Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-24 Thread John Lee
I remember that one Ted, although I always thought is was Harry Roberts is our 
friend, is our friend, he kills coppers! Never sang it myself as I don't think 
I knew who Harry Roberts was? It didn't half use to get the coppers riled 
though. In the 70s, if you were unlucky enough to have any active participation 
with the police at a football ground, this was usually quite bad news :-( 

 On Thursday, 23 October 2014, 13:08, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
   

 On 23 October 2014 12:52, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Actually Barry is dead int he?


Yeah - as he was discovered - he shot himself at the same time as the
police opened fire.  1982ish I think.
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-24 Thread Jeremy Thorpe
Your Harry Roberts song recollection is accurate along with Shoots the bastards 
with a gun, with a gun, with a gun then I can't remember the sign off. 
Incidentally I've just discovered he's at Littlehey Prison which is just down 
the road from me. There's been quite a few incidents  / scraps there over the 
last couple of years that the riot police got called in to put down, boiling 
sugar thrown at officers, one caught a TV on the back of his head etc. Lots of 
young offenders all being coached by Harry by the sounds of it.

Jezz

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I remember that one Ted, although I always thought is was Harry Roberts is our 
friend, is our friend, he kills coppers! Never sang it myself as I don't think 
I knew who Harry Roberts was? It didn't half use to get the coppers riled 
though. In the 70s, if you were unlucky enough to have any active participation 
with the police at a football ground, this was usually quite bad news :-( 



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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-24 Thread Rob Heath
Harry Robertsa hero then, and a hero now.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 4:03 PM, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I remember that one Ted, although I always thought is was Harry Roberts is
 our friend, is our friend, he kills coppers! Never sang it myself as I
 don't think I knew who Harry Roberts was? It didn't half use to get the
 coppers riled though. In the 70s, if you were unlucky enough to have any
 active participation with the police at a football ground, this was usually
 quite bad news :-(

  On Thursday, 23 October 2014, 13:08, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:


  On 23 October 2014 12:52, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

  Actually Barry is dead int he?
 
 
 Yeah - as he was discovered - he shot himself at the same time as the
 police opened fire.  1982ish I think.
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-24 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
On 24 October 2014 15:24, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 Harry Roberts


​Disgusted---

   1. Harry Maurice Roberts is an English career criminal who in 1966
   instigated the Shepherd's Bush murders, in which three police officers were
   shot dead. Wikipedia
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Roberts_(criminal)

​


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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-24 Thread wayne callaghan
   Harry Roberts is (an will forever be)
   A cowardly cunt who shot 3 unarmed men dead. They should let him rot
   inside.

   Wayne

   On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:24 pm, Rob Heath [1]rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
   wrote:

 Harry Robertsa hero then, and a hero now.
 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 4:03 PM, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
  I remember that one Ted, although I always thought is was Harry
 Roberts is
  our friend, is our friend, he kills coppers! Never sang it myself
 as I
  don't think I knew who Harry Roberts was? It didn't half use to
 get the
  coppers riled though. In the 70s, if you were unlucky enough to
 have any
  active participation with the police at a football ground, this
 was usually
  quite bad news :-(
 
   On Thursday, 23 October 2014, 13:08, Ted
 tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
   On 23 October 2014 12:52, Richard Walker
 richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
   Actually Barry is dead int he?
  
  
  Yeah - as he was discovered - he shot himself at the same time as
 the
  police opened fire.  1982ish I think.
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Ted
Dave wrote:

 ... I know I am ashamed of some of the things I have called people...


Talking of which - see this morning they are going to release Harry Roberts
after 48 years in prison.  Anyone else (of an age) embarrassed to admit
they sang the Harry Roberts is our King chant back in the day?  I was
only a young idiot m'lud.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Richard Walker
And Barry Prudent

 On 23 Oct 2014, at 07:52, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dave wrote:
 
 ... I know I am ashamed of some of the things I have called people...
 
 
 Talking of which - see this morning they are going to release Harry Roberts
 after 48 years in prison.  Anyone else (of an age) embarrassed to admit
 they sang the Harry Roberts is our King chant back in the day?  I was
 only a young idiot m'lud.
 
 Ted H
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one...which funny
enough is what Cellino says this morning...
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/fa-cameron-jerome-racism-complaint-giuseppe-bellusci
 
 

The Football Association has confirmed it is investigating allegations by the
Norwich City striker Cameron Jerome that he was racially abused by the Leeds
defender Giuseppe Bellusci
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/norwich-leeds-racism-championship
.

The alleged word is understood to have been “negro”, although this has yet to be
confirmed. Negro is the term which led to the former Liverpool striker Luis
Suárez receiving an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine after he abused Manchester
United’s Patrice Evra.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/iverpool-luis-suarez-race-row-patrice-evra-all-false

Jerome complained to the referee Mark Clattenburg midway through the first half
of the 1-1 draw at Carrow Road on Tuesday, and the match official is to submit a
report to the FA.

The referee halted the game following Jerome’s verbal clash and Clattenburg then
addressed both managers on the touchline.

The Leeds owner, Massimo Cellino, has denied Bellusci – who joined in the summer
from Serie B side Catania – is a racist but said he will sack him if the
allegation is proved correct.

“Bellusci is no racist,” Cellino told the Yorkshire Evening Post. “I spoke with
him and he said ‘you must be joking, I said nothing like this to him’. He is
surprised by this. He is shocked. I don’t allow racists at this club and I won’t
allow racists at this club ever. If one of my players is a racist, I’ll kick his
arse and kick him out before the FA has a chance.

“Bellusci says he spoke [to Jerome] in Italian. I don’t know if he [Jerome]
speaks Italian too but Bellusci swears to me he said nothing racist.”

Jerome said on Twitter he would not publicly reveal what was said to him: “On
what was actually said would not be fair for me to say at this point but it will
be a matter for the governing body to deal with.

“As all will know an allegation has been made by myself to the referee in which
he made note of and will write it in his match report.”
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Ian Murray
Don't worry, the authorities will make sure we're fucked over good and proper.

Sent from my iPhone

 On 23 Oct 2014, at 16:32, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one...which 
 funny
 enough is what Cellino says this morning...
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/fa-cameron-jerome-racism-complaint-giuseppe-bellusci
 
 
 
 The Football Association has confirmed it is investigating allegations by the
 Norwich City striker Cameron Jerome that he was racially abused by the Leeds
 defender Giuseppe Bellusci
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/norwich-leeds-racism-championship
 .
 
 The alleged word is understood to have been “negro”, although this has yet to 
 be
 confirmed. Negro is the term which led to the former Liverpool striker Luis
 Suárez receiving an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine after he abused 
 Manchester
 United’s Patrice Evra.
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/iverpool-luis-suarez-race-row-patrice-evra-all-false
 
 Jerome complained to the referee Mark Clattenburg midway through the first 
 half
 of the 1-1 draw at Carrow Road on Tuesday, and the match official is to 
 submit a
 report to the FA.
 
 The referee halted the game following Jerome’s verbal clash and Clattenburg 
 then
 addressed both managers on the touchline.
 
 The Leeds owner, Massimo Cellino, has denied Bellusci – who joined in the 
 summer
 from Serie B side Catania – is a racist but said he will sack him if the
 allegation is proved correct.
 
 “Bellusci is no racist,” Cellino told the Yorkshire Evening Post. “I spoke 
 with
 him and he said ‘you must be joking, I said nothing like this to him’. He is
 surprised by this. He is shocked. I don’t allow racists at this club and I 
 won’t
 allow racists at this club ever. If one of my players is a racist, I’ll kick 
 his
 arse and kick him out before the FA has a chance.
 
 “Bellusci says he spoke [to Jerome] in Italian. I don’t know if he [Jerome]
 speaks Italian too but Bellusci swears to me he said nothing racist.”
 
 Jerome said on Twitter he would not publicly reveal what was said to him: “On
 what was actually said would not be fair for me to say at this point but it 
 will
 be a matter for the governing body to deal with.
 
 “As all will know an allegation has been made by myself to the referee in 
 which
 he made note of and will write it in his match report.”
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Brendan Osborne
Didn't Suarez use the word negrito?
 
I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one - agreed! 
 
Wasn't Cameron Jerome booked during the incident? 
 
 
Ossie
 
 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:32:22 +0100
 From: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?
 
 I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one..

 .
 
 The alleged word is understood to have been “negro”, although this has yet to 
 be
 confirmed. Negro is the term which led to the former Liverpool striker Luis
 Suárez receiving an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine after he abused 
 Manchester
 United’s Patrice Evra.
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/iverpool-luis-suarez-race-row-patrice-evra-all-false

 


  
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
As far as I know: Cameron, known to be very bent, clocked Bellusci. Then
claimed it was because of. First give Cameron a Red card and start from
what you can prove. If not you can hit anyone and say he abused you. Great
defense.

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On 23 October 2014 11:39, Brendan Osborne bosborn...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Didn't Suarez use the word negrito?

 I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one -
 agreed!

 Wasn't Cameron Jerome booked during the incident?


 Ossie

  Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:32:22 +0100
  From: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Subject: Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?
 
  I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one..

  .
 
  The alleged word is understood to have been “negro”, although this has
 yet to be
  confirmed. Negro is the term which led to the former Liverpool striker
 Luis
  Suárez receiving an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine after he abused
 Manchester
  United’s Patrice Evra.
  
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/iverpool-luis-suarez-race-row-patrice-evra-all-false
 
 
 



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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread nat...@sky.com
I think that even if the FA find him guilty Cellino will say (similar to Terry 
case) that although he said a racist thing he is not actually a racist and so 
will not sack him.
Surely, if a player was clearly and openly racist the black players in the team 
, and probably others, would be complaining and refusing to work with him?

As for Harry Roberts - yes guilty,although I always thought it was Harry 
Roberts is our friend not king?

Dave



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To: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2014, 9:32
Subject: Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?
 

I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one...which funny
enough is what Cellino says this morning...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/fa-cameron-jerome-racism-complaint-giuseppe-bellusci
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread nat...@sky.com
I think that is in the wrong order - from what I have read and what I heard 
live. Thomas gave Bellusci a bit of a dig. Bellusci gave him a load of verbals 
and Thomas complained to ref who spoke to all inc benches. Then as soon as play 
restarted the ball came to Belusci and Thomas clattered into him and was 
booked. From that it is clear that Thomas was upset at something that was said

Dave



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To: Brendan Osborne bosborn...@hotmail.com 
Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2014, 10:22
Subject: Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?
 

As far as I know: Cameron, known to be very bent, clocked Bellusci. Then
claimed it was because of. First give Cameron a Red card and start from
what you can prove. If not you can hit anyone and say he abused you. Great
defense.

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On 23 October 2014 11:39, Brendan Osborne bosborn...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Didn't Suarez use the word negrito?

 I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one -
 agreed!

 Wasn't Cameron Jerome booked during the incident?


 Ossie

  Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:32:22 +0100
  From: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Subject: Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?
 
  I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one..

  .
 
  The alleged word is understood to have been “negro”, although this has
 yet to be
  confirmed. Negro is the term which led to the former Liverpool striker
 Luis
  Suárez receiving an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine after he abused
 Manchester
  United’s Patrice Evra.
  
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/iverpool-luis-suarez-race-row-patrice-evra-all-false
 
 
 



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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread [broken-address] Graham White
Deffo Harry Roberts is our friend, etc. can remember quite clearly!

Cheers

 
Graham White


On Thursday, 23 October 2014, 10:29, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 


I think that even if the FA find him guilty Cellino will say (similar to Terry 
case) that although he said a racist thing he is not actually a racist and so 
will not sack him.
Surely, if a player was clearly and openly racist the black players in the team 
, and probably others, would be complaining and refusing to work with him?

As for Harry Roberts - yes guilty,although I always thought it was Harry 
Roberts is our friend not king?

Dave




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To: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?


I like him as a defender...but if he's a racist then he can do one...which funny
enough is what Cellino says this morning...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/fa-cameron-jerome-racism-complaint-giuseppe-bellusci
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Ted
Dave wrote:

 As for Harry Roberts - yes guilty,although I always thought it was Harry
 Roberts is our friend not king?


Stand corrected!!!  Of course it was 'Friend', God knows why I put 'King'!
Must have been daydreaming!

And it was Barry Prudom Rich, not Prudent! (maybe that was a predictive
text error!?)

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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Richard Walker
Yeah that's the fella. Shot the b'stards one by one.

Bloody terrible - I wouldn't let him out.

 On 23 Oct 2014, at 12:12, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dave wrote:
 
 As for Harry Roberts - yes guilty,although I always thought it was Harry
 Roberts is our friend not king?
 Stand corrected!!!  Of course it was 'Friend', God knows why I put 'King'!
 Must have been daydreaming!
 
 And it was Barry Prudom Rich, not Prudent! (maybe that was a predictive
 text error!?)
 
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Richard Walker
Actually Barry is dead int he?

 On 23 Oct 2014, at 12:45, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Yeah that's the fella. Shot the b'stards one by one.
 
 Bloody terrible - I wouldn't let him out.
 
 On 23 Oct 2014, at 12:12, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dave wrote:
 
 As for Harry Roberts - yes guilty,although I always thought it was Harry
 Roberts is our friend not king?
 Stand corrected!!!  Of course it was 'Friend', God knows why I put 'King'!
 Must have been daydreaming!
 
 And it was Barry Prudom Rich, not Prudent! (maybe that was a predictive
 text error!?)
 
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-23 Thread Ted
On 23 October 2014 12:52, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Actually Barry is dead int he?


Yeah - as he was discovered - he shot himself at the same time as the
police opened fire.  1982ish I think.
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-22 Thread Richard Walker
Good riddance , he's not a defender.

 On 22 Oct 2014, at 10:52, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 I assume everyone knows tat Bellusci has been reported for racist abuse on 
 Jerome Thomas ?
 Having listened to match via LUTV and seen the bits on Sky it is clear 
 something was said that upset Thomas , he went straight to ref, it is not one 
 of those cases where the player objects afterwards or after he has done 
 something and claimed it was a response to racism.
 
 I think it is a 9 game ban or something like that if convicted ? I have not 
 heard Bellusci speak so no idea if he can claim that Thomas misheard what was 
 said etc
 
 Always feel a touch of sympathy for the player who says something wrong in 
 the heat of an argument, to me Suarez constantly  calling Evra racist name  
 was miles worse than Terry calling Ferdinand something in the middle of a row 
 - I know I am ashamed of some of the things I have called people inc my wife 
 when I am arguing and have lost the plot, I say the most hurtful thing that 
 pops into my head!
 
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-22 Thread Ian Murray
Couple of cracking goals though!

Sent from my iPhone

 On 22 Oct 2014, at 17:54, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Good riddance , he's not a defender.
 
 On 22 Oct 2014, at 10:52, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 I assume everyone knows tat Bellusci has been reported for racist abuse on 
 Jerome Thomas ?
 Having listened to match via LUTV and seen the bits on Sky it is clear 
 something was said that upset Thomas , he went straight to ref, it is not 
 one of those cases where the player objects afterwards or after he has done 
 something and claimed it was a response to racism.
 
 I think it is a 9 game ban or something like that if convicted ? I have not 
 heard Bellusci speak so no idea if he can claim that Thomas misheard what 
 was said etc
 
 Always feel a touch of sympathy for the player who says something wrong in 
 the heat of an argument, to me Suarez constantly  calling Evra racist name  
 was miles worse than Terry calling Ferdinand something in the middle of a 
 row - I know I am ashamed of some of the things I have called people inc my 
 wife when I am arguing and have lost the plot, I say the most hurtful thing 
 that pops into my head!
 
 Dave
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Re: [LU] Bye bye Bellusci ?

2014-10-22 Thread John Lee
Completely agree with Rich - he can't defend, although in previous games he's 
had plenty to say to everyone else around him on the subject!  The Jerome thing 
seems to be not good from an LUFC perspective - no doubt it will come out what 
has been alleged, If he said racist stuff then get rid - losing all the 
associations with the past means taking steps towards the moral/political 
high-ground and taking action, rather than defending players for the 
indefensible. All that said, we don't know the details yet. Coincidentally, I 
see that Verona had a hefty fine yesterday for racist abuse.  

 On Wednesday, 22 October 2014, 10:55, Ian Murray 
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
   

 Couple of cracking goals though!

Sent from my iPhone

 On 22 Oct 2014, at 17:54, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Good riddance , he's not a defender.
 
 On 22 Oct 2014, at 10:52, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 I assume everyone knows tat Bellusci has been reported for racist abuse on 
 Jerome Thomas ?
 Having listened to match via LUTV and seen the bits on Sky it is clear 
 something was said that upset Thomas , he went straight to ref, it is not 
 one of those cases where the player objects afterwards or after he has done 
 something and claimed it was a response to racism.
 
 I think it is a 9 game ban or something like that if convicted ? I have not 
 heard Bellusci speak so no idea if he can claim that Thomas misheard what 
 was said etc
 
 Always feel a touch of sympathy for the player who says something wrong in 
 the heat of an argument, to me Suarez constantly  calling Evra racist name  
 was miles worse than Terry calling Ferdinand something in the middle of a 
 row - I know I am ashamed of some of the things I have called people inc my 
 wife when I am arguing and have lost the plot, I say the most hurtful thing 
 that pops into my head!
 
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