Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hey there everyone.
Bill . I too very much enjoy your videos. If you enjoy making them, think of it 
as a learning experience for all concerned. 
Mac. 2005 was just a few days ago to me. Time or its prospective, is something 
that I've lost over the years. I'm not all that old age wise, Its just TIME is 
something that is hard for me to grasp.  At work they all laugh at me when I 
say it wasn't all that long ago. My boss asks me , who was the supervisor at 
that time? He constantly reminds me that he have been in charge for 6 years now 
( I still think of him as the New supervisor).  My memory's are of two 
supervisor's before him...(He is my 4th supervisor ) I remember everything 
about the jobs, except when it happened. Weeks, Months and Years all seem to 
blend together for me. ;-pBrian's posting seems like it just happened a few 
weeks ago. and you say it was 17yrs ago!  Wow!"O" Well.  (I think I just might 
send that e-mail to him?)
Take care.
C.A.G.


On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 10:53:14 PM EST, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:  
 
 Bill,Don't sell yourself short.I've 
enjoyed the ones you have put out.  More so for the ones with music instead of 
the router & motors buzzing.Thanks for all you contribute and do for The Group. 
Stay cool (get some shade over your shop roof!).Mac

-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 10:38 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater


You will I always post it here so if your not subscribed you know it will be a 
while its hot here I cant get in the shop many days. And I always say I do 
videos I never said they are good videos lol 😊 

  

Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 4:31 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater

  

Bill,

YES!  That idea for the "cleaning up - for better performance" video will be 
Greatly appreciated.  I am sure you will hit on points that most of us overlook 
(or didn't think of/know about).

Thanks - looking forward to its Premier Showing!  Hopefully we will get 
"Invitations".

Stay cool! 

Mac


-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 4:00 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater 




I have never had that split nut problem probably because I have never had my 
saddles stiff

And yes you nearly always have to adjust the mill to get it sliding easaly, 
another thing to watch as you know curt 

Is a build-up of dust in between the top hats you have to remove one of them 
and slide the saddle out of the way to vacuum the trapped dust out. I must do a 
video on this some time.

 

Bill

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 4:28 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater

 

Hello Mac

Just to add a little bit to Bills story.

I remember talking to Brian about this...

The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. 
This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, 
as well.

There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the 
split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to 
move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split 
nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. 

but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place 
on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him.

 

For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I 
have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit 
switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at 
that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when 
this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my 
machine form damage.

 

A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came 
over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did 
everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the 
carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, 
and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the 
screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he 
removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension 
,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have 
any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU 
see some times something fails and it was not the 

RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Don't sell yourself short.I've enjoyed the ones you have put out.  More so for the ones with music instead of the router & motors buzzing.Thanks for all you contribute and do for The Group. Stay cool (get some shade over your shop roof!).Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 10:38 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

You will I always post it here so if your not subscribed you know it will be a while its hot here I cant get in the shop many days. And I always say I do videos I never said they are good videos lol 😊  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 4:31 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater Bill,YES!  That idea for the "cleaning up - for better performance" video will be Greatly appreciated.  I am sure you will hit on points that most of us overlook (or didn't think of/know about).Thanks - looking forward to its Premier Showing!  Hopefully we will get "Invitations".Stay cool! Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 23, 2021 4:00 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater I have never had that split nut problem probably because I have never had my saddles stiffAnd yes you nearly always have to adjust the mill to get it sliding easaly, another thing to watch as you know curt Is a build-up of dust in between the top hats you have to remove one of them and slide the saddle out of the way to vacuum the trapped dust out. I must do a video on this some time. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 4:28 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater Hello MacJust to add a little bit to Bills story.I remember talking to Brian about this...The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, as well.There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him. For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my machine form damage. A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension ,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the problem, but something else all together. ;-) Live and Learn.  Have a good night. C.A.G.On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST,  wrote:   Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to be found. Question:  On the linked site (below) - go to the bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block modification -  Brian SlaterMy question:  Brian modified it -

RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[bulkeley]

You will I always post it here so if your not subscribed you know it will be a 
while its hot here I cant get in the shop many days. And I always say I do 
videos I never said they are good videos lol 😊 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 4:31 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater

 

Bill,

YES!  That idea for the "cleaning up - for better performance" video will be 
Greatly appreciated.  I am sure you will hit on points that most of us overlook 
(or didn't think of/know about).

Thanks - looking forward to its Premier Showing!  Hopefully we will get 
"Invitations".

Stay cool! 

Mac

  _  

-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au   
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 4:00 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater 




I have never had that split nut problem probably because I have never had my 
saddles stiff

And yes you nearly always have to adjust the mill to get it sliding easaly, 
another thing to watch as you know curt 

Is a build-up of dust in between the top hats you have to remove one of them 
and slide the saddle out of the way to vacuum the trapped dust out. I must do a 
video on this some time.

 

Bill


  _  


From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 4:28 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater

 

Hello Mac

Just to add a little bit to Bills story.

I remember talking to Brian about this...

The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. 
This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, 
as well.

There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the 
split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to 
move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split 
nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. 

but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place 
on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him.

 

For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I 
have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit 
switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at 
that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when 
this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my 
machine form damage.

 

A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came 
over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did 
everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the 
carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, 
and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the 
screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he 
removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension 
,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have 
any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU 
see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the 
problem, but something else all together. ;-)

 

Live and Learn. 

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.


  _  


On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides 
on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch 
made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem 
with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left

 

Bill


  _  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

 

I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to 
be found.

 

Question:  On the linked site 
  (below) - go to the 
bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  

It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split blo

RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,YES!  That idea for the "cleaning up - for better performance" video will be Greatly appreciated.  I am sure you will hit on points that most of us overlook (or didn't think of/know about).Thanks - looking forward to its Premier Showing!  Hopefully we will get "Invitations".Stay cool! Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 4:00 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

I have never had that split nut problem probably because I have never had my saddles stiffAnd yes you nearly always have to adjust the mill to get it sliding easaly, another thing to watch as you know curt Is a build-up of dust in between the top hats you have to remove one of them and slide the saddle out of the way to vacuum the trapped dust out. I must do a video on this some time. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 4:28 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater Hello MacJust to add a little bit to Bills story.I remember talking to Brian about this...The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, as well.There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him. For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my machine form damage. A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension ,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the problem, but something else all together. ;-) Live and Learn.  Have a good night. C.A.G.On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST,  wrote:   Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to be found. Question:  On the linked site (below) - go to the bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block modification -  Brian SlaterMy question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish? Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please explain your modification? Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 22, 2021 9:14 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: for beginners Yup still pops right upOn Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:33 PM  wrote:The sight is working for me again I can see every thing again go try it every body and see if its working for you all https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of artmarb...@comcast.netSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 6:48 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners At this moment, it appears to be a browser

Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[M.W.Foscue]

Curtis,Thanks.  No real need to contact him - except just a note to tell him that his "Split block modification" was a topic (item) of discussion on out Group's board.  If you do contact him, please tell him thanks for his past participation and contribution.Wow - he joined WAY Back - that was exactly SIXTEEN years ago!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater


HI Mac. (Brian Slater) Joined Feb 22 2005.All that I can tell you is, He still is on the list, and he requested NO E-mails, The old format use, to tell me last/most recent  postings... but the new format only tells me when he joined, and some other "private" details that are not important.I would guess that I could e-mail him and see if he reply's if you like?C.A.G.





On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 01:57:09 AM EST, M.W.Foscue  wrote:



Curtis & Bill,Thanks. nice background info.Is Brian still around?  Anybody know?Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 12:27 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater


Hello MacJust to add a little bit to Bills story.I remember talking to Brian about this...The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, as well.There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him.For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my machine form damage.A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension ,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the problem, but something else all together. ;-)Live and Learn. Have a good night.C.A.G.





On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST,   wrote:



Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left  Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater  I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to be found.  Question:  On the linked site (below) - go to the bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block modification -  Brian SlaterMy question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish?  Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please explain your modification?  Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 22, 2021 9:14 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: for beginners Yup still pops right upOn Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:33 PM 

Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 HI Mac. (Brian Slater) Joined Feb 22 2005.
All that I can tell you is, He still is on the list, and he requested NO 
E-mails, The old format use, to tell me last/most recent  postings... but the 
new format only tells me when he joined, and some other "private" details that 
are not important.I would guess that I could e-mail him and see if he reply's 
if you like?
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 01:57:09 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:  
 
 Curtis & Bill,Thanks. nice background 
info.Is Brian still around?  Anybody know?Mac

-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 12:27 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater

 Hello MacJust to add a little bit to Bills story.I remember talking to Brian 
about this...The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw 
while cutting. This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me 
using my Legacy, as well.There were a few problems that were not addressed at 
this time. For me the split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the 
carriage being to hard to move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same 
time that caused the split nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. 
but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place 
on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him.
For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I 
have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit 
switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at 
that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when 
this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my 
machine form damage.
A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came 
over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did 
everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the 
carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, 
and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the 
screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he 
removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension 
,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have 
any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU 
see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the 
problem, but something else all together. ;-)
Live and Learn. 
Have a good night.
C.A.G.On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST, 
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Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides 
on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch 
made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem 
with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left

  

Bill



 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

  

I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to 
be found.

  

Question:  On the linked site (below) - go to the bottom row of images, then 
the second one in from the left.  

It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block 
modification -  Brian Slater

My question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  

Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish?

  

Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  

Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please 
e

RE: Looking for some new projects.

[Michael Kratky]

Anthony,
I'm the polar opposite of you other than demonstrating once in Provo Utah and 
Mesa Arizona I'm exclusively in the Northeast with a stint in Richmond VA and 
Tampa Florida a few years back; strictly a hobbyist turner now as in reality 
there's no money in it after 50 years in denial not to mention all those 
widgets, gadgets, exotic wood, and technical equipment they keep dangling in 
front of us that will keep you in the poor house. Being in Code Enforcement I 
do enjoy seeing a construction project coming out of the ground to the finish 
especially some of the high end ones where money is no object like the one I 
signed off recently for the actor Tom Hanks.


Michael Kratky
Electrical Fire Underwriter Inspector and Consultant 
Commonwealth Electrical Inspection Services, Inc 
NY State Greater Capital District-Adirondack Regions
119 Riverview Road
Northville,NY 12134
theinspect...@roadrunner.com
(518) 863-8800 ofc
(518) 207-7247 mobile






-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 4:12 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

I live in Overland Park, KS.  It is a part of the Kansas City Metropolitan area.
I taught at the Local Woodcraft for a long while, but they aren't doing much 
now.  We do some classes at the local turning club. 
http://kcwoodturners.org/  Just did a beginning spindle class, and will soon 
start a beginning bowl class.
I have never done any stuff In New York.

I demonstrated in Florida a couple of times and a small one in Richmond or one 
of the Carolinas - you get over there on the other side of the Mississippi, and 
it all kind of blurs together.

Zoom is nice, but I much prefer physical presence when I demonstrate or watch.
The Instant Galleries are also better in person.

Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer, and the 
answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete, It is better to decide 
that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Kratky
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:37 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for some new projects.

Anthony where are you located and teaching turning? I've been doing the same 
for the last 20 years here in upstate NY and adjacent Massachusetts, like you 
Covid has shut me down to the point that I'm losing interest and may move on to 
something else but do find zoom an interesting outcome.


Michael Kratky
Electrical Fire Underwriter Inspector and Consultant Commonwealth Electrical 
Inspection Services, Inc NY State Greater Capital District-Adirondack Regions
119 Riverview Road
Northville,  NY 12134
theinspect...@roadrunner.com
(518) 863-8800 ofc
(518) 207-7247 mobile



-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

I teach woodturning classes.  The one I did today is local.
I traveled around some and did demos and hands on classes at clubs or symposia. 
 I use the past tense as the covid has made that difficult for the last year.  
I will probably start again as it gets better, but using Zoom may have some 
effect on that.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer, and the 
answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete, It is better to decide 
that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Thanks for sharing that Anthony.
I find that very interesting and appreciate your attention to detail.

You come across as a true craftsman.
I can also tell you are passionate about your turnings.
Are you teaching woodworking classes? Just curious and you don't have to answer 
if you wish not too.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 5:31 PM anthony  wrote:
Here are some pictures of a cup chuck that I am using to make boxes like I 
showed images of earlier.
It must be sized correctly to the piece being held, and the inside leading edge 
has to be crisp and within a degree or two of 90.
If the chuck is correct, you can do most eliptical work in it.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer, and the 
answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete, It is better to decide 
that one doesn't know and thus 

RE: for beginners

[wm.o.henry]

The new address works for me.

 

Thank you,

 

Bill H

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 1:07 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: for beginners

 

The problem is fixed now. The link Ray provided is close to correct.  A "s" 
should be added to the beginning part. So it would be 
"https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html";.  The reason I say close 
is the server should re-route you to the secured site if you don't use it. All 
of the error messages for anything security related, looks pretty scary , but I 
can assure you that my site is secure. 

 

Thanks for letting me know.

 

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 4:58:13 PM UTC-8 Va Oak wrote:

I use Firefox and could not access the link.

However, I was able to get the below link that Ray provided to open.  Is Ray's 
link the one that we were supposed to be seeing - or was it to a different web 
site all together?

If it appears to be a "browser issue" - then it is also a server or web site 
programmer issue as well.  Most sites run their content against all the major 
browsers to be sure they will work with what they designed the site to portray. 
 So, I suspect at least a part of the issue is with the technical side of the 
website that the site's author contracted out for technical management (not 
content management - which is what I assume Tim K. and Curtis do).  Refer to 
the error message I cut & pasted in an earlier reply (below) regarding 
"Transport Layer Security" (TLS).  That's technical (vs content related).

 

Thank you Tim, Curtis, and any others that are trying to get the issue(s) 
resolved.

We ALL appreciate it - very much.

Mac


  _  


-Original Message- 
From: Ray Leaman 
Sent: Feb 22, 2021 3:03 PM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: for beginners 

If you all are talking about Art Ransom's archived site I have been getting 
into it throughout this discussion and rummaging around without any problems.  
I have the site bookmarked at :

 

 ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html 
 

 

I'm running Windows 10  Home.

 

Ray


  _  


 

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:48 PM mailto:artma...@comcast.net> > wrote:

At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site using 
firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify this?

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of wm.o@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it is 
hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not 
something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around to 
doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact 
server operator to alert them to the situation.

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

Bill,

Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.

Mac


  _  


-Original Message- 
From: wm.o@gmail.com   
Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: RE: for beginners 

I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same 
issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for 
the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to 
the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; 
generally not a good idea.

 

Bill Henry

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error 
message" up.

Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:

Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".

When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.

Thanks.

Mac


  _  


Website issues


TLS version unsupported


Some websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security 
  (TLS) mechanisms in an 
attempt to 

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[Tim Ziegler]

If someone wants to get a pattern "exact" for me I could try cutting some
plastic or Acrylic gears for you.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 3:30 AM  wrote:

> I don’t know of anybody in particular because I am in Australia but any
> company with a laser cutter can. And legacy them selves sell some gears I
> am told you would have to ring and ask.
>
> Now if your really desperate and own a scroll saw and have lot and lots of
> patience you can cut your own out of mild steel plate I did.
>
> Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of anthony
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 8:35 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
> I am not certain what kind of bits to use.  It looks like a roman ogee and
> a round over bit to me, but I am not confident.  I made most of one by
> hand, the beads are not yet well formed enough, but I am not excited about
> doing it again.  It hurts.
> Did you say that there is someone who can make gears?
>
> __
> In the realm of ideas it is better to let the mind sally forth, even if
> some precious preconceptions suffer a mauling.
> -- Robert F. Goheen
>
> .__
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:17 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> NIce are  you going to use a classical spiral bit now?
>
> an hour each sounds pretty good.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 02:07:23 PM EST, anthony <
> acmepi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> The turning is long since done.  Took me about an hour each.
> I am getting ready to go teach a class.
> Talk again this evening.
>
> 
> Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
> and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
> It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:19 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230192
> this router bit would give you the cut you are looking for. ( A rope with
> the two flats.)
> If I had to guess I would say a 1" or larger (what ever the dia. of the
> spindle is what I would use.)
>
> If I were going to make these, I would use both the lathe and the Legacy.
> On your spindle you have only three types of cuts, The Roughing cut. and
> then two final cuts.
> The Transition cuts around the squares will be hardest trickiest part.
> this could be done in a number of ways.
>
> A very small beading bit (most likely a 1/8") for the transitions cuts by
> the squares.(I would do this on my lathe. but there are other ways to make
> this cut.) (even a hack saw blade could work on this cut, after a light cut
> form the 1/8" beading bit's cut to deepen the cut...?)
> The bead/ball on the top looks like it uses the same as the rope, If so the
> classical plunge router bit could do everything else.
>
> ONE other note. Just so we are talking the same, a Pitch is . How far the
> spindle moves for one full rotation. It really dose not matter where you
> measure your cut form.
> I think I 3" pitch would work just as well as a 2 1/2". By eye it would be
> pretty hard to tell the difference as long as everything is the same.
> (uniformity is the key!)
> I hope this helps you out?
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 03:18:57 AM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
> If that is a 2 start spiral then the pitch is measured from the center of
> the spiral to 2 twists down see the pic dark arrow. Are the flats your
> referring too were the yellow arrow is pointing in the pic. If so they
> would
> be done after you mill the barley with a planning bit of the appropriate
> width using the same pitch as the barley.as for other gears you may need
> you
> will have to find a laser cutting person to make them for you anyone here
> with a with a legacy 1000 could give you the sizes to give the laser
> cutter.i hope that is what your asking
> Bill
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>  On Behalf Of anthony
> Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2021 4:44 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
> This is the original message with the question in it.
> attached is the image of the sample balusters

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[Tim Ziegler]

Gotcha, He usually represented "Fine WoodWorking"
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 11:29 PM anthony  wrote:

>
> I have never spoken with him, but if he is at the traveling Tool Shows, I
> have probably seen him.
> I think those shows have really gone down hill in the last ten years.  The
> last few years I go to them just because the local club has a presence.
>
>
> 
>
> All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a
> philosopher.
> Ambrose Bierce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:42 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
> Hey on another note do you happen to know or have you ever met Rollie
> Johnson, contributing Editor to "Fine Woodworking"?
> He travels and does a lot of teaching and training. He actually lives out
> about 45 minutes from me here in Minnesota.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 8:34 PM anthony  wrote:
> I teach woodturning classes.  The one I did today is local.
> I traveled around some and did demos and hands on classes at clubs or
> symposia.  I use the past tense as the covid has made that difficult for
> the
> last year.  I will probably start again as it gets better, but using Zoom
> may have some effect on that.
>
>
> 
> Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
> and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
> It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:13 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing that Anthony.
> I find that very interesting and appreciate your attention
> to detail.
>
> You come across as a true craftsman.
> I can also tell you are passionate about your turnings.
> Are you teaching woodworking classes? Just curious and
> you don't have to answer if you wish not too.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 5:31 PM anthony  wrote:
> Here are some pictures of a cup chuck that I am using to make boxes like I
> showed images of earlier.
> It must be sized correctly to the piece being held, and the inside leading
> edge has to be crisp and within a degree or two of 90.
> If the chuck is correct, you can do most eliptical work in it.
>
>
> 
> Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
> and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
> It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:31 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
> Hey Anthony,
>
> Any time you reference something like this chuck your talking about can you
> download a pix or two?
> Just be curious to see some of these items. Possibly others would be
> interested too?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 11:22 AM anthony  wrote:
> A cup chuck.  The important part of the cup chuck is shaped like the inside
> of a coffee cup with the rim being very crisp and of a diameter just
> slightly smaller than the major diameter of the sphere and friction holds
> the sphere in place while you work it.  The sphere can be placed in the cup
> chuck at any orientation to permit access to its entire surface.  To make
> the box, all of the work on the sphere is done in the cup chuck except the
> initial step of turning the stock from square to approximate sphere.
> The internal box, that piece that comes out of the sphere, is turned mostly
> in a regular four-jawed chuck with one step done in a jam chuck.
>
> anthony
>
> 
> Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
> and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
> It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:47 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
> them are pretty cool. Wha

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[Tim Ziegler]

Andy you can get gears straight from Legacy. Then you got everything exact.
Others will chime in here too. I just bought my sets about 2 years ago. Ask
for Cindy
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 11:29 PM anthony  wrote:

> I am not certain what kind of bits to use.  It looks like a roman ogee and
> a
> round over bit to me, but I am not confident.  I made most of one by hand,
> the beads are not yet well formed enough, but I am not excited about doing
> it again.  It hurts.
> Did you say that there is someone who can make gears?
>
> __
> In the realm of ideas it is better to let the mind sally forth, even if
> some
> precious preconceptions suffer a mauling.
> -- Robert F. Goheen
>
> .__
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:17 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> NIce are  you going to use a classical spiral bit now?
>
> an hour each sounds pretty good.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 02:07:23 PM EST, anthony <
> acmepi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> The turning is long since done.  Took me about an hour each.
> I am getting ready to go teach a class.
> Talk again this evening.
>
> 
> Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
> and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
> It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:19 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230192
> this router bit would give you the cut you are looking for. ( A rope with
> the two flats.)
> If I had to guess I would say a 1" or larger (what ever the dia. of the
> spindle is what I would use.)
>
> If I were going to make these, I would use both the lathe and the Legacy.
> On your spindle you have only three types of cuts, The Roughing cut. and
> then two final cuts.
> The Transition cuts around the squares will be hardest trickiest part.
> this could be done in a number of ways.
>
> A very small beading bit (most likely a 1/8") for the transitions cuts by
> the squares.(I would do this on my lathe. but there are other ways to make
> this cut.) (even a hack saw blade could work on this cut, after a light cut
> form the 1/8" beading bit's cut to deepen the cut...?)
> The bead/ball on the top looks like it uses the same as the rope, If so the
> classical plunge router bit could do everything else.
>
> ONE other note. Just so we are talking the same, a Pitch is . How far the
> spindle moves for one full rotation. It really dose not matter where you
> measure your cut form.
> I think I 3" pitch would work just as well as a 2 1/2". By eye it would be
> pretty hard to tell the difference as long as everything is the same.
> (uniformity is the key!)
> I hope this helps you out?
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 03:18:57 AM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
> If that is a 2 start spiral then the pitch is measured from the center of
> the spiral to 2 twists down see the pic dark arrow. Are the flats your
> referring too were the yellow arrow is pointing in the pic. If so they
> would
> be done after you mill the barley with a planning bit of the appropriate
> width using the same pitch as the barley.as for other gears you may need
> you
> will have to find a laser cutting person to make them for you anyone here
> with a with a legacy 1000 could give you the sizes to give the laser
> cutter.i hope that is what your asking
> Bill
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>  On Behalf Of anthony
> Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2021 4:44 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
> This is the original message with the question in it.
> attached is the image of the sample balusters.
>
> I am reproducing five balusters that have a double-start barley twist.  A
> normal double-start twist, I would usually make by hand.  These balusters
> have four flats that parallel as a transition between each bead and cove
> along the twist.  These make it very difficult to work by hand.
>
> I have gained access to a legacy 1000 mill.  Unfortunately, the travel of
> the twist is 2.25 inches.  That means that I either need a 2.25 or 9 gear;
> the latter could be used with the .25 reduction gear.  Unfortunately, the
> normal gear sets don't include 

RE:

[bulkeley]

Funny you should ask I put it at the top of my list I started on one today I 
just finished glueing wood together for 2 blank halves  for doing the big 
outside spiral lol 😊 all the talk lately got me into it. And yes I’m videoing 
bits of it but it will take a while I’m working only on cooler days

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 4:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

 

The tripple spiral is boss, i really want to make one of those, can i ask how?

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 12:28 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I wish I could help you with this one Brett but I can’t I had pics of it but I 
lost them when my house burnt down some years back but I am going to remake 
this I will video the process and add it to my YouTube channel when I do to 
show that very process I have a lot to do my channel is new and I am slow but 
remember I said I do videos but I didn’t say they are good videos lol 😊 I don’t 
know if any of the other members have any pics of the process.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2021 5:18 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: 

 

I'd like to see a picture of the hollow core spiral technique you guys mentioned

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RE: Looking for some new projects.

[bulkeley]

I don’t know of anybody in particular because I am in Australia but any company 
with a laser cutter can. And legacy them selves sell some gears I am told you 
would have to ring and ask.

Now if your really desperate and own a scroll saw and have lot and lots of 
patience you can cut your own out of mild steel plate I did.

Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 8:35 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

I am not certain what kind of bits to use.  It looks like a roman ogee and a 
round over bit to me, but I am not confident.  I made most of one by hand, the 
beads are not yet well formed enough, but I am not excited about doing it 
again.  It hurts.
Did you say that there is someone who can make gears?

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In the realm of ideas it is better to let the mind sally forth, even if some 
precious preconceptions suffer a mauling.
-- Robert F. Goheen
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-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:17 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



NIce are  you going to use a classical spiral bit now?

an hour each sounds pretty good.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 02:07:23 PM EST, anthony  
wrote:


The turning is long since done.  Took me about an hour each.
I am getting ready to go teach a class.
Talk again this evening.


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:19 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230192
this router bit would give you the cut you are looking for. ( A rope with
the two flats.)
If I had to guess I would say a 1" or larger (what ever the dia. of the
spindle is what I would use.)

If I were going to make these, I would use both the lathe and the Legacy.
On your spindle you have only three types of cuts, The Roughing cut. and
then two final cuts.
The Transition cuts around the squares will be hardest trickiest part.
this could be done in a number of ways.

A very small beading bit (most likely a 1/8") for the transitions cuts by
the squares.(I would do this on my lathe. but there are other ways to make
this cut.) (even a hack saw blade could work on this cut, after a light cut
form the 1/8" beading bit's cut to deepen the cut...?)
The bead/ball on the top looks like it uses the same as the rope, If so the
classical plunge router bit could do everything else.

ONE other note. Just so we are talking the same, a Pitch is . How far the
spindle moves for one full rotation. It really dose not matter where you
measure your cut form.
I think I 3" pitch would work just as well as a 2 1/2". By eye it would be
pretty hard to tell the difference as long as everything is the same.
(uniformity is the key!)
I hope this helps you out?
Please let me know what you think?

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 03:18:57 AM EST, 
wrote:


If that is a 2 start spiral then the pitch is measured from the center of
the spiral to 2 twists down see the pic dark arrow. Are the flats your
referring too were the yellow arrow is pointing in the pic. If so they would
be done after you mill the barley with a planning bit of the appropriate
width using the same pitch as the barley.as for other gears you may need you
will have to find a laser cutting person to make them for you anyone here
with a with a legacy 1000 could give you the sizes to give the laser
cutter.i hope that is what your asking
Bill


-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2021 4:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

This is the original message with the question in it.
attached is the image of the sample balusters.

I am reproducing five balusters that have a double-start barley twist.  A
normal double-start twist, I would usually make by hand.  These balusters
have four flats that parallel as a transition between each bead and cove
along the twist.  These make it very difficult to work by hand.

I have gained access to a legacy 1000 mill.  Unfortunately, the travel of
the twist is 2.25 inches.  That means that I either need a 2.25 or 9 gear;
the latter could be used with the .25 reduction gear.  Unfortunately, the
normal gear sets don't include either gear.  No

RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[bulkeley]

I have never had that split nut problem probably because I have never had my 
saddles stiff

And yes you nearly always have to adjust the mill to get it sliding easaly, 
another thing to watch as you know curt 

Is a build-up of dust in between the top hats you have to remove one of them 
and slide the saddle out of the way to vacuum the trapped dust out. I must do a 
video on this some time.

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 4:28 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian 
Slater

 

Hello Mac

Just to add a little bit to Bills story.

I remember talking to Brian about this...

The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. 
This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, 
as well.

There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the 
split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to 
move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split 
nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. 

but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place 
on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him.

 

For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I 
have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit 
switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at 
that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when 
this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my 
machine form damage.

 

A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came 
over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did 
everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the 
carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, 
and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the 
screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he 
removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension 
,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have 
any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU 
see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the 
problem, but something else all together. ;-)

 

Live and Learn. 

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides 
on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch 
made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem 
with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

 

I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to 
be found.

 

Question:  On the linked site 
  (below) - go to the 
bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  

It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block 
modification -  Brian Slater

My question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  

Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish?

 

Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  

Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please 
explain your modification?

 

Thanks.

Mac

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-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 22, 2021 9:14 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: Re: for beginners 

Yup still pops right up


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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:33 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The sight is working for me again I can see every thing again go try it every 
body and see if its working for you all 

https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html

 

Bill


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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
artmarb...@comcast.net  
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 6:48 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

RE: for beginners

[bulkeley]

Thank you master yoda for fixing the force for us humble apprentice jedi’s lol 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 5:07 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: for beginners

 

The problem is fixed now. The link Ray provided is close to correct.  A "s" 
should be added to the beginning part. So it would be 
"https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html";.  The reason I say close 
is the server should re-route you to the secured site if you don't use it. All 
of the error messages for anything security related, looks pretty scary , but I 
can assure you that my site is secure. 

 

Thanks for letting me know.

 

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 4:58:13 PM UTC-8 Va Oak wrote:

I use Firefox and could not access the link.

However, I was able to get the below link that Ray provided to open.  Is Ray's 
link the one that we were supposed to be seeing - or was it to a different web 
site all together?

If it appears to be a "browser issue" - then it is also a server or web site 
programmer issue as well.  Most sites run their content against all the major 
browsers to be sure they will work with what they designed the site to portray. 
 So, I suspect at least a part of the issue is with the technical side of the 
website that the site's author contracted out for technical management (not 
content management - which is what I assume Tim K. and Curtis do).  Refer to 
the error message I cut & pasted in an earlier reply (below) regarding 
"Transport Layer Security" (TLS).  That's technical (vs content related).

 

Thank you Tim, Curtis, and any others that are trying to get the issue(s) 
resolved.

We ALL appreciate it - very much.

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: Ray Leaman 
Sent: Feb 22, 2021 3:03 PM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: for beginners 

If you all are talking about Art Ransom's archived site I have been getting 
into it throughout this discussion and rummaging around without any problems.  
I have the site bookmarked at :

 

 ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html 
 

 

I'm running Windows 10  Home.

 

Ray


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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:48 PM mailto:artma...@comcast.net> > wrote:

At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site using 
firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify this?

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of wm.o@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it is 
hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not 
something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around to 
doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact 
server operator to alert them to the situation.

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

Bill,

Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: wm.o@gmail.com   
Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: RE: for beginners 

I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same 
issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for 
the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to 
the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; 
generally not a good idea.

 

Bill Henry

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error 
message" up.

Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:

Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".

When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.

Thanks.

Mac


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Website issues


TLS version unsupported


Some websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security 
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