Meaning we were already on our way 
> down at the time. Also meaning he is now 22, and couldn’t care less about 
> football nor Leeds United. He is only member of the LUSC of Scandinavia 
> because I pay, and did in all these years… 
> 
> His 3 years younger brother, is also still a LUSCOS member for the same 
> reason, but he even never wanted to come over with me to attend a game (!)… 
> 
> Neither of them are interested in any footy side, not in any footy 
> competition, etc. I wonder where did I go wrong? (At least they don’t support 
> the foe)
> 
> I have been over from time to time, but not as frequent as from 1995 and the 
> more or less 10 next years…
> 
> Back to Lurk mode
> 
> Øystein
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] non LU......well, actually, that's the point......LU (ish)

[Neil]

I don’t contribute much, but I think you should stay.

That post was wonderful. If Heath’s book is as well written as your post I will 
buy it.

It was not nice, but it was funny as hell.

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On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:59 AM, E Walsh 
mailto:ejwa...@indigo.ie>> wrote:

Personally I think you should stay.
I enjoy your comments.
Ed

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Oct 2017, at 13:45, Michael Benjamin 
mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:

I don't know where this stands; I may be repeating myself but:
1. I accept all responsibility. Heath, this time, was completely innocent of 
any wrongdoings.  He should definitely not be banned.
2. Suffice to say; I had no idea he had written a book. I thought it was 
(another) dig at me. I was wrong and deserve banning.
3. TBF, as much as I intensely dislike Heath, I wish his forage into writing 
every success. Yes, you should read his book and give feedback.
4. So, I wander off into the horizon knowing my last act was much to do about 
nothing and extremely bizarre even by my exacting standards. But by God, I did 
it great 😊
All the best to all of you. MOT, but without me.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Thorpe [mailto:jezz.tho...@zen.co.uk]
Sent: 27 October 2017 15:12
To: 'Richard Walker' mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>; 
'Peter Castlehouse' mailto:dubca...@iinet.net.au>>; 
Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>; 'Rob Heath' 
mailto:rhe...@hkis.edu.hk>>
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: RE: [LU] non LU..well, actually, that's the point..LU (ish)

I second getting them back on. From the initial flame through all Dr Mikes 
responses, bloody hilarious. Fabulous cheap entertainment.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 07:59
To: Peter Castlehouse; 'Michael Benjamin'; 'Rob Heath'
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] non LU..well, actually, that's the point..LU (ish)

throwing people off the list even for Non-LU posts ?
Most entertaining posts for a while from Mad MIke IMO. Get them back on.
From: Peter Castlehouse 
mailto:dubca...@iinet.net.au>>
To: 'Michael Benjamin' mailto:m...@myray.com>>; 'Rob Heath' 
mailto:rhe...@hkis.edu.hk>>
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017, 7:18
Subject: Re: [LU] non LU..well, actually, that's the poi

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Re: [LU] NonLU: Radiohead

[Neil]

Rubbish, if it's the song about witches.

I hope the rest is better.

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> On May 11, 2016, at 3:49 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what do people think of Radiohead's new album ?
> 
> Must admit I've only heard one tune so far and that was enough for me.
> 
> Bloody awful.
> 
> Genius or prententious rubbish ?
> 
> http://youtu.be/TTAU7lLDZYU
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Wootton

[Neil]

It's funny at times.

I was watching the game in a stream. I was wondering what was so bad about 
Wootton, then, such a silly predictable foul.

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> On Aug 13, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Jonathan Wynne  
> wrote:
> 
> Wootton should never play for us again. Conference level player at best.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2015, at 20:16, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> OK, he's shit.
>> 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>  Original Message  
>> From: Richard walker
>> Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:14
>> To: Brendan Osborne
>> Cc: Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Wootton
>> 
>> He's actually done ok last 10 mins but Deffo not a winger.
>> 
>> Watching Wooton strolling around though is making me angry.
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2015, at 20:05, Brendan Osborne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How bad is Doukara? He's like a poor man's Carlton Palmer. 
>>> 
>>> Still, happy with the lead.
>>> 
>>> Ossie 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Samsung Mobile on O2
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Richard walker
>>> Date:13/08/2015 20:01 (GMT+00:00)
>>> To: nat...@sky.com
>>> Cc: Leeds List
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Wootton
>>> 
>>> It's fucking ridiculous Dave, I think Wooton is playing as a sweeper and 
>>> Doukara at right wing is equally bad.
>>> 
>>> Still 1-0 and a first for Cook.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 13 Aug 2015, at 19:30, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
 
 Uwe may have just gone down a bit in my estimation !Looks like Wootton is 
 starting in midfield ! He was poor enough in the 5mins on Saturday to 
 suggest it is NOT a good idea.
 Why not give Sloth a run out ? I know he wants to leave , this would be 
 his chance in the 'shop window' - or failing that let Phillips start a 
 game.
 Of course I will take it back if it is some strange formation I have not 
 thought of yet ?
 Turnbull, Berardi, Bamba, Cooper TaylorWooton, Cook, MowattDallas 
 Antenucci Doukara
 
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Re: [LU] How many foreigners is too many ?

[Neil]

How much do players earn in lower leagues around Europe?
Probably not much. Less than in England.

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> On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:05 PM, "Jim Moran"  wrote:
> 
> Not that I really care that much, but it's no wonder that England struggle.
> 
> Can you imagine a struggling Serie B side full of journeymen English
> players, and a handful of Italians? Or any respectable 2nd tier in any
> country for that matter? How many English players now play overseas? ONE.
> Fraser Forster in the highly competitive Scottish Premier. Ashley Cole at
> Roma doesn't even count anymore.
> 
> 
> On 22 July 2014 16:57, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
>>> At what stage is Cellino going to say that we have enough foreign imports
>>> especially from the same foreign  country (Italy)
>> 
>> I think it's a tricky one, if they are the best in the position/for the
>> team
>> then doesn't matter where they come from (other than Manchester obviously)
>> .
>> I suspect a few of the players won't make the grade and we'll be left with
>> a
>> 3 or 4 by January.   It's likely that the better ones (Silvestre & Viviani)
>> will see Leeds as a stepping stone to the premiership (assuming we don't
>> get
>> promoted) and that Cellino will expect to make money on them.  The fact
>> their English will be poor shouldn't be a problem our best ever team was
>> full of sweaties and spudlovers who could hardly string 2 words of English
>> together ;0
>> 
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Re: [LU] Nil two 15 mins

[Neil]

I have not seen very much this year. It has just been another wasted year. 
However, that was really disappointing, and i was fully prepared to be 
disappointed. 

They really look poorly coached. You can't coach talent but you can coach 
structure. Well prepared teams are always strong off the ball. Today it looked 
like we had never played together. Players were always poor spaced, too close 
together or too far apart.

My God you people who pay to watch that have my respect.

We are going to get an inexperienced manager in over his head I think. A change 
from an experienced manger in over his head.

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> On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:11 PM, "Ian Murray"  wrote:
> 
> I'd actually be angry if McDermott was in charge of us next game.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2014, at 2:05, "Jim Moran"  wrote:
>> 
>> No doubt you've all seen it. Match report:
>> 
>> Dogshit. 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2014, at 18:58, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dogshite. Never mind Moyes getting sacked, he has over achieved compared to 
>>> BMD this season.
>>> 
 On 21 Apr 2014, at 17:44, Matt Anderson  wrote:
 
 Difficult lead to defend that
 
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> On 21 Apr 2014, at 17:32, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Nil Two fifteen mins
> 
> 
> Sent in great haste from a mobile phone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: John Boocock  
> Date: 21/04/2014  17:19  (GMT+00:00) 
> To: Leeds List Post  
> Subject: [LU] Nil One 90 seconds 
> 
> WTF!
> 
> 
> Sent in great haste from a mobile phone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: seanscr...@aol.com 
> Date: 21/04/2014  16:07  (GMT+00:00) 
> To: tedhea...@gmail.com,leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Moyes 
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> I've been torn between wanting them to get hammered every week and 
> wanting them to keep stumbling along with the odd decent result to save 
> him from the sack and prevent them from hiring an effective manager.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ted 
> To: leedslist 
> Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 10:34 am
> Subject: [LU]  Moyes
> 
> 
> Sky, Broadsheets and Twitter all reporting that scum board have lost
> patience and Moyes to be sacked.
> 
> Not sure that's a good thing, he was leading them to mediocrity.
> 
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Non LU iPhones

[Neil Hackett]

This is my experience too. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:10 AM, "Richard Walker"  wrote:
> 
> Yeah done it both - no problems. Looks a bit different and you can manage 
> your apps a bit easier, but no major differences to me. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 31 October 2013, 12:31, Nigel Barber  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't do it on an iPhone 4. My dad did and has been regretting it ever
> since. The phone doesn't have the power.
> 
> The iPad 2 should be OK, as it has the same internals as the iPad Mini,
> which is running iOS 7 fine here.
> 
> Note that iOS 7 is really designed for a retina display, and it's a bit of
> an aesthetic horror show. Not Apple's finest hour.
> 
> 
> Nigel.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 October 2013 11:03, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody on here got an iphone 4 or ipad 2 and upgraded it to ios7.
>> 
>> It's downloaded OTA but not installed and its taking up 3gb of space and
>> can't be removed.
>> 
>> Internet forums full of people crying foul over slow performance and
>> ruining phone. As they are probably just apple haters can't really rely on
>> their opinions.
>> 
>> Anyone here done it? Has it made a difference??
>> 
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Re: [LU] Leics a few thoughts

[Neil Hackett]

Saw the second half only, on an internet stream! Still here is what I saw.
 
A very well organized team. We defended set pieces very well and were difficult 
to break down once we got back and had the defence set up.
 
If we can keep this up we will be difficult to beat.
 
If Poleon and the big lad had started we very well could have scored. Playing a 
big striker with a fast striker is not exactly a new idea.
 
Poleon tries to make things happen. They don't always work nut at least he 
tries. I get tired of watching players in good positions just pass the ball 
back. Drop your shoulder and get in the box!
 
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 05:43:25 -0700
> From: arm...@yahoo.com
> To: nat...@sky.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Leics a few thoughts
> 
> Smith's header back across that got cleared off the line by a defender was 
> pretty good and he nearly scored at the end and then there was his lay back 
> for Murphy last week. So considering the time he has played pretty damn good.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "nat...@sky.com" 
> To: leeds list  
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Leics a few thoughts
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rich N said
>   Lets give Murphy a little
> time before writing him off, its a step up for him and lots of people
> think he has potential.
> 
> Totally agree Rich - patience is going to be the key to this season. We have 
> a lot of bad habits to get out of both on and off the pitch. We need to back 
> McDermott and the players and get behind them. As I have said on numerous 
> occasions since we dropped out of the top Division, these players are at the 
> level they are for a reason. All of them have faults - sometimes major ones - 
> whether it be a lack of pace, control , vision or consistency. If you 
> concentrate on what a player cannot do it is easy to pick fault with them and 
> slag them off but if you change your attitude and concentrate on what they do 
> well then your whole outlook changes
> 
> Of course the jury is still out on Murphy - he has come to a massive club 
> (especailly compared to Crewe) and has stepped up a Division. and has a big 
> price tag (something that has held back some of the best players). He is also 
> getting used to his new team mates and the new way of playing. Lets make up 
> our minds about him at the end of the season. The same with Smith who is very 
> inexperienced (having come to football late) and is stepping up in class - 
> concentrate on his lack of pace and you can label him a donkey (and no doubt 
> some fans will) -look at his ability in the air and the goals which will come 
> from that and he can become a hero. 
> 
> So far Hunt has done nothing of note but Brian Mc likes him and so we need to 
> back him too.
> 
> We have had a lot of pretty poor players and teams in the last 10 seasons or 
> so and not much to cheer us up off the pitch - being hated by our owner and 
> his cronies, and being treated badly. 
> Lets all now take a chill pill and get behind the lads - yes, they will make 
> mistakes and have poor games, yes, some of them have glaring deficiencies in 
> their game and yes, we will,no doubt, have some poor results BUT for the 
> first time in a long time we seem to be going in the right direction so as 
> long as they give it 100% on the pitch and in training then that should be 
> enough for us to get behind the team and cheer them on.
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: [LU] back to footie...

[Neil Hackett]

"something tells me no-one
> has the slightest idea."
 
This seems to describe everything about our club.

 

> From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:03:08 +0100
> Subject: [LU] back to footie...
> 
> Di Matteo is now the hot favourite (11/10) after his namesake Dom held that
> position yesterday and McDermott the day before - something tells me no-one
> has the slightest idea.
> 
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Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...

[Neil Hackett]

I can't remember if that happened. I just remember feeling down. I have just 
remembered us getting killed by Leicester, and Paul Dickov looking like Alan 
Shearer.
 
 
 

> CC: andy.kne...@jpmchase.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:17:20 +
> To: nhacks...@hotmail.com
> 
> Didn't he take burns off after 30 mins. El tel also liked to line up with 
> Mcphail in midfield on his own whilst Batty was at home playing in his 
> caravan.
> 
> El Tel has to be the biggest fraud in football. Clueless.
> 
> On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:25, Neil Hackett  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I can remember watching a game where we played Spurs with Burns and Okon as 
> > the midfield partenership. I am sure you all had moments when you realized 
> > we were well and trouble done for. This game was mine. It was pitiful.
> > 
> > 
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Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...

[Neil Hackett]

I can remember watching a game where we played Spurs with Burns and Okon as the 
midfield partenership. I am sure you all had moments when you realized we were 
well and trouble done for. This game was mine. It was pitiful.
 

> From: andy.kne...@jpmchase.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:17:11 +
> Subject: Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...
> 
> I'll see your Eirik Bakke and raise you a Jacob Burns.
> 
> Gaffer
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...

[Neil Hackett]

Eirek bakke?
 

> From: jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com
> To: andy.kne...@jpmchase.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:52:58 +
> Subject: Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...
> 
> 
> Hmm, Gregan or Okon? Who was worst? Okon was a charlatan. Wasn't he Tel's 
> second signing - or first? Barmby was the other? 
> 
> Who was the other one Rich used to hate? (I'm not saying he was wrong) Butler?
> 
> Rich's all time dream 11 (in the list era, not of all time)???
> 
> 
> Fat Boy Robinson
> 
> ? -- Gregan? -- Butler -- Harte 
> 
> ? -- Okon -- Gregan? (he's sooo versatile) -- McPhail
> 
> Viduka -- Becchio
> 
> 
> Subs? Basically anyone slow.
> 
> 
> Oh for the days of Pierre Laurent...
> 
> 
> 
> > From: andy.kne...@jpmchase.com
> > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:52:37 +
> > Subject: Re: [LU] keeps on getting worse...
> > 
> > > Sean Gregan
> > 
> > Argh!! What a horrible reminder. Shouting and pointing - midfield general 
> > mein Arsch.
> > 
> > Gaffer
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [LU] Hello!

[Neil Hackett]

39 you old farts.
 
> From: gil...@ualberta.ca
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:25:41 -0700
> To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hello!
> 
> Oy,
> 
> Not the only one under 40 on list. :)
> 
> I'm 25--discovered Leeds from the cold, northern wastes of Canada the
> year they played Valencia in the Champions League semi. Been all
> downhill ever since.
> 
> *goes back to lurking*
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013-01-24, at 12:06, Jeremy Adams  wrote:
> 
> >
> > If you're talking about the recent relegation from the premier league you 
> > must be the only person under 40 on this list? Welcome, but shouldn't you 
> > be twittering and foursquaring?Now you should list your fave curry houses, 
> > ask Nif about his camels, tell Rich Walker how much you admire Becchio and 
> > hope he doesn't leave in the window, ask John Boocock if he's heard from 
> > Bob Stokoe yet and tell Nigel Barber how much you despised maggie Thatcher.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:48:41 -0800
> >> From: franks...@ymail.com
> >> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> >> Subject: [LU]  Hello!
> >>
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I'm Lee. Leeds born and bred. Supported United since I was 15 (year they 
> >> went down) when I just started getting into football and have watched them 
> >> suffer under the bates regime since. I'm as die hard as they come though, 
> >> N11 singing loud and proud.
> >>
> >> Thought I would introduce myself! Mr Gillen invited me to your group and I 
> >> look forward to discussing all things great about Leeds.
> >>
> >> MOT
> >>
> >>
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Re: [LU] white out

[Neil Hackett]

I just figured Aidan was injured.
 

> From: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:36:02 +
> To: arm...@yahoo.com
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> Subject: Re: [LU] white out
> 
>  had 12 inches last night in Michigan
> 
> That's enough about your sexual exploits. What about the weather?
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Re: [LU] LU: Insider Info?

[Neil Hackett]

This is too cruel. I was excited, then I gave up on it.
Now I am excited again.
We do seem to be spending real money and perhaps that is the best indicator 
that it is not really Bates' money anymore.
 
> To: steve.gil...@ntlworld.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
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> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:52:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Insider Info?
> 
> Dave Dowden can confirm this.
> 
> Sent from my HTC
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Re: [LU] TOMA

[Neil Hackett]

Aaron Lennon?  Robbie Keane?
 
> To: m...@myray.com; errand.fivef...@talk21.com
> From: seanscr...@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:34:51 -0400
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] TOMA
> 
> Denis Irwin? Rio Ferdinand? James Milner?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dr Michael Benjamin 
> To: Errand Fivefold 
> Cc: Leeds United E-MailList 
> Sent: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:01 am
> Subject: Re: [LU] TOMA
> 
> 
> It'll happen.
> 
> Watching the antics if White & Snodgrass. Both of whom are over rated IMO.
> I would remind them that only two Leeds players have ever done better by
> leaving. Cantano & Charles.
> Apart from that I cannot recall one player that fulfilled his promise and I
> can think of many that  never did. Leaving Leeds is generally a curse.
> 
> I am now the Bates of our team. I'll make a small speach before the first
> game...
> 
> If you're not filled with pride by putting on the shirt then don't put it
> > on. if you are not prepared to die on the pitch for that shirt then don't
> > go on the pitch. Show me  11 guys with belief and I'll show you contenders.
> > I'll show you the champions.  11 guys who will fight till the end for each
> > other  -- they are the champions...
> 
> 
> That's what I want -- no fucking Jessie doing me a favor.
> 
> Michael
> 
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> On 20 July 2012 14:18, Errand Fivefold  wrote:
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> > Well,
> >
> > feeling less confident by the minute...no sign of anything happening...
> >
> > Bugger, I woke this morning with a genuine sense of hope
> >
> > Just off to throttle my mate
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [LU] New levels of indifference

[Neil Hackett]

I agree with you Dave. We won our group. I was never impressed but we played to 
our strengths. There were several bad teams there. Does anyone ever man mark 
anymore? What if we told Parker to run around besides Pirlo all game and deny 
him the ball. He was never going to contribute going forward so there is no 
loss there. He gets a yellow then someone else takes uo the job. Please let one 
of these ownership rumours be true. 
 > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:06:31 +0100
> From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] New levels of indifference
> 
> So unbeaten in 4 games , winning 2 but we were the second worst team there 
> 
> What a load of nonsense
> We might not be great but we got to the last 8 on merit
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It pains me to say it, but Ireland were definitely the worst team in the 
> whole tournament, closely followed by England - yes, even worse than Greece. 
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Re: [LU] takeover latestish

[Neil Hackett]

Certainly all of their teams have struggled, but it is not as bad as it sounds.
 
They are not at all shy with their money, they are more than willing to spend 
on players, management and facilities. They would certainly get Thorp Arch back.
 
When they choose a manager they back them, they just don't always pick the 
right one. They are not perfect but it would provide hope, something we lack at 
the moment. The management of both the basketball and hockey team were both in 
demand before they came here, with track records of success. Both arew paid as 
well as anyone in their respective leagues. 

 

> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 05:40:07 -0700
> From: arm...@yahoo.com
> To: john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] takeover latestish
> 
> From a Canadian mate (though this may be old hat now...)
> 
> MLSE have a strong history of interfering in the daily sports operations of
> their clubs, yet they still possess all of the worst attributes of a corporate
> bureaucracy. They own four teams: the Toronto Raptors (NBA) are a perennial
> doormat and regularly cycle through coaches and losing their best players; the
> Toronto Marlies are a minor league hockey team, and although they are in the
> AHL finals this year, this is their first decent showing since 1992; the
> Toronto Maple Leafs are the most lucrative team in the NHL and have not made
> the playoffs for about 8 years, and have not won the Stanley Cup since the
> early sixties; football-wise, MLSE own Toronto FC, a team with great support
> and brand new facilities but have yet to even make the playoffs since their
> inception about five years ago; last I saw, Toronto FC were 10 games into this
> season and still winless.
> 
> In short, more Venkys than the Abu Dhabi United Group. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: John Boocock IFA 
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [LU] takeover latestish
> 
> On 29/05/2012 23:15, Richard Naef wrote:
> > the latest to be linked is some bastard hedge fund zombie called Hauptman
> > who owns something called "Chicago" Fire
> 
> I think you'r wrong lad there is only one Great Chicago Fire!  Check out:
> 
> http://totallyfuzzy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/waco-brothers-paul-burch-great-chicago.html
> 
> And then rock around the room to the title track.
> 
> 'kin takeover my rect -  Ken bates Lives! Long Live Ken Bates!
> 
> Betty
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Re: [LU] 2-1

[Neil Hackett]

As a fan of the sport I enjoyed the drama of both of the games this week. 
 
Having grown up outside of the UK I am not all that bothered about historical 
grudges from the distant past, besdies ManU. I see where they are from, but 
don't share them.
 
I was glad that Bayern won. First of all Ronaldo lost and that makes me happy. 
Also, I really like how Bayern played. A complete team game; organized, 
physical and solid without the ball yet constructive and positive with it. They 
are going to tear Chelsea a new one and if England meet Germany this summer it 
will be the same there.
 
They attack with the pace that Rich always refer to. 
 

> From: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:01:50 +0100
> To: brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] 2-1
> 
> I agree about the atmosphere, both games I have seen (AC Milan and Ath 
> Bilbao) had good sized crowds (99k and 88k respectively) and even though folk 
> were in full voice it was very quiet, I was expecting it to be better, I 
> presume that the open bowl design with a lack of roof makes the difference.
> 
> The thing that surprised me most though was the lack of alcohol in the ground.
> 
> 
> On 26 Apr 2012, at 12:26, "Brendan McWilliams" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > H, i have to disagree slightly. 
> > 
> > FCB and RM are both sides of the same coin: enormous, big histories, huge 
> > support, devour the majority of the tv rights from La Liga making it 
> > evermore uncompetitive and neither are true businesses - at least if we 
> > consider the debt they carry. 
> > 
> > I came to Spain as a neutral and in fact went to the Bernabeu 2 days after 
> > my arrival in Madid for a cup match with an entirely open mind and without 
> > prejudicenow several years later, the lesser of the two evils by any 
> > measurement is FCB. RM are tedious beyond belief. 
> > 
> > This week apart, this present FCB team and squad are the best I've seen at 
> > any time and i'd like to know of what team has ever played with style in 
> > the modern era. Their squad has been in large part developed from their 
> > youth teams and surely that is the aim of all clubs? 
> > 
> > RM on the other hand dominate EVERYTHING in Spain, you'll find more 
> > coverage regarding them on the main news (i.e. equivalent of BBC1) than 
> > you'll find on e.g. Syria, Afghanistan, you name it. Their fans are wildly 
> > disloyal and expect Harlem Globetrotter levels of performance and see 
> > conspiracies everywhere when a team has the temerity to put it up to them 
> > and shock horror beat them. 
> > 
> > The atmosphere in both grounds is usually pitiful - but that's more due to 
> > their being all seating - and if anything you'll find that in the Bernabeu 
> > the fans will quite often start whistling or booing at half time if they 
> > have not scored. 
> > 
> > The common charge that RM were "Franco's XI" is not strictly true as other 
> > teams won just as much domestically - although di Stefano mysteriously went 
> > to Madrid and not Barcelona... - but it's a charge often levelled due to 
> > their main competition at the time being Athletic Bilbao and FCB - both 
> > nationalist strongholds. 
> > 
> > Anyhow, i was disappointed that FCB were knocked out by Chelsea - a club 
> > that is the anithesis of all that football should be about and whilst i 
> > wasn't too disappointed last night when RM got knocked out, it's impossible 
> > to say anything bad about Mou this year (poking his finger in the FCB coach 
> > apart): great powerful football and CR7 is only a whisker behind Messi.
> > 
> > Mario Gomez will charge through Chelsea and Bayern should easily win it, 
> > plus it's in their stadium. 
> > 
> > 
> >> To: p...@cundell.com; wiscole...@hotmail.com
> >> From: seanscr...@aol.com
> >> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:24:04 -0400
> >> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] 2-1
> >> 
> >> Yeah, but no Leeds supporter can support Barcelona either. Whining sods, 
> >> always getting favour from the refs and UEFA. I will never forget how 
> >> somehow they managed to get FOUR MINUTES of injury time at Elland Road in 
> >> a half when the physios hadn't come on once (not to mention getting Gordon 
> >> McQueen sent off in 1975). And I can't stand how so many folks in the news 
> >> media just fawn over them, not to mention the way people all over the 
> >> world who've never been to Spain, let alone Catalonia, declare themselves 
> >> "Barcelona fans." Good riddance.
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Re: [LU] LU : Left backs

[Neil Hackett]

I always thought it was the most difficult position to fill at any level, and 
we keep burning through them.
 

> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:28:22 +0300
> From: rhe...@asd.edu.qa
> To: bone...@maltanet.net
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU : Left backs
> 
> Wow! That is very well spotted.
> 
> And all shipped out and regarded as not good enough during a period when
> our biggest problem position has been.LB!
> 
> On 18 April 2012 21:21, Guy Bonello  wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone else noted that 4 of the top 6 Championship sides have an
> > ex-Leeds left back?
> >
> > Harte
> > Harding
> > McCartney
> > Crainey
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Re: [LU] Must win

[Neil Hackett]

   I see the defence is no longer sorted.

   -- Sent from my HP TouchPad
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   On 20 Mar 2012 5:00 PM, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
   2-3 we're brilliant.
   
   From: Nicholas Armit 
   To: "m...@myray.com" ; LEEDSLIST 
   Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:59 PM
   Subject: Re: [LU] Must win
   1-3 we are shite.
   
   From: Dr Michael Benjamin 
   To: LEEDSLIST 
   Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 2:50 PM
   Subject: [LU] Must win
   I believe in luck.
   I think that you in some extent make your own luck -- but all the same
   some
   can and some cannot.
   We seem to have has only two managers that won some of the must wins .
   Wilko & O'Leary. The great Don didn't and SG was more liable to lose
   them
   than not.
   So I'm wondering tonight what will Colin do?
   Being Leeds born and bred I am sure that we'll lose, But that's got
   nothing
   to do about anything. I always think that when we have to win we don't.
   So far Colin has won one must win--  at Middlesborough. Avoided a
   mustn't
   lose with WHU -- so let's see what he does tonight.
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Re: [LU] Hammers

[Neil Hackett]

I watched it on TV and was very satisfied. The team worked extremely hard. 
Snodgrass covered an a wful lot of ground, I lost count of how often he came 
back to give vital cover. I thought everyone played well, except for O'Dea. I 
would not say O'dea played poorly but he does not inspire confidence.I was very 
happy with Becchio. Just look at the goal, he worked very hard to regain 
possession, played a simple ball to the wing and then put in the rebound. The 
goal was not difficult but it was brave,  there was a high boot very close to 
his face.Win, lose or draw this is a team I am happy to cheer for. Hard working 
and organized, lots of enthusiasm, everyone doing their job. Get well, Muamba.
 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:22:01 +
> From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Hammers
> 
> Pre match I would have been happy with a deserved point . Post match we got a 
> point and we deserved it, so am I happy? No, not at all ! My main feeling is 
> one of disappointment and a touch of deja vu!
> It was not a great game by any stretch but it was enthralling contest and was 
> a hard fought battle.
> There were few real clear cut chances, 
> We matched one of the best teams in the Division and every single player gave 
> their all in a very committed performance , so why am I not happy ? Well in a 
> game that had 0-0 written all over it from early on, we managed to take the 
> lead with a few minutes to go, when Becchio did what Becchio does, a header 
> from a yard out into an empty net, being the first to re-act as the ball came 
> back off the bar. All we had to do then, is to do what we had done so well 
> for the previous 88 mins or whatever - defend properly and keep them out. 
> Instead , we turned back into the team of McAllister and late Grayson and let 
> them equalise from a straight forward corner into the box ! To be fair one of 
> out players was on the floor at the time - a push maybe ?-and my mates and 
> fans around me were happier than I am, but it just seemed as if our old 
> faults had come back.
> Alcohol has wiped indiviual bits of action from my mind but I do remember 
> Lonnergan tipping one over the bar and Green pulling off a great save at the 
> other end (my mate said it was a good height for the keeper) as chances were 
> at a real premium. The bit of action I remember most involved new boy 
> Robinson He went flying into a tackle and, I thought, won the ball fair and 
> square - the ref disagreed and gave a foul and booked him.Within the space of 
> a minute he made 2 bone crunching tackles  to break up a move of theirs - top 
> quality commitment and great defending/
> 
> So all in all , a bit of a disappointment result wise and a dent in our slim 
> play off chances  but a day when a full house were teated to a totally 
> committed and hard working performance - roll on Tuesday v Forest and lets 
> hope the returning thousands saw enough to persuade them to come back for 
> that one. 
> Da ve
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Re: [LU] LU: Paul Robinson signs on loan

[Neil Hackett]

I am in favour. Solid and no nonsense. I could actually see him becoming quite 
popular in a Kisnorbo kind of way. 
 

> From: beden...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:29:48 +0200
> To: t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Paul Robinson signs on loan
> 
> I'm all in favour of thugs. As long as they're our thugs. Did you ever see 
> Hunter? A God. But one of the vengeance is mine type. 
> We're Leeds FFS. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> Community Psychiatrist. 
> 
> On 6 Mar 2012, at 15:02, "Tim Leslie"  wrote:
> 
> > Can't say I'm too impressed, the guy is a thug. End of. Nasty piece of
> > work IMHO, still, lets see what happens eh?
> > 
> >> No, not that one, Notlob defender, coming in for a month, straight into
> >> the squad for tonight.
> >> 
> >> A typical Warnock type player, and the sort of player we've been so
> >> desperate for.
> >> 
> >> Andy C
> >> 
> > 
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Re: [LU] LU - Questions

[Neil Hackett]

Try living in Toronto! Grown men have never seen anything resembling success. 
All of our teams are terrible.
 

> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:35:19 -0800
> From: jsy...@shaw.ca
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] LU - Questions
> 
> Dave, you said.
> 
> I think you overseas fans do not realise quite how bad things are at ER !!
> 
> 
> Things have been bad at ER for years..just as things have been bad 
> with our hockey team in Vancouver.three times to the Cup Final 
> series in over 40 years..except for a brief spell.each and every 
> game has been sold outand each and every game is shown on TV.the 
> cheapest seats go for almost 50 pounds.not dollars...pounds.
> 
> No, we do realise how bad things are...and if someone thinks staying 
> away is showing support for the team, then I doubt we'll ever be back in 
> the PL. Some keep saying - getting back to our rightful place...in the 
> PL. I'd suggest the malaise has been much longer in terms of years in 
> the old second division...and more recently in League One and The 
> Championship. This isn't something new, not by a long shot.
> 
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Re: [LU] Leeds in midfielder upgrade shock

[Neil Hackett]

I tink it's a really good move to get him back, but I am daydreaming about 
Delph, Clayton and Howson in there together.
 
An interesting read that Howson had decided not to sign again in the summer. If 
this is fact then 2million is a good price. Will Delph's wages swallow this?
 
If we end up in the premiership, stop laughing, what would it cost to keep him?
 

> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:08:55 +
> From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Leeds in midfielder upgrade shock
> 
> Delph may be an 'upgrade' but that depends on whether he has progressed since 
> he left us - a serious injury and failure to hold down a place may mean that 
> he is not as good as we were hoping he would be. Having said that he is more 
> mature physically and now has a reasonable amount of Prem experience rather 
> than only playing at 3rd Division level- so it could be a great move for 
> usTime will tell - lets hope Villa allow hiim to stay for more than the 28 
> days and never use the recall.
> I must admit him and Clayton with Snoddy (skill)  and Townsend (pace) out 
> wide could be a strong midfield 4 (if SG does go 4 4 2)
> Dave
> 
> --- On Fri, 20/1/12, Mark Humphries  
> wrote:Delph in.
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Re: [LU] Subject now is "Ye Liste Meete of olde"

[Neil Hackett]

Was he the one who was unfamiliar with punctuation. He posted in some kind of 
stream of consciousness. 
Perhaps we just did not understand it.
 

> From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:35:38 +
> To: arm...@yahoo.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Subject now is "Ye Liste Meete of olde"
> 
> Joined as a student in 2000 ish. Not been a continuous member, re-joined a 
> while ago, maybe a year.
> 
> Who was that guy from Ireland, not the brightest button bless him - Trevor 
> summat. 
> 
> I
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 11 Jan 2012, at 19:25, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> > How mature? I was 27 when first went (1991). God the birds were hot
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ted 
> > To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Subject now is "Ye Liste Meete of olde"
> > 
> > I joined whilst at Uni (a very mature student!) in about 94/95.
> > 
> > No idea how I found it - probably some early Internet search in my Netscape
> > or Mosaic browser using whatever search engine I used before I could Google
> > anything? Lycos?
> > 
> > Made a brief appearance at the MOALM at some pub in London in 96. Seems a
> > lifetime ago.
> > 
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Re: [LU] Monday's game

[Neil Hackett]

I enjoyed the game. Some absolutely incredible talent out there. Can we say 
that 10 man City are better than 11 man United? I look forward to seeing Yaya 
Toure manhandling the Scummers next time they play. I think the refereeing 
deciion was a cae of the letter of the law over the spirit. It was not a 
dangerous tackle bit it was two footed. Usually it's only red if you leave the 
ground though. I enjoy the sport. I prefer to watch Leeds but enjoy most 
competetive games.
 > From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:53:09 +
> To: jsy...@shaw.ca
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Monday's game
> 
> Was a great game though you miserable bugger. That sending off was a joke. 
> Once again scum get (most of) the decisions. That ref was a disgrace. Hate 
> Rooney as much as the next man but you have to say the lad can leck. 
> 
> I
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jan 2012, at 17:20, John Sykes  wrote:
> 
> > For Canadian fans, the Leeds/Arsenal game is on Sportsnet World at 11.45am 
> > PST (2.45pm EST)
> > 
> > Finally some real class football on Canadian television..not the 
> > Man-Man crap that was on early this morning.
> > 
> > Sykes
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Re: [LU] Miracles of miracles:

[Neil Hackett]

I agree that a free is not really a good idea. He is an asset, you can't give 
them away to competitors.
Emotion says to tell him to get stuffed, but if we can turn this asset into 
another asset then I would do that. I don't think there's much chance of 
getting any real money for him though.
I am sure this has been discussed but what prompted his refusal to play? Is he 
tapped up?
 

> From: forzale...@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:41:32 +
> To: beden...@gmail.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Miracles of miracles:
> 
> I'm with Dr Mike on this one - if we were looking to sell him he'd want a 
> payday for moving and no doubt a signing on fee at his new club. If he wants 
> out of his contract he puts in a transfer request (thereby losing any money 
> from Leeds) and tries to find a club that he wants to join. The idea of 
> letting him walk on a free should not be entertained.
> If he goes on loan then it should be to a club outside our division - my vote 
> would be for him spending the rest of the season at Arbroath :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 23 Nov 2011, at 14:13, "Dr. Michael Benjamin. "  wrote:
> 
> > Bullshit. They are a pampered bunch. Contracts are mutually binding. 
> > Remember when we wanted them to take a pay cut temporarily to save the 
> > club. 
> > The Stoat is spot on. 
> > Hammer the guy and make an example of him. You wanna leave ask to be 
> > released. Not this way. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone. 
> > D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> > Community Psychiatrist. 
> > 
> > On 23 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Eric B  wrote:
> > 
> >> You want to harm someone for wanting to change clubs? You need to
> >> understand that being a football player is a JOB. nothing else,
> >> nothing more. Anybody is entitled to move jobs in a free society
> >> withing the limits of the law/contract.
> >> 
> >> Harassment will only lead to unwanted noise and deter others from
> >> signing in the future.
> >> 
> >> Are you for real doc?
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Dr. Michael Benjamin.
> >>  wrote:
> >>> You have to impose a framework of tolerated accepted behavior. It may 
> >>> cost on the short term but will be profitable on the long.
> >>> A contract is mutually binding.
> >>> I'd do everything to harm OBrian so that he in no way benefits and in 
> >>> every way suffers.
> >>> One way or another this is a landmark
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone.
> >>> D"r Michael Benjamin.
> >>> Community Psychiatrist.
> >>> 
> >>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 12:42, DAVID NATTAN  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
>  He / the club might be right on this occasion but what if Snoddy or 
>  Howson or Clayton or someone else with a sell on value to us did the 
>  same. If Delph had said he did not want to play for us and we just 
>  terminated his contract in this way we (or at least Bates) would be £6m 
>  down.O'Brien also gets what he wants - a transfer to West Ham.
>  Dave
>  
>  --- On Wed, 23/11/11, Dr Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>  
>  From: Dr Michael Benjamin 
>  Subject: [LU] Miracles of miracles:
>  To: "LEEDSLIST" 
>  Date: Wednesday, 23 November, 2011, 8:08
>  
>  I agree with the Stoat entirely
>  Whats more I'd sue O'Brian's arse off him. Not to mention a complaint 
>  about
>  WHU and point deductions in the bargain.
>  
>  The words of the Stoat:
>  
>  O`Brien spoke to Leeds boss Simon Grayson last week and stated that he 
>  did
>  not intend to ever play for Leeds again.
>  
>  Grayson speaking at the weekend confirmed that he would never play for
>  Leeds again and now Bates says as far as he is concerned he has resigned
>  from the club.
>  
>  Speaking in the Yorkshire Post
>  ,
>  Bates said, "If you told the Yorkshire Post that you no longer wanted to
>  write stories for them then I am sure your boss would take that as you
>  having resigned from your employment at the Yorkshire Post. This is no
>  different.
>  
>  "The only reason Leeds United employ Andy O`Brien is to play football for
>  us. Now, he won`t do that then clearly he no longer wants to work for 
>  Leeds
>  United.
>  
>  "To my mind, that means he has resigned his position. As far as I
>  personally am concerned, Andy O`Brien has left the club and we have moved
>  on.
>  
>  "We are looking forward without Andy O`Brien and the challenge for the
>  other players is to come in and stake their claim. What happens in the
>  future is what concerns me and not a player who doesn`t want to play for
>  Leeds United."
>  
>  It is expected that O`Brien will leave the club this week, either on loan
>  or by the club terminating his contract allowing him to move on.
>

Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report

[Neil Hackett]

In North American sports teams tend to be run by two people, a general manager 
who is in charge of personel and a coach who does practices, tactics and games. 
 
These are two different skills and a person can certainly be good at one and 
not the other.
 

> From: wiscole...@hotmail.com
> To: m...@myray.com; m...@leeds-united.net
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:10:12 -0500
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report
> 
> 
> How many players has Grayson made "better" on arriving at Leeds, compared to 
> how many have regressed once coming under his coaching?
> I think the list is heavily weighted to the negative.
> Cheers
> Mark 
> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
> Leeds United 
> Chicago Fire
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report

[Neil Hackett]

The first thing I would do is get a new goalie. That is done.
 
Bring in a defensive coach. It may cost him his job if he does not.
 
After that, stay the course. We were doing well before the goalie was hurt. It 
is a long season and there are lots of injuries for everybody before this is 
over.
 

> From: m...@leeds-united.net
> To: m...@myray.com; richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:57:58 +
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report
> 
> He wasn't the reason they went down, it's because they lost their goals
> scorer Billy Paynter and he was a huge loss to them
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 November 2011 17:44, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> > Just remind me how Swindon did last season with the great man at the 
> > helm ?
> >
> > Funny that he's left 2 clubs for more money ? or do you think it's 
> > because they realise he's shit.
> >
> > From: David Bromley 
> > To: Richard Walker ; list leedslist < 
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> > Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 13:32
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report
> >
> >
> > I meant the Jonathan Douglas that played most matches in the season 
> > we reached the Championship playoffs,kept his place under Blackwell, 
> > Wise and Grayson, and left (like Johnson and Kilkenny) because he 
> > could earn more elsewhere.
> > In his first season at Swindon he was voted supporters' player of the 
> > season and players' player of the season. But what would they know?
> > He then turned down a new contract at Swindon for more money at 
> > Brentford who last time I looked were in league 1 not league 2 as you 
> > imply-you need to keep up mate.
> > If we'd kept Douglas and played him at right back we would have saved 
> > money and had a better defence in recent seasons.
> >
> > I dont know why you mention Collins but his weaknesses were obvious 
> > when he was on loan and he should never have been made permanent. The 
> > same mistake is being made now with Pugh.
> > - Original Message -
> > >From: Richard Walker
> > >To: David Bromley ; list leedslist
> > >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:50 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report
> > >
> > >
> > >It's a bit of a shame that even at 2-0 down and 10 men that you have 
> > >to
> > start thinking about protecting your goal difference. What about Boro 
> > when we went down to 10 men and were still the better team. We just 
> > crumbled and it's my opinion that Grayson has lost it when it comes to 
> > the defence and also in his belief that Danny Pugh is doing a job for him.
> > >
> > >Johnny Douglas - you're having a laugh mate. He couldn't read a
> > game or pass a ball. He ran around like a headless chicken not 
> > actually contributing at all but giving the impression he was. He came 
> > with premiership status , we soon realised he wasn't good enough for 
> > the championship (but was an ever present) and then subsequently not 
> > good enough for League One and now it appears that League 2 is challenging
> him.
> > He'll eventually end up where he belongs - non-league.
> > >
> > >and what about Neil Collins - he was solid and doing a job for us 
> > >wasn't
> > he ? What a joke.
> > >
> > >From: David Bromley 
> > >To: list leedslist 
> > >Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 12:18
> > >Subject: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> There were some favourable comments from an old pro posted 
> > >> yesterday
> > regarding Jonathan Douglas. Whatever his other failings I agreed with 
> > what was written and always thought he read the game well and saw things
> early.
> > By contrast Kisnorbo often seems to see things late and this happened 
> > several times yesterday.
> > >>
> > >> A large number of Pugh's passes yesterday were hospital passes.
> > >>
> > >> I am surprised no-one has commented on the manager's tactics 
> > >> yesterday
> > when Lees was sent off, we were 2 goals down to a team that had been 
> > outplaying us from the off.
> > >> We weren't going to win so I wonder why Grayson didn't bring on 
> > >> O'Brian
> > straight away to replace Lees and take off one of the forwards 
> > (preferably Keogh who didn't get a kick or header all night) and try 
> > to protect our goal difference.
&g

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Neil Hackett]

Perhaps they have both found their level.
 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:13:01 +
From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
To: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk; nhacks...@hotmail.com; 
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org

It's always a question of time before the real answers to our debates can be 
settled ? 
 
What did happen to Ian Harte when it was realised he didn't have the pace to 
play in the premiership ? Obviously the list expert was telling everyone at 
least a season before that he would cost us dearly. 
 
Where did Mcphail end up playing most of his football ? Never good enough to 
play at the top level despite his 2 goals at Chelsea. THe list expert couldn't 
convince people though ? 
 
What did Bakke do when he left Leeds ? THe list expert knew he was overrated 
and he even struggled to make an impact when we went down. 
 
What did fat b'stard Viduka do when he left Leeds - not a right f;cking lot. 
The list expert always thought he was talenented but he didn't have the drive 
or ambition. His career petered out. 
 
What happened to Paul Butler and Sean Gregan ? Both never good enough to play 
in a team hoping for promotion. The list expert was telling people this way 
before they came to a sticky end in the Watford play off match. 
 
I could go on . 
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
Let's see how Becchio's career maps out ? 
Let's see how Bradley Johnson's career ?
 
You all know Uncle Rich is right. 




From: Mark Humphries 
To: 'Neil Hackett' ; richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; 
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 15:52
Subject: RE: [LU] Cardiff

Quite - it's not like people on here are suggesting Pugh or Becchio are
international standard.  



-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Neil Hackett
Sent: 02 November 2011 15:35
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk;
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff


I have seen him play a few times.

I would say that he has done well enough that he could play regularly for
more than half of the teams in the Premiership.

He is certainly not England class but I'm not sure he's that much worse
 than
Barry.


> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:26:12 +
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; 
> leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> So on the Bradley Johnson issue - on the face of it he has proved to us
doubters that he can play football and I think I admitted as much last
season on some of his displays. He is certainly better than a pub player
however I haven't seen Norwich play this season so I can't comment. So I
thought I'd go onto the Norwich forum and see what they
 throught about our
Bradley. Here's one of the comments (and there are several similar):
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> bradley johnson has been great but
> if he is england class we have more to worry about than rooneys 
> suspension
> 
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> To: Richard Naef ; 'list leedslist' 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 13:58
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> Never said I was any sort of expert, just a paying punter with
 40 years
experience of watching Leeds. 
>  
>  
> 
> From: Richard Naef 
> To: 'list leedslist' 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 10:39
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> Look Mark, you don't understand - if a player is identified as "shit" by
the list experts, he is shit until the day he dies.  Look at that muppet
Bradley Johnson, he was shit, all the experts agreed, and look what happened
to him, disappeared with no trace ;)  it doesn't matter what happens or what
the facts are a shit player is always shit.
> 
> I'd give up arguing about it, I have.
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Neil Hackett]

I have seen him play a few times.
 
I would say that he has done well enough that he could play regularly for more 
than half of the teams in the Premiership.
 
He is certainly not England class but I'm not sure he's that much worse than 
Barry.
 

> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:26:12 +
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; 
> leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> So on the Bradley Johnson issue - on the face of it he has proved to us 
> doubters that he can play football and I think I admitted as much last season 
> on some of his displays. He is certainly better than a pub player however I 
> haven't seen Norwich play this season so I can't comment. So I thought I'd go 
> onto the Norwich forum and see what they throught about our Bradley. Here's 
> one of the comments (and there are several similar):
> 
> >>>
> bradley johnson has been great but
> if he is england class we have more to worry about than rooneys suspension 
> 
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> To: Richard Naef ; 'list leedslist' 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 13:58
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> Never said I was any sort of expert, just a paying punter with 40 years 
> experience of watching Leeds. 
>  
>  
> 
> From: Richard Naef 
> To: 'list leedslist' 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 10:39
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> Look Mark, you don't understand - if a player is identified as "shit" by the 
> list experts, he is shit until the day he dies.  Look at that muppet Bradley 
> Johnson, he was shit, all the experts agreed, and look what happened to him, 
> disappeared with no trace ;)  it doesn't matter what happens or what the 
> facts are a shit player is always shit.
> 
> I'd give up arguing about it, I have.
> 
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Re: [LU] Grayson & O'Leary

[Neil Hackett]

Sounds good to me as long as he sells to someone decent.
 

> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:16:50 +0100
> From: t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Grayson & O'Leary
> 
>  it's SG's vision of how we should always play in the best of all
> worlds? 
> 
> Talking of visions! Buy a club, by nefarious means, take out your
> purchasing costs over the next 3 years so you've effectively bought it for
> nothing, do just enough to get to the brink of Premiership football (But
> ensure you don't quite make it until 5 year penalty clauses that would
> cost you a fortune lapse), build up the facilities and run at a profit for
> 3-4 years so that in the Summer of 2012 you can sell the club you bought
> for £10M (Or, in reality £0 - see above) for £45M Plus as it's now an
> atractive buy and disappear off to Monaco to live out what few days you
> have remaining with you ego abated and enough money in the bank to not
> care about anything ever. Not that you ever did anyway!
> 
> That's how I see it anyway!
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Re: [LU] Matteo

[Neil Hackett]

I think so too. On paper our defence should be solid but it is not. 
Last year it cost us the playoffs, this year it could cost us much more. 
 

> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:27:26 +0100
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: m...@myray.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Matteo
> 
> Talkes a lot of sense does Dom. 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Dr Michael Benjamin 
> To: LEEDSLIST 
> Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 14:39:50
> Subject: [LU] Matteo
> 
> ublished on *Thursday 11 August 2011 16:24*
> 
> Whatever else can be said about Saturday’s defeat to Southampton, it’s only
> fair to point out that Leeds United were beaten by a decent team at St
> Mary’s.
> 
> I’ve played Southampton many times in the past and I always found it a
> difficult club to visit. They’ve ridden the wave of promotion from League
> One and they look like a side who are confident, sure of themselves and in
> the habit of winning matches. That game was no gimme and losing there should
> not have been a complete disgrace.
> 
> The problem with Leeds United’s performance was that it fell short on so
> many levels and in so many departments. As displays on the first day of the
> season go, it was pitiful. You expect players to be bright, bubbly and full
> of spark when a new term begins but Leeds were unbelievably flat and devoid
> of imagination. That does not bode well for the 45 games to come.
> 
> Did I see that result coming? To some extent yes, as my comments throughout
> this summer will show.
> 
> I’ve questioned the club’s transfer policy and stated many times that the
> squad at Elland Road, and the defence in particular, were weaker than they
> needed to be.
> 
> I didn’t want to see Leeds take a beating at Southampton but, like most of
> the supporters, I wondered if it was a possibility. The past few months have
> inspired little confidence in a side who should have been seen as major
> contenders for a play-off position.
> 
> Some 3,000 fans made the journey to the south coast, a fantastic following
> who I’m sure were full of optimism in spite of all that’s gone on. My
> Facebook page on Saturday morning was awash with hopeful predictions and
> confident comments. But by full-time, the shift in mood was obvious and
> negativity rife. The travelling support were badly let down and
> understandably made their feelings plain.
> 
> I’m obviously aware of the criticism flying at the Leeds chairman, Ken
> Bates, and it’s clear enough that the majority of the fans want to see more
> money spent on the team at Elland Road. I’ve said exactly the same since the
> end of last season and the manner of Saturday’s display proved that the
> point we’re making is a valid one.
> 
> You get the feeling from time to time that football supporters as a whole
> are credited with very little knowledge or common sense, but a lot of them
> read the game very well and the complaints I hear about the squad at Leeds –
> that Simon Grayson’s resources aren’t deep enough and his defence isn’t good
> enough – are spot on.
> 
> It’s not a case of asking Leeds to spend money for fun. It’s a case of
> asking them to spend money which, in my view and the view of many other
> people, needs to be spent. Without that investment, I really fear that this
> season will pass the club by.
> 
> The defence is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. In two
> competitive matches so far, it has looked no better than it did in the
> Championship last term – the same mistakes made by the same players. For the
> life of me, I cannot understand why so little work was done to the backline
> and why it is once again threatening to be the club’s undoing.
> 
> After the game against Southampton and the win over Bradford City in the
> Carling Cup, I heard Simon talking about the need to eradicate mistakes and
> felt a sense of deja vu. How many times has he said that in the past 12
> months? If his players can’t learn then, as ruthless as it sounds, they need
> to be replaced. Loyalty can only stretch so far and it’ll do Grayson no good
> in the long run to persevere with players who are letting him down
> regularly.
> 
> He was let down by so many at St Mary’s that it’s easier to mention those
> who didn’t. Adam Clayton had a tidy game in midfield and the goalkeeper,
> Andy Lonergan, made a couple of very good saves. But I’m struggling to be
> complimentary about the performance as a whole.
> 
> Routine
> 
> Ken Bates took his share of criticism but some must be aimed at the team
> too. I hope the players don’t think that the abuse thrown at their chairman
> vindicated or excused their display because in my eyes it didn’t.
> 
> Southampton on the other hand played very well and it’s important to say
> that. It wasn’t as if Leeds lost to a woeful team. But what disappointed me
> more than anything was United’s inability to make Southampton fight for the
> points. It was far too easy and far too comfortable, the sort of loss that
> really hurts. If no

Re: [LU] Somma Time Blues

[Neil Hackett]

I really like that one. 
 
I suppose we'll have Somma-ther player to replace Becchio after 80 minutes.
 

> From: steve.gil...@ntlworld.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:06:57 +0100
> Subject: [LU] Somma Time Blues
> 
> 
> There ain't no cure Apparently
> 
> 
> 
> Coat is at the cleaners, will go as I am...
> 
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Re: [LU] Non LU: Update on Pete C

[Neil Hackett]

great news. Very inspiring stuff Pete, and I mean it.
 
> From: markbu...@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 06:51:59 -0400
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Update on Pete C
> 
> Excellent news Pete - sounds extremely encouraging...
> 
> Boston is a fun town - been there a few times.
> 
> I stayed in the suburb of Cambridge, which is where Harvard University is 
> situated. It's a lively college town with plenty of bars and restaurants. 
> You'll not get bored there.
> 
> Best
> 
> Mark
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Re: [LU] today

[Neil Hackett]

Big day for Somma. If he wants the spot he needs to be effective. 
 
Becchio can be an effective sub today. After 70 minutes of the game the tired 
full backs see him come on and know they still have a lot of work to do.
 
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:23:34 +0100
> To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] today
> 
> Becchio dropped Somma in.
> 
> How could u drop your top goalscorer?
> 
> Good lad Simon.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 16 Apr 2011, at 06:56, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to think that Grayson will go for something different today. I'd 
> > bring 
> > in Naylor at the back and play 4-4-2 with Somma and McCormack up front. I'd 
> > also 
> > give Lloyd Sam a run out. Needs to change the team, needs to freshen us up 
> > ... 
> > something new that just might work and provide us with a spark for the 
> > remaining 
> > games. 
> > 
> > If he goes 4-5-1 with Becchio as the lone striker,the same defence that 
> > keeps 
> > leaking goals and Bradley Johnson strolling in front of the back 4 we're 
> > not 
> > going to get into that top 6. 
> > 
> > 
> > I'd be looking forward to today if I knew that he would change things but 
> > why do 
> > I know he won't. He has surpised me in the past, hopefully he will again. 
> > 
> > 
> > Is Paynter available again today ? Might be worth giving him a run with 
> > Somma ?
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Re: [LU] Millwall Online is becoming my favorite site

[Neil Hackett]

I was thinking that as well. Sounds like they are all 14 years old.
 
> From: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:36:29 +
> Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall Online is becoming my favorite site
> 
> 
> My those Millwall fans are a grizzly lot.
> Coat on
> 
> > From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:56:15 +0100
> > To: tim.whe...@talk21.com
> > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall Online is becoming my favorite site
> > 
> > Kenny Jackett 'best manager outside the premiership'. Oky.………
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On 6 Apr 2011, at 14:25, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Never mind Vital Forest, this is priceless...
> > > 
> > > On Grayson..."he's just an ugly cunt that can bearly speak English".
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=61074&posts=17
> 
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Re: [LU] Pete Cass's Blog

[Neil Hackett]

I agree Rich. That is extremely sad. 
 
His writing is so honest. Not looking for pity, or to be Superman, just exactly 
what he's feeling.
 
God bless you Pete.
 
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:55:52 +
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: barbaravi...@gmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Pete Cass's Blog
> 
> bloody hell, this is hard reading. 
> 
> Now, there's 2 Pete Cass's in Australia aren't they ? One has been on the 
> list 
> longer than the other. Which one is this ? 
> 
> 
> All the best to Pete. 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: "barbaravi...@gmail.com" 
> To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" bloody hee
> Sent: Sun, 20 March, 2011 17:25:35
> Subject: [LU] Pete Cass's Blog
> 
> Heyup boys and girls,  Our fellow lister Pete Cass (as some of you will 
> already 
> know) is undergoing all sorts of nasty things to try and beat the big C.
> 
> Pete has a blog at http://thebigc.bigblog.com.au/index.do which he hopes 
> mught 
> help others enduring the same things as he is.
> 
> His chin is up and he was happy for his fellow listers to know how he is 
> getting 
> on - the future doesn't look good unfortunately.
> 
> He's also on Facebook quite regularly (look for "Peter Cass"  in Oz).
> 
> I don't really know what else to say other than Pete has decided to live life 
> to 
> the full - what else would you expect from a Yorkshireman on missionary work 
> in 
> Melbourne?
> 
> Check out his blog and join him on facebok.
> 
> Betty
> 
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Re: [LU] Defence

[Neil Hackett]

It got better as the half went on. We hit the bar and had a penalty shout. 
 
I think a lot of the problem is the lack of support from the midfield. It is 
extremely difficult to defend when someone is running at you at full speed.
 
I think the game evened out a bit when Gadel started to track back and help. I 
assume Grayson was yelling at him to get back.
 
That being said our centre backs are not very good in the air and this is the 
cause of problems as well.
 
If it was scoreless I would put on another midfielder, as it is I am not sure 
what to do. We need more from Kilkenny.
 
> From: ws.callag...@live.co.uk
> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:25:42 +
> To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Defence
> 
> The defence start to back off before the attackers get the ball, giving them 
> time and an extra 3 yards to get a shot/pass off. Wtf is grays doing in 
> training, surely that can't be a tactic they employ on the training ground.
> Regards
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> I was just about to say that Gradel is a better left back than McCartney. He 
> can't defend just backs off all the time Sent from my iPhone On 26 Feb 2011, 
> at 13:11, Wayne  wrote: > Becchio is our best 
> defender.. > Regards > > Wayne >_
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Re: [LU] 1-2

[Neil Hackett]

A win on the road is always good. We were far from excellent but got the three. 
Lots of teams will lose points at the Riverside this year, even though the 
hosts were absolutely awful.
 
I am pleased we ended up with Grayson rather than Strachan.
 
It was a peculiar game in that I thought players were effective for periods of 
time and then disappeared. For instance Faye, either doing really well or not 
doing anything at all.  I though the right back was solid.
 
Was it my TV or was our Keeper a bit on the tubby side?
 
Certainly two well taken goals, make that three, because their's was also nice.
 
I almost forgot, we really missed Watt. I believe it would have been a 
comfortable win if he had stayed on. Very effective going forward and in 
defence.
 
> To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org
> From: ws.callag...@live.co.uk
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:45:44 +0100
> Subject: [LU] 1-2
> 
> Luciano becchio Luciano Becchio
> 
> Regards
> 
> Wayne
> 
> Sent from my HD2 Android
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Re: [LU] overseas listers -LUTV

[Neil Hackett]

I don't if this works for everyone, but Setanta canada has saturday's game on 
at 3pm Eastern time.
 
> From: rhe...@mis-munich.de
> To: david.nat...@btinternet.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:19:09 +0200
> Subject: Re: [LU] overseas listers -LUTV
> 
> One caveatit won't play on a MAC!
> _ 
> 
> From: DAVID NATTAN [mailto:david.nat...@btinternet.com]
> To: list leedslist [mailto:leedsl...@gn.apc.org]
> Sent: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:54:55 +0200
> Subject: [LU] overseas listers -LUTV
> 
> LUTV are showing games v Preston, Leicester and Hull live on LUTV
> It is via pay per view and only allowed in South Africa, Spain and Malta so 
> far
> Details available on official site
> 
> I am an LUTV subscriber and reckon it is OK - I watch all the extended 
> highlights and home reserve games(if I am at home)
> If I lived abroad and could not get to games or see highlights on TV I would 
> definately join
> 
> Dave
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