Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

One thing you may consider is to create a 1:1 extension with a chain or 
timing gilmer belt system.  This will give you a drag free drive but 
will bee closer to your gear train requirments.  The other thing you 
could do is add another gear post.  The directional gear direction would 
be the only change, the right gear would be left and the left, right.  
But would be easy to keep straight.


Mike
OK



On 2/9/2015 7:30 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
hey bill!...getting down to the stressful stuff now...the work till 
now has been a fairly simple cut and weld operation...with the jigs i 
made, really no chance to mess things up...but now there is no room 
for error in doing the head stock and tail stock...everything must 
line up perfectly...and then the gear train, which if i can't get that 
to work properly, i might as well toss the mill in the 
garbage...bolting the mill to the floor is great if you can do it, but 
building a base would also solve any flexing issues anyone might 
encounter...thanks for the reply...more to come soon...joe



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RE: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

[Bill Bulkeley]

Im assuming with the head and tail stock your cutting and adding 2 pieces for 
each, one each side of the middle 

Bill

 

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hey bill!...getting down to the stressful stuff now...the work till now has 
been a fairly simple cut and weld operation...with the jigs i made, really no 
chance to mess things up...but now there is no room for error in doing the head 
stock and tail stock...everything must line up perfectly...and then the gear 
train, which if i can't get that to work properly, i might as well toss the 
mill in the garbage...bolting the mill to the floor is great if you can do it, 
but building a base would also solve any flexing issues anyone might 
encounter...thanks for the reply...more to come soon...joe



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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

[Dexter Bland]

Joe, I have a question for you.
Are you assuming that the spindle is centered in the machine or have you 
verified that with actually measuring? The reason I ask is that my machine 
is not exactly centered. The reason I know this is I turned my tail- stock 
over so I could get to the bolts from the top instead of normally from 
underneath. When I did that, my head and tail-stock were out of alignment. 
To fix this I also rolled the tail-stock and reinstalled the quick-release 
tail-stock components to face the proper direction. I'm not sure if this 
small difference will present any problem, but I thought I would bring it 
to your attention.
 
For what it's worth, both you and Curt should be working in somebodies RD 
section. You both ask the what if question all the time and usually come 
back with the answer of why not. Amazing work.
DB

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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

[MWF]

Joe,Check your "Family Tree" - I'm confident you are very closely related to Rube Goldberg! ;-) You do amazing things with your ingenuity.Keep them coming - we enjoy seeing the results.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 9, 2015 12:03 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

mike...thanks for the reply...it seems i am in a bit of a situation in regards to the gear train...it needs to be lengthened to a certain amount...adding too much could cause a whole series of other issues...without making a physical mock up( a decent amount of work), i have worked out the requirements to be this- i widened the machine a total of 7 3/4"...since the gear train works from the head stock center line out to the lead screw, the 7 3/4" measurement is cut in half to 3 7/8"...so i only need to make up 3 7/8"...in my wildest machinery modification dreams, i don't have to do anything to the gear train as there is enough adjustment to make up the 3 7/8" using any gear combination...okay, fantasy over, reality checks in...since i do have another gear train assembly, the idea is to slice and reassemble a longer gear train assembly, using the existing 2 1/2" gear that has the washers on either side of it and a 2 1/2" gear from the extra gear set i have...i just did a quick mock up and here are some photos...photo #1 shows a stock legacy gear assembly...photo #2 shows the same with a typical gear set up...photo #3 shows my idea to modify the gear train(no additional gears)...and photo #4 shows the modified gear train with a typical gear set up...using the two 2 1/2" gears will actually give me a total of 5" additional length when in fact i need only 3 7/8"...i am hoping that extra 1 1/8" will not be an issue...but this set up is the easier way out and not that difficult to make...just some careful cutting and welding and it's done...need to keep this aspect of this mod as simple as possible...if i did not have all the extra parts and gears than i certainly would consider setting up a timing belt as you have suggested...it actually could be better to do that than using the legacy gears, i just don't know...let's see how it works out...thanks for the reply, keep 'em coming!...joe








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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

in the for what it's worth department...just did some calculations and i 
am not going to get lucky with the gear train as far as it not needing any 
modifications...not even close...seems the new measurement from the head 
stock center to the center of the lead screw is 15, give or take...and of 
course that changes a bit as the bed height is adjusted...the original 
measurement was approximately 11...so it seems i need to lengthen the 
carriage 4+/-...but only the section from the idler pin to the lead screw 
bushing...nothing is changing from the idler pin to the head stock...seems 
i need to chop up that second gear carriage...bit nervous about doing 
that,since that is no longer an available part... but at this point have 
nothing to lose...god hates a coward, as the saying goes!...joe


  

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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hi dexter!...when i first purchased my machines,i never verified whether 
the head stock and tail stock were in alignment, as far as front to back 
goes(not up and down)...when i modified my tail stock with a delta 
woodworking tail stock from one of their lathes, i purchased a double morse 
taper and used it to line up the head stock with the tail stock before 
putting everything together, so i assume all was good by doing that...but 
now i have cut up the head stocks( i have two, the second is for the 
spindle drive motor) and the tail stock to widen them to fit the modified 
mill...i will be taking great care to center everything... but as i have 
found out by reassembling the machine, not everything that was cut and 
lengthened is dead on, even though jigs were used to re-assemble...but i 
will say it is very,very close and certainly within acceptable 
tolerances...but the centering is very much on my mind...there is a bit of 
adjust ability built into my tail stock mod, so i can fall back on that if 
anything goes wrong...thanks for mentioning it...and thanks for the 
compliment...please mention anything i might have missed...it's a big 
help...joe call me rube biunno


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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

[CURTIS GEORGE]

HI Guys. 
on the 1000ex the center is not center of the rails like Dexter stated, but on 
the newer models the center is . Joe as far as I see it, Center or not, as long 
as the tail and head are on the same plane (perhaps that's not the right word? 
but they must be the same.c. point with each-other, but where that is on the 
machine really dose not matter.) ;-) 
Joe have you though of making your Legacy work like a Wood Chuck, and go for 
the height? Your added width couldn't hurt, but if you keep the stock 
stationary and raise and lower the router, it might help you out with your some 
of the problems you are thinking about...? Just my two cents worth of it. ;-) 
Keep up the good work Joe. Dam the torpedoes ! full speed a-head! 
C.A.G. 


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From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Subject: Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy 

in the for what it's worth department...just did some calculations and i am 
not going to get lucky with the gear train as far as it not needing any 
modifications...not even close...seems the new measurement from the head stock 
center to the center of the lead screw is 15, give or take...and of course 
that changes a bit as the bed height is adjusted...the original measurement was 
approximately 11...so it seems i need to lengthen the carriage 4+/-...but 
only the section from the idler pin to the lead screw bushing...nothing is 
changing from the idler pin to the head stock...seems i need to chop up that 
second gear carriage...bit nervous about doing that,since that is no longer an 
available part... but at this point have nothing to lose...god hates a coward, 
as the saying goes!...joe 





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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hey bill!...getting down to the stressful stuff now...the work till now has 
been a fairly simple cut and weld operation...with the jigs i made, really 
no chance to mess things up...but now there is no room for error in doing 
the head stock and tail stock...everything must line up perfectly...and 
then the gear train, which if i can't get that to work properly, i might as 
well toss the mill in the garbage...bolting the mill to the floor is great 
if you can do it, but building a base would also solve any flexing issues 
anyone might encounter...thanks for the reply...more to come soon...joe


 

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Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy

[Tim Krause]

You must have a model 1000.  Those where offset.

-Tim

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  From: Dexter Bland 
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  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 12:00 PM
  Subject: Re: enlarging turning capacity of a legacy


  Joe, I have a question for you.
  Are you assuming that the spindle is centered in the machine or have you 
verified that with actually measuring? The reason I ask is that my machine is 
not exactly centered. The reason I know this is I turned my tail- stock over so 
I could get to the bolts from the top instead of normally from underneath. When 
I did that, my head and tail-stock were out of alignment. To fix this I also 
rolled the tail-stock and reinstalled the quick-release tail-stock components 
to face the proper direction. I'm not sure if this small difference will 
present any problem, but I thought I would bring it to your attention.

  For what it's worth, both you and Curt should be working in somebodies RD 
section. You both ask the what if question all the time and usually come back 
with the answer of why not. Amazing work.
  DB

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