[LU] Non-LU : Wigan
> Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. I wouldn't, if I were in their shoes, and here's why. They are in the history books for ever as winners of the FA Cup (a trophy the mighty LUFC have also won precisely ... once) having beaten the stinking rich reigning Prem Champs with an injury time winner - it won't get any better than that for a club of their stature. So what if they got relegated ? They might be back next year - Hull haven't taken long to return. Sure, they might never get back, but then again if they'd stayed up this year then they'd only be favourites to go down next year, especially as Martinez is almost certain to leave (and would have done so even if they'd stayed up as he has to move onwards and upwards career wise now). They've earned (not been given, like Stoke 2 years ago) a place in Europe for the first time, and even if they don't last long, they will enjoy the ride. Instead of carping at them because they get smaller crowds than us, we should be looking to emulate them, both in the over-achievement of 8 years of Prem football (while we've scratched our ar$e in League 1 and the Championship) and the style of football they play. Al ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Non-LU : Wigan
Totally agree. Football is totally messed up if you'd take Premiership survival over winning the FA cup. Success for a PL club is defined by finishing in the top 4? What the hell is that about? In 20 years time, will people look back at Everton's 'Moyes glory days' of finishing in the top half of the table consistently on a small budget? Will they f*ck? They will see that Scum won the league god knows how many times. On 15 May 2013 12:27, Alan Edgar wrote: > > > Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. > > I wouldn't, if I were in their shoes, and here's why. > > They are in the history books for ever as winners of the FA Cup (a trophy > the mighty LUFC have also won precisely ... once) having beaten the > stinking rich reigning Prem Champs with an injury time winner - it won't > get any better than that for a club of their stature. > > So what if they got relegated ? > > They might be back next year - Hull haven't taken long to return. > > Sure, they might never get back, but then again if they'd stayed up this > year then they'd only be favourites to go down next year, especially as > Martinez is almost certain to leave (and would have done so even if they'd > stayed up as he has to move onwards and upwards career wise now). > > They've earned (not been given, like Stoke 2 years ago) a place in Europe > for the first time, and even if they don't last long, they will enjoy the > ride. > > Instead of carping at them because they get smaller crowds than us, we > should be looking to emulate them, both in the over-achievement of 8 years > of Prem football (while we've scratched our ar$e in League 1 and the > Championship) and the style of football they play. > > Al > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Non-LU : Wigan
Exactly. Or define success as being 17th out of 20 every year, which is unfortunately the limit of the ambitions of half the Premiership these days. Al Sent from my iPhone On 15 May 2013, at 12:34, Jim Moran wrote: > Totally agree. Football is totally messed up if you'd take Premiership > survival over winning the FA cup. > > Success for a PL club is defined by finishing in the top 4? What the hell is > that about? In 20 years time, will people look back at Everton's 'Moyes glory > days' of finishing in the top half of the table consistently on a small > budget? Will they f*ck? They will see that Scum won the league god knows how > many times. > > > On 15 May 2013 12:27, Alan Edgar wrote: >> >> > Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. >> >> I wouldn't, if I were in their shoes, and here's why. >> >> They are in the history books for ever as winners of the FA Cup (a trophy >> the mighty LUFC have also won precisely ... once) having beaten the stinking >> rich reigning Prem Champs with an injury time winner - it won't get any >> better than that for a club of their stature. >> >> So what if they got relegated ? >> >> They might be back next year - Hull haven't taken long to return. >> >> Sure, they might never get back, but then again if they'd stayed up this >> year then they'd only be favourites to go down next year, especially as >> Martinez is almost certain to leave (and would have done so even if they'd >> stayed up as he has to move onwards and upwards career wise now). >> >> They've earned (not been given, like Stoke 2 years ago) a place in Europe >> for the first time, and even if they don't last long, they will enjoy the >> ride. >> >> Instead of carping at them because they get smaller crowds than us, we >> should be looking to emulate them, both in the over-achievement of 8 years >> of Prem football (while we've scratched our ar$e in League 1 and the >> Championship) and the style of football they play. >> >> Al >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Non-LU : Wigan
Much I can agree with there Al. Our last 8 years have been pitiful in comparison. Some realism needs to come into the expectations of all Leeds fans - should we go up in the next couple of years, we would need an enormous cash injection to get into the top third of the Prem. Premier League this year has been weak, so if that continues we stand a chance of re-establishing ourselves, but the odds are stacked against us, unless we have a junior team with Batty, Speed, Strachan and MacAllister, and they've all been time-warped back to 16 years old :-) How we only ever won 1 FA Cup is beyond me?? From: Alan Edgar To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 12:27 Subject: [LU] Non-LU : Wigan > Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. I wouldn't, if I were in their shoes, and here's why. They are in the history books for ever as winners of the FA Cup (a trophy the mighty LUFC have also won precisely ... once) having beaten the stinking rich reigning Prem Champs with an injury time winner - it won't get any better than that for a club of their stature. So what if they got relegated ? They might be back next year - Hull haven't taken long to return. Sure, they might never get back, but then again if they'd stayed up this year then they'd only be favourites to go down next year, especially as Martinez is almost certain to leave (and would have done so even if they'd stayed up as he has to move onwards and upwards career wise now). They've earned (not been given, like Stoke 2 years ago) a place in Europe for the first time, and even if they don't last long, they will enjoy the ride. Instead of carping at them because they get smaller crowds than us, we should be looking to emulate them, both in the over-achievement of 8 years of Prem football (while we've scratched our ar$e in League 1 and the Championship) and the style of football they play. Al ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Non-LU : Wigan
Shows you how hard it is to win the Cup when a team finishing in the top 2 7 years out of 10 (65-74) only wins it once, and the team who has dominated the current decade hasn't won it since 2004. Such 2nd division luminaries as Sunderland, Southampton and West Ham have all won it since we have, as have so-called small clubs like Wimbledon, Coventry, Portsmouth and now Wigan. While I can understand Wenger ranking CL qualification above the League Cup, surely after 8 years without a pot he needs some sort of trophy to define the Emirates half of his tenure. Al Sent from my iPhone On 15 May 2013, at 12:39, John Lee wrote: > Much I can agree with there Al. Our last 8 years have been pitiful in > comparison. Some realism needs to come into the expectations of all Leeds > fans - should we go up in the next couple of years, we would need an enormous > cash injection to get into the top third of the Prem. Premier League this > year has been weak, so if that continues we stand a chance of re-establishing > ourselves, but the odds are stacked against us, unless we have a junior team > with Batty, Speed, Strachan and MacAllister, and they've all been time-warped > back to 16 years old :-) > > How we only ever won 1 FA Cup is beyond me?? > > From: Alan Edgar > To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" > Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 12:27 > Subject: [LU] Non-LU : Wigan > > > > Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. > > I wouldn't, if I were in their shoes, and here's why. > > They are in the history books for ever as winners of the FA Cup (a trophy the > mighty LUFC have also won precisely ... once) having beaten the stinking rich > reigning Prem Champs with an injury time winner - it won't get any better > than that for a club of their stature. > > So what if they got relegated ? > > They might be back next year - Hull haven't taken long to return. > > Sure, they might never get back, but then again if they'd stayed up this year > then they'd only be favourites to go down next year, especially as Martinez > is almost certain to leave (and would have done so even if they'd stayed up > as he has to move onwards and upwards career wise now). > > They've earned (not been given, like Stoke 2 years ago) a place in Europe for > the first time, and even if they don't last long, they will enjoy the ride. > > Instead of carping at them because they get smaller crowds than us, we should > be looking to emulate them, both in the over-achievement of 8 years of Prem > football (while we've scratched our ar$e in League 1 and the Championship) > and the style of football they play. > > Al > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
I've often wandered if an FA Cup winning team managed to be relegated from the Premiership / Top Flight in the same season Shoot me down if I'm wrong, but it could be that Wigan (currently losing 4-1 to Arsenal) may be the first club to do this. Perhaps this is why they were deciding whether or not to parade the FA Cup. Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
I'm happy for them to be relegated. Tin pot , imposters. On 14 May 2013, at 21:31, "Sutton / Smail" wrote: > I've often wandered if an FA Cup winning team managed to be relegated from > the Premiership / Top Flight in the same season > Shoot me down if I'm wrong, but it could be that Wigan (currently losing 4-1 > to Arsenal) may be the first club to do this. Perhaps this is why they were > deciding whether or not to parade the FA Cup. > Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. > Dave > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
I can't see them challenging us next year. Martinez and any decent player will leave. They are going to quickly fall apart and be left on the wayside of football. Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
3rd division is looming for them especially after their chairman pegs it. On 14 May 2013, at 21:36, Mark Tuffey wrote: > I can't see them challenging us next year. Martinez and any decent player > will leave. They are going to quickly fall apart and be left on the wayside > of football. > Cheers > Mark > El Presidente Wisconsin Whites > Leeds United > Chicago Fire > > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
They are the first to win the FA Cup and get relegated in the same season. Quite a few clubs have been losing finalists and got relegated in the same season, but Wigan are the first to actually win it and go down. TMW. From: Sutton / Smail To: Leeds List (Post to list) Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 21:31 Subject: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History? I've often wandered if an FA Cup winning team managed to be relegated from the Premiership / Top Flight in the same season Shoot me down if I'm wrong, but it could be that Wigan (currently losing 4-1 to Arsenal) may be the first club to do this. Perhaps this is why they were deciding whether or not to parade the FA Cup. Bet they'd happily relinquish the Cup to avoid relegation. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
Not so sure! They get a bumper pay out, european football. I can see them keeping some of the players and bouncing straight back Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Tuffey Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:36:42 To: Richard Walker; Sutton Smail Cc: Leeds List \(Post to list\) Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History? I can't see them challenging us next year. Martinez and any decent player will leave. They are going to quickly fall apart and be left on the wayside of football. Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
-Original Message- From: Richard Walker I'm happy for them to be relegated. Tin pot , imposters. We hate that sense of entitlement that Manchester's fans like to exhibit. But we do see comments like the one above on our List pretty frequently. Isn't that just the same ugly trait? JB ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
Totally agree with you John Here's to more tin pot impostors holding their own at the top and that includes us Do we really want half-a-dozen or less elitist unbelievably rich businesses (once know as football clubs) with avarice, profit followed by glory as a motive raking in the gains from television, merchandizing and exploitation of fans and fan base both at home and world wide? It's football Jim but not as we knew it guy On 15 May 2013 at 13:03, John Barber wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Walker I'm happy for them to be relegated. Tin pot , imposters. We hate that sense of entitlement that Manchester's fans like to exhibit. But we do see comments like the one above on our List pretty frequently. Isn't that just the same ugly trait? JB ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
First to win FA Cup and be relegated in the same year…yes. But, as I recall,
Boro was a losing finalist in both cups the year they were relegated and went
on to play in Europe out of the Championship the following season…and came
right back up.
I wonder, though, where Martinez will go. Had they stayed up I'd think he'd
have been headed back to Spain and a high profile job ('praps even Barca). Not
so sure now.
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Re: [LU] NON LU: Wigan Make History?
They're too well run to struggle next season - unless Martinez leaves or Whelan pegs it as Rich put it. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
