Re: not legacy - Award recognition

[Jeff Richmond]

Lol 😆 

Jeff from Connecticut

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have some sitting on the band saw ready to be resawed. at least 3 more nice 
> ones in the finish room all nice and 
> dry. the one on the bandsaw has been jointed, wow you should see it POP. 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:00 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>> Jeff & Tim,
>>  
>> Keep it up and I'm going to have to submit you guys the the National 
>> Association to Prevent the Burning of Beautiful Wood (NA2PBBW). 
>> You will be nominated for Special Recognition - and designated "Bronze 
>> Members" (entry level).
>> A requisite for that designation is you will have to mail samples of the 
>> Beautiful Wood you "rescued" to 10 members of "The Group".  Those samples 
>> will need to be "finely finished" on all six faces and must be a minimum of 
>> one board foot in size.
>> Better get started - cutting and finishing your pieces!
>>  
>> Mac
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 15, 2021 7:23 PM
>> To: LOM Group 
>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>> 
>>  
>> Yeah its funny how that just grabs our attention right.
>> Kind Regards,
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>  
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:07 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
>>> Yea, this was tiger maple too. I was splitting after work in the dark and I 
>>> could still see it. My “spidey sense” was working overtime and had to go 
>>> back over what I already split and pulled a few more out. Lol
>>> 
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I was burning wood I pulled out lots of tiger stripe and saved them, 
>>> so mighty nice wood goes into the fire if
>>> a guy doesn't watch for it. 
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>  
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>  
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>> 
 On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Jeff Richmond  
 wrote:
 Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT
  
 I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects. 
 Although, I eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I 
 just couldn’t bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was 
 already cut short so I may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.
  
 I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?  
 🤷‍♂️
 
 Jeff from Connecticut
 
 On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:
 
 Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was told 
 they are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always been 
 very poor lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for the 
 Show fortunately we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide lathes 
 and turning accessories for us.
 
  
 
 BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill 
 beams, I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
 
  
 
 Michael
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: not legacy
 
  
 
 Jeff,
 
 That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where 
 The Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
 It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in 
 Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
 We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for 
 one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the 
 4 days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after 
 coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised 
 the admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
 Cheers!
 Mac
 -Original Message-
 From: 
 Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
 To: 
 Subject: Re: not legacy
 
  
 As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition 
 and is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts 
 for a couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During 
 the rest of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events, 
 including “the woodworking shows”.
 
  
 
 Jeff from Connecticut
 
  
 
 On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from d

Re: not legacy - Award recognition

[Tim Ziegler]

I have some sitting on the band saw ready to be resawed. at least 3 more
nice ones in the finish room all nice and
dry. the one on the bandsaw has been jointed, wow you should see it POP.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:00 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Jeff & Tim,
>
>
>
> Keep it up and I'm going to have to submit you guys the the National
> Association to Prevent the Burning of Beautiful Wood (NA2PBBW).
>
> You will be nominated for Special Recognition - and designated "Bronze
> Members" (entry level).
>
> A requisite for that designation is you will have to mail samples of the
> Beautiful Wood you "rescued" to 10 members of "The Group".  Those samples
> will need to be "finely finished" on all six faces and must be a minimum of
> one board foot in size.
>
> Better get started - cutting and finishing your pieces!
>
>
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 15, 2021 7:23 PM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>
>
> Yeah its funny how that just grabs our attention right.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:07 PM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
>> Yea, this was tiger maple too. I was splitting after work in the dark and
>> I could still see it. My “spidey sense” was working overtime and had to go
>> back over what I already split and pulled a few more out. Lol
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> When I was burning wood I pulled out lots of tiger stripe and saved them,
>> so mighty nice wood goes into the fire if
>> a guy doesn't watch for it.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Jeff Richmond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT
>>>
>>> I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects.
>>> Although, I eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I
>>> just couldn’t bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was
>>> already cut short so I may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.
>>>
>>> I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?
>>>  🤷‍♂️
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was
>>> told they are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always
>>> been very poor lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for
>>> the Show fortunately we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide
>>> lathes and turning accessories for us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill
>>> beams, I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where
>>> The Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
>>>
>>> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in
>>> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
>>>
>>> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I,
>>> for one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for
>>> the 4 days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after
>>> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised
>>> the admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition
>>> and is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts
>>> for a couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During
>>> the rest of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events,
>>> including “the woodworking shows”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>>
>>> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb
>>> what is the Big E?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legac

Re: not legacy - Award recognition

[M.W.Foscue]

Jeff & Tim,
 
Keep it up and I'm going to have to submit you guys the the National 
Association to Prevent the Burning of Beautiful Wood (NA2PBBW). 
You will be nominated for Special Recognition - and designated "Bronze Members" 
(entry level).
A requisite for that designation is you will have to mail samples of the 
Beautiful Wood you "rescued" to 10 members of "The Group".  Those samples will 
need to be "finely finished" on all six faces and must be a minimum of one 
board foot in size.
Better get started - cutting and finishing your pieces!
 
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 15, 2021 7:23 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: not legacy
 
Yeah its funny how that just grabs our attention right.Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:07 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
Yea, this was tiger maple too. I was splitting after work in the dark and I 
could still see it. My “spidey sense” was working overtime and had to go back 
over what I already split and pulled a few more out. Lol

Jeff from Connecticut

On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:


When I was burning wood I pulled out lots of tiger stripe and saved them, so 
mighty nice wood goes into the fire ifa guy doesn't watch for it. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT 
I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects. Although, I 
eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I just couldn’t 
bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was already cut short so I 
may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.
 
I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?  🤷‍♂️

Jeff from Connecticut

On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:


Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was told they 
are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always been very poor 
lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for the Show fortunately 
we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide lathes and turning accessories 
for us.
 
BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill beams, 
I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
 
Michael
 
 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)] On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: Re: not legacy

 
Jeff,
That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where The 
Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in 
Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for one, 
am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the 4 days is 
very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after 
coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised the 
admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
Cheers!
Mac



-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: not legacy
 
As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition and is 
a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts for a couple 
weeks in late September into early October each year. During the rest of the 
year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events, including “the 
woodworking shows”. 
 

Jeff from Connecticut

 
On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
(mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au) wrote:

Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb what 
is the Big E?
 
Bill
 
 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)  On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: RE: not legacy


 
Jeff,
Got my 1200 the same time there.
 
I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the street 
from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at last week’s 
meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only 4 vendors 
signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are mandated again 
regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running Sportsman Show near me 
in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as a result.
 
Michael
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:

Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Yeah its funny how that just grabs our attention right.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:07 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:

> Yea, this was tiger maple too. I was splitting after work in the dark and
> I could still see it. My “spidey sense” was working overtime and had to go
> back over what I already split and pulled a few more out. Lol
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
> When I was burning wood I pulled out lots of tiger stripe and saved them,
> so mighty nice wood goes into the fire if
> a guy doesn't watch for it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT
>>
>> I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects.
>> Although, I eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I
>> just couldn’t bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was
>> already cut short so I may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.
>>
>> I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?
>>  🤷‍♂️
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was
>> told they are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always
>> been very poor lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for
>> the Show fortunately we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide
>> lathes and turning accessories for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill
>> beams, I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where
>> The Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
>>
>> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in
>> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
>>
>> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for
>> one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the
>> 4 days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after
>> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised
>> the admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition
>> and is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts
>> for a couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During
>> the rest of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events,
>> including “the woodworking shows”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb
>> what is the Big E?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Got my 1200 the same time there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the
>> street from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at
>> last week’s meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only
>> 4 vendors signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are
>> mandated again regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running
>> Sportsman Show near me in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as
>> a result.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
>> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Richmond
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly
>> ritual until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900
>> back in 2004. I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff from Connect

Re: not legacy

[Jeff Richmond]

Yea, this was tiger maple too. I was splitting after work in the dark and I 
could still see it. My “spidey sense” was working overtime and had to go back 
over what I already split and pulled a few more out. Lol

Jeff from Connecticut

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> 
> When I was burning wood I pulled out lots of tiger stripe and saved them, so 
> mighty nice wood goes into the fire if
> a guy doesn't watch for it. 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT
>> 
>> I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects. Although, 
>> I eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I just 
>> couldn’t bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was already 
>> cut short so I may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.
>> 
>> I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?  
>> 🤷‍♂️
>> 
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was told 
>>> they are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always been 
>>> very poor lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for the 
>>> Show fortunately we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide lathes 
>>> and turning accessories for us.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill 
>>> beams, I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where 
>>> The Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
>>> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in 
>>> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
>>> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for 
>>> one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the 
>>> 4 days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after 
>>> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised 
>>> the admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
>>> Cheers!
>>> Mac
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>> 
>>>  
>>> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition 
>>> and is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts 
>>> for a couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During 
>>> the rest of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events, 
>>> including “the woodworking shows”.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb 
>>> what is the Big E?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: not legacy
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> Got my 1200 the same time there.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the street 
>>> from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at last 
>>> week’s meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only 4 
>>> vendors signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are 
>>> mandated again regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running 
>>> Sportsman Show near me in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as 
>>> a result.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Richmond
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly ritual 
>>> until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900 back in 
>>> 2004. I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live 
>>> long enough to pay it off 

Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

When I was burning wood I pulled out lots of tiger stripe and saved them,
so mighty nice wood goes into the fire if
a guy doesn't watch for it.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:11 AM Jeff Richmond 
wrote:

> 
> Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT
>
> I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects.
> Although, I eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I
> just couldn’t bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was
> already cut short so I may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.
>
> I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?
>  🤷‍♂️
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was told
> they are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always been
> very poor lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for the
> Show fortunately we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide lathes
> and turning accessories for us.
>
>
>
> BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill
> beams, I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where
> The Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
>
> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in
> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
>
> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for
> one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the
> 4 days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after
> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised
> the admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition
> and is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts
> for a couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During
> the rest of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events,
> including “the woodworking shows”.
>
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb
> what is the Big E?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Got my 1200 the same time there.
>
>
>
> I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the
> street from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at
> last week’s meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only
> 4 vendors signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are
> mandated again regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running
> Sportsman Show near me in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as
> a result.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Richmond
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly
> ritual until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900
> back in 2004. I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.
>
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Michael Kratky 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live
> long enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a
> living woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
>
>
>
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths
> with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking
> Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I always
> see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I would have
> to believe the Show will go dark again.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:le

Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Jack,
Welcome and thanks for the input.
Yes the woodworking shows are an awesome place to find new tool, trying to
hit the market,
and tried and true tools and getting "show specialtys" lol.
that is where Bead Loc started I'm pretty sure, Inline Indjustries gets
most of his sales at shows too.
Lots of stuff to see.



Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:23 AM Jack Terry  wrote:

> Your comments reminded me of the Baltimore wood working show. I went every
> year when I lived in Maryland. Shows don’t come to Louisiana— closes show
> is Houston or Atlanta. If anyone can attend a show I highly recommend it.
> Good place to see what’s new especially new tools created by individuals
> trying to create a market. Baltimore is where I first met Andy and saw my
> LoM 1200
>
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 12:39 AM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jeff,
>
> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where
> The Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
>
> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in
> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
>
> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for
> one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the
> 4 days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after
> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised
> the admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>
>
> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition
> and is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts
> for a couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During
> the rest of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events,
> including “the woodworking shows”.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb
> what is the Big E?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Got my 1200 the same time there.
>
>
>
> I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the
> street from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at
> last week’s meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only
> 4 vendors signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are
> mandated again regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running
> Sportsman Show near me in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as
> a result.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Richmond
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly
> ritual until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900
> back in 2004. I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.
>
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Michael Kratky 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live
> long enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a
> living woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
>
>
>
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths
> with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking
> Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I always
> see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I would have
> to believe the Show will go dark again.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
> *To:* LOM Group
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said.
>
> I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for the
> insight on that.
>
> Like for me I would not be the least interested in it.
>
> If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I follow
> them some.
>
> Thanks again Michael.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
>

Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Yeah I'm going to pick his brain some more and go over to his shop
and play with Box joints. He said it's awesome, and will change the way we
do
box joints forever. I'm looking forward to that.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:00 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> There are videos out there where they are doing M&Ts on pieces that come
> together at an angle - and maybe even at compound angles.  You never know
> how easy or difficult that is/can be until you get your own and do it
> yourself from start to finish.  Just like so many folks experienced with
> the LOMs they bought at TWWS.  That's probably why you see so many being
> sold that were hardly or never used; much less those that never even got
> completely assembled.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 15, 2021 6:44 AM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>
>
> Yeah I asked him about chair parts with curves and it sounds like that
> might be a challenge.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:42 AM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>>
>>
>> You need to get him to demo the S.O. making mortises and matching tenons!
>>
>> Impressive!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:14 PM
>> To: LOM Group 
>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>
>>
>> Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the
>> "Shaper Origin"
>> at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie Johnson.
>> Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this
>> month's current issue and you will see him
>> in there with his article on it.
>> Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure
>> but
>> to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to
>> compensate for the operator's errors. It truly does
>> what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking
>> outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if
>> it 3D carves but I'll ask him.
>> Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure.
>> I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to
>>> work in 2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff
>>> like that but not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would
>>> not work a shame I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just
>>> a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and
>>> excited about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a
>>> lot of difference.
>>>
>>> I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
>>> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
>>> *To:* LOM Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Michael,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke
>>> highly of them. I think
>>>
>>> he did a demo a CMWWA group too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like
>>> for floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and
>>> they’ll notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent
>>> and mostly in the middle of the day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *
>>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.shapertools.com/en-us/o

Re: not legacy

[Jeff Richmond]

Interesting 🤔  I am about 1 hour east of Hartford, CT

I have a small sawmill but cut mainly for my own outdoor projects. Although, I 
eyeballed a piece of firewood yesterday while splitting that I just couldn’t 
bring myself to burn. Too late for the sawmill as it was already cut short so I 
may use it for candle stands on the Legacy.

I burn my scraps but what happens when even the scraps look pretty good?  🤷‍♂️

Jeff from Connecticut

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:
> 
> Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was told 
> they are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always been 
> very poor lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for the Show 
> fortunately we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide lathes and 
> turning accessories for us.
>  
> BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill 
> beams, I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.
>  
> Michael
>  
>  
>  
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>  
> Jeff,
> 
> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where The 
> Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in 
> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for 
> one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the 4 
> days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after 
> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised the 
> admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
> Cheers!
> Mac
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
> 
>  
> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition and 
> is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts for a 
> couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During the rest 
> of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events, including 
> “the woodworking shows”.
>  
> Jeff from Connecticut
>  
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb what 
> is the Big E?
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
>  
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: not legacy
>  
> Jeff,
> Got my 1200 the same time there.
>  
> I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the street 
> from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at last week’s 
> meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only 4 vendors 
> signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are mandated again 
> regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running Sportsman Show near me 
> in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as a result.
>  
> Michael
>  
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Richmond
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>  
> Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly ritual 
> until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900 back in 
> 2004. I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.
>  
> Jeff from Connecticut
>  
> 
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:
> 
>  
> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live long 
> enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a living 
> woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
>  
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths 
> with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking 
> Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I always 
> see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I would have to 
> believe the Show will go dark again.
>  
> Michael
>  
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
> To: LOM Group
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>  
> Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said. 
> I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for the 
> insight on that.
> Like for me I would not be the least interested in it. 
> If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I follow 
> them some. 
> Thanks again Michael.
>  
>  
> Kind Regards,
>  

Re: Shaper Origin

[Jeff Richmond]

Lol, I guess I will have to keep a chain mortiser on my wish list then. 

Jeff from Connecticut

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:34 AM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
> 
> They were working on it - but realized that they'd only be able to sell it to 
> the likes of a "Paul Bunyan"-size customer and that it would have to be 
> connected to a Diesel generator the size of "Babe" to power it!
> I think they have since reconsidered the whole idea and will most likely 
> relegate it to the wood pile. LoL!
> Mac
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 15, 2021 6:51 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Shaper Origin
> 
>  
> Do the have a larger version for timber frame joinery?
>  
> That may get my attention.
> 
> Jeff from Connecticut
> 
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 6:46 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> 
> Yeah and it looks like Rockler is a strong supporter of them. 
> 
> Kind Regards,
>  
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>  
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:18 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>> The other day they had a "Special" going - where they throw in extra 
>> tracking tape (the white tape that looks like it has dominos - the game 
>> pieces - on it).
>> They also have a "Workstation" that they sometimes throw in.  I think they 
>> were including a year or two of customer tech support.  If you want one - 
>> and aren't in a hurry, get on their mailing list - they'll send you promos 
>> every ~6 weeks.  In the meantime, when they send you invites to the weekly 
>> "training/demos", jump on them.  Good info if you are in the market for one.
>> Mac
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:28 PM
>> To: LOM Group 
>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>> 
>>  
>> yup pretty close on that price Rollie said about $3000
>> Kind Regards,
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>  
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:33 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
>>> I looked through the information more and it appears to start around $2600 
>>> and goes up from there. The mobility is interesting 🤔 but I am usually not 
>>> on the go to need that for my small projects.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Jeff,
>>>  
>>> I'll see if Michael answers that as I have not been following the product 
>>> to close. 
>>> Yes Festool builds a great tool, I have several but Makita is sliding in 
>>> there right now too. 
>>> I have as much that color as the Festool. But Milwaukee still dominates in 
>>> the drills, drivers etc...
>>>  
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>  
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>  
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jeff Richmond  
>>> wrote:
 Nice demo, how much do these things go for?
  
 If FesTool is part of it, I assume it’s costly but they do make good 
 quality stuff.
 
 Jeff from Connecticut 
 
 On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
 
 Thanks Michael, 
 Rollie is actually stopping out today at the shop so looking forward to 
 hearing what he has to say about the shows too.
 So what restrictions got enacted yesterday, I'm a bit out of the loop as I 
 don't listen to mainstream news much or at all. 
 I have not been to one of the shows in a long time. 
 Used to go with the Haeg Brother's but the one has been gone for a few 
 years now and his brother did not drive the cities area. 
 I never did see the LOM demo in the Twin Cities area but shopsmith used to 
 come that way. 
 Well better hit the shop talk more later Michael. 
 
 Kind Regards,
  
 Timothy J. Ziegler
 Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
 14171 160th Ave.
 Foreston MN 56330
  
 320-294-5798 shop
 320-630-2243 cell
 
 On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:18 AM Michael Kratky  
 wrote:
> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live 
> long enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a 
> living woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
> 
>  
> 
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths 
> with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking 
> Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I 
> always see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I 
> would have to believe the Show will go dark again.
> 
>  
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
> To: LOM Group
> Subject: 

Re: not legacy

[Jack Terry]

Your comments reminded me of the Baltimore wood working show. I went every year 
when I lived in Maryland. Shows don’t come to Louisiana— closes show is Houston 
or Atlanta. If anyone can attend a show I highly recommend it. Good place to 
see what’s new especially new tools created by individuals trying to create a 
market. Baltimore is where I first met Andy and saw my LoM 1200

Jack

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 12:39 AM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jeff,
> That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where The 
> Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.
> It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in 
> Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)
> We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for 
> one, am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the 4 
> days is very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after 
> coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised the 
> admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!
> Cheers!
> Mac
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
> 
>  
> As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition and 
> is a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts for a 
> couple weeks in late September into early October each year. During the rest 
> of the year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events, including 
> “the woodworking shows”.
>  
> Jeff from Connecticut
> 
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb what 
> is the Big E?
> 
>  
> 
> Bill
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: not legacy
> 
>  
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> Got my 1200 the same time there.
> 
>  
> 
> I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the street 
> from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at last week’s 
> meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only 4 vendors 
> signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are mandated again 
> regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running Sportsman Show near me 
> in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as a result.
> 
>  
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Richmond
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: not legacy
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly ritual 
> until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900 back in 
> 2004. I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.
> 
>  
> 
> Jeff from Connecticut
> 
>  
> 
> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live long 
> enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a living 
> woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
> 
>  
> 
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths 
> with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking 
> Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I always 
> see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I would have to 
> believe the Show will go dark again.
> 
>  
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
> To: LOM Group
> Subject: Re: not legacy
> 
>  
> 
> Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said. 
> 
> I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for the 
> insight on that.
> 
> Like for me I would not be the least interested in it. 
> 
> If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I follow 
> them some. 
> 
> Thanks again Michael.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> 
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 
> 14171 160th Ave.
> 
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
>  
> 
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:41 AM Michael Kratky  wrote:
> 
> Timothy,
> 
>  
> 
> I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited 
> about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of 
> difference.
> 
> I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.
> 
>  
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent:

Re: not legacy

[M.W.Foscue]

There are videos out there where they are doing M&Ts on pieces that come 
together at an angle - and maybe even at compound angles.  You never know how 
easy or difficult that is/can be until you get your own and do it yourself from 
start to finish.  Just like so many folks experienced with the LOMs they bought 
at TWWS.  That's probably why you see so many being sold that were hardly or 
never used; much less those that never even got completely assembled.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 15, 2021 6:44 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: not legacy
 
Yeah I asked him about chair parts with curves and it sounds like that might be 
a challenge.Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:42 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
Tim,
 
You need to get him to demo the S.O. making mortises and matching tenons!
Impressive!
 
Cheers!
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:14 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: not legacy
 
Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the 
"Shaper Origin"at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie 
Johnson.Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this 
month's current issue and you will see him
in there with his article on it. 
Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure but 
to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to compensate for the 
operator's errors. It truly does
what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking 
outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if 
it 3D carves but I'll ask him.
Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure. 
I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell







On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to work in 
2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff like that but 
not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would not work a shame 
I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just a thought.
 
Bill 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)  On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: RE: not legacy


 
Timothy,
 
I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited 
about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of 
difference.
I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.
 
Michael
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: not legacy

 
Hey Michael,
 

Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke highly 
of them. I think
he did a demo a CMWWA group too. 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell




 



 
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky  wrote:

Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like for 
floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and they’ll 
notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent and mostly in 
the middle of the day.  
 
Michael
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)] On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: RE: not legacy


 
https://www.shapertools.com/en-us/origin/overview
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)  On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au (mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)
Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2021 8:46 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)
Subject: not legacy


 
This is not legacy but cool I have not seen this before amazing
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPtXyhY3jE&ab_channel=WoodworkersJournal
 
Bill
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Re: Shaper Origin

[M.W.Foscue]

They were working on it - but realized that they'd only be able to sell it to 
the likes of a "Paul Bunyan"-size customer and that it would have to be 
connected to a Diesel generator the size of "Babe" to power it!
I think they have since reconsidered the whole idea and will most likely 
relegate it to the wood pile. LoL!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 15, 2021 6:51 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Shaper Origin
 
Do the have a larger version for timber frame joinery? 
That may get my attention.

Jeff from Connecticut

On Dec 15, 2021, at 6:46 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:


Yeah and it looks like Rockler is a strong supporter of them. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:18 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
The other day they had a "Special" going - where they throw in extra tracking 
tape (the white tape that looks like it has dominos - the game pieces - on it).
They also have a "Workstation" that they sometimes throw in.  I think they were 
including a year or two of customer tech support.  If you want one - and aren't 
in a hurry, get on their mailing list - they'll send you promos every ~6 weeks. 
 In the meantime, when they send you invites to the weekly "training/demos", 
jump on them.  Good info if you are in the market for one.
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:28 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: not legacy
 
yup pretty close on that price Rollie said about $3000Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:33 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
I looked through the information more and it appears to start around $2600 and 
goes up from there. The mobility is interesting 🤔 but I am usually not on the 
go to need that for my small projects. 
Thanks for sharing.

Jeff from Connecticut

On Dec 14, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:


Hey Jeff, 
I'll see if Michael answers that as I have not been following the product to 
close. 
Yes Festool builds a great tool, I have several but Makita is sliding in there 
right now too. 
I have as much that color as the Festool. But Milwaukee still dominates in the 
drills, drivers etc...
 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
Nice demo, how much do these things go for? 
If FesTool is part of it, I assume it’s costly but they do make good quality 
stuff.

Jeff from Connecticut 

On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:


Thanks Michael, Rollie is actually stopping out today at the shop so looking 
forward to hearing what he has to say about the shows too.
So what restrictions got enacted yesterday, I'm a bit out of the loop as I 
don't listen to mainstream news much or at all. 
I have not been to one of the shows in a long time. 
Used to go with the Haeg Brother's but the one has been gone for a few years 
now and his brother did not drive the cities area. 
I never did see the LOM demo in the Twin Cities area but shopsmith used to come 
that way. 
Well better hit the shop talk more later Michael. 
Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell






On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:18 AM Michael Kratky  wrote:
Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live long 
enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a living 
woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
 
Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths with 
him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking Shows” are 
on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I always see him but 
now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I would have to believe the 
Show will go dark again. 
 
Michael
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com) 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
(mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: not legacy

 
Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said. 
I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for the 
insight on that.
Like for me I would not be the least interested in it. 
If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I follow them 
some. 

Thanks again Michael.

 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell




 




 
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:41 AM Michael Kratky  wrote:

Timothy,
 
I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shape

RE: not legacy

[bulkeley]

I see just as I thought well never mind

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2021 12:39 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Hey Bill see below:

 

You are correct, it’s a fixed z axis. Live x and y (2D) doesn’t require huge 
computing power to operate at high accuracy levels. If the Origin had a live z 
axis the onboard computer wouldn’t be adequate for 3D work and it would require 
the machine to be tethered to a remote computer like every 3D CNC.

Rollie




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:48 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Thank you tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:45 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

I'll pick Rollies brain some more about it for you Biil


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:16 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Well at 30K for a cnc legacy if it could be made to do 3d carving 2.5K looks a 
lot more inviting

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 2:15 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the 
"Shaper Origin"

at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie Johnson.

Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this month's 
current issue and you will see him

in there with his article on it. 

Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure but 

to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to compensate for the 
operator's errors. It truly does

what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking 
outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if 

it 3D carves but I'll ask him.

Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure. 

I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to work in 
2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff like that but 
not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would not work a shame 
I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just a thought.

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: not legacy

 

Timothy,

 

I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited 
about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of 
difference.

I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Hey Michael,

 

Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke highly 
of them. I think

he did a demo a CMWWA group too. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like for 
floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and they’ll 
notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent and mostly in 
the middle of the day.  

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
To: legacy-ornam

RE: not legacy

[Michael Kratky]

Believe they start 1st in Baltimore then up to West Springfield, was told they 
are only dong 6 shows for 2022 their communications have always been very poor 
lucky if we get 2 weeks’ notice at the Club to prepare for the Show fortunately 
we are affiliated with Woodcraft so they provide lathes and turning accessories 
for us.

 

BTW, Jeff you mentioned timber frame joinery I’m also a sawyer and mill beams, 
I’m 3 hours from Hartford CT.

 

Michael

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Jeff,

That sounds to be almost EXACTLY like the venue in Baltimore, MD - where The 
Woodworking Shows normally start the show season.

It is held in one of the buildings used for the Maryland State Fair - in 
Timonium, MD. (north side of B'more)

We REALLY hate that the Woodworking Show seems to be floundering.  I, for one, 
am willing to pay a bit more for admission.  I feel the price for the 4 days is 
very low.  If they raised it to $18 at the door and $16 after 
coupons/discounts, I would not complain.  I don't think they have raised the 
admission price in the last 5-6 years at least!

Cheers!

Mac

  _  

  _  

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 14, 2021 8:44 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

As a quick explanation, The Big E is short for Eastern States Exposition and is 
a large country fair type event held in Springfield Massachusetts for a couple 
weeks in late September into early October each year. During the rest of the 
year, the fairgrounds are used for other types of events, including “the 
woodworking shows”. 

 

Jeff from Connecticut

 

On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

Covid sucks vaccinated or not it sucks.so being from down under I’m dumb what 
is the Big E?

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:13 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not legacy

 

Jeff,

Got my 1200 the same time there.

 

I belong to the Western Mass Woodturners; they meet right across the street 
from the Big E. We always do turning demos during the Show and at last week’s 
meeting they notified us that is on for Jan 14-16 but with only 4 vendors 
signed up so far. Across the border here in NY face masks are mandated again 
regardless of one’s vaccine status, a big long running Sportsman Show near me 
in Johnstown scheduled for February just canceled as a result.

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Richmond
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Yes, I miss attending the Woodworking Shows as well. It was a yearly ritual 
until COVID. West Springfield was where I purchased my Legacy 900 back in 2004. 
I hope to attend in January 2022 but we will see.

 

Jeff from Connecticut

 

On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Michael Kratky  wrote:

 

Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live long 
enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a living 
woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.

 

Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths with 
him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking Shows” are 
on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I always see him but 
now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I would have to believe the 
Show will go dark again. 

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said. 

I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for the 
insight on that.

Like for me I would not be the least interested in it. 

If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I follow them 
some. 

Thanks again Michael.

 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:41 AM Michael Kratky  wrote:

Timothy,

 

I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited 
about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of 
difference.

I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Hey 

Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Bill see below:

You are correct, it’s a fixed z axis. Live x and y (2D) doesn’t require
huge computing power to operate at high accuracy levels. If the Origin had
a live z axis the onboard computer wouldn’t be adequate for 3D work and it
would require the machine to be tethered to a remote computer like every 3D
CNC.

Rollie

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:48 AM  wrote:

> Thank you tim
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:45 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> I'll pick Rollies brain some more about it for you Biil
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:16 PM  wrote:
>
> Well at 30K for a cnc legacy if it could be made to do 3d carving 2.5K
> looks a lot more inviting
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 2:15 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the
> "Shaper Origin"
>
> at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie Johnson.
>
> Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this
> month's current issue and you will see him
>
> in there with his article on it.
>
> Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure
> but
>
> to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to compensate for
> the operator's errors. It truly does
>
> what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking
> outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if
>
> it 3D carves but I'll ask him.
>
> Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure.
>
> I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
>
> I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to
> work in 2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff
> like that but not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would
> not work a shame I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just
> a thought.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>
>
>
> Timothy,
>
>
>
> I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited
> about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of
> difference.
>
> I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
> *To:* LOM Group
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
>
>
> Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke
> highly of them. I think
>
> he did a demo a CMWWA group too.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky 
> wrote:
>
> Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like for
> floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and they’ll
> notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent and mostly
> in the middle of the day.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>
>
>
> https://www.shapertools.com/en-us/origin/overview
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 December 2021 8:46 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* not legacy
>
>
>
> This is not legacy but cool I have not seen this before amazing
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPtXyhY3jE&ab_channel=WoodworkersJournal
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> --
> You received this message beca

RE: not legacy

[bulkeley]

Thank you tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:45 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

I'll pick Rollies brain some more about it for you Biil


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:16 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Well at 30K for a cnc legacy if it could be made to do 3d carving 2.5K looks a 
lot more inviting

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 2:15 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the 
"Shaper Origin"

at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie Johnson.

Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this month's 
current issue and you will see him

in there with his article on it. 

Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure but 

to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to compensate for the 
operator's errors. It truly does

what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking 
outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if 

it 3D carves but I'll ask him.

Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure. 

I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to work in 
2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff like that but 
not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would not work a shame 
I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just a thought.

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Michael Kratky
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: not legacy

 

Timothy,

 

I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited 
about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of 
difference.

I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: not legacy

 

Hey Michael,

 

Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke highly 
of them. I think

he did a demo a CMWWA group too. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like for 
floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and they’ll 
notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent and mostly in 
the middle of the day.  

 

Michael

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: not legacy

 

https://www.shapertools.com/en-us/origin/overview

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2021 8:46 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: not legacy

 

This is not legacy but cool I have not seen this before amazing

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPtXyhY3jE 
 
&ab_channel=WoodworkersJournal

 

Bill

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Re: Shaper Origin

[Tim Ziegler]

Here is what Rockler carries.

https://www.rockler.com/shaper-origin-handheld-cnc-router?gclid=Cj0KCQiAweaNBhDEARIsAJ5hwbfcRk-6VWChC7rtGnG2Ee168x8KeYIjPkTMoa04HfZNJ5R7yeVweSsaAgvqEALw_wcB

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 5:51 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:

> Do the have a larger version for timber frame joinery?
>
> That may get my attention.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
> On Dec 15, 2021, at 6:46 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
> Yeah and it looks like Rockler is a strong supporter of them.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:18 AM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
>> The other day they had a "Special" going - where they throw in extra
>> tracking tape (the white tape that looks like it has dominos - the game
>> pieces - on it).
>>
>> They also have a "Workstation" that they sometimes throw in.  I think
>> they were including a year or two of customer tech support.  If you want
>> one - and aren't in a hurry, get on their mailing list - they'll send you
>> promos every ~6 weeks.  In the meantime, when they send you invites to the
>> weekly "training/demos", jump on them.  Good info if you are in the market
>> for one.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:28 PM
>> To: LOM Group 
>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>>
>>
>> yup pretty close on that price Rollie said about $3000
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:33 PM Jeff Richmond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I looked through the information more and it appears to start around
>>> $2600 and goes up from there. The mobility is interesting 🤔 but I am
>>> usually not on the go to need that for my small projects.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Jeff,
>>>
>>> I'll see if Michael answers that as I have not been following the
>>> product to close.
>>> Yes Festool builds a great tool, I have several but Makita is sliding in
>>> there right now too.
>>> I have as much that color as the Festool. But Milwaukee still dominates
>>> in the drills, drivers etc...
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jeff Richmond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice demo, how much do these things go for?

 If FesTool is part of it, I assume it’s costly but they do make good
 quality stuff.

 Jeff from Connecticut

 On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:

 Thanks Michael,
 Rollie is actually stopping out today at the shop so looking forward to
 hearing what he has to say about the shows too.
 So what restrictions got enacted yesterday, I'm a bit out of the loop
 as I don't listen to mainstream news much or at all.
 I have not been to one of the shows in a long time.
 Used to go with the Haeg Brother's but the one has been gone for a few
 years now and his brother did not drive the cities area.
 I never did see the LOM demo in the Twin Cities area but shopsmith used
 to come that way.
 Well better hit the shop talk more later Michael.

 Kind Regards,

 Timothy J. Ziegler
 Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
 14171 160th Ave.
 Foreston MN 56330

 320-294-5798 shop
 320-630-2243 cell

 On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:18 AM Michael Kratky 
 wrote:

> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t
> live long enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that
> makes a living woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
>
>
>
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed
> paths with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The
> Woodworking Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass
> where I always see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted
> yesterday I would have to believe the Show will go dark again.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
> *To:* LOM Group
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said.
>
> I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for
> 

Re: Shaper Origin

[Jeff Richmond]

Do the have a larger version for timber frame joinery?

That may get my attention.

Jeff from Connecticut

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 6:46 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeah and it looks like Rockler is a strong supporter of them. 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:18 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>> The other day they had a "Special" going - where they throw in extra 
>> tracking tape (the white tape that looks like it has dominos - the game 
>> pieces - on it).
>> They also have a "Workstation" that they sometimes throw in.  I think they 
>> were including a year or two of customer tech support.  If you want one - 
>> and aren't in a hurry, get on their mailing list - they'll send you promos 
>> every ~6 weeks.  In the meantime, when they send you invites to the weekly 
>> "training/demos", jump on them.  Good info if you are in the market for one.
>> Mac
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:28 PM
>> To: LOM Group 
>> Subject: Re: not legacy
>> 
>>  
>> yup pretty close on that price Rollie said about $3000
>> Kind Regards,
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>  
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:33 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
>>> I looked through the information more and it appears to start around $2600 
>>> and goes up from there. The mobility is interesting 🤔 but I am usually not 
>>> on the go to need that for my small projects.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Jeff,
>>>  
>>> I'll see if Michael answers that as I have not been following the product 
>>> to close. 
>>> Yes Festool builds a great tool, I have several but Makita is sliding in 
>>> there right now too. 
>>> I have as much that color as the Festool. But Milwaukee still dominates in 
>>> the drills, drivers etc...
>>>  
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>  
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>  
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>> 
 On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jeff Richmond  
 wrote:
 Nice demo, how much do these things go for?
  
 If FesTool is part of it, I assume it’s costly but they do make good 
 quality stuff.
 
 Jeff from Connecticut 
 
 On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
 
 Thanks Michael, 
 Rollie is actually stopping out today at the shop so looking forward to 
 hearing what he has to say about the shows too.
 So what restrictions got enacted yesterday, I'm a bit out of the loop as I 
 don't listen to mainstream news much or at all. 
 I have not been to one of the shows in a long time. 
 Used to go with the Haeg Brother's but the one has been gone for a few 
 years now and his brother did not drive the cities area. 
 I never did see the LOM demo in the Twin Cities area but shopsmith used to 
 come that way. 
 Well better hit the shop talk more later Michael. 
 
 Kind Regards,
  
 Timothy J. Ziegler
 Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
 14171 160th Ave.
 Foreston MN 56330
  
 320-294-5798 shop
 320-630-2243 cell
 
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:18 AM Michael Kratky  
> wrote:
> Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live 
> long enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a 
> living woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.
> 
>  
> 
> Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed paths 
> with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The Woodworking 
> Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass where I 
> always see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted yesterday I 
> would have to believe the Show will go dark again.
> 
>  
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
> To: LOM Group
> Subject: Re: not legacy
> 
>  
> 
> Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said. 
> 
> I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for the 
> insight on that.
> 
> Like for me I would not be the least interested in it. 
> 
> If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I follow 
> them some. 
> 
> Thanks again Michael.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> 
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 
> 14171 160th 

Re: Shaper Origin

[Tim Ziegler]

Yeah and it looks like Rockler is a strong supporter of them.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:18 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> The other day they had a "Special" going - where they throw in extra
> tracking tape (the white tape that looks like it has dominos - the game
> pieces - on it).
>
> They also have a "Workstation" that they sometimes throw in.  I think they
> were including a year or two of customer tech support.  If you want one -
> and aren't in a hurry, get on their mailing list - they'll send you promos
> every ~6 weeks.  In the meantime, when they send you invites to the weekly
> "training/demos", jump on them.  Good info if you are in the market for one.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:28 PM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>
>
> yup pretty close on that price Rollie said about $3000
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:33 PM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
>> I looked through the information more and it appears to start around
>> $2600 and goes up from there. The mobility is interesting 🤔 but I am
>> usually not on the go to need that for my small projects.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jeff,
>>
>> I'll see if Michael answers that as I have not been following the product
>> to close.
>> Yes Festool builds a great tool, I have several but Makita is sliding in
>> there right now too.
>> I have as much that color as the Festool. But Milwaukee still dominates
>> in the drills, drivers etc...
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jeff Richmond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice demo, how much do these things go for?
>>>
>>> If FesTool is part of it, I assume it’s costly but they do make good
>>> quality stuff.
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Michael,
>>> Rollie is actually stopping out today at the shop so looking forward to
>>> hearing what he has to say about the shows too.
>>> So what restrictions got enacted yesterday, I'm a bit out of the loop as
>>> I don't listen to mainstream news much or at all.
>>> I have not been to one of the shows in a long time.
>>> Used to go with the Haeg Brother's but the one has been gone for a few
>>> years now and his brother did not drive the cities area.
>>> I never did see the LOM demo in the Twin Cities area but shopsmith used
>>> to come that way.
>>> Well better hit the shop talk more later Michael.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:18 AM Michael Kratky 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Same here Tim, although Legacy’s CNC is very impressive I wouldn’t live
 long enough to pay it off and I know of no one in the region that makes a
 living woodworking to partner up all, they are all crafters.



 Rollie is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge but haven’t crossed
 paths with him in some time due all the Shows being shut down. “The
 Woodworking Shows” are on the books in January for West Springfield Mass
 where I always see him but now with new COVID restrictions enacted
 yesterday I would have to believe the Show will go dark again.



 Michael



 *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:00 AM
 *To:* LOM Group
 *Subject:* Re: not legacy



 Oh gotcha, I guess I don't know anymore about it then what he'd said.

 I did not know Festool bought out the idea or acquired it. Thanks for
 the insight on that.

 Like for me I would not be the least interested in it.

 If I get a CNC someday I'm certain it will be Legacy's machines. I
 follow them some.

 Thanks again Michael.




 Kind Regards,



 Timothy J. Ziegler

 Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

 14171 160th Ave.

 Foreston MN 56330



 320-294-5798 shop

 320-630-2243 cell





 On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 7:41 AM Michael Kratky 
 wrote:

 Timothy,



 I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and
 excited about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came abou

Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

I'll pick Rollies brain some more about it for you Biil
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:16 PM  wrote:

> Well at 30K for a cnc legacy if it could be made to do 3d carving 2.5K
> looks a lot more inviting
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 2:15 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the
> "Shaper Origin"
>
> at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie Johnson.
>
> Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this
> month's current issue and you will see him
>
> in there with his article on it.
>
> Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure
> but
>
> to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to compensate for
> the operator's errors. It truly does
>
> what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking
> outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if
>
> it 3D carves but I'll ask him.
>
> Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure.
>
> I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
>
> I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to
> work in 2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff
> like that but not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would
> not work a shame I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just
> a thought.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>
>
>
> Timothy,
>
>
>
> I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and excited
> about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a lot of
> difference.
>
> I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
> *To:* LOM Group
> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
>
>
> Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke
> highly of them. I think
>
> he did a demo a CMWWA group too.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky 
> wrote:
>
> Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like for
> floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and they’ll
> notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent and mostly
> in the middle of the day.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>
>
>
> https://www.shapertools.com/en-us/origin/overview
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 December 2021 8:46 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* not legacy
>
>
>
> This is not legacy but cool I have not seen this before amazing
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPtXyhY3jE&ab_channel=WoodworkersJournal
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: not legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Yeah I asked him about chair parts with curves and it sounds like that
might be a challenge.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:42 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tim,
>
>
>
> You need to get him to demo the S.O. making mortises and matching tenons!
>
> Impressive!
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 14, 2021 10:14 PM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Re: not legacy
>
>
> Well as Ironic as it sounds I had a live demo here of none other than the
> "Shaper Origin"
> at my shop by none other than my Friend Rollie Johnson.
> Contributing Editor of fine WoodWorking Magazine. Actually look up this
> month's current issue and you will see him
> in there with his article on it.
> Yes it does have X-Y, & Z movement. It was very impressive for sure
> but
> to you run it free hand but the excesses move up to 1 in to compensate for
> the operator's errors. It truly does
> what they say it does.  Yeah Bill still a great thought and good thinking
> outside the box.  So I'm not sure still if
> it 3D carves but I'll ask him.
> Pretty hefty price tag on it but it's going to be the future I'm sure.
> I am not saying it's foolproof but seeing is believing right.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
>
>> I looked a lot closer at the Shaper Origin nice tool but only seems to
>> work in 2 dimensions so wonderful tool for sign making, inlay and stuff
>> like that but not 3d milling as a cnc mill can do so on our legacy it would
>> not work a shame I thought I was onto something here never mind it was just
>> a thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Michael Kratky
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:41 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy,
>>
>>
>>
>> I followed Rollie some time ago playing with the Shaper Origin and
>> excited about it but he didn’t disclosed how he came about it which makes a
>> lot of difference.
>>
>> I know Festool took it over some time ago which explains a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
>> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 8:42 PM
>> *To:* LOM Group
>> *Subject:* Re: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Michael,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rollie Johnson did a test for them not sure if he keep it but sure spoke
>> highly of them. I think
>>
>> he did a demo a CMWWA group too.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 PM Michael Kratky 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have been following them the last 3 years, seems ideal for inlays like
>> for floors or table tops, on their site you can register your email and
>> they’ll notify when they do zoom demonstrations which are quite frequent
>> and mostly in the middle of the day.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 4:49 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.shapertools.com/en-us/origin/overview
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 December 2021 8:46 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* not legacy
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not legacy but cool I have not seen this before amazing
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPtXyhY3jE&ab_channel=WoodworkersJournal
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
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