date:20140114

Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

2014-01-14 Thread Arkady Paka

1. If I set controller to run gear motor half (1/4, 1/8...) max speed, how
torque will change? Same half f (1/4, 1/8...) or not?

2. Tim wrote The added speed over Legacy's specified motor helps with a
cleaner cut.
When I do something on table saw, router table and other power tools I see
another results.
Fast feed - rough cut, low feed - clean cut. I think same rools work on
Legacy Mill .
Ark.


2014/1/14 curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com

  Guilty as charged.
 I am a proud owner of a re-build 510/ 520, which I've been using since
 1995, The SS and Legacy are my two work horses in my shop.  and I've
 integrated both machines, meaning, I can take form one machine and use the
 same parts on both machines, It makes life much easer, From the Legacy to
 the SS and back, depending on the job. I have a Legacy drive  hub
 adaptor,that I made for my SS so I can do a change over very quickly. Good
 Tools. ;-)
 Thanks Mac.
 Have a good night.
 C.A.G.

 - Original Message -

 *From:* mwfos...@earthlink.net
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 8:46 PM
 *Subject:* Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

 Aa haa!  Another Shopsmith owner!!  (look in background of last photo -
 there's a SS Speed Chart!)

 Very nice photos of your setup Curt.  Thanks for sharing.

 Mac (I also own one)
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 -Original Message-
 From: curt george
 Sent: Jan 12, 2014 9:10 AM
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

   Hello and Good morning Arkady
 These are DC motors right? low speed is what you need for the X axis
 movement (carriage movement.), If  you use that 92 prm motor with a speed
 control on it, I would think that your working/cutting speeds should be
 something like 0- 40 rpm max.( perhaps a little higher,depending on what
 type of cut you are making.) The crank handle or acme screw is 4 turns per
 inch, It dose not need to turn fast in order to move, slow and controllable
 speed is with you need.
 Now if you are looking for the spindle drive motor, (turning the drive
 spindle with the motor the higher speed is needed.) higher speeds are what
 you want for that.
 Here are my two motors,and limmit switch that Ive made.
 C.A.G.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Arkady Paka arkadyp...@gmail.com
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:47 AM
 *Subject:* Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A


 Hi all.
 Which one do you recomend for Axis X and Axis A Drive Motor  Dayton 4Z128B
 or 4Z381A?
 4Z128B 1/8 HP. 11:1 Gear-box ratio. 167 RPM Final output speed. 43
 Inch-pounds torque.
 4Z381A 1/8 HP. ? Gear-box ratio. 92RPM Final output speed. 77 Inch-pounds
 torque.
 What is more impotant for each axis? High speed and low torque or low
 speed and high torque?
 Thanks.
 Arkady.

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Re: Milt Engelke has shared a file with you using Dropbox

2014-01-14 Thread Tim Krause

For a moment I thought you where giving up sunny Oregon for Hawaii :-).

-Tim

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  From: Milt on Gmail 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Milt Engelke has shared a file with you using Dropbox


  My 1200 with all attachments ie rotary table, vertical  horizontal vises 
route and several bits and misc are on their way to Hawaii   Once settled Ill 
get the new owner linked into the group. I up graded my unit to an 1800 sold 
out of Bend OR about 9 -12 months ago. Anxious to get it up and running. 

  Sent from my iPod touch

  On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:18 PM, mwfos...@earthlink.net wrote:


Milt,
I was able to both view it and download it from your Dropbox.
Thank you very much for sharing.
Mac




  -Original Message- 
  From: Milt on Gmail 
  Sent: Jan 13, 2014 12:49 AM 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Milt Engelke has shared a file with you using Dropbox 


  Actually let's try this link. Let me know if you were able to retrieve. 


  Milt

  Here’s a link to a file in my Dropbox:

  https://www.dropbox.com/s/fhyh0akfh6bqva9/Legacy%201200%20Manual_1.pdf



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Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

2014-01-14 Thread Tim Krause

1. Torque will not change with the speed since the gearing is creating the 
power - on a geared motor that is.  On a DC motor with variable speed you will 
see a drop in torque as the speed is reduced. 

2. Correct to some degree.  To slow and you will end up burning the wood and 
dulling the tool.  Too fast and you put the burden on the motor in the tool and 
can end up with poor results.  Your goal is to find the right speed.  Of course 
that speed is also affected by the types of wood in use.  Feed speed will rise 
or fall depending on the density of the wood, power of the tool and sharpness 
of the cutting tool.

-Tim

  - Original Message - 
  From: Arkady Paka 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A


  1. If I set controller to run gear motor half (1/4, 1/8...) max speed, how 
torque will change? Same half f (1/4, 1/8...) or not?

  2. Tim wrote The added speed over Legacy's specified motor helps with a 
cleaner cut.

  When I do something on table saw, router table and other power tools I see 
another results.

  Fast feed - rough cut, low feed - clean cut. I think same rools work on 
Legacy Mill .

  Ark.




  2014/1/14 curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com

Guilty as charged. 
I am a proud owner of a re-build 510/ 520, which I've been using since 
1995, The SS and Legacy are my two work horses in my shop.  and I've integrated 
both machines, meaning, I can take form one machine and use the same parts on 
both machines, It makes life much easer, From the Legacy to the SS and back, 
depending on the job. I have a Legacy drive  hub adaptor,that I made for my SS 
so I can do a change over very quickly. Good Tools. ;-)
Thanks Mac. 
Have a good night.
C.A.G.

- Original Message - 
  From: mwfos...@earthlink.net 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A


  Aa haa!  Another Shopsmith owner!!  (look in background of last photo - 
there's a SS Speed Chart!) 


  Very nice photos of your setup Curt.  Thanks for sharing.


  Mac (I also own one) 
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-Original Message- 
From: curt george 
Sent: Jan 12, 2014 9:10 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A 


Hello and Good morning Arkady
These are DC motors right? low speed is what you need for the X axis 
movement (carriage movement.), If  you use that 92 prm motor with a speed 
control on it, I would think that your working/cutting speeds should be 
something like 0- 40 rpm max.( perhaps a little higher,depending on what type 
of cut you are making.) The crank handle or acme screw is 4 turns per inch, It 
dose not need to turn fast in order to move, slow and controllable speed is 
with you need.
Now if you are looking for the spindle drive motor, (turning the drive 
spindle with the motor the higher speed is needed.) higher speeds are what you 
want for that. 
Here are my two motors,and limmit switch that Ive made.
C.A.G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Arkady Paka 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:47 AM
  Subject: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A



  Hi all.
  Which one do you recomend for Axis X and Axis A Drive Motor  Dayton 
4Z128B or 4Z381A?
  4Z128B 1/8 HP. 11:1 Gear-box ratio. 167 RPM Final output speed. 43 
Inch-pounds torque.
  4Z381A 1/8 HP. ? Gear-box ratio. 92RPM Final output speed. 77 
Inch-pounds torque.
  What is more impotant for each axis? High speed and low torque or low 
speed and high torque?
  Thanks.
  Arkady.



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Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

2014-01-14 Thread Arkady Paka

Thanks Tim.
Because of torque dont depend from speed, I decided to buy high speed
motor 1z128.
It is possible to set lower RPM on high speed motor, but
It is impossible to set higher RPM on low speed motor without chains,
gears...
Ark


2014/1/14 Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net

  1. Torque will not change with the speed since the gearing is creating
 the power - on a geared motor that is.  On a DC motor with variable speed
 you will see a drop in torque as the speed is reduced.

 2. Correct to some degree.  To slow and you will end up burning the wood
 and dulling the tool.  Too fast and you put the burden on the motor in the
 tool and can end up with poor results.  Your goal is to find the right
 speed.  Of course that speed is also affected by the types of wood in use.
 Feed speed will rise or fall depending on the density of the wood, power of
 the tool and sharpness of the cutting tool.

 -Tim


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Arkady Paka arkadyp...@gmail.com
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:55 AM
 *Subject:* Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

   1. If I set controller to run gear motor half (1/4, 1/8...) max speed,
 how torque will change? Same half f (1/4, 1/8...) or not?

 2. Tim wrote The added speed over Legacy's specified motor helps with a
 cleaner cut.
 When I do something on table saw, router table and other power tools I see
 another results.
 Fast feed - rough cut, low feed - clean cut. I think same rools work on
 Legacy Mill .
 Ark.


 2014/1/14 curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com

  Guilty as charged.
 I am a proud owner of a re-build 510/ 520, which I've been using since
 1995, The SS and Legacy are my two work horses in my shop.  and I've
 integrated both machines, meaning, I can take form one machine and use the
 same parts on both machines, It makes life much easer, From the Legacy to
 the SS and back, depending on the job. I have a Legacy drive  hub
 adaptor,that I made for my SS so I can do a change over very quickly. Good
 Tools. ;-)
 Thanks Mac.
 Have a good night.
  C.A.G.

 - Original Message -

 *From:* mwfos...@earthlink.net
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 8:46 PM
  *Subject:* Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

 Aa haa!  Another Shopsmith owner!!  (look in background of last photo -
 there's a SS Speed Chart!)

 Very nice photos of your setup Curt.  Thanks for sharing.

 Mac (I also own one)
 --
 --

 -Original Message-
 From: curt george
 Sent: Jan 12, 2014 9:10 AM
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A

  Hello and Good morning Arkady
 These are DC motors right? low speed is what you need for the X axis
 movement (carriage movement.), If  you use that 92 prm motor with a speed
 control on it, I would think that your working/cutting speeds should be
 something like 0- 40 rpm max.( perhaps a little higher,depending on what
 type of cut you are making.) The crank handle or acme screw is 4 turns per
 inch, It dose not need to turn fast in order to move, slow and controllable
 speed is with you need.
 Now if you are looking for the spindle drive motor, (turning the drive
 spindle with the motor the higher speed is needed.) higher speeds are what
 you want for that.
 Here are my two motors,and limmit switch that Ive made.
 C.A.G.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Arkady Paka arkadyp...@gmail.com
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:47 AM
 *Subject:* Drive Motor Dayton 4Z128B or 4Z381A


 Hi all.
 Which one do you recomend for Axis X and Axis A Drive Motor  Dayton
 4Z128B or 4Z381A?
 4Z128B 1/8 HP. 11:1 Gear-box ratio. 167 RPM Final output speed. 43
 Inch-pounds torque.
 4Z381A 1/8 HP. ? Gear-box ratio. 92RPM Final output speed. 77 Inch-pounds
 torque.
 What is more impotant for each axis? High speed and low torque or low
 speed and high torque?
 Thanks.
 Arkady.

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Re: legacy manual

2014-01-14 Thread mwfoscue

Bill,Thanks. Does it state near the bottom of the cover "Revised - 2006" ? (When I opened the PDF - that part was a bit blurry.)Mac-Original Message-
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Jan 15, 2014 12:12 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: legacy manual

Did I read here that someone was looking for a legacy manual in pfd format I have this one (see the pic) I found in my computer.But it is 16 megs in size so I can’t post it I think it’s way too big . but it might email I’m not sure. Bill

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