Re: Project idea, trail and Error.

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Thank you Mac 
I will try your suggestions, Perhaps you are right, that a bigger surface glue 
joint could take up the play/slop in this concept ? You know the funny thing 
here is that My Wife suggested the same things, but for different reasons, (He 
suggestions were for appearance/comedic appeal. not structure.) 

Thank you. 
C.A.G. 
- Original Message -

From: "MWF"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:15:06 AM 
Subject: Re: Project idea, trail and Error. 

Curtis, 

Perhaps you could try cutting your pieces such that their glue surfaces are at 
a "diagonal", like this: (Sort of like you sometimes see some country-style 
small slabs of wood cut from a tree branch and sanded down to serve as a small 
cheese cutting board of a message painted on them - making them a sort of sign 
- like sold at "Cracker Barrel" restaurants.) 

/ ### / ### / ### / ### / Only with more of a skew for the cuts. This will 
GREATLY increase the surface area of the "glue joints" - which should help a 
lot in reducing the flexing. Cut your pieces at a 45 or 60 degree angle to the 
end grain - then stack and glue them all together. 

Another way to try is to get some high quality (many thin laminations) thin 
plywood. Cut it into strips a bit wider than your glue-up - and as long as the 
cane/stack of pieces. After gluing up all the stack, rip it down the center - 
yielding two "halves" the length of the cane. Now take those two halves and 
glue them to the long strip of plywood and let dry/cure well. This will create 
a "ply spine" down the length of the cane - most likely reducing the "whipping" 
as you turn the shaft. If you still have more flex than you like, repeat the 
rip down the middle of the cane - only this time rip it so the nest ply strip 
is glued at 90 degrees off of the first strip. You should now have 4 "quadrants 
if you look down the shaft/cane from either end. You will now have "almost" two 
backbones down the cane's length. Now finish turning the shaft. You should have 
a lot less flex now. 

Let us know how it "turns" out. (Pun intended!) 

Mac 




-Original Message- 
From: CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Jun 25, 2016 3:47 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Project idea, trail and Error. 

Hello Everyone. 
Here is a project that I just wanted to try out, I glued it up over the week, 
and let it fully dry, today I started the turning. 

What you are looking at is, end grain used on a walking stick, with an All 
thread rod as the center/spine. of this rod. THe idea is/was to use end grain 
wood for walking sticks, the rod would add strength and make it easy to add on 
the handle and foot, once done. 

I had a lot of scraps in the old storage bin, Teak,Mahogany,and some kind of 
neat looking pallet wood for central america. all cut into squares and drilled 
out to fit onto a 3/8" steel all thread rod. 

The problem quickly was I,D,d . the center flexed a lot when being turned on 
the Legacy, even at the slow speed of the Legacy, the wood flexed. I tried to 
use my center support brace to keep the flexing, but sadly after trying every 
trick that I could think of , the flex won out. This is much thinner than I had 
planed, The end grain looks really nice, but I need to find a better material 
for the spine. 
Dose any one have any ideas??? 

Any and All ideas are (as always.) welcome. 

Have a Great weekend. 
C.A.G. 

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Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user

[rchrd . ellis1]

Bill
Today I planed a bit if wood from square to round ,it came out tapered 
although the rails and bed were parallel. The reason was that the tailstock 
when clamped leaned back from the wood and therefore tilted the live center 
(a modification ) upwards  i:e lifted the wood higher at that tailstock end.
All good fun, I do like making logs for the fire.
Router carriage is steel galvanized and the zinc is starting to wear of in 
patches, bad engineering me thinks. Still pleased I bought it, not many 
about in the U.K.
Many regards for your help
Richard   

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 12:20:24 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>
> Yes from the side
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *
> rchrd@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2016 4:32 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user
>
>  
>
> Hi Bill
>
> It looks like you have rigged up your router working from the side , Am i 
> right???
>
> I have been looking at the possibility of the router above// central as 
> normal but with two bars of the *original router guide/fence* following a 
> pattern  that is vertical, The same way that my Trend routerlathe worked, 
> that way the depth of cut would be more controllable using the router 
> depth settings*. *It is just a thought.
>
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 4:30:19 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>
> Here is an idea i was messing with for template milling years ago before I 
> lost my mill in the fire.
>
> Would be good for making your skittles I only got to do a couple of jobs 
> on it before I lost it all.
>
> It might be an idea you might like to develop ..
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *
> rchrd@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2016 12:50 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 3:20:43 PM UTC+1, rchrd@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Curtis I will let you know about the sort of skittles I am trying to make.
>
> Off out now,, Fish and chips later on yum yum!!
>
>  
>
> I am back now Fish and chips were good.
>
> This is the skittle that I was  hoping to copy when my disaster happened 
> It is 5" high by 1" 1/2 I have to make 9 of them for the kids. They will be 
> painted so cheap wood will do.
>
> I was trying to get two out of the disaster piece. But the pattern when I 
> do it properly should give me three out of one piece of wood 
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:54:46 AM UTC+1, BRUCE TAYLOR wrote:
>
> I recently picked up a legacy 1200 mill and I am looking forward to 
> getting it put together and using it to do some projects, I want to make 
> some posts and other ornate items, I bought a showboat cmc 5x12 about 6 
> years ago and use regularly in my cabinet and countertop business, wanted 
> to buy a mill then but never got around to it, so when I had the 
> opportunity to pick up one I jumped at the chance. I am interested in 
> adding the drive motor to it, I see some people have added other 
> aftermarket options, I would like to know what suggestions as to the pros 
> and cons of adding the drive s are, I added a 36" cmc indexer to my cmc bur 
> have not used it much. Thanks in advance for the help.
>
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RE: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user

[Bill Bulkeley]

Yes from the side

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rchrd.ell...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 4:32 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user

 

Hi Bill

It looks like you have rigged up your router working from the side , Am i 
right???

I have been looking at the possibility of the router above// central as normal 
but with two bars of the original router guide/fence following a pattern  that 
is vertical, The same way that my Trend routerlathe worked, that way the depth 
of cut would be more controllable using the router depth settings. It is just a 
thought.

Richard

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 4:30:19 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:

Here is an idea i was messing with for template milling years ago before I lost 
my mill in the fire.

Would be good for making your skittles I only got to do a couple of jobs on it 
before I lost it all.

It might be an idea you might like to develop ..

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf Of 
rchrd@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 12:50 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user

 



On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 3:20:43 PM UTC+1, rchrd@gmail.com wrote:

Curtis I will let you know about the sort of skittles I am trying to make.

Off out now,, Fish and chips later on yum yum!!

 

I am back now Fish and chips were good.

This is the skittle that I was  hoping to copy when my disaster happened It is 
5" high by 1" 1/2 I have to make 9 of them for the kids. They will be painted 
so cheap wood will do.

I was trying to get two out of the disaster piece. But the pattern when I do it 
properly should give me three out of one piece of wood 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:54:46 AM UTC+1, BRUCE TAYLOR wrote:

I recently picked up a legacy 1200 mill and I am looking forward to getting it 
put together and using it to do some projects, I want to make some posts and 
other ornate items, I bought a showboat cmc 5x12 about 6 years ago and use 
regularly in my cabinet and countertop business, wanted to buy a mill then but 
never got around to it, so when I had the opportunity to pick up one I jumped 
at the chance. I am interested in adding the drive motor to it, I see some 
people have added other aftermarket options, I would like to know what 
suggestions as to the pros and cons of adding the drive s are, I added a 36" 
cmc indexer to my cmc bur have not used it much. Thanks in advance for the help.

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Re: Project idea, trail and Error.

[MWF]

Curtis,Perhaps you could try cutting your pieces such that their glue surfaces are at a "diagonal", like this: (Sort of like you sometimes see some country-style small slabs of wood cut from a tree branch and sanded down to serve as a small cheese cutting board of a message painted on them - making them a sort of sign - like sold at "Cracker Barrel" restaurants.)/ ### / ### / ### / ### /  Only with more of a skew for the cuts.  This will GREATLY increase the surface area of the "glue joints" - which should help a lot in reducing the flexing.  Cut your pieces at a 45 or 60 degree angle to the end grain - then stack and glue them all together.Another way to try is to get some high quality (many thin laminations) thin plywood. Cut it into strips a bit wider than your glue-up - and as long as the cane/stack of pieces. After gluing up all the stack, rip it down the center - yielding two "halves" the length of the cane.  Now take those two halves and glue them to the long strip of plywood and let dry/cure well.  This will create a "ply spine" down the length of the cane - most likely reducing the "whipping" as you turn the shaft.  If you still have more flex than you like, repeat the rip down the middle of the cane - only this time rip it so the nest ply strip is glued at 90 degrees off of the first strip.  You should now have 4 "quadrants if you look down the shaft/cane from either end.  You will now have "almost" two backbones down the cane's length.  Now finish turning the shaft.  You should have a lot less flex now.Let us know how it "turns" out. (Pun intended!)Mac-Original Message-
From: CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Jun 25, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Project idea, trail and Error.

Hello Everyone.Here is a project that I just wanted to try out, I glued it up over the week, and let it fully dry, today I started the turning.What you are looking at is, end grain used on a walking stick, with an All thread rod as the center/spine. of this rod. THe idea is/was to use end grain wood for walking sticks, the rod would add strength  and make it easy to add on the handle and foot, once done.I had a lot of scraps in the old storage bin, Teak,Mahogany,and some kind of neat looking pallet wood for central america. all cut into squares and drilled out to fit onto a 3/8" steel all thread rod.The problem quickly was I,D,d . the center flexed a lot when being turned on the Legacy, even at the slow speed of the Legacy, the wood flexed. I tried to use my center support brace to keep the flexing, but sadly after trying every trick that I could think of , the flex won out. This is much thinner than I had planed,  The end grain looks really nice, but I need to find a better material for the  spine.Dose any one have any ideas???Any and All ideas are (as always.) welcome.Have a Great weekend.C.A.G.[image/jpeg:IMG_6923.JPG][image/jpeg:IMG_6924.JPG]








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Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user

[rchrd . ellis1]

Hi Bill
It looks like you have rigged up your router working from the side , Am i 
right???
I have been looking at the possibility of the router above// central as 
normal but with two bars of the *original router guide/fence* following a 
pattern  that is vertical, The same way that my Trend routerlathe worked, 
that way the depth of cut would be more controllable using the router depth 
settings. It is just a thought.
Richard

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 4:30:19 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>
> Here is an idea i was messing with for template milling years ago before I 
> lost my mill in the fire.
>
> Would be good for making your skittles I only got to do a couple of jobs 
> on it before I lost it all.
>
> It might be an idea you might like to develop ..
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *
> rchrd@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2016 12:50 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: new legacy 1200 Owner soon to be user
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 3:20:43 PM UTC+1, rchrd@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Curtis I will let you know about the sort of skittles I am trying to make.
>
> Off out now,, Fish and chips later on yum yum!!
>
>  
>
> I am back now Fish and chips were good.
>
> This is the skittle that I was  hoping to copy when my disaster happened 
> It is 5" high by 1" 1/2 I have to make 9 of them for the kids. They will be 
> painted so cheap wood will do.
>
> I was trying to get two out of the disaster piece. But the pattern when I 
> do it properly should give me three out of one piece of wood 
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:54:46 AM UTC+1, BRUCE TAYLOR wrote:
>
> I recently picked up a legacy 1200 mill and I am looking forward to 
> getting it put together and using it to do some projects, I want to make 
> some posts and other ornate items, I bought a showboat cmc 5x12 about 6 
> years ago and use regularly in my cabinet and countertop business, wanted 
> to buy a mill then but never got around to it, so when I had the 
> opportunity to pick up one I jumped at the chance. I am interested in 
> adding the drive motor to it, I see some people have added other 
> aftermarket options, I would like to know what suggestions as to the pros 
> and cons of adding the drive s are, I added a 36" cmc indexer to my cmc bur 
> have not used it much. Thanks in advance for the help.
>
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