Re: [LU] Super Dave.

[Mark Tuffey]

Me too, been around since about 1996/7. I think around the time Leeds toured 
the USA under Graham.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds



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Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 8:04 PM
To: Graham White ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Super Dave.

While I have met very few of you I am still here!
Nick


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On Monday, January 8, 2024, 7:42 PM, Graham White via Leedslist 
 wrote:

How many of the old vax.ox.ac gang are still with us?
MOT
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themselves with lavish food and drink,And possess riches in extravagance.These 
are not princes and lords.They are robber barons.
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On Monday, 8 January 2024 at 13:23:29 CET, Nick Allen 
 wrote:

 Definitely in my thoughts, Scott.

Nick

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 11:17, Damian WALSH  wrote:
>
> I'd like to join you in that memory if I may.
>
> With thoughts also for Guy and the other listers who are no longer with
> us
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> Damian
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> Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 12:15, Scott1cairns1  a
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>> Remembering David Dowden who passed away this day last  year.
>> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] Any reports on yesterday?

[Mark Tuffey]

I believe he was the player defending the near post corner.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds


Cheers
Mark


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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 6:05 PM
To: seanscr...@aol.com 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 

Subject: Re: [LU] Any reports on yesterday?

For clarity, we lost the game because we conceded a goal, Bamford's miss meant 
we were still level even after he missed it - he wasn’t responsible for their 
goal!!

Sent from my iPad

> On 29 Oct 2023, at 18:17, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
>  We only lost at Stoke because of the incomprehensible decision to allow 
> Bamford to take that penalty. Almost certainly if Summerville or Rutter or 
> Ampadu had taken it, we'd have scored and gone on to take three points. I 
> have a sinking feeling that that one bizarre decision will cost us promotion.
> Cheers!
> Seam
>On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 06:20:34 AM EDT, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 
> via Leedslist  wrote:
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> Folks,
> I "listened" to it on the WhatsApp group and on Twitter.
> We are still finding out feet at this level.  We lose at Stoke and then 
> batter Huddersfield a few days later - both teams in the lower reaches of the 
> division.
> James.
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Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[Mark Tuffey]

Agreed, Rodon must start and 3 points are a must.

Not a fan of rotating players. Points lost now are points we are chasing at the 
end of the season.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:45 AM
To: heathpalai...@gmail.com ; Michael Benjamin 

Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

I regret getting sucked into whatever world Michel Bonjamming inhabits - I know 
it's an exercise in pointlessness.
I may not be a psychiatrist, but this is an 'odd' contribution to a football 
list - it seems his outsider status goes much further than football? I'll say 
no more, as it's hard to know what to say?
Meanwhile, back to football, I still maintain tonight is a must win game, and 
must play well too, because the Southampton game brought back some very recent 
painful memories, and the new shoots of discontent are starting to appear! 
Rodon at the back is a must for me.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at 14:34, Robert Heath wrote:   
Dear me.
He's obviously trying really hard to be coherent here, but I still can't follow 
half of it. I think the gist of it is that Elland Road, and indeed the City of 
Leeds, are not the same places they were 50 years ago. Startling revelation!
Still, now that he's gone we can all talk about him behind his back. He was a 
prickly, loopy contributor wasn't he? Seemed like a deeply unhappy person at 
heart, and like so many people took his anger out on his football team.
P.S. Anybody sad to hear of the death of Francis Lee? No, me neither.
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 1:26 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:


How do you explain anything to someone who forms opinions with no basis 
whatsoever?
You do not know me.
You don’t know how I work, or with whom I work.
If you have any experience with psychiatry, it could make your view subjective. 
I wonder if you have any.
How on earth my abysmal ability to remember names and terrible spelling leads 
you to racism is a stretch. Even your Brownian-movement-like logic shudders 
under that burden.

I had some introspection as I walked out, not only on the LUFC list and 
WhatsApp. I told the National Insurance & the Ministry of Health to fuck off.
What is there in common? It's not an age issue, as you may think. I decided 
that life is too short to pretend I am happy and belong when I do not.

The boards I sat on in both places are known to be institutionalised-central & 
not functioning to promote patient’s well-being.  In both cases, after a long 
process over the years, I knew that I neither identified with their aims nor 
wished to be identified with what they were doing.  I am very happy with a 
Health Provider who appreciates what I am and what I do. Along with patients’ 
gratitude, what more do I need?

The same goes for LUFC and its supporters, as represented by you. I love Leeds; 
it is a major part of who I am. With my parents’ passing and the exodus of so 
many Jews, the Leeds I knew is gone.
As I have often said, the one place I felt not merely a part of a minority but 
‘completely belonged’ was ER. That sense of belonging whilst being a minority 
is also something integral to my ‘worldview.’
Even so,  people like you make me uneasy, apart and alone again.


I do not belong with you, I am uneasy with you, the city has changed and is not 
what it was, and the team is no longer the main standard bearer of Leeds—it is 
something else. I do not know what. But whatever it is, it is not what I fell 
in love with and Marched On Together with.

That’s my answer, John & you can do what you want with it. If you wish, post it 
in my name on the list– I have left.

Keep well

-- Michael












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From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 12:40 PM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: Robert Heath ; Kevin Lewis 
; Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend



Michael



It has always been a mystery to me how someone with psychiatric issues could 
see you as part of any solution? That mystery continues!

John



Ps - noted you avoided the subject of racism - convenient?






On 4 Oct 2023, at 09:56, Michael Benjamin  wrote:





Thanks for nothing
Whoever is in charge – unsubscribe me
FYI – I am still working and very fit
As for attention seeking
I leave that to you

-- Michael









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From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 11:27 AM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: Robert Heath ; Kevin Lewis 
; 

Re: [LU] 49ers now in charge

[Mark Tuffey]

Agreed! The team needs to be built around someone and he is the best choice of 
the current squad.
Cheers


Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 6:07 AM
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] 49ers now in charge

and I agree with your assessment also !
On Saturday, 10 June 2023 at 09:24:45 BST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:

 !00% in agreement with that assessment Richard.except I fear that 
"what Adams wants" is a move to Liverpool or Newcastle.
On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:55 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

I remember last time we had a takeover by a group who really didn’t have the 
club at heart, the Elland Road crowd clapped them as they walked around the 
pitch on a warm Summer’s day and Wales up to the East Stand boxes. I didn’t - 
they looked like chancers and they were. Yes, they took over from Ken Bates but 
were actually worse owners.49ers at least know sport and at least know success 
BUT do they really care about English ‘soccer’ ? Let’s hope so! First thing 
they could do is make Tyler Adams captain and give him what he wants.


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On Friday, June 9, 2023, 11:09 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Nuff said
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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

[Mark Tuffey]

The good will of the Amazon series time seems like fooking ages ago now. We 
were the belle of the ball.

At least we're back to being the real Leeds, imploding and now disliked by 
everyone.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick Allen 

Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2023 8:04 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Big Sam.

From the sublime to the ridiculous in 14 months, what a board.

Nick

> On 2 May 2023, at 13:59, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> he's coming in at centre back not manager. Think he'll do a better job,.
>On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 13:19:01 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
>
> The final humiliation indeed! If they wanted a fat old bloke who hasn’t 
> worked for 10 years I’d have been a better option ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 2 May 2023, at 11:54, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>>
>> He stands an infinitely higher chance of getting some kind of result over 
>> the next 4 games than the current clown in charge. We needed to throw the 
>> dice, and Sam is a big gamble, but he’s a good gamble. He moves pit chance 
>> of survival from zero to 10%.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 2 May 2023, at 20:48, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh dear oh dear.
>>> The final humiliation
>>>
>>> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] Scum

[Mark Tuffey]

What a magnificent team performance given the situation. I thought the game 
completely changed during a three minute period when both Adams and then 
Mckennie got yellow cards. This basically neutered their aggression which up 
until that point had the SCUM midfield shaking in their boots. From that point 
forth Adams and McKennie had to be concerned about staying on the pitch and 
this allowed SCUM more time on the ball and created fewer turnovers for us to 
transition with.
Hopefully the "Bash Brothers" can repeat their performance on Sunday, as it 
didn't look like Fernandez, Fred and Sabitzer liked it "up 'em".

Cheers
Wiscoleeds




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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden

[Mark Tuffey]

I remember Dave from the couple of blurry Worldnet weekends.

What a sad loss for the world. He will be missed by many.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds


Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 7:28 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Dave Dowden

As I’m in digest land I have only just learned of the sad loss of Dave.

I remember many of the stories and remember Dave himself from list meets
from the early days, and of course the early Worldnet weekends.

He was someone who helped to make those events special to me and many
others.

So sorry to hear this.
RIP Dave

KOT

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Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

[Mark Tuffey]

What is the WhatsApp group?
Cheers
Wiscoleeds


Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Rafael Tito de 
Morais 
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:32 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

Hi all!
Long time since I posted last time… Some 20 years ago 浪

I was on the excellent digest for most of these years - until the WhatsApp chat 
& Facebook group got started a few years ago.

Like many of us I saw them as logical steps in modernising communication whilst 
not disrespecting 30 years (!!) of Leedslisting, and joined.

Have had a great time on them since.

Now read that Richard & Verner chose to leave - I hope you guys can find a way 
back on, cos’ your input on anything Leeds is highly valued!

Rgds.
/Raffe


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> On 9 Sep 2022, at 14:51, errand.fivefold--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
>
>    I know what you are saying and you are 100% correct.
>   I just couldn't believe some of the bile.
>   Life is too short.
>   Best wishes,
>   Verner
>
>   On 9 Sept 2022 13:24, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>
>   I A have learned a never leave & donat ask for expulsions.
>   Just do not give in
>
>   A
>
>  [cid:image001.jpg01D8C460.4A3DD3A0]
>   DrA  Michael Benjamin,
>   Community Psychiatrist.
>   Oranit,
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>
>   A
>
>   A
>
>   From: errand.fivef...@talk21.com 
>   Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 2:26 PM
>   To: Richard Walker 
>   Cc: Robert Heath ; Leeds List
>   ; Michael Benjamin 
>   Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)
>
>   A
>
>   I too left the WhatsApp list.
>
>   Truly disgusted me.A
>
>   A
>
>   A
>
>   Best wishes,A
>
>   A
>
>   VernerA
>
>   A
>
>   On 9 Sept 2022 12:17, Richard Walker via Leedslist
>   <[8]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Agree Mike. I've taken myself off the WhatsApp due to people on
> there thinking they are funny, making jokes about the queen's death.
> Unbelievable really but that's what we've become.A
> A A A  On Friday, 9 September 2022 at 11:06:30 BST, Michael Benjamin
> <[9]m...@myray.com> wrote:A
> Simply gob-smacked by that ridiculous remark.
>
> Neither the time nor the place.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist <[10]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of
> Robert Heath
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:51 PM
> To: Leeds List <[11]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)
>
> I can't believe in all this sycophantic fawning over the Chief
> Parasite they have not mentioned the greatest day in her
> life.8 May,
> 1972 when she got to shake hands with Billy Bremner!
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Re: [LU] The Leeds United e-Mailing List is 29 years old in July

[Mark Tuffey]

Is there any way you can look up when I joined?

Cheers
Wiscoleeds



From: Leedslist  on behalf of James A. Lundon @ 
Yahoo! via Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 6:51 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] The Leeds United e-Mailing List is 29 years old in July

Kevin,
RE:  From: Kevin Lewis - UK SBS 

RE:  PS.  I am retiring from work on Thursday, so after nearly 30 ys will be 
unsubbing from the list with this address.RE:  Hopefully will be back from a 
new address as soon as I can work out how to do it, and John lets me go nomail 
so I catch up from RE:  the web digest.
This list is 29 years old in July, leeds-uni...@vax.ac.co.uk.  It grew out of 
rec.sport.soccer (rec.sport.soccer - Google Groups) in the summer of 1993, not 
1992 as might have been implied at one stage or another in the past.
I checked Google's archive of rec.sport.soccer and noted a message from Declan 
Mc Mahon from June 1992 but it got no real traction at the time.  Gavin Burnage 
(with Mark Smith?) did move definitively in late-July 1993 with a proper list 
mechanism and we were off.  All three are still with us, I believe.
James.

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Jun 15, 1992, 5:48:54 PM

Does anybody know of the existence of a Leeds United Supportersmailing list and 
if so would pass on the me either over the Newsor via E-Mail the contact 
address.Regards,Declan Mc Mahon
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Jul 27, 1993, 9:57:07 AM

The recently-founded Leeds United fanlist has now become a properlistserv list, 
so Whites fans everywhere are invited to subscribe tothe "new" list. (Most, but 
not all, of the members of the old mailalias list have been contacted with 
these details; apologies to anyoneout there who's been wondering what happened 
to their Leeds mail.)To subscribe to the list, send a message to 
list...@vax.ox.ac.UKwhich says this:
SUBSCRIBE LEEDS-UNITED Gordon Strachan
You put your own name in instead of Gordie's, of course -- thismeans that list 
members can see who you are if they want to whenthey "review" the list (more 
details on that when you subscribe).
To send messages to the list, you write to leeds-...@vax.ox.ac.UKand your mail 
is distributed to everyone currently subscribed.
Once you've been added to the list, you get a message back tellingyou so. It 
also contains important information about how to uselist...@vax.ox.ac.uk -- so 
it's best to hold on to it, maybeeven print it out, for future reference.
If you have problems getting on the list, get in touch with me: I canput you on 
myself if need be. However it's best for everyone tosubscribe themselves if 
possible, because that way the listserv knowsexactly what your address is. 
That's important because it only allowspostings to the list if the address in 
your mail corresponds exactly toyour address on the list.
I hope everything's clear; if not, get in touch with me (detailsbelow) and I'll 
try and sort things out.
Cheers,Gavin
==
Gavin Burnage gbur...@natcorp.ox.ac.ukBritish National Corpus 
gbur...@vax.ox.ac.ukOxford University Computing Services13 Banbury Road 
0865-273280 (work)OXFORD OX2 6NN 0865-273275 (fax)
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Re: [LU] Survived

[Mark Aked]

I've missed your thoughtful analysis so thanks for this Kevin.
I stayed at Tonga Towers in Majorca last week and expected to see KOT
dining in the Skybar there. They are missing a regal leader there,
especially for the quiz.
Best wishes on your retirement from work..hope the email transfer goes
smoothly - I hope this transfer  is on a free?
MarkA

On Mon, 23 May 2022, 18:10 Kevin Lewis - UK SBS via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> UK OFFICIAL
>
> Well I've not posted too much lately as I struggled to find anything
> positive to say.
> Relegation looked like the most likely scenario when the club failed to
> strengthen the team in January, and the never ending stream of injuries was
> going to be too much to overcome.
>
> The replacing of Bielsa with Marsch was always going to be a binary
> decision.
> Relegation = failure, Survival = Success.
>
> Whilst I thought some of his selections were a bit bizarre, he did not
> have a lot of choice.  He inherited a small injury-hit squad, with obvious
> short-comings even at full strength.
>
> Yesterday, I wondered what on earth Greenwood was doing in midfield.  But
> having him man-mark Erikson was a master-stoke.  Erikson was subdued by a
> younger man, apart from his set-pieces, and Greenwood even had time to get
> involved with the ball himself
>
> Going into the last game I put survival chances at 1 in 5.  But despite
> looking nervous, and even managing to vulnerable against 9 men, they got
> through.
>
> IMO 6 signings will be needed to be more comfortable next season, and that
> is without having to replace Raphinha which must be odds-on.  Hopefully
> Phillips will stay around for another season.
>
> Bielsa managed to get average players to perform super-humanly for 3
> years.  I thnik Marsch will have to rely on just getting better players to
> perform to expectations. But I think he deserves the chance with a squad
> that he will have at least some say in developing.
>
> All the best KOT.
>
> PS.  I am retiring from work on Thursday, so after nearly 30 ys will be
> unsubbing from the list with this address.
> Hopefully will be back from a new address as soon as I can work out how to
> do it, and John lets me go nomail so I catch up from the web digest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> UK OFFICIAL
>
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Re: [LU] view from the Kop

[Mark Tuffey]

Much earlier in the match I was screaming at the TV for our defenders to force 
Bown always right...understanding his weaker foot. But what does veteran Cooper 
do, he forces him inside onto his left where he can lash one towards goal. 
Shocking mistake and lack of awareness from our skipper.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Wiggy 

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 6:39 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] view from the Kop


Nick wrote:

> Yeah, on Firpo, I hadn’t how badly out of position
> he was for their first goal, until I saw the
> playback yesterday…that was woeful.

Yup, Alan and I had the same chat at the time. He wondered where the f**k he 
was to let the cross over, and I was surprised to spot him on the edge of the 6 
yard box…

Given what we also saw against Fulham, we need the likes of Cooper etc to reign 
him in a bit to stop his random wanderings…

Wiggy.
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Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

[Mark Smith]

Yes - nearly 30yrs!
Wow!

Can someone send a WhatsApp invite please?


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of James A. Lundon @ 
Yahoo! via Leedslist
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 9:08 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone!  I am still on a lot of 
old-style mailing lists so know better than many.  The only one that is going 
as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC 
IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and 
still moderator].  This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going since 
1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc.

We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th year 
of continuous operation.  This is a hugely impressive thing in and of itself.  
I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during that time, and 
everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself.  At least half the 
people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more.  We are not 
unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will decide whether we 
continue as we are or not.

The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it 
should never replace this mailing list.  Saying all that, the mailing list is 
only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or 
three people on a consistent basis.  Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed 
almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & 
high-quality match reports.  The more people who contribute to the list, the 
healthier it will be.

I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the 
fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more 
web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying habit 
of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire contents of the 
(digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or nothing that the 
mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do about that latter 
annoyance.  It has turned a few people off the list but we don't want to go 
down the road of moderating all contributions etc.

Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a 
different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, nor 
to look at them live on telly.  The latter is pretty much no longer the case.  
There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before too: 
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc.  We live 
in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in almost 
unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal experience.

We live in a much more "immediate" world than ever before too, which suits the 
WhatsApp model, while many of us are more reflective, which suits the e-mailing 
list model.  However, for the list to survive, the quantity, but especially the 
quality, of the contributions must stay high, otherwise, we will continue to 
die very slowly.  

Who else is willing to man that gap of keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high?  
Let's be having ya, Kevin Lewis and your always-excellent musings, or anything 
else that comes into that weird and wonderful mind of yours, KofT!

James.
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Re: [LU] Ruh roh

[Mark Tuffey]

I suppose Ayling. However, it shouldn't be Kalvin! Don't play our best player 
and team linchpin out of position.

Cheers
Mark



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish 

Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 7:55 AM
To: list leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Ruh roh

"Struijk, Robin Koch, Diego Llorente all out of tomorrow's match at
Newcastle. Bielsa still confident he has the resources to cope. Adam
Forshaw should be back in contention next week. #lufc"

https://twitter.com/PhilHay_/status/1438485939987394564?s=20

So... who's playing next to Cooper?

Ed.

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Re: [LU] LU The List?

[Mark Tuffey]

I've been here since...I'm not sure 95/96 and I can't imagine life without the 
list, even on life support.

I look forward to the reports from Rich, Dave and others after every match. 
Long may they continue.

As for the team. As much as I like Liam "Beckanbauer" Cooper and Luke "Roberto 
Carlos" Ayling they clearly aren't going to take us where we want to go. The 
sooner we can cut back on their number of first team appearances the better. 
They will remain legends for getting us back to the Premier League and for that 
I'll be endlessly thankful.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds


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Re: [LU] Everton

[Mark Tuffey]

I believe the pitch caused the first goal. Harrison slipped making a cross 
field pass that didn’t reach and was then intercepted and off Everton went.

Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 5:00 PM
To: Leeds leedslist ; Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Everton

Maybe I am in a minority but I think the first is Phillip's fault. You don't 
point at another player to take responsibility as he did to Cooper. It was his 
player who scored.
Nick
On Friday, February 5, 2021, 05:13:31 PM EST, Nick 
 wrote:

 agree with many of the sage comments since the game…”being happy after a 
defeat…?” who’d have thought it…

But just thought I’d add that the winger who got in the cross for their first 
goal did a first rate job. (That our defence was collectively yonderly, 
shouldn't detract from that…)

Nick

> On 4 Feb 2021, at 18:36, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
>
> I imagine after the first half yesterday which was just chaos, the reaction 
> in the dressing rooms was;
>
> Ancelotti - We cant go on like this - we need to get a grip
> Bielsa - More More More
>
> And as ever Bielsa was correct - and Everton couldnt keep going at the same 
> intensity - and we took control.
>
> I think Strujk was probably most at fault for the first goal - it looked like 
> he could have got across to the cross - but we should remember that he's 
> basically 5th choice centre-back (as Bielsa thinks Berardi plays there) - and 
> is playing most weeks this season.  So the defence isnt great but there is a 
> good reason why.  I think Cooper has actually been fine in the circumstances.
>
> Costa wasnt good but no worse than Pablo for example - whose loss of 
> possession nearly cost us a goal.  Both suffering from lack of game time.  
> Roberts always looks like he might make something happen - but never actually 
> does.
>
> Raphinha is fantastic - doubtful whether he'd be fit and he was going end to 
> end constantly. Most talented player since Kewell and with a better workrate
>
> Matt
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: t...@3lv.uk <mailto:t...@3lv.uk>
> To: "leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org <mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>" 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, 4 Feb, 21 At 16:06
> Subject: Re: [LU] Everton
> Pretty much exactly how I saw it Rich. For me, the following are all on my 
> "Should be sold or made into
> a squad player in the Summer" list (And no, I'm not being unnecessarily 
> negative just because we lost, just realistic!):
> Alioski. We're crying out for a left back, Squad.
> Cooper. We're now playing beyond his limits, Sell.
> Struyk. Young lad, I like him, just needs some experience. Keep, good back up.
> Costa. Waste of space. Sell.
> Pablo. Allow him his swansong at his home club in the Summer, with our 
> eternal gratitude!
> Isn't it weird how pre Leicester and Everton I'd have settled for 3 points 
> but, having beaten Leicester, I'm disappointed!!! We owe Palace, would like 
> to beat them (Zaha a doubt for them too). Raphinia is my new favourite 
> player, think he's precisely the level of player we need to attract.
> I still hate losing but rapidly get it in to context of where we are and 
> where we've been, was definitely the best Everton have played for a while too.
> StigOfTheOnTheUpDump
>
> On 2021-02-04 14:59, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
> It's not often I come away from a home defeat feeling pretty positive.
> For me, the 2nd half was one of the best so far and there's been some
> good ones thsi season. We ran a really impressive Everton team ragged
> and at times they just couldn't get out of their half. Their keeper
> did well and we fluffed a few half chances. The pitch for me was a
> worry in the first half but overall you have to say it was an
> improvement on the field that was dug up because it did allow us to
> play at tempo. The flip side of that was Everton were also allowed to
> play at tempo in the first half and they more than matched us. I
> didn't really rate them at Goodison but last night I thought they
> looked impressive in the first half and although I think 2-0 at
> half-time flattered them a bit, they showed that they had real pace
> and skill on the ball.
> The only real disapointement for me were the goals and the defending.
> We can say that we're happy with the squad but are we ? We've got a
> central defender effectively out for the season and another who is
> injury prone so we're reliant on League One Liam and the Ripper (God,
> he does look like Sutcliffe in his prime), who has played around 10
> first team games in his life. I heard Luke Ayling manfully owning up
> for allowing the cross 

Re: [LU] You're Leeds, and you know you are.........

[Mark Tuffey]

Was just thinking the same thing!
Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 7:15 AM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] You're Leeds, and you know you are.

Come on Lee.

You're Leeds, and you know you are.

Also, I'm sorry mate, but you still owe us bigtime for derailing our last
great team with your latenight shenanigans.

Now it's payback time.

You need to find a way to somehow motivate the useless plonkers you have
under your command to put together the Game of their Lives tonight. Then,
that job done, persuade them to put out the deckchairs and put their feet
up when they come to Elland Road.
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Re: [LU] David DRB Brennan

[Mark Smith]

Terrible News
I had some great times and curry with Dave through the 'ups and downs'
RIP

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Boocock
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:47 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] David DRB Brennan

Dear All,

Earlier this week we heard of the sad death of one of the earliest members and 
most loved characters from the list, David “DRB” Brennan. 
Not only was DRB a list regular in the 90s as a trawl through the archives held 
by James Lundon proved but he also wrote a lot of good stuff.

As a season ticket-holder he used to go to reserve matches at The Shay and (as 
well as Maggie Barber) post regular reports of the reserves’ 
progress. He was a regular source of ticket information and became very 
friendly with Mandy in the ticket office especially when trying to find out 
what times cup matches would be played and what the ticket allocations would be.

DRB and his wife Kate were part of a gang that regularly met pre-match (he was 
an Adolphi regular), he was at the MOALM and he was the man behind the 
sponsored head shave at the first Euronet in 1996.

Like others on the list he was a Northern Soul boy, coming from Horsforth what 
else would he be?

One of the friendliest, funniest and kindest blokes I have had the pleasure to 
meet he will always be the example I would use of what the list is about.

DRB leaves behind, Kate and the two boys Sid and Bradley and we have been in 
touch to send our sympathy. No date has been set for what will be a very small 
family funeral but his brother-in-law suggests there might be a memorial 
service in the future. The family has asked, if anyone wishes to, that 
donations are made to MIND which is a charity DRB supported. 
(https://www.mind.org.uk/donate/)

We checked with the family before we posted anything to the list and they were 
happy for us to do this. As we get more information, we will pass this on but 
in the meantime please enjoy the following post to the list from 1996, it’s 
typical of the DRB we knew and loved (that and the bloody song he wrote about 
Tomas Brolin!)

RIP DRB.

Betty

From:VBORMC:"hss...@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk" "D.R. BRENNAN" 
20-FEB-1996 11:22:41.54
To:leeds-uni...@vax.ox.ac.uk
Subj:LU: Interview

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, as your team selection for some games over the past 
few months has  been, shall we say, "innovative" what will be your policy for 
the Port Vale game?

HW: Well, all things considered, and bearing in mind that our players have had 
a hectic autograph signing session recently, and it will be a bit chilly, I 
think 11 players will suffice.

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, does this mean that even though your African players 
are back from international duty, you will not use them?

HW: All things being equal, Tony, Phil and Lucas are definitely players, and 
players want to play, want to play, but there can only be so many players, who 
play, so they may play a part in playing but it's not so warm for players who 
normally play, normally play, in a warmer climate.

Interviewer: It was suggested that in the Aston Villa game, you may have been 
better playing an attacking side, as the defence, containing so many 
youngsters, was unlikely to keep Villa out, offence being the best sort of 
defence.

HW: Youngsters, youngsters.  I was young once, and wanted to play, wanted to 
play.  You've got to give them a goal, I mean go, they may be short of pace, 
but Rob Bowman has got the same name as the Producer of the X Files, so who 
knows what might happen, might happen.  I picked the best side for the game, 
for the game.  When I start telling you where to use a metaphor instead of a 
simile, and when to employ onomatopoeic licence, then you can tell me how to 
pick and quarter of pick and mix, I mean a football team.

Interviewer:  There has been much discussion about Tomas Brolin's future at 
Elland Road.  Can you enlighten us as to the current situation?

HW: Tomas has got a white shirt, some people might say, might say, it still has 
Parmalat on it, but I say Thistle Hotels.  I know the shirts are the same 
colour, and that was a major consideration in buying Tommy.  I like continuity, 
like buying players from Sheffield, so buying a player who was used to wearing 
the same colour shirt fitted in well with our long-term plans. Brolly is happy 
wearing white and yellow trimmed with blue and if Brollywolly is happy, I'm 
happy, I'm happy.

Interviewer:  But Mr Wilkinson, Tomas Brolin is a world class player, do you 
think there will be a place for him in tomorrow's cup game against Port Vale?

HW: This could well be a bit of a clash, what with the colour of their shirts 
against the blue seats of Elland Road, I might find it difficult to follow 
their play, especially if I forget to take my yellow tinted motorway night 
driving glasses off, glasses off. Port Vale are a big side, strong.  We need  a 
team who can cope with this. They will throw everything 

Re: [LU] The Lard Update

[Mark Tuffey]

Fantastic stuff. I really enjoyed my two Lards experiences. A great bunch of 
lads.

Cheers
Mark



From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 4:14 PM
To: Jeremy Adams ; ni...@sykesonline.com 
; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] The Lard Update

Here it is, finally... https://youtu.be/XlRwfvGtufw

Betty

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Re: [LU] OK..........I'll take up Betty's challenge

[Mark Tuffey]

Fantastic read. Cheered me up to no end.

Cheers

Cheers
Mark



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:59 AM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] OK..I'll take up Betty's challenge

The old stadium could not have looked lovelier on this perfect Easter day,
packed to the rafters in glorious spring sunshine. The mood has been
nothing but celebratory, of course, ever since the 7-0 demolition of
Fulham, but we were all nevertheless outraged by the news that the FA had
banned Kalvin Phillips for the rest of the season as his hairstyle brings
the game into disrepute. Most people around me were in general agreement,
but found the timing highly questionable.

As expected, Berardi came in for Phillips, but not as expected, he actually
occupied KP's berth, leaving White in his normal spot. I was a bit confused
about the Stoke lineup as they seemed to be playing with 12 men. I wondered
if the FA had granted all teams a special disposition to field an extra
player against Leeds because otherwise Bielsa's boys just overwhelm
everybody, but then a lad behind me told me that Martins Indi is actually
one player with two names, not two players.

Stoke pulled the pathetic, infuriating and inevitably backfiring stunt of
making us kick towards the Kop first half. This seemed to annoy the lads,
and they were snapping into tackles right from the off. Berardi was booked
after 4 mins for upending both Martins and Indi with one plough. Stoke were
under the cosh, but finally ventured upfield and even registered quite a
good shot from the edge of the box. Meslier was forced into the first real
save he's had to make as a Leeds player and tipped it round the post
competently. The 19 optimists in red-and-white scarves got all excited,
although what the point of their Harry Potter chant was I couldn't fathom.
You fools, I thought..and sure enough, someone managed to head the
ball away from around the penalty spot, Klich touched it to Costa who raced
away with the ball. He spotted Harrison sprinting up the right wing and
played it on to him. Harry took it on a bit, cut inside onto his left foot,
and slid a lovely ball into the box for an onrushing white shirt, who swept
it imperiously into the top corner.

To everyone's amazement, the wearer of that shirt turned out to
beBerardi!

We kept on dominating, pinging the ball about, switching positions, working
not just triangles but complete bloody dodecahedrons. One Stoke player had
to have a new top brought on because he had been dragged about so much that
the stripes on his shirt were all twisted.

Harrison hit the bar. The lad behind me reckoned that this was the 13th
match in a row that Harrison had hit the woodwork and was sure it was a
World Record.

Butland in the Stoke goal was, of course, having the game of his life.

But eventually, on about the half hour mark, the second came. We swung a
corner into the mixer, it pinged about a bit before falling to, yes Berardi
again, and he lashed a volley into the roof of the net.

Two minutes later, after another lovely move saw the ball switched back to
Pablo, he touched it on to Berardi, about 35 yards out. Shot, cried the
crowd, predictably. What was not predictable was that he did shoot, and it
bent into the top corner like Billy's famous goal at Hampden Park. 3-0! Get
in!

Two minutes later, Berardi again tried to separate Martins from Indi and
received his second yellow card. He tried to get the ref to give him the
match ball before departing, but the bastard in magenta refused.

So, a lot to talk over at halftime. I was surprised to see that everyone
was drinking corona beer. I asked one lad why, and he said he wasn't sure,
but it seemed that one person kind of got the bug to drink it, and then it
seemed to spread like, er...a virus? Weird times.

In the second half, our 10 men were still too good for the 12 of Stoke, but
with a crowded easter programme ahead, we sensibly elected to just knock
the ball about and cruise home without any major alarums.

Scores on the doors:
Berra 10
Everyone else 8.75
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[LU] forest

[Mark Pilling]

Only the second game I've seen us deserve to lose.  Preston were better
than us, I'm afraid we deserved it ourselves today, though credit to forest
for holding their form and taking their chance.

The big problem as we all know is our poor ability to score.  Today, as
often, we are so unthreatening in their box.  I accept that breakaways will
mean opposition have a much better liklihood to score which is countered by
the number of chances we create by being on the front foot and creating so
many more chances. And that's OK with me. I'd rather watch Leeds than
Forest - or anyone.  (OK I'd always rather watch Leeds but you get my
meaning).  It's why I love Bielsa and dream that he stayswhat/who could
ever be better?

Buton corners against us, we are so under pressure, but while we pummel
their crowded box, corners, crosses, through balls, cut backs...it almost
never looks like we're going to score.  Today for prime example, we had
Cooper's header and what?  a couple that fizzed past everyone.

Anyway, hopefully we can calm down and find our belief, we have still been
good enough to be 2nd.  We play the best football of the League, we create
enough to compensate for our poor xG.  We can still do it.

For me today

4. Casilla.  I'd probably drop him.  Teach him to be muscular in his box
without a Sergio Ramos to protect him. I do rate him as a shot stopper and
superb distributer. BUT

4 Alioski.  Love him. But today it wasn't happening and then he lost his
head.

6. Ayling been disappointed with him lately but today, he looked better as
CB than he has at RBand at end of game, when everyone else was frantic
he at least kept cool and tried to play the game they know and trust.
dragged him up from a 5.

6. Cooper.  One I think didn't do much wrong, and so nearly scored. But no
real reason to go beyond 6.

6. White. Same. Not much wrong, not much to rave about.

5. Dallas. Generous? I'd have subbed him at HT for Shacks. We were offering
nothing in MF.

5. Sad to give this to Pablo. Tried. But it didn't work.

6. Klich. Probably my motm. even though he didn't really do much.

5. Costa. Still doesn't offer anything substantial.  Passenger.

6. Harrison. Worked hard. tried. only other motm opition. good touch and
presence. no final ball.

- Bamford. Hard to judge. No service. no contribution.

5 Roberts. Didn't provide anything.

- Kev no idea.

- Shack disappointed with his few touches, but too late to expect anything.

7 Ref. Thought he had a decent game.

Nowhere near the end.  If we play like we can (and score) we can still run
away with the league - whatever the result against Brentford even.  Just
hope the players continue to believe.
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Re: [LU] Goals

[Mark]

Second half Millwall were like Custer! Completely overrun and massacred! What a 
stunning 45 minutes. Well done!

Cheers
Mark


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Re: [LU] Goals

[Mark]

Well, we’re not boring to watch,

Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Joe Skinner 

Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:52:54 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Goals

Eddie scored for arsenal last night...

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Jan 2020, at 20:51, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>
> Oh yes it can
>
> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Mark 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:48:19 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Goals
>
> Where are the goals coming from? Ayling, Costa, Cooper?
> May as well see if the City kid can score. It can’t get any worse.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
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[LU] Goals

[Mark]

Where are the goals coming from? Ayling, Costa, Cooper?
May as well see if the City kid can score. It can’t get any worse.

Cheers
Mark

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[LU] What a Man!!

[Mark Pilling]

Quotes (?)  Marcelois amazing,  Plus, Ne=aeffy has my support fo r
consistent 'list pleasing' and general engagement of decades with the list
.x

"What we have to do is describe how things are and accept supporters and
the press judge us how they think we have to be judged. Every time the team
doesn’t win there is something around the club, some feeling of doubt, lack
of confidence and we understand this, but we have to know if we deserve
this or not. Also it’s useful to analyse the argument supporters and press
say what they claim on the team. Fair things I am forced to analyse, to
analyse you need arguments. So when we listen or read the demanding about
claims for what we are doing, we try to confirm if what people in general
say is true or not. This is very important to say this clearly. To the
supporters we are forced to give them, not to demand something. We have to
listen to them and not answer them. We are grateful with the supporters, we
listen and consider them. We respect what they say and after it’s the same
with the press on another level. We analyse if what you say is real or not.
If what you say is real, right, of course it’s a contribution for us. If
it’s not right or true it’s a mistake, we consider it.

Worship you MB
Love you RN

unf xx
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Re: [LU] Goals

[Mark]

First off, I didn't think my OP ignored facts. I appreciate Bruv Lee 
understanding my perspective and concerns.

I've been on this list sinceI don't know, around 1995 and Richard is the 
only person I've come across who takes the joy and interest out of contributing 
to the chatter. And there have been some characters and "wars" along the way. I 
always have a mental timer running to see how long until he posts a snide, 
snippy, arrogant, elitist, more knowledgeable than you remark. I'm glad to read 
that as usual, he meets my low expectations.

tick, tock

Cheers

Cheers
Mark



From: Richard Naef 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:49 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Mark ; Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
; Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Subject: RE: [LU] Goals

Sense of proportion, the ridiculous statements of the OP ignored the facts.  
This season is not the same as last, so many variables are different.  The 
first half of the season is a much better indication of this team than last 
season.  If we perform as well in the 2nd half as we did in the first we'll 
almost certainly get promoted.

-Original Message-
From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: 14 January 2020 23:41
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: Mark ; Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
; Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Subject: Re: [LU] Goals

Please refer to 2018/2019 season Richard - we are not doomed, but we may be 
doomed to repeat the outcome if we’re not careful!

Sent from my iPad

> On 14 Jan 2020, at 22:30, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
>
> weve the 2nd table, 3rd highest scorers, 2nd best goal difference, oh hang 
> on, forget that we're doomed...
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Mark 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:57:29 PM
> To: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) ; Leeds List 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: [LU] Goals
>
> At this point Bielsa and co. need to acquire a scorer or two from somewhere. 
> We carry far too many players who have limited to non-existant scoring 
> capabilities, basically everyone but Bamford, Harrison and Hernandez. For a 
> team that has so much possession and has so many corners for Ayling, White, 
> Cooper, Dallas, Costa, Klich, Alioski, Douglas, etc to have contributed so 
> few goals is a crime.  Watching their feeble efforts on goal is many times 
> very embarrassing.
> It's a miracle what Bielsa has been able to accomplish with such a limited 
> bunch of average players but Leeds cannot afford another season that 
> collapses into itself.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
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[LU] Goals

[Mark]

At this point Bielsa and co. need to acquire a scorer or two from somewhere. We 
carry far too many players who have limited to non-existant scoring 
capabilities, basically everyone but Bamford, Harrison and Hernandez. For a 
team that has so much possession and has so many corners for Ayling, White, 
Cooper, Dallas, Costa, Klich, Alioski, Douglas, etc to have contributed so few 
goals is a crime.  Watching their feeble efforts on goal is many times very 
embarrassing.
It's a miracle what Bielsa has been able to accomplish with such a limited 
bunch of average players but Leeds cannot afford another season that collapses 
into itself.

Cheers
Mark


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[LU] Dodged a Bullet!

[Mark Pilling]

Can you think of a manager that not only understands the 'Barca Way' but
could 100% make ALL their players better (inc LM)?

Phew!!

Hope to be shot down in flames for this (Marcelo is my Beautiful God).
...Fair enough that MB talks up PB to the media, but, does he seem to have
a blind spot re actually the ability to score goals?  Last season it was
lamentations that ununstandably we need a ridiculous amount of chances and
that goals scoring cannot be trained/taught.  This week he complained that
the problem rather than not scoring, is that we're conceding.
Isn't our profligacy a serious problem? Can't it be taught/trained (or
bought in)?

KOT. In my mind, I'd have swapped Ayling to get Pablo on, and put Dallas at
RB.  Then probably Alioski for Costa switching the ever improving JH
across, and possibly Shack for Klick.

For once fingers crossed for the window.

Luv xx
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[LU] Strikers

[Mark Pilling]

Thoughts?  Whilst I wish Bamford had the sniffing instincts of not even
Sniffer, but Becchio or Chapman, and as much as I wish Neketiah had not got
his bollock twisted and proved he was key to our appalling chances to goals
ratio, I reckon this is a spot on article.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/latest-leeds-united-news/why-arsenals-eddie-nketiah-has-failed-make-inroads-leeds-united-under-marcelo-bielsa-and-what-whites-need-now-1352543?fbclid=IwAR1iIXmkW4j-WRVwnWfWTvqX1pBzeaOL1-eYEMvkgN5erkDcXz3CgnfgKRI

Cheers

PS. For Christmas I asked Santa for a renewed contract for Marcelo. Please
Santa.
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[LU] Ah memories. 4-5 Liverpool

[Mark Pilling]

Yes, it took me back to that day - my last regular game at ER as I came to
live in the desert the next day - and some kind of retribution.  John
Barnes gave an absolute masterclass, believe we were waving our hankies at
him by 4-0 to them at half time. Only remember us doing that before for
Bowles and maybe Beagrie? and Marsh?? But then we came back, and, why
retribution? We certainly felt that it should have been 6-5 as Chapman had
what seemed two perfectly good goals disallowed for alleged fouls on the
keeper (don't think it was Grobbelar?).  Maybe in today's game they might
indeed be classed fouls on the keeper, but reviewing it then on TV I felt
certain they were just honest 50 50s .

thanks for the memories (and the 3 points and the fighting spirit) today.

xx
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[LU] It took till the second half of the season for us to get played off the park.

[Mark Pilling]

3 our two fair weather leaders Ayling Cooper. Shocking football and nil
positive influence. At least we know they're both regularly better
4 costa complete powder puff
5 Phillips Kilich Harrison Casilla  poor  Phillips maybe 3.5 for that late
corner gift.
6 Dallas Allisoki Bamford tried, showed some attitude
7 White Nketiah maybe not really 7s but generally decent.

Looking forward to this game with such relishand thinking how important
to enjoy these wonderful days under Marcelo as we'll be unlikely to get it
this good again...and for the first time, it seemed like MB didn't have any
real answer other than keep going and in the end they'll get tired.  No
plan B.  Bit I can't complain.
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[LU] post 3. no one better

[Mark Pilling]

(from Khalifa international stadium amongst the flamengos watching pretenders 
to our claim of the greatest team the world has ever seen)

didn't see our 2nd half but haven't we now played all teams in the league?  and 
not a single one bettered us (scorelines aside).  Wow!  first half was just 
left thinking...if only bamford was a goalscorer..thinking the likes of Chapman 
and becchio.

 these Brazilian fans are locos, crazy, brilliant.


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[LU] omg

[Mark Pilling]

dallas hits the post...but what's going on.  minute 22, Harrison onto
his right and plays a sublime ball in.

Has he been saving it for the defenders studying his utter lack of a right
just for this game???
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[LU] Wow Le Rouge et le Noir

[Mark Pilling]

Minute one.  Harrison, with confidence, cuts onto his right, and plays a
quality cross  As our magician pulls up with a hammy string :-(

COME ON LEDS
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[LU] what do i know?

[Mark Pilling]

spent a lot of the second half thinking "Bamford's contribution in this
game is not so significant that I hope we throw Eddie on early as I feel
he's the sniffer who'd be on the end of those cut backs, on the right side
of the defender when the crosses come in, who would bury those shots that
Paddy doesn't" when, on cue of Kiko's absolute worldie...I ate my
words.


& was just thinking while I'm loving he football we're playing, and loving
Marcelo as our leader more and more every day, I'm missing his beautiful
humanitarian philosophies now the pundits are talking just talking the game
with himso, this, rather mild, snippet pleased me

 "In my humble opinion, the most important is to try to make the supporters
value play and not just the result. To why the result happens, the
supporters have to be patient. This patience you need to wait for a result,
it’s stronger if the supporters love the play more than the result"

looking too far ahead, next season, it would be a lamentable disaster if we
weren't to be promoted and he were to walk.  If we do finally return, would
he stay, would he value the play if we didn't get results, would the owners
be patient if he valued the play and didn't get results, would we value the
play for long without the results.
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[LU] White

[Mark]

Can Brighton recall or sell White in January? What are our options to buy him?

Cheers
Mark

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Re: [LU] Preston 1-1

[Mark]

I agree the chances are there but it is shockingly consistent and beyond 
unlucky how poor ALL our players are at even hitting the target let alone 
scoring.
Cheers
Mark


From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:19:17 PM
To: Joe Skinner ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
; Mark 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston 1-1

I must have been watching a different game. We could easily have been 6-0 up at 
half time. We created plenty of chances. Just could not score.

Nick

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 07:50:17 PM EDT, Mark  
wrote:


I get injuries have forced these attackless, goal shy, can’t cross misfits to 
play such as Ayling, Dallas and Berardi but it’s is so frustrating.
And Costa he isn’t worth a million let alone what we are on the hook for.
Despite the dross we are second. Amazing.

Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:29:50 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston 1-1

I’ve kind of given up

I don’t have a season ticket so can’t be a serial moaner

It will be what it’ll be

This season or never

As much as the manager has improved the players he inherited- and massively so 
- we are utterly predictable

From literally picking the same team week in week out to picking it days before 
- confidence, over confidence, whatever. I kind of get it but the team isn’t 
really delivering

They seem tentative. Maybe we expect too much. I know I do. I just want to get 
out of this league, not that getting promoted is the b all and end all - the 
money is better

It is what it is, endlessly frustrating but such is life



Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2019, at 23:08, John Lee via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> Absolutely agree - overwhelmingly in control of the game, 250 corners, yet 
> not one player with a killer attacking instinct, so we overplay our approach 
> play time and time again.
>
> Once Eddie came on we had a threat, and he delivered, but we were oh so 
> predictable in front of goal again. What I don’t really understand is why we 
> don’t play, or buy, genuinely attack minded players. In Nketiah, and Ryan 
> Edmondson, we have players who know how to score. I don’t really know why 
> Ryan wasn’t given a chance at the back end of last season - he might be raw, 
> young etc, but he seems a distant memory now. With Nketiah, he’s just not 
> getting enough game time. One other who scored lots for the stiffs - Jack 
> Clarke - I’ve no idea why he’s stuck at Leeds, but we desperately need some 
> spark in front of goal.
>
> I don’t know what has happened to Alioski either.
>
> Who knows, in a tight league we might turn out to be one of the best of the 
> bunch, but f*** me it’s frustrating.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 22 Oct 2019, at 22:08, 
>> mailto:ni...@sykesonline.com>> 
>> mailto:ni...@sykesonline.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'll be honest - I'm not enjoying watching us play at all anymore.  Every
>> game is the same, and it is SO predictable.  You could describe the way the
>> game went without even seeing it and be 95% right, every time.  My heart
>> rate doesn't even go up during the game anymore.  Not even when we scored.
>>
>> I just can't understand how we can't do something to change the way we act
>> in the final third.  It is Bielsa's big flaw that he can't do anything to
>> change this.
>>
>> I must point out that I would have felt exactly like this, win, lose or draw
>> tonight.  I'm just so sick of it.
>>
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>> (the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] Preston 1-1

[Mark]

I get injuries have forced these attackless, goal shy, can’t cross misfits to 
play such as Ayling, Dallas and Berardi but it’s is so frustrating.
And Costa he isn’t worth a million let alone what we are on the hook for.
Despite the dross we are second. Amazing.

Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Joe Skinner 

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:29:50 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston 1-1

I’ve kind of given up

I don’t have a season ticket so can’t be a serial moaner

It will be what it’ll be

This season or never

As much as the manager has improved the players he inherited- and massively so 
- we are utterly predictable

From literally picking the same team week in week out to picking it days before 
- confidence, over confidence, whatever. I kind of get it but the team isn’t 
really delivering

They seem tentative. Maybe we expect too much. I know I do. I just want to get 
out of this league, not that getting promoted is the b all and end all - the 
money is better

It is what it is, endlessly frustrating but such is life



Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2019, at 23:08, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>
> Absolutely agree - overwhelmingly in control of the game, 250 corners, yet 
> not one player with a killer attacking instinct, so we overplay our approach 
> play time and time again.
>
> Once Eddie came on we had a threat, and he delivered, but we were oh so 
> predictable in front of goal again. What I don’t really understand is why we 
> don’t play, or buy, genuinely attack minded players. In Nketiah, and Ryan 
> Edmondson, we have players who know how to score. I don’t really know why 
> Ryan wasn’t given a chance at the back end of last season - he might be raw, 
> young etc, but he seems a distant memory now. With Nketiah, he’s just not 
> getting enough game time. One other who scored lots for the stiffs - Jack 
> Clarke - I’ve no idea why he’s stuck at Leeds, but we desperately need some 
> spark in front of goal.
>
> I don’t know what has happened to Alioski either.
>
> Who knows, in a tight league we might turn out to be one of the best of the 
> bunch, but f*** me it’s frustrating.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 22 Oct 2019, at 22:08,   
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'll be honest - I'm not enjoying watching us play at all anymore.  Every
>> game is the same, and it is SO predictable.  You could describe the way the
>> game went without even seeing it and be 95% right, every time.  My heart
>> rate doesn't even go up during the game anymore.  Not even when we scored.
>>
>> I just can't understand how we can't do something to change the way we act
>> in the final third.  It is Bielsa's big flaw that he can't do anything to
>> change this.
>>
>> I must point out that I would have felt exactly like this, win, lose or draw
>> tonight.  I'm just so sick of it.
>>
>> Nigel
>> (the Dublin one)
>>
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Re: [LU] V Preston

[Mark]

Does any other team have a worse rate for scoring from corners than we do?


Cheers
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Re: [LU] LUTV

[Mark Smith]

LUFC Website seems to be down again - can't even order the game
Anyone got a streaming link? 


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ari-Pekka Mahlio
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 10:31 AM
To: Nigel Sykes 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

Didnt got it at all from LUTV. Then found a stream in youtube and saw the 
second half.

la 19. lokak. 2019 klo 17.50  kirjoitti:

> Came on for me in the 41st minute of play.  Useless wankers...
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin and sometimes France one)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ari-Pekka 
> Mahlio
> Sent: 19 October 2019 14:55
> To: Nicholas Armit 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV
>
> Doesn't work here in Finland either
>
>
> aaPee
>
> la 19. lokak. 2019 klo 16.35 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) kirjoitti:
>
> > not working for anyone?
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Re: [LU] 1-0

[Mark]

Harrison also setup Alioski who decided to avoid scoring and couldn’t hit the 
target from the six yard box.


Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Gardiner 

Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 10:40:09 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] 1-0

Not exactly an accident. Harrison does that all the time. It’s an intended 
result of the lineup Bielsa throws out there every week.

Michael Gardiner
San Diego Whites

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> On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:00 AM, "leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org" 
>  wrote:
>
> From: ni...@sykesonline.com 
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 6:12:38 PM
> To: Richard Naef ; 'leeds list' 
> 
> Subject: RE: [LU] 1-0
>
> Eddie didn't do much to be honest.  He didn't miss as many as Bamford, but 
> that's a double-edged sword.  Berra did nothing mental.
>
> We were pretty poor in the 2nd half though, and really clung on for a win.
>
> To be honest, nothing changes.  I've said it before, sometimes we'll nick a 
> goal, sometimes we'll ship one. Today's goal came from a ball steal in their 
> 1/3rd which was in the back of the net 3 touches later - so no time to think 
> and slow it all down to a crawl like we usually do.  Kalvin's shot wasn't 
> great, as it was straight at the keeper, but it managed to get under him and 
> into the net.
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] LUTV

[Mark]

Same here, watching some dodgy Facebook stream.
Cheers

Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of 
ni...@sykesonline.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:55:25 AM
To: 'Nicholas Armit' 
Cc: 'Leeds List' 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

Yeah, me too… some tattooist fella!  Thank God for folk prepared to put 
themselves out for the rest of us.

Makes you question why you ever consider paying the club for anything…

Nigel



From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: 19 October 2019 15:53
To: 'Ari-Pekka Mahlio' ; ni...@sykesonline.com
Cc: 'Leeds List' 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV



Was watching some stream from some bloke's living room.



Nick



On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 10:50:43 AM EDT, mailto:ni...@sykesonline.com> > wrote:





Came on for me in the 41st minute of play.  Useless wankers...

Nigel
(the Dublin and sometimes France one)

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From: Leedslist mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> > On Behalf Of Ari-Pekka Mahlio
Sent: 19 October 2019 14:55
To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com> >
Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> >
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

Doesn't work here in Finland either


aaPee

la 19. lokak. 2019 klo 16.35 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist (
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Re: [LU] Beradi

[Mark]

Late to the Berardi nonsense. But before kick-off when I say to my son 
"Berardi, well he won't last the game"...says something about his ability to 
play within the limits of the laws and interpretations.
He is a liability.

and...3-2-1

Cheers
Cheers
Mark


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Re: [LU] Thank you

[Mark]

Agreed, a massive thanks to those that write match reports.

Cheers
Mark (wiscoleeds)


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Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 5:53:03 PM
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Subject: [LU] Thank you

Thanks to the listers who posted reports, puts things back in proportion, glass 
now full.

Sent from my Mobile.

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[LU] Pablo Hernandez

[Mark Pilling]

Sorry Rich.my glass is half full

10/10  what a display of passing!! (and yes, I saw the crap ones too).

Magician!
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[LU] How to attend one league match this season

[Mark Pilling]

Hi gang

popped into England for my Dad's funeral, thinking of going to the
Brentford &/or Stoke Cup games.
looks like I have to buy a Gold membership though to be able to get tickets
(and it'll cost me 50).

Is that true?


They used to have overseas members, silver members etc.  Do any of those
still exist?

Cheers

ps.  today's game.  shame we scarcely used Pablo out on the right.
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[LU] 5 9

[Mark Pilling]

Hm.
not one for demanding signing after signing, I was hoping, in this order, this 
summer to see:

bielsa signed for another year.

(big gap)


a goals scoring striker
a central defender.

We have acquired 2 of the above (including the most important).  but also lost 
2 of the above.
yikes.

I had hoped that bielsa would/must be a pull for aspirational players/loanees, 
but we don't seem to have taken advantage.

tell me not to worry



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[LU] Article on Pontus

[Mark Pilling]

Thought this was an interesting piece summarising what Pontus brought to
Leeds and why it has ended in tears.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/leeds-united-pontus-jansson-transfer-16548242
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[LU] Pontus

[Mark Pilling]

Trust Marcelo more, but sad if true that Pontus is off.

Great character. Made a massive improvement to our defending corners, and
seemed more able than ten bob for'ead Cooper when attacking them.  However,
last few games of the season, I felt he and Kiko were becoming a bit of a
liability, and, granted he turned up after Marcelo's last pre-season
started, he seemed vulnerable to being pressured on the break (quite common
under MB), and the least 'ball playing' of the defence.
I do fear that we'd be likely to severely miss his robust set piece
defending and what a shame if he's leaving under a cloud.  We love(d) him
and he surely love(d) Leeds.

cheers unnnf
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[LU] non lu var. Fwd: Rules taking over the game

[Mark Pilling]

totally agreedas I wrote to f365 last month:



Sad.

I fear we are becoming rule chasers, forgetting the game we used to love.
Really, did the 'handball' that gave Liverpool the Champions League deserve
to be punished with a goal? It was a maybe cross that touched his arm. Give
them a free kick if you have to give something.
And then, Lingard's boot was a centimetre ahead of the Dutch back line.
Gaining an advantage? Was he ahead of the defence? A few years ago, to get
a bit of the spirit of the game back, they talked about daylight between
the attacker and the defenders.  Where was the spirit in calling tonight's
'goal' offside?

All for VAR and getting decisions right, but we should beware of letting
the rules overtake the game.

Cheers
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Re: [LU] into Extra time in the other semi

[Mark Pilling]

exactly my thoughts, watching Smith constantly being upset, appealing, moaning 
and acting hard done by, and the players behaving similarly, including moaning 
away at each other, I was thinking it must be a pretty toxic environment around 
the club and no fun to play for (excepting of course the ridiculous salary and 
ubiquitous hero worship).

Anyway, lucky stuff (*) on for tonight.
Come on Leeeds

M


From: Robert Heath 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:43 am
To: Mark Pilling
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] into Extra time in the other semi

A lot of it has to be down to Smith. He is my new #1 hate figure. If you 
remember the Brentford match at ER they were all about diving and moaning, and 
a very weak ref fell for it alland of course Smith was their 
manager then.


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wow!

hope villa don't get past baggies.  what an annoying set of constantly
moaning diving complaining, ref pressuring cheating brats. super horrid.
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[LU] into Extra time in the other semi

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wow!

hope villa don't get past baggies.  what an annoying set of constantly
moaning diving complaining, ref pressuring cheating brats. super horrid.
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[LU] HT

[Mark Pilling]

My first half:

Dominant, superior...except for the lack of shots

Phillips and Beradi rocks
we've seen the best and worst of Luke
if Viduka was half a yard short of pace, Klich is half a something short -
almost but not quite.  Enjoyed his effort at Saiz passing in their box.
Pablo as engaged as ever, should we try swapping him and Shackleton? hope
we can get him a bit more space.
Scapegoats Dallas and Harrison doing decent.
Roofe's clever runs starting to be a nuisance - hope it's his shots next
half.

Ref - well, if i were Frank Fair Play Media Darling, my half time talk
would be, gently lower yourself to the floor if Leeds hit the back of the
net, or we're in dangerous free kick territory - and game's ours.

btw.  Was it the same player that pulled Pablo back in front of the ref,
and then flew in two footed studs up on Luke...and got a gentle word??

COME ON LEEEDS
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[LU] English Managers Are the Fairest Players

[Mark Pilling]

Watching Villa West Brom and lovely to see Their teams are such sporting
rule following goody goodies.

Today Hourihane (not guilty of  2.48.1.4   "at least two matches for
assaulting (elbowing, punching, kicking etc.) an opponent or a person other
than a match official" sportingly plays and scores for Villa.

Grealish gets flattened in the box (despite no contact), Villa sportingly
accept the penaltyscored by

Abrahams who charmingly piles into a Baggie knocking him over in their area
and denying a chance to shoot, so sportingly feigns a head injury and avoid
punishment and penalty.

They then sportingly pressure the ref into sending Gayle off for
legitimately challenging for a 50/50 ball as the keeper sportingly writhes
in the phantom agony of his sock getting close to Gayle's boot.  Man's
game, eh?

But truly sporting of DG to get a red card and 2 game ban in recognition of
his Bamford like rolling theatrics and fake head injury when his neck had
been stroked earlier in the game.

What a shame those dirty Argies/Leeds Scum sully our fair and beautiful
game.

Bitter, moi?

COME ON YOU WHI-ITES!!
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[LU] Come on Leeds!

[Mark Smith]

It's time to reward us for our loyalty.

MOT!


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[LU] Fair Play

[Mark Pilling]

Dear Mr Smith

Understanding your expectation of fair play and leveling the playing field,
we appreciate that you will be excluding Mr Hourihane from your next two
games.

Thank you
xx
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[LU] Question

[Mark Pilling]

What a season so far!

Adore Bielsa, what he's done with our mediocre bunch! The football we've
played. His philosophies, behaviour and manner.

Love the attitude of the players, willing to learn, to work, to will and
believe.

Love that I've been able to watch every game on my TV.

My question.why are we so 'inefficient' and how can we become more
efficient?

Is it the quality of the front men?
Or the service they are getting?
Are we too good? (so many teams just parking the bus)
Are we too predictable?
Don't we know how to unpick a packed defence?
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[LU] you heard it here first

[Mark Pilling]

Leeds 6-0 WBA

Been waiting to happentonight's the night.

Rob, any sight of those Macaws?  And where's OzPete with the beer trolley?
My vodka's empty already.

Cheers
Nif
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Re: [LU] international video

[Mark Smith]

Its working now thanks

 

 

Mark Smith

Victoria Capital

408 353 9784

 

From: Richard Naef  
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:58 AM
To: 'Leeds List' ; Mark Smith

Subject: Re: [LU] international video

 

I was able to complete it without a problem. Do u have adblockers installed.
Otherwise:

https://youtu.be/wVvab0bSGxY

Sent from my mobile

 

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mailto:m...@victoriacapitalinc.com> >
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Anyone else having issues buying the live stream?
It gets to the place where I click pay and nothing happens

Any other streams online?


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Subject: [LU] 3 1 ft

Nealy got a 4th when Halme (again impressive) rampaged down the pitch,
played it to Stevens and his good cross was played by a defender onto the
post, the rebound was blasted over by Kun So another good performance by a
number of players inc Huffer who commanded his area well - pretty much all
of them look like they could be called into the first team (as a few inc
Shack and Clarke have already done this season) and not look out of place
The future does look good if this lot can progress Would love to see
Edmondson get his chance on the bench before the season is out Dave
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[LU] international video

[Mark Smith]

Anyone else having issues buying the live stream?
It gets to the place where I click pay and nothing happens

Any other streams online?


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] 3 1 ft

Nealy got a 4th when Halme (again impressive) rampaged down the pitch, played 
it to Stevens and his good cross was played by a defender onto the post, the 
rebound was blasted over by Kun So another good performance by a number of 
players inc Huffer who commanded his area well - pretty much all of them look 
like they could be called into the first team (as a few inc Shack and Clarke 
have already done this season) and not look out of place The future does look 
good if this lot can progress Would love to see Edmondson get his chance on the 
bench before the season is out Dave 
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[LU] Training with Bielsa

[Mark Pilling]

Haven't seen this posted/mentioned. thought it might interest:

https://www.socceriqeducation.com/bielsa-observations.html



Leeds were set to face QPR on Sunday at 2pm in the FA Cup, so in all
honestly I came into the visit not exactly too sure of what I was about to
experience. I naturally expected something resembling a generic pre-game
preparatory session, fine-tuning a few details before tomorrows game. But
as we reached the fields, I already knew this was going to be something a
little out of the ordinary. This is a Bielsa team after all.

Once we got down to the fields, 5 fields were prepped and ready to be put
to use, each one sprinkled with mannequins, and each one created for a
different purpose and area of the pitch. As the players headed out to the
field, the make-up of the squad consisted of around 13 first-team players,
8 u23 players, and 5 u18 players, with some players coming back from injury
on another small field for a total of around 29 players training that day.

Goalkeeper Coach Marcos Abad had a small area set up behind us to begin
work with Bailey-Peacock Farrell and Will Huffer, and his themes for the
session focused around tipping high balls, near-post angles from cut-back
crosses, and reacting to make double saves inside 10-12 yards.

On what seemed to be the main field, there were 6 mannequins set up in the
attacking third. Midfielders Lewis Baker, Adam Forshaw, and Tyler Roberts
left the core group (who went to warm-up on another empty field) and
immediately began working with Assistant Coach Diego Flores on some
triangulating movement patterns & combination play. This was fairly intense
and included lots of repetition and sharp movement over 15 yard spaces.

Carlos Corberan (Leeds United’s First team Coach and Head Coach of the
u23’s) took 5-6 players over to one field, where he worked them through a
very specified passing pattern to replicate playing out of pressure and
manipulating the opponents shape to exploit spaces in wide areas. This went
on for roughly 15 minutes, and the pattern was obsessively replicated, with
extremely fine details touched on by Corberan in terms of angles of
reception to the ball, and disguises in body shape when looking to play
into the next zone.

On another field adjacent, a few other Assistant Coaches worked with a
small group of 5 u18 / u23 players. Again, there were mannequins set up in
a specific shape, and this group were focusing on building out from the
Goalkeeper into the middle third in high intensity bursts. The phase of
play itself lasted no more than 10 seconds, but the pattern was repetitive
and diligent. Players had cues of exactly when to move into targeted
pockets of space either in front of, or behind certain colored mannequins.
Everyone knew their part within the pattern, and the detail was intriguing
to watch.

After the 15 minute warm-up via some passing patterns and agility, the core
group of players headed onto the main field to begin the main chunk of the
session. By this point, The equipment staff and Assistant Coaching staff
had set up an opposition formation (via mannequins) in the attacking half
of the field. I had an idea this was going to be some focus on team shape
in transitions, and sure enough it was. This was probably my most
intriguing part of the day, as the attention to detail was astounding.
iPads with numerous members of the coaching staff, filled with specific
visual movements for each player to observe and then produce when it was
time to execute certain shifts in shape.

The shifts in shape were short bursts, yet quick and inventive. I’d like to
say I fully understood the tactical transitions completely but I didn’t, as
they happened so quick and there were 4 or 5 varied patterns in which each
player knew their exact next move. You’d hear a number called out loud by a
staff member, and out of nowhere the #2 was suddenly on a full sprint into
the #8 position, while the #9 would turn into the #11 and the #11 would
become the #10 as the #10 became the #9 (for example). All this happening
within about 5 seconds.

It is also worth noting how fascinating it was to see the staff to player
ratio in the ongoing sessions. As I looked around the numerous fields in
use, there must have been a 1-to-3 ratio in every capacity at any moment.
The players had plenty of observant eyes on them, but also plenty of
willing coaches ready to help and tweak any glitches in preparation that
may arise during the session. No stones were left unturned, and it was also
quite surprising to me how often the staff would stop exercises and bring
the group in to watch more iPad footage or to to get some tactical points
across. For many of us, a very contrasting notion in comparison to the new
way we are taught to coach in terms of “let the players play”.

Nevertheless, as much as I would love to share the actual session diagrams
with everyone, and the meticulous approach to pattern play in which Bielsa
is renowned for, I unfortunately 

[LU] Question re New Fair Play RUles

[Mark Pilling]

Ian Holloway on Bielsa:

“I think he singled out Leeds because of the new fair play rules, you’re
only going to be able to spend a certain amount of money very soon and
Leeds will be a big, big club again very, very soon.”

I missed this change - is it going to be the end of parachute advantage?
what new rules is he referring to?
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[LU] Sent by the Don

[Mark Pilling]

omg

each week I'm more and more in love!

simply drooled watching the Derby game.

and now...our modern day Revie's filessensational dossiers...wow wow
and wow

MOT!!!
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Re: [LU] Press conference

[Mark]

Or a lucrative new sponsorship deal with a major binocular manufacturer.

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: [LU] Press conference

To show off our new keeper ?


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[LU] Stamp Us Out

[Mark Pilling]

Stuart Pearce: b*stard who denied Tony Dorigo his deserved century of caps
on Sky Sport:
Yeah, old mates call each other to find out if they're in the opposition
team or not. "Goes on all the time. Fair game"
But our Bielsa "crossed the line, That's not how we do things. Needs
punishing. Make the punishment fit the crime.  Would be perfect to [give
Frank-the-lad the points] reverse the result of the game." (admitting that
in absolutely no way did the spying make any difference whatsoever to the
result.)

Trust the Leeds fans will show MB the love and he sticks it in the face of
all those luddite xenophobic 'proper English football' vulgarians.

We are Leeds
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[LU] 2-0 and checking out the opposition

[Mark Pilling]

wonderful performance all round.

am i too leeds? or is all this outcry about spying a bit ott?
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Re: [LU] Baker?

[Mark]

Pretty even but Davis is awful. It’s like playing with 10 men or worse Stuart 
Dallas

Cheers
Mark


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Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:42:25 AM
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Subject: [LU] Baker?

Is it just me, but Baker can't seem to pass the ball.

ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] Forest and January signings

[Mark]

Me too

Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 5:38:23 AM
To: Roger Goodair; Robert Heath
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Subject: Re: [LU] Forest and January signings

I agree completely.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:00:52 AM
To: Roger Goodair
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest and January signings

Actually, i am thrilled that, 2-1 up away with 10 men and 30 mins to go, we
just kept on bombing forward. It didn't work out this time, but ultimately
I am convinced such a positive approach will reap benefits. Plus I am just
LOVING watching Lufc play such great football.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:28 PM Roger Goodair via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>Out of lurkdom for five minutes to show my age and frustration.
>I'm with Simon M 100% and Rich with regard to the lack of a plan B.
>We need to sign a new a new keeper NOW. This young man (he's not a
>young kid so let's stop making excuses for him) is going to cost us
>promotion. A good keeper gains you as many points as a good striker and
>BPF has already cost us many points this season. AGE ALERT - Sprake was
>in the team at 16 and was a better keeper than BPF with one arm tied
>behind his back!! As Simon M also said we need another centre back and
>another striker - even if Bamford does come back very shortly. I note
>that Eddie Howe is about to release Defoe - he'll do for me on a short
>term contract.
>I know it appears to be very churlish of me to criticise MB, but I'm
>gonna do anyway - absolutely no plan B other than to bring Clarke on,
>who to be fair changed the game yet again for 20 minutes. Down to 10
>men and we've worked our way back in to the game and even got a 2-1
>lead. Call me old fashioned if you must (and I know you will!)  but
>what's wrong with closing a game out these days? Make some subs and
>stick 4 or 5 at the back and kill the game against a shite forest team.
>Anyone remember 0-0 at the bridge when we only had 9 men?!  AGE ALERT -
>The Don will be turning in his casket at throwing 3 points away there
>yesterday.
>Back to lurkdom in pattaya.
>Cheers  - Rogerre
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[LU] How good is BPF?

[Mark Pilling]

Somewhat tongue in cheek subject there, but.

Was it Naeffy or irc Beerman Castlehouse who mentioned:

"top of the league, playing with a makeshift defence and still 2nd
lowest goals conceded."

I've been increasingly impressed watching Baily. Especially, when he
has the ball, the intelligent confident use he is making of it,
fitting our current style and build up. He also has a presence in the
box that many previous have lacked only very occasionally getting
caught out, only real criticism is letting in one or two distance
shots/free kicks that all the commentators cliche "He will be
disappointed/should have got that". (I'm no keeper, but know the goals
are big when you stand in them - and he has made some great saves
too).

He seems to have grown in stature/maturity. And, I was not sure what
they meant by the importance of keepers ability to use the ball, but
watching BPF, i think I get what they're on about.

Certainly impresses me more that Carson ever did.

My tuppennies.


xx
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[LU] No transfers in. (A Love Story)

[Mark Pilling]

O Marcelo exudes class, experience, confidence & wisdom.  Every time I
hear/read his words, I fall more in love.  Top top top football man.

"When a new player comes he doesn’t have the same advantage as the ones who
are present. He has to adapt to the team, the style of work, the city, the
club.

For the second part of the season, . Apart from the situation where the
team needs someone, the possibility of having a player is clear, we won’t
buy anyone.

I prefer instead of buying to improve the quality of the work because the
team usually reflects the quality of the players’ individualities, but it’s
also linked to the training they receive and you also can improve a team
when you improve the equipment."
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Re: [LU] Further thoughts after Bramall Lane

[Mark]

Maybe because it looks like he is running in treacle all the time.
Cheers
Mark



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Alec 

Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Robert Heath
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Further thoughts after Bramall Lane

Why isn’t SS getting in the starting 11? Seems odd to me when he seems to be 
our best player? Does Bielsa consider him a luxury player?

Cheers
A

> On 3 Dec 2018, at 7:54 am, Robert Heath  wrote:
>
> Couple of other thoughts:
>
> 1. I didn't like the look of the Sheff teamsheet. Sharp & McGoldrick are
> both serial scorers against us, and that little ginger dweeb Duffy ran
> rings around our midfield last season. But that was all then, and this is
> now: This is the Bielsa Era, and things seem to be different. McGoldrick
> actually played really well (even though, as we all know he should have
> been sent off), but he didn't score.
>
> 2. Far be it for me to second guess Marcelo Genius, but I must admit I
> would have liked to see him bring Saiz on once they had 2 or 3 midfielders
> on yellows. Everyone in this league knows that the only way of stopping SS
> is to foul him, and those players would have had a tricky time trying to
> stop him whilst on a yellow. But maybe Bielsa had already realised that
> that ref wasn't going to red card any of their players, no matter what they
> did.
>
> I'll be at Elland Road for the QPR game...my first of the
> season...can't wait!
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[LU] Just wondering

[Mark Pilling]

you know I love Marcelo.  And no O'Leary, Blackwell et al dodging
responsibility either, taking it full on the chin.  Not BPF, Not Dallas,
Not the players.  All my fault.  Nice.


He said the aim was not to concede the ball in our half, where it would
hurt us.  But that's what happened.


Is it just that our defenders are not up to passing it to each other when
under pressure?  Had Marcelo told them, instead of playing the high tempo
game, to take it nice and easy and careful and not lose possession.  Which
they tried, and failed?

And wasn't that what seemed to be happening when Mr
I-was-at-Barcelona-with-Johann-Cruyff-and-Total-football's team got found
out by Millwall and then everyone? Christensen seemed to want them to build
up patiently from the back, which i thought proved his undoing.

This time, though I'm sure Bielsa will have figured out ways to overcome
this.


I still think, we have a team of average championship players, but a coach
of real quality who is proving that just 'buying players' is not the
answer, better to improve what you've got individually and collectively.
And we have a chance.  fingers crossed. MOT
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[LU] Santa, for new year I'd like

[Mark Pilling]

Dear Fernando

Fancy joining your old mate on a loan spell at Leeds? When the forests come
and park their buses, it would be so nice to bring you into the box to get
on the end of all those balls pablo, samu, gianni and maybe jack will be
popping in there.

Wonder if anyone saw the same game
7 BFP (unless he should have organised his defence for the goal)
6 Luke
5 Pontus
6 Cooper
5 Stuart
6 Philips
6 Klick (starts really well though seems to fade?)
7 Pablo - wow, what desire
6 Alioski flawed but i like those crosses
6.5 Adam impressed
6 Roofe
6 Tom
6.5 Clarke more if there'd been a whole game of it
6 Samu

Come on Marcelo, teach and train them how to beat the bus.  and defend
crosses.  Still, I love what you've already done with these players and
want you to stay for years.
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[LU] brentford seen from the rose tinted desert

[Mark Pilling]

Hmm.  Not dismayed by today's game.  I thought Brentford were
impressive and it reminded me that Bielsa has inherited a bunch of regular
(mid-table) players, whom he is shaping into the proverbial silk purse*
through his brand of motivation, inspiration, hard work, confidence,
reputation, player-management and no excuses coaching.  We just about held
our own in the face of clever and skillful opposition.
since we seem to be slagging the players off, I'll try to be a bit more
generous.

BFP. 7. Confident and commanding if not always perfect. Nice.
Ayling 5 or less. Not a great day, though it can happen to all of us and
he's been great for us.  Interesting to see whether we improve during his
ban.
Pontus. 7 just.  Goal, passion, some quality defending but got mugged/made
obvious fouls once or twice too.
Cooper. 6. just. have been impressed this season but shades of
chiristenson-day panic trying to stroll out the back under pressure
Dallas. 6 just. not the worst replacement we could've had.
Alioski 7. 6 as a winger, but 8 at left back.
Harrison. 6.5. Has to find a bit more end product.
Saiz. almost 6. his presence has an effect, but his play didn't really
produce much.  Not sure how much blame can be laid at his door. They marked
him out and we failed either to release him, or use the freedom that
allowed us elsewhere.
Klich almost 7. looked imperial at the off, but dwindled all the way to
getting subbed off.
Phillips just a 6. couldn't stop their 3 on his own. didn't look like it
either really. Unlucky not to score.
Roberts. 7+ looking stronger - both mentally and physically, popped up in
useful positions, made somethings happen.
Forshaw. disappointingly didn't see anything to get excited about but no
eal issues either.
Clarke. Nice positive cameo from the youngster.
Baker. A couple of close things.
Ref. o dear. wanting to prove (to himself?) that he isn't going to be
swayed by the crowd shows he doesn't have the necessary confidence to ref
games at this level. yet.
Marcelo 10. A delight.




*maybe unfair, the lads weren't really a sow's ear.
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[LU] yes!

[Mark Pilling]

We might not’ve won tonight but I adore Marcelo Bielsa already. Every word 
that comes out of his mouth.  His affect on our players. The football we are 
playing. ‘Kin brilliant. I’m in love.

M
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Re: [LU] Kids

[Mark Smith]

On the list (mostly lurking) since the beginning and with 4 kids with wife 
Becks (also a Adelphi veteran from the early nineties).
We live in California but my sons are doomed for a life of LUFC disappointment!

MOT!

Mark


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:22 PM
To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kids

Mine’s nearly 21 having been a twinkle in my eye when I joined the list in 
95ish 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Aug 2018, at 19:32, Ted  wrote:
> 
> God John, I suddenly feel old my kids were 8 & 6 when I joined the 
> list
> - now they're both 30+ and I'm a Grandad of 3!
> 
> Ted H
> 
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, 19:25 John Boocock,  wrote:
>> 
>> Given the great news about Fin Murray, I was wondering how many of us 
>> have kids. I know in the early days it wasn't many. Aficionados of 
>> the Adolphi will know that I have just the one, Lal (star of the back 
>> page of the Mirror at the San Siro!)
>> 
>> Betty
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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[Mark]

I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
Cheers
Mark
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nigel Sykes 

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
To: 'Leeds List'
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show that 
our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at around 74%.  
Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the same.  No stats 
for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if anything.

For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into the 
80’s.  I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on previous 
seasons.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)



From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts



Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our 
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.



On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote:





Yep - pretty much totally agree.

I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much 
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone 
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season.  It was a 
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.

Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is 
passing.  We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games 
because we hustled so much to get the ball back.  But last night the passing 
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started 
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good 
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in 
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we 
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we 
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got 
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a 
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember 
they made 9 changes too !
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some 
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this 
season.
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times 
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality.
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second 
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his 
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though 
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I 
never thought I would say that.
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling.
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his 
role which is suiting him down to the ground.
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and 
scored a great goal.
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be 
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon.
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not 
as solid as Kiltch.
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he 
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs 
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while.
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns.







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Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

[Mark]

None, you have to take the corner and try to win.

Mark
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 9:39:29 AM
To: Jeremy Adams; {broken-address} Nicholas Armit; Michael Benjamin; Matt 
Anderson; John Lee
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

That's a very good point, if Japan had taken a short corner rather than tried 
to get it in the box to score, time would have been up and they'd have had a 
good a chance as Belgium in extra time or penalties.   Belia has said that his 
teams always play to win, I wonder how much flack he'll get if we lose in the 
same fashion as Japan?

ttfn

Richard

From: Jeremy Adams 
Sent: 03 July 2018 13:46
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit ; 
Richard Naef ; Michael Benjamin 
; Matt Anderson ; John Lee 

Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??


Yes full credit to Japan for taking the game to Belgium and not playing for a 
draw (though this is what cost them the game, most underdog teams would have 
tried to time waste that last corner kick) I thought they looked a real handful 
and if they had a little more experience in how to see out games would have won 
yesterday.




From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
mailto:arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 8:41:10 AM
To: Richard Naef; Michael Benjamin; Matt Anderson; John Lee
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

And fast aggressive skillful football which was a joy to watch. Thank God we 
got Colombia!
Nick
On Tuesday, July 3, 2018, 4:54:38 AM EDT, {broken-address} John Lee 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>>
 wrote:

 Agreed Richard - watching Japan was an object lesson in how to react to 
misses, tackles etc - either with a wry smile, a 'very brief' outburst of 
frustration, and then getting on with the job. Compare and contrast with 
Neymar, who was unfortunate enough to roll onto a tazer, repeatedly! What an 
utter !

  From: Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
 To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>; Matt Anderson 
mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>>
Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
 Sent: Monday, 2 July 2018, 22:04
 Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

Well, don't know about their footie skills, but I like the almost complete lack 
of cheating and simulation.  If I was a parent of young kids I'm not sure I'd 
want them to watch him "play football"

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of Michael Benjamin
Sent: 02 July 2018 20:23
To: Matt Anderson mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>>
Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

Watching Japan and wondering about our Japanese guy? Are we underestimating him 
too?

Dr  Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.

SKYPE: BEDENOGA
PHONE: +972-505-317772
BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
myRay: Online CBT

|-Original Message-
|From: Matt Anderson mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>>
|Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:51 PM
|To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>
|Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
|Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??
|
|Offered a contract and thinking about it. He is an Algerian
|international
|
|Sent from my iPhone
|
|> On 2 Jul 2018, at 20:49, Michael Benjamin 
mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
|>
|> Can you translate?
|>
|> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
|> Community Psychiatrist.
|>
|> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
|> PHONE: +972-505-317772
|> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
|> myRay: Online CBT
|>
|> |-Original Message-
|> |From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of Matt
|> |Anderson
|> |Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:45 PM
|> |To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
|> |Subject: [LU] Algerian incomer??
|> |
|> |Thinking about it apparently
|> |
|> |[Info @DZfoot] Baghdad Bounedjah disposerait d'une offre de la part
|> |de @LUFC club entraîné par Marcelo Bielsa. Contacts avancés entre
|> |les parties pour un transfert définitif, le joueur aurait décidé de
|> |prendre un
|temps de réflexion.
|> |#MercatoDZ @LesVerts
|> |
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Re: [LU] England friendly in Edinburgh

[Mark]

Looking for an England friendly pub in Edinburgh for my son who for some reason 
is visiting.
Any suggestions?
Cheers

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 4:04:07 PM
To: Michael Benjamin; Matt Anderson
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

Well, don't know about their footie skills, but I like the almost complete lack 
of cheating and simulation.  If I was a parent of young kids I'm not sure I'd 
want them to watch him "play football"

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Michael Benjamin
Sent: 02 July 2018 20:23
To: Matt Anderson 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??

Watching Japan and wondering about our Japanese guy? Are we underestimating him 
too?

Dr  Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.

SKYPE: BEDENOGA
PHONE: +972-505-317772
BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
myRay: Online CBT

|-Original Message-
|From: Matt Anderson 
|Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:51 PM
|To: Michael Benjamin 
|Cc: Leeds List 
|Subject: Re: [LU] Algerian incomer??
|
|Offered a contract and thinking about it. He is an Algerian
|international
|
|Sent from my iPhone
|
|> On 2 Jul 2018, at 20:49, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
|>
|> Can you translate?
|>
|> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
|> Community Psychiatrist.
|>
|> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
|> PHONE: +972-505-317772
|> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
|> myRay: Online CBT
|>
|> |-Original Message-
|> |From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Matt
|> |Anderson
|> |Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:45 PM
|> |To: Leeds List 
|> |Subject: [LU] Algerian incomer??
|> |
|> |Thinking about it apparently
|> |
|> |[Info @DZfoot] Baghdad Bounedjah disposerait d’une offre de la part
|> |de @LUFC club entraîné par Marcelo Bielsa. Contacts avancés entre
|> |les parties pour un transfert définitif, le joueur aurait décidé de
|> |prendre un
|temps de réflexion.
|> |#MercatoDZ @LesVerts
|> |
|> |Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LU] Tatty Bye

[Mark]

I bet Hitler is rolling over in his ash pit.
Cheers

Mark
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Jeremy Adams 

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:37:53 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Tatty Bye

Angela Merkel, Boris Becker, Heidi Klum, Karl Lagerfeld, Michael Schumacher, 
Claudia Schiffer, your boys took one hell of a beating!



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[LU] Next season

[Mark]

What about this Darren Moore fella at WBA? Surely he can motivate players to 
succeed more than Heckingbottom?


I would agree with most everyone else regarding the players I'd dump this 
off-season. And this is my list:

Pennington, Lonegan, Felix, Roofe, Berardi, Dallas, Sacko, Cibicki and Saiz 
because I think he lacks the bottle to fight and win plus sadly Alioski, 
because no matter how much I want him to succeed he never seems to deliver 
anything game in and game out.

And if Cooper, Lasogga or O'Kane ever pull on a Leeds shirt for a meaningful 
game then I'm done. Complete wank all of them.

Cheers

Mark
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[LU] what a difference Warnock didn't make

[Mark Pilling]

rubbing salt in the wound of the hope aroused at this season's start...reminded 
of the brief fleeting notion that Warnock was destined to get that record with 
us(and worse still an if only when flicking to bein 11 and seeing our Delph 
playing at one top table after our Milner recently played at another.).

what seduction will we inevitably buy momentarily into again for 18-19the 
massive potential of Heck (who is going to train our players to press) or of 
Coops ("our lads are sounds d..none of them would go out onto the pitch looking 
to lose")

Bring onMyanmar?

mot

M
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Re: [LU] Hulll

[Mark]

I don't understand why we continue to acquire and play men who don't have basic 
football skills. If you can't trap a ball and pass a ball by age 17 or older 
then you don't have nor will ever have the skills to be a successful 
professional footballer. WTF is wrong with our scouts?!

Cheers

Mark
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Re: [LU] Hulll

[Mark]

I'm glad I don't actually pay to watch Lassogga and Roofe. It's like playing 
with nine men. They rank right up there with the most incompetent 
strikers/footballers I've ever seen. It must be so disheartening for the rest 
of the team to look forward and know there is no one ahead of you who can even 
hold up the ball.

Cheers

Mark
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[LU] What a dumb move putting SS on for the last few minutes at Newport!!

[Mark Pilling]

enjoyed the game at Sunderland earlier in the season but a bit concerned
how easily our offensive boys were brushed aside and knocked off the ball.
Watching the season unfurl on tv, this is a remaining issue, with the newer
europeans keener to wave arms in the air and imaginery cards than chase
back - or even learn to stand up for themselves.  Good old English refs
don't like it and seem to allow good old english defenders the benefit of
the doubt.  Now I've also been watching our little magician, Sami, getting
a bit of the georgie best, diego maradona treatment from players he's
running rings round with his tricks and turns: endless tugs, pushes, nudges
and kicks and yet he prefers to hang on to the ball, he's about beating
them and looking for a pass (though too often there's no pass on) or making
space for the shot, only finally does he generally lose the ball and end up
in a frequent ball of frustration...frustration at losing the ball, at lack
of options from his team, from too many defenders and too little protection
from the refs. And this worries me. If I were he, maybe I would be pining
for a land where he'd get the fair share of free kicks he warrants. So,
dear Santa, for New Year I want SS to fall in love with us as much as PJ
and stay, I want the refs to be more understanding of him and for his
team-mates to rise their game for him.  (And I want Alioski teaching how to
stand strong to a challenge - would have wished the same for Pierre too,
but can't be bothered with him anymore.)


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Re: [LU] Brum

[Mark]

Fucking embarrassing

Mark
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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:07:43 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

going for a 0-0 draw against bottom of the league Dave ? What's that all about ?
Pathetic , negative tactics from our manager.

  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 16:57
 Subject: [LU] Brum

That is the problem with going for a 0 0 - always one second away from losing
We can put it all (well most of it) right by beating Forest on Monday but it 
was a bad day at the office

We all know we are not good enough to win 5,6,7 on the trot but it is bad 
losing to a team with as poor a recent record as Birmingham - bad team 
selection and bad play from individuals leads to a bad team performance and 
result
We now must beat Forest and then it is over to Orta etc to bring in the bit of 
quality that we lack
Dave
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Re: [LU] Tonight's wine

[Mark]

While I appreciate a striker who makes a pest of himself and unnerves defenders 
there certainly needs to be some other footballing aspects he can offer. Roofe 
is very, very limited and the sooner he falls down the pecking order the better.

And I don't care what the opposing player did, nor that the assistant ref and 
ref didn't see the throat throw, when you use your arms to tackle an opposing 
player to the ground in the penalty box with a rugby style tackle you're an 
idiot and not thinking about the team or the resulting outcome. Ayling was a 
fool and could have cost us the game.

Cheers

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Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Mark]

The problem is that the ball spends too much time in our half.  Whether it's us 
passing it around or the opponent attacking it simply means the odds of 
conceding increase.
Find ways to keep the ball on the opponents side. Lasogga, Roofe, Sachko and 
Grot do not help us here as none of them can either hold the ball up or make a 
pass to a team mate. Surrendering possession and bringing play back to our side 
of the pitch. It drives me crazy

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire

From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:47:45 AM
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit; Richard Walker; {broken-address} Richard 
Walker; Michael Benjamin
Cc: leedslist; GRAHAM THIRKILL
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Good point.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 10:38:27 AM EDT, Michael Benjamin 
<m...@myray.com> wrote:

 He is good at what he should be. He's a striker. He doesn't lead the line ala 
hoof the ball. But, it seems, we are not going that way, thank God. The problem 
is tightening the defence, so more emphasis is on attack. We are short, 
seriously short of first team recognised defenders across the park.

Dr. Michael Benjamin
From: Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 3:32:08 PM
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit; Michael Benjamin; Richard Walker; 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Cc: leedslist; GRAHAM THIRKILL
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious Totally agree about Lasogga. He played in the 
Bundesliga ffs where they don't play shit hoof it at the big man football. Even 
then he had three good chances one of which he scored (I know he missed the 
others but he was in the right place at the right time so somethinbg right?)
Nick
On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 5:02:14 AM EDT, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

I think Lasogga isn't the player that most of the fans want him to be - a big, 
bad brickshit house of a striker. Unfortunately I'm not sure we've got the 
players to play the type of football he is accustomed. He's going to have to 
adapt.
I don't think Derby were half as good as Sheffield Utd but the way their one 
paced, average midfielders took control was embarrassing for us. Bradley 
Johnston and Huddlestone are at best average but that was enough against our 
powder puff players (Roofe, O'Kane, Allioski)

  From: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
<arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org>
To: Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com>
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; GRAHAM THIRKILL <thirk...@icloud.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 22:44
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

I thought we did fine first half and even though they had some pressure second 
they were nowhere near as good as Sheffield Utd.  Very long ball. Penalty was 
an absolute gift and we really should have had one first half. Would move them 
all 10-15 yards up the pitch so there is more pressure on the other team, less 
on our defence and players are closer together for the skill players to play 
together.

Radio Leeds having a real go at Lasogga. I thought he played well and 5 goals 
in 8 or 9 games is Wood ratio. But he was untouchable.

Nick

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>
>
> God almighty, when will we do normal. From top to garbage in a month? Who 
> does that? This is nailed on relegation form and our foreign legion haven't 
> the nouce or the bottle.
>
>
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[LU] starting XI

[Mark Smith]

Lonergan, Ayling, Pennington, Jansson, O'Kane, Vieira, Roofe, Dallas, Saiz, 
Alioski, Lasogga

I tuned in an hour early - clock change malfunction.



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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Ben Thorpe <bstho...@hotmail.co.uk>; {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
<arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org>; Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com>
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby

 Eh I clearly have two up frontRoofe and Lasogga. Unless you are talking 
about Richard's line-up which is clearly inferior.

Nick
(The guest commentator/pundit/coach/pundit/tea woman)
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 2:18:23 PM EDT, Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:  
 
 Would not play one up front at home. And any lineup I would pick would not 
include Roofe or lassoga...so yeah, basically fucked.

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire

From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Ben Thorpe 
<bstho...@hotmail.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:12:15 PM
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby

Have to say that 4-5-1 at home is playing the same team and expecting a 
different result. Something Thomas appears good at.

I'd give Roofe a go up top like you, but it leaves our most creative player out.

How's about:

Lonergan

Pennington  Jansson  Shaghnessy
Ayling  Dallas/Alioski
O'kane  Viera
  Saiz
Roofe  Lasogga



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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Sent: 31 October 2017 17:38
To: leedslist; Richard Naef
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby

 My go...
Lonergan

Pennington  Jansson  Shaughnessy
Ayling  Alioski
  Anita
  O'Kane  Viera
RoofeLasogga


At least its imaginative! :-)
Nick
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 1:19:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

 Cooper still out with a dead leg - wtf is a dead leg? At school it was when 
someone kneed you in the thigh, painful but not worth 5 days off school?

Anyway team suggestion;

Loneghan
Anita Jannson Pennington, Ayling
Alioski Vieira O'Kane Saiz Dallas
Lasogga

Or maybe Hernandez instead of Dallas, but I really think Stu deservers a start.

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Re: [LU] Derby

[Mark]

Would not play one up front at home. And any lineup I would pick would not 
include Roofe or lassoga...so yeah, basically fucked.

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire

From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Ben Thorpe 
<bstho...@hotmail.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:12:15 PM
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby

Have to say that 4-5-1 at home is playing the same team and expecting a 
different result. Something Thomas appears good at.

I'd give Roofe a go up top like you, but it leaves our most creative player out.

How's about:

Lonergan

Pennington  Jansson  Shaghnessy
Ayling  Dallas/Alioski
O'kane  Viera
   Saiz
Roofe   Lasogga



-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Sent: 31 October 2017 17:38
To: leedslist; Richard Naef
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby

 My go...
 Lonergan

 Pennington  Jansson   Shaughnessy
Ayling   Alioski
  Anita
   O'Kane   Viera
 Roofe Lasogga


At least its imaginative! :-)
Nick
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 1:19:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

 Cooper still out with a dead leg - wtf is a dead leg? At school it was when 
someone kneed you in the thigh, painful but not worth 5 days off school?

Anyway team suggestion;

Loneghan
Anita Jannson Pennington, Ayling
Alioski Vieira O'Kane Saiz Dallas
Lasogga

Or maybe Hernandez instead of Dallas, but I really think Stu deservers a start.

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Re: [LU] non LU......well, actually, that's the point......LU (ish)

[Mark]

Agree, I didn't notice anything provocative from Rob. I think the "dr" was in 
the wrong this time.

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire

From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:05:29 AM
To: Peter Castlehouse; ejwalsh; Graham White; {broken-address} Graham White
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Chris Nickson
Subject: Re: [LU] non LU..well, actually, that's the point..LU (ish)

Looked to me like Mike misread a post from someone else as coming from Rob. In 
that case I feel Rob deserves an apology.
Nick
On Thursday, October 26, 2017, 9:42:28 AM EDT, {broken-address} Graham 
White <gcwhite2...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

 I know both have been guilty in the past, but what got me last night was that, 
as far as I could see, there was absolutely no provocation from Rob Heath and 
yet Dr. Benjamin came steaming straight in with literally insane ranting.

Cheers


Graham White


On Thursday, 26 October 2017, 13:00:00 CEST, ejwalsh <ejwa...@indigo.ie> 
wrote:

 I voted yes only because I can show my 12 year old son that some adults will 
forever behave as if they are children.
Ed
> On 26 Oct 2017, at 11:07, Peter Castlehouse <dubca...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> If you keep changing your name, we might have to get you to re-subscribe 
> too... Big Terry Boocock-Cameron huh?
> Shall we have a referendum on this folks?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John 
> Boocock
> Sent: 26 October 2017 20:55
> To: Chris Nickson <chrisnicks...@gmail.com>
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] non LU..well, actually, that's the point..LU (ish)
>
> It will only be binding after I've made a decision but of course I'll let you 
> all vote on that after implementation has occurred. (If I'm still here of 
> course)
>
> Big Terry
>
>
> On 26/10/2017 10:49, Chris Nickson wrote:
>> ​Will it be a binding referendum?
>> And if they want to resub, who will be in charge of negotiations? Will
>> there be a transition period?
>> ​
>>
>>
>> On 26 October 2017 at 10:44, John Boocock <j...@boocock.net
>> <mailto:j...@boocock.net>> wrote:
>>
>>Bloody hell I've only just seen all this because I too was playing
>>Bridge (some of this is true)
>>
>>I think we should have a list referendum as to whether we should
>>re sub them.
>>
>>Anyone able to set up a poll site Dr Mike Yes  / No, Rob Heath Yes
>>/ No?
>>
>>Theresa Boocock-Cameron Esq
>>
>>
>>
>>On 26/10/2017 08:03, Peter Castlehouse wrote:
>>
>>I didn’t ‘throw them off the list’… I simply clicked their
>>unsubscribe button.  They have the opportunity to
>>re-subscribe at their leisure, as was advised, and Betty can
>>make the mighty decision whether to allow them back on.
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[LU] weds

[Mark Pilling]

fwiw

I was impressed with the starta great response to the Cardiff game.  we 
were lively, first to the ball, saiz was making things happen and inspiring our 
lads to make runswe could/should have had 3 already before they scored.

but. wiedwald had already partied a shot he should ve saved and then some poor 
marking, uncommanding keeping 1-0 and the game changed.

seemed we d been full of thoughts of 2nd place, just 1 behind Cardiff, when 
suddenly, the unthinkable, we might lose we might have to fight for a point 
even and they went mad. lost all form and composure and it was game over.

our players lost the plot, weds seized on it, surrounded our only remaining 
weapon saiz, and went for it.

the defense were awry, the centre got worse and worse, the wings ceased to 
exist and the keeping was shocking.

to be fair, I thought Felix, who I have not yet rated as a keeper, did ok for 
most of the second half. but it was too late by then.

this team has shown it can playJust now needs to find how to do that when 
the going gets tough.  relatively optimistic.


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Re: [LU] stream

[Mark]

Game over. Deservedly thrashed. All about damage control now
Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire

From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:24:48 PM
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit; Peter Castlehouse; Matt Anderson; Richard 
Naef
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] stream

2-0 down and they are shite!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 3:22:47 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

 It was Klitch

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
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{broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Sent: 26 September 2017 20:16
To: Peter Castlehouse <dubca...@iinet.net.au>; Matt Anderson 
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Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] stream

 Phillips what a twat.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 3:06:41 PM EDT, Matt Anderson 
<m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:

 
http://leedsunitedshirt.com/leeds-united-news-website/leeds-united-live-radio-streaming/

Try this. I'm watching on it

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 20:02, Peter Castlehouse <dubca...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> url?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> Matt Anderson
> Sent: 27 September 2017 04:59
> To: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [LU] stream
>
> Watching via the leeds united steaming page on facebook
>
>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 19:14, Richard Naef
>> <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm having problems with buying the international matchday pass - any
> alternative streams available?
>>
>> ttfn
>>
>> Richard
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Re: [LU] stream

[Mark]

Fucking poor all round.  Roofe brings nothing to the game...it is like playing 
with 10
Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:22:27 PM
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit; Peter Castlehouse; Matt Anderson
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] stream

It was Klitch

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Sent: 26 September 2017 20:16
To: Peter Castlehouse <dubca...@iinet.net.au>; Matt Anderson 
<m...@leeds-united.net>
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] stream

 Phillips what a twat.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 3:06:41 PM EDT, Matt Anderson 
<m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:

 
http://leedsunitedshirt.com/leeds-united-news-website/leeds-united-live-radio-streaming/

Try this. I'm watching on it

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 20:02, Peter Castlehouse <dubca...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> url?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> Matt Anderson
> Sent: 27 September 2017 04:59
> To: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [LU] stream
>
> Watching via the leeds united steaming page on facebook
>
>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 19:14, Richard Naef
>> <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm having problems with buying the international matchday pass - any
> alternative streams available?
>>
>> ttfn
>>
>> Richard
>>
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Re: [LU] stream

[Mark Smith]

Sky games can be seen via WatchESPN in the US

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:22 AM
To: Vijay Bhakta 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] stream

Thanks Vijay, didn’t realise it’s on Sky, which is probably why it’s not on the 
LUTV stream

ttfn

Richard

From: Vijay Bhakta [mailto:vji6...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 September 2017 19:18
To: Richard Naef 
Subject: Re: [LU] stream

Oops.  Meant https://mobile.twitter.com/LufcStreams

On 26 Sep 2017 19:15, "Richard Naef" 
> wrote:
I'm having problems with buying the international matchday pass - any 
alternative streams available?

ttfn

Richard

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[LU] before penalities

[Mark Pilling]

well done leeds

interesting to see a few new and old players get a decent run out

Lonergn 7  good physical presence
Beradi 5.5 solid but no excuse for the penalty - cost us a normal time win
Ayling 7 captains performance
Shaugnassey 8 motm wow. out of position a couple of times, but great
reading, anticpation and decisions, a new Woodgate?
BC or CB.  3. yes. that bad.
Dallas 7.5 solid game, extra half for his attitude in defence
Klich 5.5 first 5 mins I thought we'd unearthed a real gem. but then he
disappeared.
Viera 5 bypassed or passed back until late in the game when he started to
come into it. but his one minute madness cost us the game
Roofe 6 busy but lightweight
Grot 6 busy but heavyweight
Cbicki 5 anonymous except for the end of the first half and in the second.
may have some class but well hidden tonight
Sako 7.5 wow game changer when he came on.
Hernadez 7.5 luxury like cbicki, but made things happen
awesome subs
lasogga 5 i wanted to give him more. didn't really do anything wrong but he
didnt really do anything
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[LU] Burnley in Cup Draw

[Mark Smith]

Had to happen!

Away unfortunately




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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address}
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:36 PM
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Jay-roy Grot

I watched the Blackburn v Burnley game to see how Antonsson and Wood got on. 
Antonsson lightweight and anonymous, whilst Wood missed 3 decent chances. 
£15mill for him is bloody good business. I bet Burnley fans have the hump with 
him already!

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Aug 2017, at 19:27, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> 19 year old - 6'" and supposed to be quite quick, so hopefully not a bad 
> additionHe is basically a replacement alongside Ekuban for Doukara & 
> Antonsson - we still need to replace Wood with someone who we know can get 
> goals at this level, not "one for the future" or  "worth taking a gamble".
> As for Doukara I still believe there is a footballer in there but his 
> attitude will ensure he does not make it at the level he should. He has upset 
> the club with his antics this week, he had his biting incident , and of 
> course was one of the sicknote six. He went missing in more games than he 
> showed up in but did do well at times and his goal last season will stay in 
> the memory, but no great loss and clearly TC did not rate him.
> So now from last seasons team we have got rid of Green from the first 
> team and Taylor, Bartley, Bridcutt, Doukara and Wood from the team 
> altogether - odd given that Green, Bartley, Bridcutt and Wood were 
> basically the 'spine' of that team , keeper, centre defence, centre 
> midfield and centre forward Dave
> 
>  From: Richard Naef 
> To: leedslist 
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 August 2017, 17:43
> Subject: [LU] Jay-roy Grot
> 
> Phil Hay says deal done, announcement tomorrow.
> 
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Re: [LU] Happy 25th anniversary to the Leeds United Electronic Mailing List

[Mark Smith]

Wow - thanks for noticing that James.
Although it makes me feel old!

Mark Smith 


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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} James A. Lundon @ Yahoo!
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:14 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Happy 25th anniversary to the Leeds United Electronic Mailing List

Wow, hard to believe it's 25 years (July 1992) that this electronic mailing 
list has been on the go, in many different guises over that time too.
Hat tip to Mark Smith and Gavin Burnage for setting it up in the first place 
from suggestions made on rec.sport.soccer!  See here for the earliest reference 
I was able to find to the list there from a five minute search this minute.  
Can someone find the original notice to confirm my July 1992 date?
James Lundon (Galway White and on the list since January 1993).
P.S. Yes, I still archive the list in total and, yes, I still haven't gotten 
around to putting all these archives together in one place i.e. CD/DVD :-(.
P.P.S. Long live vax.ox.ac.uk!
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Re: [LU] Biting satire

[Mark]

Thankfully we've got our guns in USA for the impending "civil" war.

Cheers

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire

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Re: [LU] stream (found one)

[Mark Smith]

I just found one
http://www.streamcomando.com/en/stream/newcastle-united-leeds-united-94690

MOT!

-Original Message-
From: Mark Smith [mailto:m...@victoriacapitalinc.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'leedslist' <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: stream

Just turned on the TV and it's not on in the US.
Anyone got a stream link?


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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:43 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] Strange story


>The letter was passed by my contact to their 'litigation team' and this 
>was in last couple of days I am not sure what it is all about - I 
>suppose time will tell


The litigation team are presumably lawyers and probably understand the possible 
outcome of them passing sensitive legal and commercial info to the kind of 
bloke who talks about it down the pub.
I’m intrigued as to what makes you even entertain the vague possibility of him 
telling the truth……. Oh hang on, we’re Leeds United so literally anything could 
happen ;)

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[LU] stream

[Mark Smith]

Just turned on the TV and it's not on in the US.
Anyone got a stream link?


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:43 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Strange story


>The letter was passed by my contact to their 'litigation team' and this 
>was in last couple of days I am not sure what it is all about - I 
>suppose time will tell


The litigation team are presumably lawyers and probably understand the possible 
outcome of them passing sensitive legal and commercial info to the kind of 
bloke who talks about it down the pub.
I’m intrigued as to what makes you even entertain the vague possibility of him 
telling the truth……. Oh hang on, we’re Leeds United so literally anything could 
happen ;)

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