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On 28 Feb 2013, at 07:24, Paul Cundell wrote: >> Found out of what ? Not expressing myself clearly ? > > If you say so, though I thought you were pretty clear > >>> LIBOR rate? > > >> It is a negotiated rate. It always was. > > You asked what they'd done wrong and I told you. You want to condone their > illegal actions. Your choice. Im not condoning their actions. The process that was used to determine LIBOR and LIBID was itself floored. It as actually called a fixing and those involved took an opportunity, that was available to them due to the process by which the rate wear set and out of human nature to make money for themselves. The process was flawed, and manipulating the rate was illegal > >> So the downturn that the world suffered could have ben avoided. > > So it's not ALL Labours fault after all, it's a world wide downturn now it > suits your argument. It s not all labours fault. Their squandering money was a contributor. The general economic malaise another, whereby reduction in global trade affects the revenues that the government generates and its ability to repay its debt > >> Im sure you can pull the red will over the eyes on the doorstep , but under >> any real scrutiny it > > Or you can choose to believe the Express and Mail rather than facts and > figures. Your choice. As stated Im going to make a list for you of ways in which labour squandered money. Neither the mail nor the express will be primary sources, I read neither > >> The ratings agencies, international markets, the people, who lend us the >> money > > So they decide we can spend billions on trident and HST2 but not the NHS for > instance? Interesting concept. They contribute to the process which determines how much we may borrow and the rate we will pay > >> Debt must be repaid > > Another juvenile economics soundbite, governments have many more ways of > 'repaying' debt than a consumer. Debt and deficit were lower in 2010 than in > the majority of the last 250 years, there was no rush to pay it back. The > austerity led loss of jobs and the shrinking economy is exasperating the > situation. > Please don't do an analysis without any facts and figures, one based on > tabloid headlines would have no substance. Yes there are more ways to repay but it must still be repaid. As stated I will prepare the analysis for you. I just need a weekend as it will be lengthy > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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> Found out of what ? Not expressing myself clearly ? If you say so, though I thought you were pretty clear >> LIBOR rate? > It is a negotiated rate. It always was. You asked what they'd done wrong and I told you. You want to condone their illegal actions. Your choice. > So the downturn that the world suffered could have ben avoided. So it's not ALL Labours fault after all, it's a world wide downturn now it suits your argument. > Im sure you can pull the red will over the eyes on the doorstep , but under > any real scrutiny it Or you can choose to believe the Express and Mail rather than facts and figures. Your choice. > The ratings agencies, international markets, the people, who lend us the money So they decide we can spend billions on trident and HST2 but not the NHS for instance? Interesting concept. > Debt must be repaid Another juvenile economics soundbite, governments have many more ways of 'repaying' debt than a consumer. Debt and deficit were lower in 2010 than in the majority of the last 250 years, there was no rush to pay it back. The austerity led loss of jobs and the shrinking economy is exasperating the situation. Please don't do an analysis without any facts and figures, one based on tabloid headlines would have no substance. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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On 27 Feb 2013, at 20:58, Paul Cundell wrote: >> Voting : >> >> I have not >> I reserve my right to vote >> But probably won't >> > > You also reserve the right to perform a volte face as soon as you're found > out? Found out of what ? Not expressing myself clearly ? > >> whats wrong with barclays of HSBC ? Neither took bail outs and Barclays >> shares at 50p were a steal > > LIBOR rate? It is a negotiated rate. It always was. It could so easily be set by the market , there are already futures contracts so let it be the b-spline though the curve. You set people in charge of something that they can control for their own profit and this is what happens. They want to profit Just like they all wanted to profit at Liverpool council when Hatton was in charge. Innocent my arse. See also Cash for honours, Peter Hain, Tessa Jowell ask her about your next remortgage, the death of David kelly…I could sit here all night…. > >> I loaded up to the gunnels on that one. I missed the bottom on HSBC by 30p > but >> its done well since. Standard Chartered was the real killing. >> All locked away fro a rainy day > > Why would we be interested? Just incase you decided to back you own judgement and no longer be just a customer of HSBC but a sure holder > >> Fucking amazing ! >> You sem to believe that the chancellor can waive his fingers and get the > tanker >> to stop and change direction > > He has stopped the tanker - he's turned a growing economy into a triple dip > recession. So the downturn that the world suffered could have ben avoided. Yes it could , join the labour party in a place where the world s red. Mars. > He's been in control for nearly 3 years, more than long enough for his > policies to take effect. > The facts don't lie. Im sure you can pull the red will over the eyes on the doorstep , but under any real scrutiny it all falls apart and conveys a serious and misguided view, blinkered would be to kind , of a world where labour never made a mistake and finally put a home in the side of the ship that wil take decades to repair but is still leaking I will do a full synopsis on this for you over the weekend > >> The spending increases already programmed in by Labour account for this. > > Bollox, if his austerity had worked he'd be claiming success - it hasn't, > it's failed and he must carry the can. as I stated it takes time to stop a supper tanker Increasing rates to 15 percent ( but thats the job of an independent bank of england) would not save sterling tomorrow Queasing, printing money is the last hope. We devalue the debt, become a third world nation. There is no choice. Growth itself is a flawed idea…more on third another day > >>> two things which the Condems are slashing spending in now. >> >> GOOD WE CANT AFFORD IT > > Who says? Rob Woodmansey? Cos the government keep changing their mind about > what we can and can't afford. The ratings agencies, international markets, the people, who lend us the money > They were going to tax pasties and caravans, Id tax caravans out of existence. But not static ones. > scrap free school milk > sell off the forests, raise the retirement age for > women, scrap coastguards, scrap the world service, scrap DLA, tax charity > donations and raise fuel duty but they changed their mind. They all sound reasonable targets to me. > >>> The coalition >>> exaggerated the necessity to tackle the deficit in the short term > possibly >>> to use austerity >> >> if you can't pay your mortgage you lose your house , correct ? > > Another juvenile micro-economic statement which has very little to do with > macro-economics. Actually it is macro. Debt must be repaid…else the lender goes under wh is th slender of last resort The government > >>> as justification for a smaller state >> >> >> SMALLER STATE GOOD ! FEWER POLITICIANS AND QUANGOS TO WASTE >> MONEY ON > > That's not what they mean by a smaller state, what if it's your mobile > library that goes - or your wife's job - just because Gideon wants to fund > another round of quantitative easing. 1. Quantitative easing is not funded 2. The chancellor does not decide , the bank of england does > >>> to gain lower taxes >> >> YES PLEASE > > At what expense? Which of our social and welfare services would you like to > dispose of first to pay for a tax cut? Id like to cut large swathes through the government , local , regional , national and European. SErvices come second > 5 nurses? Ambulances? Firemen? > Road repairs? Where would you like to stop? > Thank god you don't vote, at least we can be safe in the knowledge you can't > do any damage. > > Thank god you will never get elected again in my lifetime If we can't afford it…what s your solution ? Oh yes…borrow , borrow , borrow and borrow. Bankrupt there nation I believe that Cameron probably id not want t win the last election, the chalice was so poisoned , such was
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Leave bureaucrats alone! The Bureaucrat From: Damian Walsh To: leedslist Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [LU] [Non-LU] do you wish to rephrase this I'm all for sacking the bureaucrats! Damian PS but I do live in France PPS BTW I'm the one who blighted my career by telling our Personnel Department that Victor Kyam was my favorite industrialist ;) On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Chris Briggs wrote: > ...the administration of it was a nightmare, it was this I was alluding > to. A well meaning policy but was over bureaucratic i. > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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I'm all for sacking the bureaucrats! Damian PS but I do live in France PPS BTW I'm the one who blighted my career by telling our Personnel Department that Victor Kyam was my favorite industrialist ;) On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Chris Briggs wrote: > ...the administration of it was a nightmare, it was this I was alluding > to. A well meaning policy but was over bureaucratic i. > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Whilst the policy did indeed lift a lot of people out of debt, the administration of it was a nightmare, it was this I was alluding to. A well meaning policy but was over bureaucratic in terms of applying, based upon previous declared earnings and projected earnings that could be manipulated, hence overpayments that were written off by HMRC. The claiming back of some overpayments meant that some people (who made an honest mistake) suddenly found that they had less money than before. Some had debt collection agencies knocking on the door several years later seeking monies for repayment. On 27 Feb 2013, at 21:23, "Damian Walsh" wrote: > ? Didn't the tax credits policy lift more that a million children out > of poverty? I think that the policy did exactly what it said on the tin and > I can't think of any other "welfare" or "redistibution" or "liberal" policy > (choose you local flavour) that was so successful since the introduction of > old age pensions in the early 20th Century. > > While two wrongs don't make a right, it is temting to think that a billion > overpayment given the results of that policy is cheap at several hundred > times the price when compared to the banking bailout. > > Damian > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Chris Briggs wrote: > >> Tax credits fiasco anyone, if I remember correctly it overpaid by well >> over a billion? > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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? Didn't the tax credits policy lift more that a million children out of poverty? I think that the policy did exactly what it said on the tin and I can't think of any other "welfare" or "redistibution" or "liberal" policy (choose you local flavour) that was so successful since the introduction of old age pensions in the early 20th Century. While two wrongs don't make a right, it is temting to think that a billion overpayment given the results of that policy is cheap at several hundred times the price when compared to the banking bailout. Damian On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Chris Briggs wrote: > Tax credits fiasco anyone, if I remember correctly it overpaid by well > over a billion? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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> Voting : > > I have not > I reserve my right to vote > But probably won't > You also reserve the right to perform a volte face as soon as you're found out? > whats wrong with barclays of HSBC ? Neither took bail outs and Barclays > shares at 50p were a steal LIBOR rate? > I loaded up to the gunnels on that one. I missed the bottom on HSBC by 30p but > its done well since. Standard Chartered was the real killing. > All locked away fro a rainy day Why would we be interested? > Fucking amazing ! > You sem to believe that the chancellor can waive his fingers and get the tanker > to stop and change direction He has stopped the tanker - he's turned a growing economy into a triple dip recession. He's been in control for nearly 3 years, more than long enough for his policies to take effect. The facts don't lie. > The spending increases already programmed in by Labour account for this. Bollox, if his austerity had worked he'd be claiming success - it hasn't, it's failed and he must carry the can. > > two things which the Condems are slashing spending in now. > > GOOD WE CANT AFFORD IT Who says? Rob Woodmansey? Cos the government keep changing their mind about what we can and can't afford. They were going to tax pasties and caravans, scrap free school milk, sell off the forests, raise the retirement age for women, scrap coastguards, scrap the world service, scrap DLA, tax charity donations and raise fuel duty but they changed their mind. > > The coalition > > exaggerated the necessity to tackle the deficit in the short term possibly > > to use austerity > > if you can't pay your mortgage you lose your house , correct ? Another juvenile micro-economic statement which has very little to do with macro-economics. > > as justification for a smaller state > > > SMALLER STATE GOOD ! FEWER POLITICIANS AND QUANGOS TO WASTE > MONEY ON That's not what they mean by a smaller state, what if it's your mobile library that goes - or your wife's job - just because Gideon wants to fund another round of quantitative easing. > > to gain lower taxes > > YES PLEASE At what expense? Which of our social and welfare services would you like to dispose of first to pay for a tax cut? 5 nurses? Ambulances? Firemen? Road repairs? Where would you like to stop? Thank god you don't vote, at least we can be safe in the knowledge you can't do any damage. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Paul When you go out on the knocker canvasing for clause 4 to be reinstated and people fall asleep ink their chairs, or look wistfully at their watch or just die,…do you give up ? Voting : I have not I reserve my right to vote But probably won't On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:47, Paul Cundell wrote: > > >> Was it not Gordon Brown and his Tonyness whose "light touch" promoted > this. > > In hindsight they were all too soft on them, pretty sure Maggie and Majors' > deregulation didn't help either. Almost getting there . It was the markets that were deregulated and the banks joined the casino. > >> Also remember that banks are public companies. They must make profits If > you >> don't like one. change bank > > Does that mean that they must make profits fraudulently? No > They must lie and > make stuff up just to make money? No > They must invent securities and lend sub-prime mortgages just to turn a > coin? Creativity in engineering new products drives all industries. Sub-Prime…yes making mortgage offers of anything more than three times salary is nonsense, lending to those with large deposits who self certify, lending to those who cannot afford to repay if rates were to increase substantially lending to those with poor employment history…. …is all wrong > My bank has so far turned out to be pretty clean so changing it won't stop > the financial malaise. > Your 'change bank' approach won't alter anything for customers of Barclays > or HSBC whats wrong with barclays of HSBC ? Neither took bail outs and Barclays shares at 50p were a steal I loaded up to the gunnels on that one. I missed the bottom on HSBC by 30p but its done well since. Standard Chartered was the real killing. All locked away fro a rainy day > so why would it change anything for customers of Yorkshire Bank, for > instance? And who would Yorkshire Bank customers move to? HSBC? RBS? > Barclays? How would that change anything? Try a building society or one of these fabulous off shore banks in IOM of Jersey > >>> and the current lot are still doing it - The deficit myth is the >>> grossest lie ever enforced upon the people and it has been sold by >>> exploiting people's economic illiteracy. >> >> Bollocks. Labour mismanaged and based their spending on optimistic > forecasts. >> > > More Daily Express sensationalism. > > Try looking at the facts and figures not the juvenile deficit narratives and > sound bites:- > > Public Sector Net Debt as % GDP > 1997 - 42% > 2002 - 29% > 2007 - 37% > 2013 - 71% > > Public Sector Net Borrowing as % GDP > 1997 - 3.9% > 2002 - 0% > 2007 - 2.1% > 2013 - 11% Fucking amazing ! You sem to believe that the chancellor can waive his fingers and get the tanker to stop and change direction The spending increases already programmed in by Labour account for this > > It's Gideon that's mismanaging the economy based on over-optimistic > forecasts and his belief in the confidence fairy. > > Gideon economics are those of Mr Micawber. > > If Labour are guilty of overspending it was spent on health and education, an admission of overspending, mortgaging our nations future for dogma > two things which the Condems are slashing spending in now. GOOD WE CANT AFFORD IT > The coalition > exaggerated the necessity to tackle the deficit in the short term possibly > to use austerity if you can't pay your mortgage you lose your house , correct ? > as justification for a smaller state SMALLER STATE GOOD ! FEWER POLITICIANS AND QUANGOS TO WASTE MONEY ON > to gain lower taxes YES PLEASE > but more likely to paint Labour as a party that cannot be trusted with the > country's finances again and thus win the next election out of fear. Labour did a good job os ensuring their ineligibility for decades to come > > > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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> No I will not vote unless there is someone worth voting for You may not have meant it but you definitely wrote 'never have and never will'. To say now 'well I might' is a u-turn the chuckle brothers would be proud of. > Was it not Gordon Brown and his Tonyness whose "light touch" promoted this. In hindsight they were all too soft on them, pretty sure Maggie and Majors' deregulation didn't help either. > Also remember that banks are public companies. They must make profits If you > don't like one. change bank Does that mean that they must make profits fraudulently? They must lie and make stuff up just to make money? They must invent securities and lend sub-prime mortgages just to turn a coin? My bank has so far turned out to be pretty clean so changing it won't stop the financial malaise. Your 'change bank' approach won't alter anything for customers of Barclays or HSBC so why would it change anything for customers of Yorkshire Bank, for instance? And who would Yorkshire Bank customers move to? HSBC? RBS? Barclays? How would that change anything? > > and the current lot are still doing it - The deficit myth is the > > grossest lie ever enforced upon the people and it has been sold by > > exploiting people's economic illiteracy. > > Bollocks. Labour mismanaged and based their spending on optimistic forecasts. > More Daily Express sensationalism. Try looking at the facts and figures not the juvenile deficit narratives and sound bites:- Public Sector Net Debt as % GDP 1997 - 42% 2002 - 29% 2007 - 37% 2013 - 71% Public Sector Net Borrowing as % GDP 1997 - 3.9% 2002 - 0% 2007 - 2.1% 2013 - 11% It's Gideon that's mismanaging the economy based on over-optimistic forecasts and his belief in the confidence fairy. Gideon economics are those of Mr Micawber. If Labour are guilty of overspending it was spent on health and education, two things which the Condems are slashing spending in now. The coalition exaggerated the necessity to tackle the deficit in the short term possibly to use austerity as justification for a smaller state to gain lower taxes but more likely to paint Labour as a party that cannot be trusted with the country's finances again and thus win the next election out of fear. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Are there term limits for elected officials in the UK? Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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I know you were only being devils advocate but to be fair I think that there are a lot magistrates that are exactly as you described Nosey? Actually knowing what goes on in your own community is a real eye opener. I know where my car is likely to get broken into, which houses have search warrants issued against them, who is beating their wife/kids, etc, but more often than not I can feel quite relieved that no matter how bad things can be at least my life is better organised than some of the poor fuckers out there. Alas, there isn't the opportunity to 'rig' things for friends and family, there is a stumbling block called perverting the course of justice ;o) It is a little unfair to compare them to the local councillors and MPs though as the MPs get a very healthy salary and other perks to distill the views of their community to the commons, similarly the local councillors get a nice allowance and better than average expenses to allow them to attend meetings. I on the other hand get mileage allowance (6 mile round trip) and £7.45 for my lunch and nothing for giving my time (but I don't think it should change) I doubt many MPs would have such a sense of public duty if the remuneration package was cut in half. Sent from my iPad On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:19, "Richard Naef" wrote: >> This politics malarkey is all a load of bollocks, from the hopeless local >> councillor to the MPs, they are only in for career progression >and to look >> after their own interests. >> Politics, I would rather get a blowjob from a rabid bull terrier. > > easy to say, just as easy to say for instance, Magistrates a load of self > serving nosey parkers who think they know best and whenever the opportunity > presents itself will do what is best for them and their family and friends - > justice a load of bollocks. > > But actually most Politicians and most magistrates do it for a sense of > public duty and do their best, many of them are wrongheaded but at least they > try and contribute, rather than sit on their hairy arses and moan. > > Anyway, if "Politics" has failed what's your suggestion for a replacement. > From where I sit (on my hairy arse) we are a lot better off with our > imperfect but accountable political and justice system than those living in > dictatorships like China or Saudi Arabia. > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:00, Chris Briggs wrote: > This politics malarkey is all a load of bollocks, from the hopeless local > councillor to the MPs, they are only in for career progression and to look > after their own interests. Is it any wonder there is voter apathy agreed > Take the recent vote on equal marriage, my local MP is down on record as > saying he voted using his own ideals and opinions rather than that of his > constituency, the views were different. He was elected by the people but is > not representative, I certainly won't be voting for him next time now that > his integrity is fucked. How many others did the same thing? How often is > this standpoint echoed across other votes in the commons? Why can't straight people have a civil partnership. Do Atheists have to marry ? > > Whilst billions were squandered propping up the banks, Even the trotts agree with this > labour managed to create the most complex welfare system ever devised that > just didn't work. It worked well for the recipients > Tax credits fiasco anyone, if I remember correctly it overpaid by well over a > billion? Yes it is nice that folk should get the basics to live on but to > give them a better standard of living than some of those paying tax is just > outrageous. Politics of the m,ad house > > As for the 'poor people going on holidays', yes that does happen. We had to > move a Court case because the defendant couldn't turn up as it was their > annual pilgrimage to Florida. They had a couple of grand in outstanding fines > and were on benefits. can you hang the bastard for a minor traffic offence ? > Then there is the shoplifter who can't afford food but is a benefit claimant > on a 30 a day habit. These aren't isolated cases they are fairly > representative across the whole country. > Hear Hear ! Empirical evidence from a respected authority. > Politics, I would rather get a blowjob from a rabid bull terrier. Please wear a kevlar condom, unless you prefer it rough > > Sent from my iPad > > On 27 Feb 2013, at 12:42, "Paul Cundell" wrote: > >>> >>> WOULD THAT BE THE LABOUR PARTY THEN ? >>> >>> As stated I have never found a candidate whose views match my own (in >> public) >>> so I have not voted. When I do I will….for that I may have to stand >> >> Well it wouldn't be the chuckle brothers from the bullingdon club, or the >> wet weekend who makes promises he can't keep knowing he'll never be in power >> only to rip them up when by some miracle he ended up in power. >> >>> I wil on Europe or if there's someone with adequate appeal in my >> constituency >> >> Back peddling? I'm sure you said NEVER will. >> For every sensational waste of resources story, I'll give you a Fred >> Godwin, Starbucks, Amazon - all who get huge rewards for hedged risk. >>> >>> The pay off he got at RBS was obscene. >>> Starbucks , Amazon and US corporate who use trust law and offshore >> entities >>> are a disgrace. >>> This is not hedging, they are simply exploiting loopholes. They should pay >> tax in >>> the country that they earn the revenue. >> It's hedging in the true sense of the word, making sure you win whatever >> happens is hedging. >> how the rich can leave the country whilst the poor are stuck with the mess the rich have left. >>> >>> The mess created by a decade of socialist squandering billions >> >> Really? Not by a load of greedy bankers on get rich schemes? >> >> The only billions that were truly squandered were the billions spent >> propping up the fraudulent banks, which in a true capitalist world should >> have been allowed to collapse and the current lot are still doing it - The >> deficit myth is the grossest lie ever enforced upon the people and it has >> been sold by exploiting people's economic illiteracy. >> >>> The poor have passports, they go on lots of foregn holidays >> >> Do they? More Daily Express sensationalism. >> >>> Even if you leave unless you take up residence an damage to obtain >> overseas >>> domicile you or your estate will always be subject to UK tax >> >> So why did your friends leave over 5p in the pound tax on what they earned >> over £150k a year, which they probably still had to pay? You're not making >> sense. >> >> >> >> >> "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get >> its pants on" >> - Winston Churchill >> "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually >> come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels >> >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.or
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On 27 Feb 2013, at 12:42, Paul Cundell wrote: >> >> WOULD THAT BE THE LABOUR PARTY THEN ? >> >> As stated I have never found a candidate whose views match my own (in > public) >> so I have not voted. When I do I will….for that I may have to stand > > Well it wouldn't be the chuckle brothers from the bullingdon club, or the > wet weekend who makes promises he can't keep knowing he'll never be in power > only to rip them up when by some miracle he ended up in power. Thinking about it, I may stand A single election promise to rip off the expense account as far as possible and donate it it all to a local pub > >> I wil on Europe or if there's someone with adequate appeal in my > constituency > > Back peddling? I'm sure you said NEVER will. No I will not vote unless there is someone worth voting for > >>> For every sensational waste of resources story, I'll give you a Fred > Godwin, >>> Starbucks, Amazon - all who get huge rewards for hedged risk. >> >> The pay off he got at RBS was obscene. >> Starbucks , Amazon and US corporate who use trust law and offshore > entities >> are a disgrace. >> This is not hedging, they are simply exploiting loopholes. They should pay > tax in >> the country that they earn the revenue. >> > It's hedging in the true sense of the word, making sure you win whatever > happens is hedging. as you wish > >>> how the rich can leave the country whilst the poor are stuck with >>> the mess the rich have left. >> >> The mess created by a decade of socialist squandering billions > > Really? Not by a load of greedy bankers on get rich schemes? Was it not Gordon Brown and his Tonyness whose "light touch" promoted this. Alos remember that banks are public companies. They must make profits If you don't like one. change bank > > The only billions that were truly squandered were the billions spent > propping up the fraudulent banks, which in a true capitalist world should > have been allowed to collapse I completely agree with you. There has not been any blood on the street. Nothing is too big t fail. > and the current lot are still doing it - The > deficit myth is the grossest lie ever enforced upon the people and it has > been sold by exploiting people's economic illiteracy. Bollocks. Labour mismanaged and based their spending on optimistic forecasts. > >> The poor have passports, they go on lots of foregn holidays > > Do they? More Daily Express sensationalism. It was a tad sensationalist, but not Express like …please > >> Even if you leave unless you take up residence an damage to obtain > overseas >> domicile you or your estate will always be subject to UK tax > > So why did your friends leave over 5p in the pound tax on what they earned > over £150k a year, which they probably still had to pay? You're not making > sense. wel you add the then 10p increase in the top rate to their corporation tax bill…..and it gets to a point where they decide….enough. Simple > > > > > "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get > its pants on" > - Winston Churchill > "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually > come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels > > ….and party dogma is still dogma. Glad we agree on some points ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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>This politics malarkey is all a load of bollocks, from the hopeless local >councillor to the MPs, they are only in for career progression >and to look >after their own interests. >Politics, I would rather get a blowjob from a rabid bull terrier. easy to say, just as easy to say for instance, Magistrates a load of self serving nosey parkers who think they know best and whenever the opportunity presents itself will do what is best for them and their family and friends - justice a load of bollocks. But actually most Politicians and most magistrates do it for a sense of public duty and do their best, many of them are wrongheaded but at least they try and contribute, rather than sit on their hairy arses and moan. Anyway, if "Politics" has failed what's your suggestion for a replacement. From where I sit (on my hairy arse) we are a lot better off with our imperfect but accountable political and justice system than those living in dictatorships like China or Saudi Arabia. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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This politics malarkey is all a load of bollocks, from the hopeless local councillor to the MPs, they are only in for career progression and to look after their own interests. Is it any wonder there is voter apathy Take the recent vote on equal marriage, my local MP is down on record as saying he voted using his own ideals and opinions rather than that of his constituency, the views were different. He was elected by the people but is not representative, I certainly won't be voting for him next time now that his integrity is fucked. How many others did the same thing? How often is this standpoint echoed across other votes in the commons? Whilst billions were squandered propping up the banks, labour managed to create the most complex welfare system ever devised that just didn't work. Tax credits fiasco anyone, if I remember correctly it overpaid by well over a billion? Yes it is nice that folk should get the basics to live on but to give them a better standard of living than some of those paying tax is just outrageous. As for the 'poor people going on holidays', yes that does happen. We had to move a Court case because the defendant couldn't turn up as it was their annual pilgrimage to Florida. They had a couple of grand in outstanding fines and were on benefits. Then there is the shoplifter who can't afford food but is a benefit claimant on a 30 a day habit. These aren't isolated cases they are fairly representative across the whole country. Politics, I would rather get a blowjob from a rabid bull terrier. Sent from my iPad On 27 Feb 2013, at 12:42, "Paul Cundell" wrote: >> >> WOULD THAT BE THE LABOUR PARTY THEN ? >> >> As stated I have never found a candidate whose views match my own (in > public) >> so I have not voted. When I do I will….for that I may have to stand > > Well it wouldn't be the chuckle brothers from the bullingdon club, or the > wet weekend who makes promises he can't keep knowing he'll never be in power > only to rip them up when by some miracle he ended up in power. > >> I wil on Europe or if there's someone with adequate appeal in my > constituency > > Back peddling? I'm sure you said NEVER will. > >>> For every sensational waste of resources story, I'll give you a Fred > Godwin, >>> Starbucks, Amazon - all who get huge rewards for hedged risk. >> >> The pay off he got at RBS was obscene. >> Starbucks , Amazon and US corporate who use trust law and offshore > entities >> are a disgrace. >> This is not hedging, they are simply exploiting loopholes. They should pay > tax in >> the country that they earn the revenue. > It's hedging in the true sense of the word, making sure you win whatever > happens is hedging. > >>> how the rich can leave the country whilst the poor are stuck with >>> the mess the rich have left. >> >> The mess created by a decade of socialist squandering billions > > Really? Not by a load of greedy bankers on get rich schemes? > > The only billions that were truly squandered were the billions spent > propping up the fraudulent banks, which in a true capitalist world should > have been allowed to collapse and the current lot are still doing it - The > deficit myth is the grossest lie ever enforced upon the people and it has > been sold by exploiting people's economic illiteracy. > >> The poor have passports, they go on lots of foregn holidays > > Do they? More Daily Express sensationalism. > >> Even if you leave unless you take up residence an damage to obtain > overseas >> domicile you or your estate will always be subject to UK tax > > So why did your friends leave over 5p in the pound tax on what they earned > over £150k a year, which they probably still had to pay? You're not making > sense. > > > > > "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get > its pants on" > - Winston Churchill > "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually > come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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- Original Message - "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels As practiced and proven by a certain Ken W Bates. (sorry to inject a reference to Football). ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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> > WOULD THAT BE THE LABOUR PARTY THEN ? > > As stated I have never found a candidate whose views match my own (in public) > so I have not voted. When I do I will .for that I may have to stand Well it wouldn't be the chuckle brothers from the bullingdon club, or the wet weekend who makes promises he can't keep knowing he'll never be in power only to rip them up when by some miracle he ended up in power. > I wil on Europe or if there's someone with adequate appeal in my constituency Back peddling? I'm sure you said NEVER will. > > For every sensational waste of resources story, I'll give you a Fred Godwin, > > Starbucks, Amazon - all who get huge rewards for hedged risk. > > The pay off he got at RBS was obscene. > Starbucks , Amazon and US corporate who use trust law and offshore entities > are a disgrace. > This is not hedging, they are simply exploiting loopholes. They should pay tax in > the country that they earn the revenue. > It's hedging in the true sense of the word, making sure you win whatever happens is hedging. > > how the rich can leave the country whilst the poor are stuck with > > the mess the rich have left. > > The mess created by a decade of socialist squandering billions Really? Not by a load of greedy bankers on get rich schemes? The only billions that were truly squandered were the billions spent propping up the fraudulent banks, which in a true capitalist world should have been allowed to collapse and the current lot are still doing it - The deficit myth is the grossest lie ever enforced upon the people and it has been sold by exploiting people's economic illiteracy. > The poor have passports, they go on lots of foregn holidays Do they? More Daily Express sensationalism. > Even if you leave unless you take up residence an damage to obtain overseas > domicile you or your estate will always be subject to UK tax So why did your friends leave over 5p in the pound tax on what they earned over £150k a year, which they probably still had to pay? You're not making sense. "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on" - Winston Churchill "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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On 27 Feb 2013, at 11:36, Paul Cundell wrote: >> I go to the hustings. Have you ever been > > LMFAO - now who's making assumptions - card carrying member for 30 years, > canvassed, doorstepped and demonstrated. > Why would you support candidates who you aren't going to vote for - is that > so you can say I didn't vote for them when they f it up? WOULD THAT BE THE LABOUR PARTY THEN ? As stated I have never found a candidate whose views match my own (in public) so I have not voted. When I do I will….for that I may have to stand > >> I simply cannot bring myself to vote for Sir John Stanley , he is not > right wing >> enough, so I abstain. > > You said you never voted and never will. I wil on Europe or if there's someone with adequate appeal in my constituency > That implies it wouldn't matter if > Mussolini was standing, you wouldn't vote for him. No I would not vote for Benito or Adolf. > Now you're trying to > claim that your failure to take an active role in society is some sort of > justifiable abstention. I do take an active role in society. I just don't vote for those I do not support. > Has he always been your candidate? Why not stand as > an alternative? Drop Nick Griffin a line I'm sure you'd be welcomed with > open arms, Ouch. We are considering file;ding a candidate at the next election. It will not be me , it will be another "offended of Tunbridge Welles" > >> As I want grammar schools Im actually in favour of council taxes being >> increased ! >> I want my local services and Im very happy to pay. I use the mobile > library a lot >> and my bin gets empties and the potholes are filled. No complaints at all >> Tonbridge and malling are wonderful > > And you do what about it? You don't even vote to make sure it continues. I may if there were a risk to services, or a risk that there would be criminal levels of overspend….see Labour > You don't even believe that the people who provide the services should be > rewarded adequately. It is all subcontracted out down here. If the bin men are share holders or can participate via an ESOPS scheme Im delighted for them > They aren't taking any risk so they don't deserve any > reward, do they? They may well be taking capital risks if they invest in their own company. Ill ask the bin men next time they come ... > >> My other half works for the NHS. Damned hard. I just believe that the > budget >> needs to be reined in. I se no point in giving ninety year olds their > second hip >> replacement. > > Daily Express sensationalism - take a hypothetical nonsense story and make > out it's fact. I can give you dozens of them ! I hear things most evenings form an NHS quack > For every sensational waste of resources story, I'll give you a Fred Godwin, > Starbucks, Amazon - all who get huge rewards for hedged risk. The pay off he got at RBS was obscene. Starbucks , Amazon and US corporate who use trust law and offshore entities are a disgrace. This is not hedging, they are simply exploiting loopholes. They should pay tax in the country that they earn the revenue. > >> The NHS has hits merits and its problems. I choose not to use it , be > don't make >> me a pariah for that choice ! > > Never said anything of the sort, you've obviously got a guilty conscience - > if the cap fits though….. I pay for the NHS but in the event that Im ill I want to get better.QUICKLY, > >> Tax, I think that the 50p rate was unfair and this had ben cut to 45. A > step in >> the right direction. many people I know just left the country and took > their >> business with them. > > I think it was perfectly fair, it was only 50% on the bit earned over £150k, > but note how the rich can leave the country whilst the poor are stuck with > the mess the rich have left. The mess created by a decade of socialist squandering billions The poor have passports, they go on lots of foregn holidays Even if you leave unless you take up residence an damage to obtain overseas domicile you or your estate will always be subject to UK tax > >> Do you wish t make any more errors of judgement ? Aren't you mission > Jeremy >> Kyle or something ? > > Not too sure what Mission Jeremy Kyle is, but the errors of judgement are > all yours. > > Oh and I'm glad Fred Godwin lost everything - oh, wait on though, £345K a > year pension for destroying the world's biggest company?!?!? Is that really > risking and losing everything? > Fred…it iOS a fiasco…we are agreed ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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> I go to the hustings. Have you ever been LMFAO - now who's making assumptions - card carrying member for 30 years, canvassed, doorstepped and demonstrated. Why would you support candidates who you aren't going to vote for - is that so you can say I didn't vote for them when they f it up? > I simply cannot bring myself to vote for Sir John Stanley , he is not right wing > enough, so I abstain. You said you never voted and never will. That implies it wouldn't matter if Mussolini was standing, you wouldn't vote for him. Now you're trying to claim that your failure to take an active role in society is some sort of justifiable abstention. Has he always been your candidate? Why not stand as an alternative? Drop Nick Griffin a line I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms, > As I want grammar schools Im actually in favour of council taxes being > increased ! > I want my local services and Im very happy to pay. I use the mobile library a lot > and my bin gets empties and the potholes are filled. No complaints at all > Tonbridge and malling are wonderful And you do what about it? You don't even vote to make sure it continues. You don't even believe that the people who provide the services should be rewarded adequately. They aren't taking any risk so they don't deserve any reward, do they? > My other half works for the NHS. Damned hard. I just believe that the budget > needs to be reined in. I se no point in giving ninety year olds their second hip > replacement. Daily Express sensationalism - take a hypothetical nonsense story and make out it's fact. For every sensational waste of resources story, I'll give you a Fred Godwin, Starbucks, Amazon - all who get huge rewards for hedged risk. > The NHS has hits merits and its problems. I choose not to use it , be don't make > me a pariah for that choice ! Never said anything of the sort, you've obviously got a guilty conscience - if the cap fits though. > Tax, I think that the 50p rate was unfair and this had ben cut to 45. A step in > the right direction. many people I know just left the country and took their > business with them. I think it was perfectly fair, it was only 50% on the bit earned over £150k, but note how the rich can leave the country whilst the poor are stuck with the mess the rich have left. > Do you wish t make any more errors of judgement ? Aren't you mission Jeremy > Kyle or something ? Not too sure what Mission Jeremy Kyle is, but the errors of judgement are all yours. Oh and I'm glad Fred Godwin lost everything - oh, wait on though, £345K a year pension for destroying the world's biggest company?!?!? Is that really risking and losing everything? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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> I dont vote because I have never had a suitable candidate to vote for. Consider > it an abstention. > However I have attended hustings. > > You can hedge against market risk but Im afraid that the default swaps market > was found wanting so > > so Am,trust, Washington Mutual, Northern Rock, Lehman , RBS ..all failed.. > > and those who took risk either lost the lot or were diluted. And those who just worked there lost their jobs and careers, senior managers of RBS, Northern Rock and Lehman haven't lost very much. Below is a list of the Lehman directors who still have lucrative positions at other companies. Do you reckon the same can be said for their staff? Lehman Brothers board members Michael L. Ainslie Then: Private investor and former president and chief executive of Sotheby's Holdings. A director of the St. Joe Company, Sotheby's Holdings and Lehman Brothers Bank. Now: Private investor. Resigned from the board of the St. Joe Company in February 2012. John F. Akers Then: Private investor and retired chairman of I.B.M.. A director of the W.R. Grace & Company. Now: Private investor and a director of W.R. Grace & Company. Roger S. Berlind Then: Theatrical producer and private investor. Now: Theatrical producer and private investor. Thomas H. Cruikshank Then. Retired chairman and chief executive of Halliburton. Now: Retired. Marsha Johnson Evans Then: Rear admiral of the United States Navy (retired). Former president and chief executive of the American Red Cross. A director, Huntsman, Office Depot and Weight Watchers International. Now: A director of Office Depot and Weight Watchers International. Richard S. Fuld Jr. Then: Chairman and chief executive of Lehman Brothers. Now: Established a boutique firm, Matrix Advisors, affiliated with Legend Securities Sir Christopher Gent Then: Nonexecutive chairman of GlaxoSmithKline. Senior adviser to Bain & Company. A director of Ferrari. Now: Nonexecutive chairman of GlaxoSmithKline. Senior adviser to Bain & Company. A director of Ferrari and a member of KPMG's chairman advisory group. Jerry A. Grundhofer Then: Chairman emeritus and retired chief executive of U.S. Bancorp. A director of Ecolab and the Midland Company. Now: A director of Ecolab and the Midland Company, as well as a number of privately held banks. Appointed as a director of Citigroup in 2009 and left in June 2011. Roland A. Hernandez Then: Retired chairman and chief executive of the Telemundo Group. A director of MGM Mirage, the Ryland Group, Vail Resorts and Wal-Mart Stores. Now: A director of MGM Mirage, the Ryland Group, Vail Resorts and Sony. Henry Kaufman Then: President of Henry Kaufman & Company. Now: President of Henry Kaufman & Company. John D. Macomber Then: Principal of JDM Investment Group. Now: Principal of JDM Investment Group. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
