Re: If you have not been watching ???

[Dexter Bland]

Sorry, but I have quite a bad opinion of the Legacy folks. I tried to order 
some more hubs several years ago and was told by Andy himself he would not 
sell me any because I was a second-hand mill purchaser.  A part they still 
produced and had in stock and would sell to others, but would not sell any 
to me. Good luck to anyone who takes the chance to do business with them 
now. 

They produced a very ingenious product that caught my imagination when I 
saw it at the Woodworking Show but was too much for a guy who treats 
woodworking as a minor sideline and hobby.  Like Curt, I like the manual 
aspect of the machine so a computer controlled machine is not for me. Even 
if it was, Legacy would be last on the list...

Just my 2 cents. Worth just what you paid for it...
db


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RE: If you have not been watching ???

[Russ Veinot]

In my opinion (glad everybody asked :>), if I need a part, I call Legacy first. 
 This leads to 2 possibilities, one they don’t have the part, two, they have it 
and it cost too much.  Either scenario, I would take either with the same grain 
of salt.  I have found that it is highly possible I will just make the part 
myself and even more likely I would redesign the part to work better and add 
this improvement to my long list of improvements I have made since buying it 
anyway.  Their “Z” axis conversion is a good example.  Just my opinion, but I 
would say that I could design something better, more simplistic, and cheaper . 
.  .  in my sleep . . . oh wait – I did.  Unless you are trying to restore it 
like an antique machine (original condition), I know I could do better.  The 
concept of the LOM is awesome, the implementation was something to be desire to 
me.  At this point, I believe I can build a better LOM cheaper, better and, 
easier to use, from scratch.  In today’s market, things like the aluminum rails 
can be found that would be a suitable replacement without being an exact match. 
 5/8th -4 TPI acme thread would be available at multiple sources.   At this 
point, the only thing I believe a person should buy from Legacy is the 2 disk 
set of training disks for the LOM.  I already have them so I am good to go.

LEGACY -> RIP

 

there are many LOM’s like this one, but this one is (uniquely) mine.

Russ

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:34 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: If you have not been watching ???

 

Joe,

Well said.  You interpreted my comments perfectly - and I agree with all that 
you wrote.  
As disappointed as I am with the apparent lack of availability of parts & 
accessories, I do hope that Legacy will do as Ford (your example) did - and let 
3rd parties take up the mantle and manufacture the needed items.  I am not sure 
how that happens - but most likely involves the original producer licensing the 
3rd party to make what they want, provided the items comply to the OEM specs.  
Perhaps someone in The Group has experience in this field and can chime in with 
details.

Wishing a Wonderful week to all.
Mac

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-Original Message- 
From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Nov 13, 2017 10:57 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: If you have not been watching ??? 

well, I cannot pass on a long term opinion on the company itself, as I only 
bought my first machine a few years ago...I was conversing with andy back when 
he first formed the company, and I did see him(them) at the huge woodworking 
show, held every two years in Atlanta...never purchased a machine back then due 
to the length I needed...it was basically a ritual/in house joke that I would 
call every two years, just before the show, to get a quote on a 12ft. 
machine...just could not afford it at that time...when I finally was 
considering buying my machine(s) a few years ago, I found out about this group 
and joined, and then began hearing all the bad stuff about the company, and 
it's somewhat, non-existent support of their older equipment...but I forged 
ahead and made the purchases of machines, that I found on ebay, anyway...after 
I began my mods, I did call them for various things, some they had, most they 
did not...and thought they were being as nice as possible...learned that 
talking to cindy was the way to get anything, if they had it...this included 
some, non-important, info and explanations as to why certain things were as 
they were... and being a restorer, by trade and hobby, I understood the non 
availability of most of the parts/accessories that was once offered...you 
cannot go back to ford and buy parts for a 1932 coupe...or back to oliver 
machinery co. to maintain our large pattern maker's lathe...I would bet that it 
was a survivability tactic that they decided to switch to CNC...and it just was 
not profitable to support the older equipment...to carry every spare part for 
every machine , it seems, would not be financially viable...but I like mac's 
idea of someone from the group, that they trust, being a liaison, between the 
group and the company...the fact that they have posted on their CNC website, 
their status on their older equipment, a link to the group's page, a link to my 
facebook, legacy page(totally shocked by that!) shows that they are trying to 
keep all previous legacy buyers linked together, to possibly help each 
other...I thought they would object to me setting up a facebook page, somewhat 
in their "company" name, without their consent, but it seems they did not 
mind...and if it turns out that they are now ready to absolutely move on from 
their original machines, perhaps we can ask them(nicely!...LOL!), for 
information...I would still like to contact the company that extruded the 

Re: If you have not been watching ???

[MWF]

Right off the top of my head, two items I want to get are:1.  Several sets of the "Mounting Hubs" (mesh into the Indexing drive center)2.  A full set (all 5 sizes) of the Pilaster Dogs ("mounts")So if anyone has any of the above that they don't anticipate using/needing, let me know, please.That being said, if there are enough other LOM Group members that need/want the above, maybe one or more "makers" (machinists?) in our group have an opportunity here to help out as well as make some "Christmas Fund" money.Laus Deo!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Nov 13, 2017 5:03 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: If  you have not been watching ???

well, let's try to avoid the "licensing" thing...if there was any serious money to be made here, someone in asia would already be doing it!...LOL!...and then the lawyers get involved, followed by the insurance guys with the product liability issues, etc., etcif anything is going to come our way, it might be best if it is kept simple...name of an outsource company and a contact name, for example...if legacy made it in house, that could complicate things...I seem to remember a reference made to them having a laser cutter, and perhaps a computerized press brake and I might assume a computerized punch...but then again, that type of equipment would only be necessary to replicate the risers, cross bars, head stock and tailstock...and unless someone was considering making a complete, new machine, none of those pieces would most likely not be needed if anyone was just modifying there existing machine...as I see it, what might be needed the most are the parts that wear out(lead screw split nuts, the "top hats", gears)...after that might come aluminum rail, to extend a machines length capacity...we know where to get the acme rod, so no issues there...I think, that for as small a company as legacy was, you can still buy an older machine and the various parts will interchange with your existing machine, so long as it is of the same type...that is a huge accomplishment for any company to achieve...I have done a lot of research over some 30 years in regards to ornamental equipment, and without question, legacy is/was the best of all of them...not sure if they will ever achieve holtzapffel status, but for the mass market, they will go down as the best, by far.






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Re: If you have not been watching ???

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

well, let's try to avoid the "licensing" thing...if there was any serious 
money to be made here, someone in asia would already be doing 
it!...LOL!...and then the lawyers get involved, followed by the insurance 
guys with the product liability issues, etc., etcif anything is going 
to come our way, it might be best if it is kept simple...name of an 
outsource company and a contact name, for example...if legacy made it in 
house, that could complicate things...I seem to remember a reference made 
to them having a laser cutter, and perhaps a computerized press brake and I 
might assume a computerized punch...but then again, that type of equipment 
would only be necessary to replicate the risers, cross bars, head stock and 
tailstock...and unless someone was considering making a complete, new 
machine, none of those pieces would most likely not be needed if anyone was 
just modifying there existing machine...as I see it, what might be needed 
the most are the parts that wear out(lead screw split nuts, the "top hats", 
gears)...after that might come aluminum rail, to extend a machines length 
capacity...we know where to get the acme rod, so no issues there...I think, 
that for as small a company as legacy was, you can still buy an 
older machine and the various parts will interchange with your existing 
machine, so long as it is of the same type...that is a huge accomplishment 
for any company to achieve...I have done a lot of research over some 30 
years in regards to ornamental equipment, and without question, legacy 
is/was the best of all of them...not sure if they will ever achieve 
holtzapffel status, but for the mass market, they will go down as the best, 
by far


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Re: If you have not been watching ???

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Dexter you are right. and that is something that I over looked. Thank you for 
pointing that out.
C.A.G. 

On Monday, November 13, 2017 8:53 AM, Dexter Bland  
wrote:
 

 As bad an attitude as I have regarding Legacy from bad/no service, they did at 
least give links for people to get help, including this one. As small as this 
gesture is, it is at least something.
https://lwmcnc.com/cnc-mills/past-models/ornamental-mills/support-groups/
Still does not make me the least bit interested in buying anything they make.  
db




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Re: If you have not been watching ???

[MWF]

Joe,Well said.  You interpreted my comments perfectly - and I agree with all that you wrote.  As disappointed as I am with the apparent lack of availability of parts & accessories, I do hope that Legacy will do as Ford (your example) did - and let 3rd parties take up the mantle and manufacture the needed items.  I am not sure how that happens - but most likely involves the original producer licensing the 3rd party to make what they want, provided the items comply to the OEM specs.  Perhaps someone in The Group has experience in this field and can chime in with details.Wishing a Wonderful week to all.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Nov 13, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: If  you have not been watching ???

well, I cannot pass on a long term opinion on the company itself, as I only bought my first machine a few years ago...I was conversing with andy back when he first formed the company, and I did see him(them) at the huge woodworking show, held every two years in Atlanta...never purchased a machine back then due to the length I needed...it was basically a ritual/in house joke that I would call every two years, just before the show, to get a quote on a 12ft. machine...just could not afford it at that time...when I finally was considering buying my machine(s) a few years ago, I found out about this group and joined, and then began hearing all the bad stuff about the company, and it's somewhat, non-existent support of their older equipment...but I forged ahead and made the purchases of machines, that I found on ebay, anyway...after I began my mods, I did call them for various things, some they had, most they did not...and thought they were being as nice as possible...learned that talking to cindy was the way to get anything, if they had it...this included some, non-important, info and explanations as to why certain things were as they were... and being a restorer, by trade and hobby, I understood the non availability of most of the parts/accessories that was once offered...you cannot go back to ford and buy parts for a 1932 coupe...or back to oliver machinery co. to maintain our large pattern maker's lathe...I would bet that it was a survivability tactic that they decided to switch to CNC...and it just was not profitable to support the older equipment...to carry every spare part for every machine , it seems, would not be financially viable...but I like mac's idea of someone from the group, that they trust, being a liaison, between the group and the company...the fact that they have posted on their CNC website, their status on their older equipment, a link to the group's page, a link to my facebook, legacy page(totally shocked by that!) shows that they are trying to keep all previous legacy buyers linked together, to possibly help each other...I thought they would object to me setting up a facebook page, somewhat in their "company" name, without their consent, but it seems they did not mind...and if it turns out that they are now ready to absolutely move on from their original machines, perhaps we can ask them(nicely!...LOL!), for information...I would still like to contact the company that extruded the aluminum rails...or perhaps a hard drive that could easily be sent to someone that can laser-cut the gears, the acme rod, we know where to get that, perhaps some help in finding someone who could make/reproduce to "Z" axis accessory, which, if priced affordably, would probably fly off the shelf!...but then again, the key being "affordable"...and the last request, my personal "holy grail", and one which I have spent many hours trying to find, is that 40 ft machine...it is fairly high on my bucket list...LOL!...so, my suggestion is, it's a big sandbox, let's play nice, and maybe we might get something useful from the company.


Franklin was right - when the "Takers" outnumber the "Makers" - the Republic is DOOMED!  "When the people find that they can vote themselves money - that will herald the end of The Republic." Benjamin Franklin



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Re: If you have not been watching ???

[Dexter Bland]

As bad an attitude as I have regarding Legacy from bad/*no service*, they 
did at least give links for people to get help, including this one. As 
small as this gesture is, it is at least something.

https://lwmcnc.com/cnc-mills/past-models/ornamental-mills/support-groups/

Still does not make me the least bit interested in buying anything they 
make.  
db


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