RE: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[Michael Kratky]

Agree with Bill, they’re already a classic; I’m considering donating mine to 
the Northeastern Woodworkers Association (www.woodworker.org) where it’ll get 
more use and exposure.

 

Michael  

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:07 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

 

No response from anyone..  I think it’s already is a classic and you can’t buy 
a new one so to me it’s an antique I don’t know the official length of time 
before something is antique or vintage what’s the difference anyway between an 
antique and a vintage item?

 

Bill 

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of russ veinot
Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2017 1:19 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

 

I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy will 
be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in a 
hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their garage and 
do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my opinion, the 
LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G code.  just a 
thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)

 

have a good day,

Russ

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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Hello and good morning .
Michael donating your treasures can be a scary thing.  first off most wood 
turners today are only into two types of turnings. one pens, and two bowls. The 
Legacy is primarily made to do spindles.  You and I know that it can do more, 
but sadly I fear sending your Legacy to a group could lead to it being 
abandoned and lost like the arc of the covenant was, in the Indiana Jones 
movies. ;-)
Have a good day.C.A.G. 

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{}#yiv5359950937 Agree with Bill, they’re already a classic; I’m considering 
donating mine to the Northeastern Woodworkers Association (www.woodworker.org) 
where it’ll get more use and exposure.  Michael    From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:07 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Will the LOM become a collector's item?  No response from anyone.. 
 I think it’s already is a classic and you can’t buy a new one so to me it’s an 
antique I don’t know the official length of time before something is antique or 
vintage what’s the difference anyway between an antique and a vintage item?  
Bill   From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of russ veinot
Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2017 1:19 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Will the LOM become a collector's item?  I was wondering today, how 
long do you think it will take before a legacy will be considered a classic 
antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in a hundred years maybe some will 
be proud to be able to go out to their garage and do all those amazing things 
without the use of a computer. In my opinion, the LOM is like a CNC except it 
is run by "hand" code instead of G code.  just a thought (or maybe 2 thoughts 
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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[russ veinot]

Actually, i was shocked Michael was willing to give it up at all. they are 
going to have to pry it from my cold dead fingers :>)

Russ

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:18:42 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote:
>
> I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy 
> will be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in 
> a hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their 
> garage and do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my 
> opinion, the LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G 
> code.  just a thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)
>
> have a good day,
> Russ
>

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RE: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[Michael Kratky]

Russ, 

Actually I’m a 20 year member of the non for profit club (Northeastern 
Woodworkers Association) and past president, we lease our own 15,000 sq ft 
fully equipped facility at 15 Solar Drive in Clifton Park, NY 12065 so I’ll 
still be able to frequently access the 1200 LOM and with nearly 1000 members 
they’ll teach me a thing or 2.

 

Wish Legacy could set them up with a CNC Maverick, that would be fantastic …

 

Cheers,

Michael

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of russ veinot
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 8:49 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

 

Actually, i was shocked Michael was willing to give it up at all. they are 
going to have to pry it from my cold dead fingers :>)

 

Russ

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:18:42 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote:

I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy will 
be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in a 
hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their garage and 
do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my opinion, the 
LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G code.  just a 
thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)

 

have a good day,

Russ

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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[russ veinot]

you might not know this about me :>), but in school I always got a "D" in 
"sharing and playing well with other" .  I'm not ready to share mine.  I 
still hug it every morning after turning on the lights.  

also, i am now making mine more user friendly so i can do other everyday 
tasks with it.  my goal is to make it the most used machine in the shop.

Russ

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:18:42 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote:
>
> I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy 
> will be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in 
> a hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their 
> garage and do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my 
> opinion, the LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G 
> code.  just a thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)
>
> have a good day,
> Russ
>

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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[donaldboettler]

If that's the case, most of my shop contain antiques, bad thing is I bought 
everything when it was new.  To keep the LOM alive there needs to be plenty 
of documentation for future generations to draw from.  

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:16:30 AM UTC-6, Curt George wrote:
>
> Depending on who you talk to. and antique is anything more then 20- 25 
> years old. 
> You never know,  perhaps someday the public will get back into 
> woodworking. just like they did when Norm Abrams started his show in the 
> 80's/90's.  
> The public is truly fickle,d   they need a lead man to guide the way... 
>
> Perhaps Tracy Anderson will start doing his magic again? (He was a good 
> enough salesman to get us to buy the Legacy.)  ;-p
>
> Perhaps it is someone not even born yet who will carry to torch?
>
> Its late! I'm going to bed now.
> Have a good night everyone. (THAT'S Good day to you Bill.)  ;-)
> C.A.G.
>
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2017 9:18 PM, russ veinot  > wrote:
>
>
> I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy 
> will be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in 
> a hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their 
> garage and do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my 
> opinion, the LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G 
> code.  just a thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)
>
> have a good day,
> Russ
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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

this is my legacy...there are many like it, but this one is 
mine!...LOL!props to Stanley Kubrick, Full Metal 
Jacket




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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[russ veinot]

Donaldb.. 
I just had another thought (go figure :>), since legacy has decided to "no 
more support", maybe they could release to the public domain, all project 
and training videos so the rest might still be able to use especially when 
a LOM changes hands . . . since they don't support the LOM anymore.  
Probably asking for too much.  What does anyone else think?

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:18:42 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote:

> I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy 
> will be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in 
> a hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their 
> garage and do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my 
> opinion, the LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G 
> code.  just a thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)
>
> have a good day,
> Russ
>

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RE: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[Bill Bulkeley]

I’m with you Russ id get jealous watching someone else stroking my baby’s gears 
they were just too hard to get to let go

 

Bill 

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of russ veinot
Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2017 1:53 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

 

you might not know this about me :>), but in school I always got a "D" in 
"sharing and playing well with other" .  I'm not ready to share mine.  I still 
hug it every morning after turning on the lights.  

 

also, i am now making mine more user friendly so i can do other everyday tasks 
with it.  my goal is to make it the most used machine in the shop.

Russ


On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:18:42 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote:

I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy will 
be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in a 
hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their garage and 
do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my opinion, the 
LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G code.  just a 
thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)

 

have a good day,

Russ

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Re: Will the LOM become a collector's item?

[russ veinot]

As they say in the acting business, I think i just got upstaged :>)   that 
was hilarious Bill.

Russ

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:18:42 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote:

> I was wondering today, how long do you think it will take before a legacy 
> will be considered a classic antique and maybe even a collector's item.  in 
> a hundred years maybe some will be proud to be able to go out to their 
> garage and do all those amazing things without the use of a computer. In my 
> opinion, the LOM is like a CNC except it is run by "hand" code instead of G 
> code.  just a thought (or maybe 2 thoughts :>)
>
> have a good day,
> Russ
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Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

a few comments and responses  on this subject and perhaps a few more...and 
apologies for not commenting sooner...been a bit busy lately...exactly how 
accurate is it to say legacy no longer supports their older machines...they 
still sell those "high hats", split nuts, gears, drive dogs...granted, you 
can not buy rails, headstocks, etc., but how many really need those...and 
so many other companies do not supply parts for their old machines, like 
Powermatic, delta, Rockwell, sears, just to name a few...I am beginning to 
see andy's point, that there is a constant, negative point being made in 
this group towards legacy...ok, they ended their manufacturing of what we 
refer to as their older machines...why?...because the future is in 
CNC...you have an older legacy?...well, you will just have to make do with 
what they could give you, and/or some stuff from McMaster-carr...their 
machines are not that complex...  just about any repair or mod could be 
done with just a bit of ingenuity...I have seen so many of this group do 
some very unique repairs and mods to their equipment, that I don't see what 
all the fuss is about...we should all be lucky that there are no pieces 
that were cast iron or aluminum... I have never seen a company give as much 
technical support as legacy has done with their customers...training 
videos, project videos, magazine publications, etcand it is understood 
that a number of people have had some bad experiences in dealing with them, 
even when they were in full support mode, back in the day...well, that's a 
shame and it should never have happened...but it did and let's all just 
move on...I could tell horror stories about a ford car dealership and their 
handling of customers, but it would serve no purpose...we will never get 
any assistance from legacy if we continue this negativity...carrying 
on...joe biunno



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Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

[Bawdsey 64]

Very well put Joe!
>From the other side of the pond, please note that the young lady who is 
>marrying Harry is going to become a UK citizen.
She is a nice intelligent girl​ who will no doubt help Harry in his 
endeavours.
It is all go over here, we have have the Royal Navy providing the Guard at 
Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle .
Cheers
Roger


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From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Received: 28/11/2017 19:10:18 +00:00
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
a few comments and responses  on this subject and perhaps a few more...and 
apologies for not commenting sooner...been a bit busy lately...exactly how 
accurate is it to say legacy no longer supports their older machines...they 
still sell those "high hats", split nuts, gears, drive dogs...granted, you can 
not buy rails, headstocks, etc., but how many really need those...and so many 
other companies do not supply parts for their old machines, like Powermatic, 
delta, Rockwell, sears, just to name a few...I am beginning to see andy's 
point, that there is a constant, negative point being made in this group 
towards legacy...ok, they ended their manufacturing of what we refer to as 
their older machines...why?...because the future is in CNC...you have an older 
legacy?...well, you will just have to make do with what they could give you, 
and/or some stuff from McMaster-carr...their machines are not that complex...  
just about any repair or mod could be done with just a bit of ingenuity...I 
have seen so many of this group do some very unique repairs and mods to their 
equipment, that I don't see what all the fuss is about...we should all be lucky 
that there are no pieces that were cast iron or aluminum... I have never seen a 
company give as much technical support as legacy has done with their 
customers...training videos, project videos, magazine publications, etcand 
it is understood that a number of people have had some bad experiences in 
dealing with them, even when they were in full support mode, back in the 
day...well, that's a shame and it should never have happened...but it did and 
let's all just move on...I could tell horror stories about a ford car 
dealership and their handling of customers, but it would serve no purpose...we 
will never get any assistance from legacy if we continue this 
negativity...carrying on...joe biunno








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