Re: thin stock support
Very Nice Bill Where did you get those brackets? They look factory made. If you made those by hand, I take my hat off to you. (WoW! Nice job.) When not in use as a stock support, you can also us them and the new Legacy mobility kit. (Need to move your Legacy? No problem, not with the Big Bill's mobility kit!) ;-) Awesome job Bill. thanks for sharing. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:40 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support I just made this I havent even tryed it out it looks as if it will hold work 7/8 inch to a bit over 3 inches I will give it a try when i do another karate stick my new piece of purple heart arrived today. Bill - Original Message - From: aussiman bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:36 PM Subject: thin stock support some rail a few legacy bolts and brackets 2 scooter wheels from the local toy shop and a simple thin stock support is born. I found these wheels in out local toy shop and i knew i could put them to some good woodwork use. some pics to follow Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: Chuck Adapter
Hello All I just got home form the hardware store. Today I found out that they had a 2' long 1x8 all thread rod, and nuts to fit. the rod was more expensive than what I bough mine for, but the nuts were $1.68 ea.the thickness of the nut is heaver than I like,but a saw or metal cutting wheel will handle that problem. Just though you would all like to know that Parts are easer to find than ever before. ;-) Have a great day ALL! C.A.G. On Jun 28, 8:38 pm, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, mounting a chuck to a board or waste table is pretty easy. The 1-8 is a common bolt size. Just drill a hole in the waste board and bolt your chuck in from the bottom. In my case, the adapter was made from 1-8 all thread. McMaster sells it as well as most hardware stores. For years I have considered making a custom swiveling chuck mount to hold work in the legacy. I've considered making it index and angle at whatever angle I need so I can use the 2704 bit to make facets or whatever bit comes to mind. With just mounting the chuck in a fixed position, it seems very limited which is why I shared this one. Mounting the threaded adapter to my rotary table is a given. Since I have a threaded insert in mine right now it's an easy add on. The added height of the chuck might be the limiting factor on stock Legacy's. I recall we have about 3 with the rotary table installed, my Nova chuck is 3 tall with low profile jaws. That's where the added 2 of travel my leg kit provides would really help. Having said that, I don't like metal jaws so close to the router bits. I have discovered that the carbide bits do a fabulous machining job on your expensive four jaw chuck with a very clean finish and hardly any chatter. In fact, you will not even notice it until your cut is done. At least that's how I ruined my jaws :-). I've got some idea on expanding and contracting plastic that I have not had a chance to mock up that I hope to share with the group in a few months. I also have some rotary clamping methods I'd like to bounce around at a later date. Keep the ideas coming. If anyone needs something machined, contact me offlist and I will take care of you. -Tim - Original Message - From: Groovy Wood LLC To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: RE: Chuck Adapter Planning on trying McMaster Carr. Thanks Greg From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of curt george Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:36 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Chuck Adapter Hello everyone. Greg. I just went to my favorite metal supply house and bought 12 (14 realy it was already cut.) for $10.60 Its sold as all thread rod, 1by 8 threads per inch. Its the same as all my adaptors that I use For my lathe as well as Legacy. I am planning to cut it down and turn one end to fit into a bearing, for a jig Im planning to make. Just call around Im sure that you will be able to find it in your area if you take a good look,its not expensive or hard to find once you know where to look. ;-) Good luck on your project. I cant wait to see how it turns out. Have a great day. C.A.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: thin stock support
all the brackets are legacy's all I bought and added was the wheels and 2 bolts Bill - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support Very Nice Bill Where did you get those brackets? They look factory made. If you made those by hand, I take my hat off to you. (WoW! Nice job.) When not in use as a stock support, you can also us them and the new Legacy mobility kit. (Need to move your Legacy? No problem, not with the Big Bill's mobility kit!) ;-) Awesome job Bill. thanks for sharing. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:40 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support I just made this I havent even tryed it out it looks as if it will hold work 7/8 inch to a bit over 3 inches I will give it a try when i do another karate stick my new piece of purple heart arrived today. Bill - Original Message - From: aussiman bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:36 PM Subject: thin stock support some rail a few legacy bolts and brackets 2 scooter wheels from the local toy shop and a simple thin stock support is born. I found these wheels in out local toy shop and i knew i could put them to some good woodwork use. some pics to follow Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
RE: thin stock support
Did you buy them or did they come with you machine? I don't have any that look like that and defiantly no extras that look like it. Thanks Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: thin stock support
Hello Bill in my manual it states that I can up-grade my machine with longer rail but there are not pictures or anything other than the statement. It looks like you got everything that you've got, right off the shelf, so to speak. Even if the parts are still available its hard to order parts with out seeing if they are the same as what you have. (In short no order no. No part number.No names,or ??? Makes it very hard to get what you want.) I will do some home work and see if I can come up with something. ;-) Thanks for sharing with us. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:40 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support the 90 degree brackets I ordered from legacy they were used on a older model machine the 200 I believe it was. and the strait brackets are from the template rail mounting kit an extra legacy used to sell, I don't know if they would still have any I bought several of them once, it was the cheapest way of getting some extra rail at the time to lengthen my model 900. each one came with the brackets so I ended up with several of them, there should be pictures of the kit in your legacy manual that came with the machine.I'm sure you guys over there would have a lot easier job getting these parts now if available than I would way over here in Australia Bill - Original Message - From: Groovy Wood LLC groovyw...@gmail.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:20 AM Subject: RE: thin stock support Did you buy them or did they come with you machine? I don't have any that look like that and defiantly no extras that look like it. Thanks Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: what do you think of this???
Hello All, I've been out of the loop for a while. The price of the Legacy CNCs may actually go down as the prices for all cnc machines drop in the face of global competition. With the ornamental mills the prices stayed high because they did not (and still do not) have a real competitor. (The market was too small for the overseas producers to get into the game. The market was so small in fact that they dropped models all the time for want of adequate sales.) As you notice, many of Legacy's cnc videos talk about competition. As you know Legacy has introduced a 3 axis cnc, but for the life of me I can't figure out how they will compete at with the Shopbot and others which are much cheaper and have large design libraries. Most flatstock people want to make signs and kitchen cabinets, which the libraries serve very well. Soon there will be other 5 axis machines on the market and legacy's advantage will probably boil down to its conversational cam and distance training classes. Begat On Jun 28, 9:07 pm, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mike, Yes, they really left the owners of the ITR-33, Woodchuck MA, Models 200, 400,500, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, 1800, 2000, 2200, and Revo owners in the dust! Curt's was the only model with an actual upgrade part available! hahahahaha!!! -Tim - Original Message - From: Okla Mike (Liltwisted) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: what do you think of this??? That would be the path less traveled i am afraid. Pretty funny though. Mike On 6/28/2011 7:29 PM, Tim Krause wrote: Hate to be cynical, but when you're ready to convert the frame to the cnc version your going to end up paying more than the machine would have cost. Why not step up to the plate and get a loan and buy the fully loaded version. I'd be willing to bet Legacy will offer a trade in program for some of the parts to help you with the upgrade path. Your 1000 is upgradeable, they made the z-axis conversion kit for that model. They did offer the standard and performance cnc packages until they took it to the next level with the black machines. Where's Mike's (woodchuck owner) upgrade path :-) -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:07 AM Subject: Re: what do you think of this??? Hello Bill I wrote Tracy a private e-mail and asked if I could buy a DVD of this shadow. We will see soon what will happen? Now the funny thing here is when I bought my 1000ex. I was told it too was fully upgradeable too. As times change even this new toy will become Obsolete someday. I guess the big question / 's are, will this machine hold up to the test of time, and will Legacy continue makeing this unit in the future? I guess time will tell. talk to you all latter. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:03 AM Subject: Re: what do you think of this??? perhaps they will do a demo video on the legacy cnc sight for every one to see it will be interesting to see how they work the gears for spirals Bill - Original Message - From: curt george To: Legacy Google group Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: what do you think of this??? The new manual Ornamental Mill (code named Shadow) is based on the Arty CNC frame shown above. Although the system will be manually driven, it is CNC ready allowing you the options of upgrading to CNC at a later time. Designed to replace the popular model 1200, the Shadow CNC is available in two sizes and features a wider welded and fully assembled frame, linear bearings and shafts, Z-Axis and Legacy's exclusive Adjustable Bed. Now for the good news - The 36 system cost less than the model 1200 with a Z-Axis upgrade did 3 years ago. Originally designed as a CNC system, the Shadow Ornamental Mill is ready for CNC when you are. 36 Shadow Ornamental Mill $3,500 58 Shadow Ornamental Mill $4,200 I think this is a pretty neat system, I would like to see it with the gears and all. If I were going to replace the 1200 searies, I think the 58 unit would be a must. Dose anyone have first hand info on this system. I personaly would like to see it up and running. Tracy or Andy. do you guys have a DVD of this unit? I would buy one just to get a better look. talk to you all latter. Have a good night. C.A.G. -- No virus found in this
Re: thin stock support
knowing legacy as i do good luck Bill - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:16 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support Hello Bill in my manual it states that I can up-grade my machine with longer rail but there are not pictures or anything other than the statement. It looks like you got everything that you've got, right off the shelf, so to speak. Even if the parts are still available its hard to order parts with out seeing if they are the same as what you have. (In short no order no. No part number.No names,or ??? Makes it very hard to get what you want.) I will do some home work and see if I can come up with something. ;-) Thanks for sharing with us. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:40 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support the 90 degree brackets I ordered from legacy they were used on a older model machine the 200 I believe it was. and the strait brackets are from the template rail mounting kit an extra legacy used to sell, I don't know if they would still have any I bought several of them once, it was the cheapest way of getting some extra rail at the time to lengthen my model 900. each one came with the brackets so I ended up with several of them, there should be pictures of the kit in your legacy manual that came with the machine.I'm sure you guys over there would have a lot easier job getting these parts now if available than I would way over here in Australia Bill - Original Message - From: Groovy Wood LLC groovyw...@gmail.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:20 AM Subject: RE: thin stock support Did you buy them or did they come with you machine? I don't have any that look like that and defiantly no extras that look like it. Thanks Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: thin stock support
if legacy doesn't make them any more then maybe Tim can or similar. sounds like a few out there might like some what do you think Bill - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support Thanks Tim Those brackets are the real trick to making this stock support work.(Not trying to take anything away from you Bill, Great job on this one.) But Having those two little tangs hold the brackets in place with only one mounting screw to mount it on the Legacy rails are A Real SLICK Idea! I have no idea who came up with that! But who ever did is one pretty smart Cookie in my books. Legacy did not have anything like that when I bought my unit. Those brackets alone would have taken up much of the slop with in the rails, that the earlier Legacy's had. Man Just think about it, with those brackets alone, we might have been able to keep many of our Fast Eddies Happy Legacy customer back then. OWell that's water under the bridge now! Just my two cents worth of it. I like it! Its ESP (Efficient,Simple, and Practical.) You cant ask for anything more. That alone makes it an A+ in my book. ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:39 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support The tall bracket that holds the wheels are from the template upgrade kit like Bill said. The other angle bracket with two tabs are used to hold the vertical and horizontal vises in place. The wheels look like roller blade wheels that can be bought at sporting goods stores, or you can get them off a used pair of skates at most thrift stores. The bearings are typically 8mm which mount very easily to some 5/16 all- thread or bolt. It should take very little time to make a bracket to hold the wheels. I would think you could get away with only one bracket to hold the wheels. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support Hello Bill in my manual it states that I can up-grade my machine with longer rail but there are not pictures or anything other than the statement. It looks like you got everything that you've got, right off the shelf, so to speak. Even if the parts are still available its hard to order parts with out seeing if they are the same as what you have. (In short no order no. No part number.No names,or ??? Makes it very hard to get what you want.) I will do some home work and see if I can come up with something. ;-) Thanks for sharing with us. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:40 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support the 90 degree brackets I ordered from legacy they were used on a older model machine the 200 I believe it was. and the strait brackets are from the template rail mounting kit an extra legacy used to sell, I don't know if they would still have any I bought several of them once, it was the cheapest way of getting some extra rail at the time to lengthen my model 900. each one came with the brackets so I ended up with several of them, there should be pictures of the kit in your legacy manual that came with the machine.I'm sure you guys over there would have a lot easier job getting these parts now if available than I would way over here in Australia Bill - Original Message - From: Groovy Wood LLC groovyw...@gmail.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:20 AM Subject: RE: thin stock support Did you buy them or did they come with you machine? I don't have any that look like that and defiantly no extras that look like it. Thanks Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message
Re: thin stock support
You know, I can make any bracket that comes to mind. Anyone can contact me off list and lets see if we can make a deal. I offer drafting services, fabrication and ideas to get your project moving in the right direction. Your only limitation is communication :-) -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:30 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support if legacy doesn't make them any more then maybe Tim can or similar. sounds like a few out there might like some what do you think Bill - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support Thanks Tim Those brackets are the real trick to making this stock support work.(Not trying to take anything away from you Bill, Great job on this one.) But Having those two little tangs hold the brackets in place with only one mounting screw to mount it on the Legacy rails are A Real SLICK Idea! I have no idea who came up with that! But who ever did is one pretty smart Cookie in my books. Legacy did not have anything like that when I bought my unit. Those brackets alone would have taken up much of the slop with in the rails, that the earlier Legacy's had. Man Just think about it, with those brackets alone, we might have been able to keep many of our Fast Eddies Happy Legacy customer back then. OWell that's water under the bridge now! Just my two cents worth of it. I like it! Its ESP (Efficient,Simple, and Practical.) You cant ask for anything more. That alone makes it an A+ in my book. ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:39 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support The tall bracket that holds the wheels are from the template upgrade kit like Bill said. The other angle bracket with two tabs are used to hold the vertical and horizontal vises in place. The wheels look like roller blade wheels that can be bought at sporting goods stores, or you can get them off a used pair of skates at most thrift stores. The bearings are typically 8mm which mount very easily to some 5/16 all- thread or bolt. It should take very little time to make a bracket to hold the wheels. I would think you could get away with only one bracket to hold the wheels. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: thin stock support Hello Bill in my manual it states that I can up-grade my machine with longer rail but there are not pictures or anything other than the statement. It looks like you got everything that you've got, right off the shelf, so to speak. Even if the parts are still available its hard to order parts with out seeing if they are the same as what you have. (In short no order no. No part number.No names,or ??? Makes it very hard to get what you want.) I will do some home work and see if I can come up with something. ;-) Thanks for sharing with us. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:40 PM Subject: Re: thin stock support the 90 degree brackets I ordered from legacy they were used on a older model machine the 200 I believe it was. and the strait brackets are from the template rail mounting kit an extra legacy used to sell, I don't know if they would still have any I bought several of them once, it was the cheapest way of getting some extra rail at the time to lengthen my model 900. each one came with the brackets so I ended up with several of them, there should be pictures of the kit in your legacy manual that came with the machine.I'm sure you guys over there would have a lot easier job getting these parts now if available than I would way over here in Australia Bill - Original Message - From: Groovy Wood LLC groovyw...@gmail.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:20 AM Subject: RE: thin stock support Did you buy them or did they come with you machine? I don't have any that look like that and defiantly no extras that look like it. Thanks Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at