RE: Design Kit

2018-08-30 Thread Bill Bulkeley
Go to the magnate sight copy and paste the picture of the router bit you want, 
enlarge or reduce it in size till it is the correct size to match its recorded 
cutting dia print it, cut it out with scissors stick it to your piece of 
acrylic and cut the shape with your scroll saw or laser that’s what I would do 
if I didn’t already own a design kit

And couldn’t buy the profiles.

But I can’t see why legacy would not supply the profiles to make your own 
design kit they no longer support the old mills and you’re not making it to 
sell its just for your own privet use so they have absolutely nothing too loose 
and they are always saying they have wonderful customer support so it should be 
all good .

Our group has had differences of opinions with legacy in the past but time has 
passed and I would like to think we all have moved on now and bear each other 
no ill will I for one have.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Design Kit

 

So-o-o.  If you can't get the design kit anywhere and you have an agreement 
with Legacy not to put it out on line and they won't sell it to those with 
manual machines (ie they want someone to call them for a cad version???)  what 
are people who just got manual legacy ornamental mills supposed to do?  I do my 
own drawing having learned engineering drawing while developing my 
patternmaking skills.  I don't use cad.  Seems odd to me that Legacy controls 
who can get Magnate cutter profiles. Obviously you have reasons for the 
agreement with Tracy.  Seems to me though that they should be more willing to 
help out historical owners of legacy manual mills and users groups if it is 
something they have readily available.  What am I misising?. 

 

 at 8:06:20 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

I had an agreement with Tracy Anderson to not distribute the router bit 
profiles in this group.  He wanted anyone in the group that is interested in 
the profiles in cad format to contact him.  We need to honor this agreement 
until otherwise instructed.

Tim



On Aug 28, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Bawdsey64  > wrote:

Èb;Hi Ray

The Legacy Design Kit comprised one to one profile templates of many of the 
Magnate Cutters, and they were on three or four clear plastic sheets so you 
could draw straight on to graph paper (supplied by Legacy).  

The plastic templates were bought in and when Legacy were unable to get the 
plastic sheets produced out of house they did have a set of the profiles in an 
industry graphics format so you could draw using something like Coral Draw. The 
reason they stopped selling the product was that their supplier's Laser packed 
up and the Laser that the company bought to replace their old one burnt the 
plastic sheet when producing the Legacy Templates as it was much higher powered.

Someone in the group should have that graphics package.

Now I do not have it as sold my business, which was selling Legacy products in 
Europe, and I do not have a Legacy machine.  If you have no luck finding the 
graphics package get back to me and i will see if I have it on an old computer 
or someone I know has it.

Regards

Roger in UK

Èb;

 

Èb;

From: Ray Leaman

Received: 28/08/2018 22:55:50 +01:00

To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  

Thanks for your reply Dexter.  So the design kit was for making a "drawing" on 
paper of what the stock will look like once cut rather than applying it to the 
stock per se.  I assume it was for spindle turning for the most part?

 

Are the Magnate profiles on the attachment you sent full size or scaled down?

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Dexter Bland  
> wrote:

 

Ray,

A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I am aware of. 
It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that Magnate sells that 
you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper to refine your design. You 
could then use your drawing to lay out your cuts on the machine. Attached is a 
PDF of the router shapes available from Magnate.

db

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Re: Design Kit

2018-08-30 Thread Tim Krause
The agreement stemmed from the concerns of competition from others in the 
market.  The router bits that Magnate sell are Legacy's designs and only 
manufactured by Magnate.  Having the profiles out there in dxf format simply 
makes it too easy to copy them.  At least this was part of the original 
conversation that lead to the agreement. It may be time to possibly renegotiate?

If you contact Tracy Anderson at Legacy and ask for the router bit profiles in 
cad format, you can find free cad programs to make your own templates with the 
bits you own.  Do you have a paper or CD/DVD catalog from Magnate?  They have 
very clear dimensions of each Legacy bit they sell. You could draw each profile 
with that information.  I realize this is not easy.  

I'll give Tracy or Andy next week and see what the current thought process is.

Tim



On Aug 30, 2018, 5:09 PM, at 5:09 PM, view...@gmail.com wrote:
>So-o-o.  If you can't get the design kit anywhere and you have an
>agreement 
>with Legacy not to put it out on line and they won't sell it to those
>with 
>manual machines (ie they want someone to call them for a cad
>version???)  
>what are people who just got manual legacy ornamental mills supposed to
>
>do?  I do my own drawing having learned engineering drawing while 
>developing my patternmaking skills.  I don't use cad.  Seems odd to me
>that 
>Legacy controls who can get Magnate cutter profiles. Obviously you have
>
>reasons for the agreement with Tracy.  Seems to me though that they
>should 
>be more willing to help out historical owners of legacy manual mills
>and 
>users groups if it is something they have readily available.  What am I
>
>misising?. 
>
> at 8:06:20 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I had an agreement with Tracy Anderson to not distribute the router
>bit 
>> profiles in this group.  He wanted anyone in the group that is
>interested 
>> in the profiles in cad format to contact him.  We need to honor this 
>> agreement until otherwise instructed.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Bawdsey64 > 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Èb;Hi Ray
>>>
>>> The Legacy Design Kit comprised one to one profile templates of many
>of 
>>> the Magnate Cutters, and they were on three or four clear plastic
>sheets so 
>>> you could draw straight on to graph paper (supplied by Legacy).  
>>>
>>> The plastic templates were bought in and when Legacy were unable to
>get 
>>> the plastic sheets produced out of house they did have a set of the 
>>> profiles in an industry graphics format so you could draw using
>something 
>>> like Coral Draw. The reason they stopped selling the product was
>that their 
>>> supplier's Laser packed up and the Laser that the company bought to
>replace 
>>> their old one burnt the plastic sheet when producing the Legacy
>Templates 
>>> as it was much higher powered.
>>>
>>> Someone in the group should have that graphics package.
>>>
>>> Now I do not have it as sold my business, which was selling Legacy 
>>> products in Europe, and I do not have a Legacy machine.  If you have
>no 
>>> luck finding the graphics package get back to me and i will see if I
>have 
>>> it on an old computer or someone I know has it.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Roger in UK
>>>
>>> Èb;
>>>
>>>
>>> Èb;
>>> From: Ray Leaman
>>> Received: 28/08/2018 22:55:50 +01:00
>>> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> Thanks for your reply Dexter.  So the design kit was for making a 
>>> "drawing" on paper of what the stock will look like once cut rather
>than 
>>> applying it to the stock per se.  I assume it was for spindle
>turning for 
>>> the most part?
>>>
>>> Are the Magnate profiles on the attachment you sent full size or
>scaled 
>>> down?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Dexter Bland >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Ray,
>>> A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I
>am 
>>> aware of. It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that
>Magnate 
>>> sells that you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper to
>refine 
>>> your design. You could then use your drawing to lay out your cuts on
>the 
>>> machine. Attached is a PDF of the router shapes available from
>Magnate.
>>> db
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Re: Design Kit

2018-08-30 Thread viewof2
So-o-o.  If you can't get the design kit anywhere and you have an agreement 
with Legacy not to put it out on line and they won't sell it to those with 
manual machines (ie they want someone to call them for a cad version???)  
what are people who just got manual legacy ornamental mills supposed to 
do?  I do my own drawing having learned engineering drawing while 
developing my patternmaking skills.  I don't use cad.  Seems odd to me that 
Legacy controls who can get Magnate cutter profiles. Obviously you have 
reasons for the agreement with Tracy.  Seems to me though that they should 
be more willing to help out historical owners of legacy manual mills and 
users groups if it is something they have readily available.  What am I 
misising?. 

 at 8:06:20 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> I had an agreement with Tracy Anderson to not distribute the router bit 
> profiles in this group.  He wanted anyone in the group that is interested 
> in the profiles in cad format to contact him.  We need to honor this 
> agreement until otherwise instructed.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Bawdsey64 > 
> wrote:
>>
>> Èb;Hi Ray
>>
>> The Legacy Design Kit comprised one to one profile templates of many of 
>> the Magnate Cutters, and they were on three or four clear plastic sheets so 
>> you could draw straight on to graph paper (supplied by Legacy).  
>>
>> The plastic templates were bought in and when Legacy were unable to get 
>> the plastic sheets produced out of house they did have a set of the 
>> profiles in an industry graphics format so you could draw using something 
>> like Coral Draw. The reason they stopped selling the product was that their 
>> supplier's Laser packed up and the Laser that the company bought to replace 
>> their old one burnt the plastic sheet when producing the Legacy Templates 
>> as it was much higher powered.
>>
>> Someone in the group should have that graphics package.
>>
>> Now I do not have it as sold my business, which was selling Legacy 
>> products in Europe, and I do not have a Legacy machine.  If you have no 
>> luck finding the graphics package get back to me and i will see if I have 
>> it on an old computer or someone I know has it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Roger in UK
>>
>> Èb;
>>
>>
>> Èb;
>> From: Ray Leaman
>> Received: 28/08/2018 22:55:50 +01:00
>> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> Thanks for your reply Dexter.  So the design kit was for making a 
>> "drawing" on paper of what the stock will look like once cut rather than 
>> applying it to the stock per se.  I assume it was for spindle turning for 
>> the most part?
>>
>> Are the Magnate profiles on the attachment you sent full size or scaled 
>> down?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Dexter Bland > > wrote:
>>
>> Ray,
>> A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I am 
>> aware of. It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that Magnate 
>> sells that you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper to refine 
>> your design. You could then use your drawing to lay out your cuts on the 
>> machine. Attached is a PDF of the router shapes available from Magnate.
>> db
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Re: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

2018-08-30 Thread 4 Jim Carpenter
With so much concentration on building careers the joys of hobby and trade
are taking back seats.
I do see hope on the verge of changing those interest when I noticed that
one ( ? ) of the Ebay Legacy listings has 22 watchers.  As more and more
High school shop classes are being eliminated in districts through out the
US hands on projects are turning into key stroke fingers.
Wouldn't it be great if High Schools would add "Trade" demonstrations to
Career Days !

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:52 AM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> I agree with the feedback so far.  I also noticed in the picture of the
> router that it looks like you have a rotary table as well.
>
> I bought my 1500 in January for $800.  I had been looking at these
> machines for several months and thought I was getting a great deal when I
> got mine.  The guy I bought mine from didn't know much about it (neither
> did I at the time).  It was missing nearly all the gears, had no dust bag
> but did include the Z-axis upgrade, router and 4 large bits.  Now that I'm
> a lot more educated on this machine, I still feel like I got a great deal.
>
> I have loved it.  It is not a simple tool and requires time and expense as
> you buy bits.  However, like I said, I really have loved it.
>
> From the pictures, your machine looks like it is in great shape.
>
> I hope you get some great use out of it or it finds a nice home.  Good
> luck.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:55 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello and Good morning.
>>
>> Tools never hold there value.  Like a car, mine 9yrs ago cost me $32.000
>> Today the blue book value is $3000.00.  I cant afford to sell it !
>>
>> Your 1500 is a Very nice machine, but having said that,  I have to agree
>> with Tim. ($2,000 tops, but I think $1500 a fair price.)
>>
>> Im sorry if this puts a downer to your day,   What I suggest, since you
>> own it, USE IT !  That is a VERY Nice machine, and has a lot of potential
>> to make some things that honestly No other machine with in its price range
>> can match.
>>
>> Make a business venture, I did a small job some 10 yrs ago. to turns
>> fence post, all they wanted was a solid post with a ball on the top.  The
>> fence company gave me the post, all that I had to do was to turn the ball (
>> 2") and give the post back to them. I charged $20.00 per post, and made
>> 50.  This one job paid me almost the same as my Legacy cost to buy.  And my
>> 1000ex is not as nice as yours...
>> I know Mike works for a number of stair case company's, and dose pretty
>> much the same thing but on a much bigger scale.
>> Your machine can do a lot ! I would think about using it instead of
>> selling it...
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Thursday, August 30, 2018, 12:25:10 AM EDT, NZ 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to the group as I recently inherited a Legacy 1500 EXL.  I wish I
>> had the time (and space) to use it, but unfortunately I don't have either.
>> I don't know a lot about it but I attached a few pictures.  I'd appreciate
>> any help in confirming if I have all of the appropriate accessories,
>> getting a copy of the owners manual (digital format would be great), as
>> well as estimating a sell price.  I'm in the Minneapolis/St. Paul MN area.
>>
>> I appreciate the help!
>> NZ
>>
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Re: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

2018-08-30 Thread Tracy Smith
I agree with the feedback so far.  I also noticed in the picture of the
router that it looks like you have a rotary table as well.

I bought my 1500 in January for $800.  I had been looking at these machines
for several months and thought I was getting a great deal when I got mine.
The guy I bought mine from didn't know much about it (neither did I at the
time).  It was missing nearly all the gears, had no dust bag but did
include the Z-axis upgrade, router and 4 large bits.  Now that I'm a lot
more educated on this machine, I still feel like I got a great deal.

I have loved it.  It is not a simple tool and requires time and expense as
you buy bits.  However, like I said, I really have loved it.

>From the pictures, your machine looks like it is in great shape.

I hope you get some great use out of it or it finds a nice home.  Good luck.

Tracy

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:55 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello and Good morning.
>
> Tools never hold there value.  Like a car, mine 9yrs ago cost me $32.000
> Today the blue book value is $3000.00.  I cant afford to sell it !
>
> Your 1500 is a Very nice machine, but having said that,  I have to agree
> with Tim. ($2,000 tops, but I think $1500 a fair price.)
>
> Im sorry if this puts a downer to your day,   What I suggest, since you
> own it, USE IT !  That is a VERY Nice machine, and has a lot of potential
> to make some things that honestly No other machine with in its price range
> can match.
>
> Make a business venture, I did a small job some 10 yrs ago. to turns fence
> post, all they wanted was a solid post with a ball on the top.  The fence
> company gave me the post, all that I had to do was to turn the ball ( 2")
> and give the post back to them. I charged $20.00 per post, and made 50.
> This one job paid me almost the same as my Legacy cost to buy.  And my
> 1000ex is not as nice as yours...
> I know Mike works for a number of stair case company's, and dose pretty
> much the same thing but on a much bigger scale.
> Your machine can do a lot ! I would think about using it instead of
> selling it...
>
> C.A.G.
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018, 12:25:10 AM EDT, NZ 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the group as I recently inherited a Legacy 1500 EXL.  I wish I
> had the time (and space) to use it, but unfortunately I don't have either.
> I don't know a lot about it but I attached a few pictures.  I'd appreciate
> any help in confirming if I have all of the appropriate accessories,
> getting a copy of the owners manual (digital format would be great), as
> well as estimating a sell price.  I'm in the Minneapolis/St. Paul MN area.
>
> I appreciate the help!
> NZ
>
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Re: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

2018-08-30 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Hello and Good morning.
Tools never hold there value.  Like a car, mine 9yrs ago cost me $32.000 Today 
the blue book value is $3000.00.  I cant afford to sell it !
Your 1500 is a Very nice machine, but having said that,  I have to agree with 
Tim. ($2,000 tops, but I think $1500 a fair price.)
Im sorry if this puts a downer to your day,   What I suggest, since you own it, 
USE IT !  That is a VERY Nice machine, and has a lot of potential to make some 
things that honestly No other machine with in its price range can match.
Make a business venture, I did a small job some 10 yrs ago. to turns fence 
post, all they wanted was a solid post with a ball on the top.  The fence 
company gave me the post, all that I had to do was to turn the ball ( 2") and 
give the post back to them. I charged $20.00 per post, and made 50.  This one 
job paid me almost the same as my Legacy cost to buy.  And my 1000ex is not as 
nice as yours...I know Mike works for a number of stair case company's, and 
dose pretty much the same thing but on a much bigger scale.Your machine can do 
a lot ! I would think about using it instead of selling it...
C.A.G.   On Thursday, August 30, 2018, 12:25:10 AM EDT, NZ 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi all,
I'm new to the group as I recently inherited a Legacy 1500 EXL.  I wish I had 
the time (and space) to use it, but unfortunately I don't have either.  I don't 
know a lot about it but I attached a few pictures.  I'd appreciate any help in 
confirming if I have all of the appropriate accessories, getting a copy of the 
owners manual (digital format would be great), as well as estimating a sell 
price.  I'm in the Minneapolis/St. Paul MN area.
I appreciate the help!NZ

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RE: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

2018-08-30 Thread Tim Krause
Gee whiz Mike , if it will make you feel better,  I will take yours for free! 
:-)

On Aug 30, 2018, 4:53 AM, at 4:53 AM, Michael Kratky  
wrote:
>Hard sell,
>
> 
>
>Agree with Tim, there’s one very similar near me here in upstate NY
>that the inherited owner has been trying to sell unsuccessfully the
>last several years for $2300, unfortunately I’d say that 90% of them
>sit unused gathering dust somewhere including mine. 
>
> 
>
>I even unsuccessfully tried donating mine to 3 different regional
>woodworking clubs that didn’t want it. 
>
> 
>
>Michael
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>Krause
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:55 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale
>
> 
>
>Hello,
>
>That is a very well equiped machine.  It has the recommend Porter-Cable
>router with the Eliminator Chuck, a rotary table, all the gears and I
>can see the .25x gear set and I'm assuming it has the 2x gears. Also I
>see the linear drive, the dust catching bag and a stand. This would
>have most likely all come as one unit.
>
>A low estimate for this machine based on previous local sales would be
>about $1300 and reaching a maximum of around $2300.00.  You could ask
>for more, but you would likely be Holding onto it for a while.
>
>As far as the manual goes, when the new owner purchases the machine,
>they will be able to get the manual through me here in this group. 
>Good luck with the sale.
>
>Tim
>
>On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:55 PM, NZ  wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
> 
>
>I'm new to the group as I recently inherited a Legacy 1500 EXL.  I wish
>I had the time (and space) to use it, but unfortunately I don't have
>either.  I don't know a lot about it but I attached a few pictures. 
>I'd appreciate any help in confirming if I have all of the appropriate
>accessories, getting a copy of the owners manual (digital format would
>be great), as well as estimating a sell price.  I'm in the
>Minneapolis/St. Paul MN area.
>
> 
>
>I appreciate the help!
>
>NZ
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RE: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

2018-08-30 Thread Michael Kratky
Hard sell,

 

Agree with Tim, there’s one very similar near me here in upstate NY that the 
inherited owner has been trying to sell unsuccessfully the last several years 
for $2300, unfortunately I’d say that 90% of them sit unused gathering dust 
somewhere including mine. 

 

I even unsuccessfully tried donating mine to 3 different regional woodworking 
clubs that didn’t want it. 

 

Michael

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:55 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

 

Hello,

That is a very well equiped machine.  It has the recommend Porter-Cable router 
with the Eliminator Chuck, a rotary table, all the gears and I can see the .25x 
gear set and I'm assuming it has the 2x gears. Also I see the linear drive, the 
dust catching bag and a stand. This would have most likely all come as one unit.

A low estimate for this machine based on previous local sales would be about 
$1300 and reaching a maximum of around $2300.00.  You could ask for more, but 
you would likely be Holding onto it for a while.

As far as the manual goes, when the new owner purchases the machine, they will 
be able to get the manual through me here in this group.  Good luck with the 
sale.

Tim

On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:55 PM, NZ  wrote:

Hi all,

 

I'm new to the group as I recently inherited a Legacy 1500 EXL.  I wish I had 
the time (and space) to use it, but unfortunately I don't have either.  I don't 
know a lot about it but I attached a few pictures.  I'd appreciate any help in 
confirming if I have all of the appropriate accessories, getting a copy of the 
owners manual (digital format would be great), as well as estimating a sell 
price.  I'm in the Minneapolis/St. Paul MN area.

 

I appreciate the help!

NZ

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Re: Legacy 1500 EXL For Sale

2018-08-30 Thread Tim Krause
Hello,

That is a very well equiped machine.  It has the recommend Porter-Cable router 
with the Eliminator Chuck, a rotary table, all the gears and I can see the .25x 
gear set and I'm assuming it has the 2x gears. Also I see the linear drive, the 
dust catching bag and a stand. This would have most likely all come as one unit.

A low estimate for this machine based on previous local sales would be about 
$1300 and reaching a maximum of around $2300.00.  You could ask for more, but 
you would likely be Holding onto it for a while.

As far as the manual goes, when the new owner purchases the machine, they will 
be able to get the manual through me here in this group.  Good luck with the 
sale.

Tim


On Aug 29, 2018, 7:55 PM, at 7:55 PM, NZ  wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm new to the group as I recently inherited a Legacy 1500 EXL.  I wish
>I 
>had the time (and space) to use it, but unfortunately I don't have
>either.  
>I don't know a lot about it but I attached a few pictures.  I'd
>appreciate 
>any help in confirming if I have all of the appropriate accessories, 
>getting a copy of the owners manual (digital format would be great), as
>
>well as estimating a sell price.  I'm in the Minneapolis/St. Paul MN
>area.
>
>I appreciate the help!
>NZ
>
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