to cold today

2022-05-05 Thread bulkeley 
A bit cold in the shop for me to day so I'm having the day off

But not for my pets a bit of cat hide and seek lol

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7b9VVRGXk8

&ab_channel=aussiman77181

 

Bill

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RE: Brett Giger's recent work

2022-05-05 Thread bulkeley 
Great anything you want to add to it let me know 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2022 2:43 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brett Giger's recent work

 

Yes that is correct

 

On Thu, May 5, 2022, 4:20 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

 

Ok Brett how do you feel about this Is this more or less right ?

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2022 1:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Brett Giger's recent work

 

4 starts on all of those,2 of them i started with a half round bit,then the 
straight bit,and then the up cut spiral bit ,theres a lot less vibration

 

On Thu, May 5, 2022, 7:06 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Ok here is some parts of some of legacys videos showing how to mill a hollow 
spiral https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0

 

And here is one of my videos showing how to do the other type of hollow spiral 
with a hole already in the centre of the work and even removing some spirals to 
open the spiral right up, it’s a very long video just skip or fast forward if 
it gets boring I don’t edit or speed up the procedure I feel people need to see 
just how long these things take to do 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un6UBaAo718 
 
&t=1852s&ab_channel=aussiman77181

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2022 2:21 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: Brett Giger's recent work

 

Usually you use a strait bit in the bottom of the spiral and hollow spirals are 
usually barley router bits

And the strait bit is usually about as wide as bottom part of the spiral this 
is opsional there is no set rule

Another way is to do this  and join the halves together and mill the spiral 
then hollow it

 

There is some info on both these methods I will see if I can find it later 
right now I have to go talk later

 

Bill

 

From: 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2022 1:16 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Brett Giger's recent work

 

I got that , thanks Bill. It’s easier to keep it simple using a shaper type bit 
with a certain diameter. So the hollow spiral you drop a 1/2” bit between the 1 
1/2” rope twist spirals, ( loosing a 1/4” each side) and leaving 1” of material 
making the hollow twist. Just trying to figure this without using a shaper type 
bit….. seems the center of the gap usimf a 1/2” straight bit would be 
considered the same as the center of the rope twist bit which gets removed in 
the hollowing out process.  Those Gieger twist pieces look to be 3 start, but 
possibly 4. Definitely interesting looking pieces of wood! Thanks, David 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 4, 2022, at 9:53 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



To keep it simple the number of starts increases the pitch by the dia of the 
cutter

 

So a barly or rope single start spiral with a say a 2 inch wide bit

 

You would have 2inch bit, 2inch pitch , 2 inch dia work

A 2 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 4 inch pitch

A 3 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 6 inch pitch

A 4 start  you would have a 2inch bit but a 8 inch pitch

 

And so on  for each start after you finish the first start you disengage the 
leadscrew nut and slide the saddle along 2inches and reengage the leadscrew nut 
and commence to mill the second start and repeat if you have more starts. The 
dia of the work can vary but the relationship between the router bit , the 
number of starts and the pitch generally has to stay to maintain a even pitch 
without gaps or overlaps.

My triple spiral part 3 video shows this process 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs 
 
&t=444s&ab_channel=aussiman77181 and how I do it. Others use a different method 
all work ok.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

From: 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2022 12:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Brett Giger's recent work

 

They look awesome! I’d be curious as to how to

RE: REVO mill

2022-05-05 Thread bulkeley 
Its the Dust Shield Mounting Bracket for the router table I don’t know where it 
goes as mine never came with one

So for once I don’t know there is nothing in the revo manual I can see accept 
what it is, nothing on where it goes only that its part of the router table 
sorry I cant be of more help.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2022 12:16 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: REVO mill

 

Hello all,

Recently joined because I reached a milestone I've been drifting towards for 
decades, ever since I heard about Legacy Ornamental Mills.  Finally one within 
reach came up and it is a very nice and complete as originally shipped REVO 
mill. I've finished setting it up in my crowded shop and have made a couple 
accoutrements that I deemed desirable. 

 

I added a small extension to the lead screw on the right so I can put the crank 
at that end.  Now retired after 60 plus years of woodworking, I tinker with 
mostly small stuff, so I have set this one up with 3 workstations across the 
front, spindles on left, work table in middle and vertical vise on right.  
Working the vertical vise on right gave rise to the need for crank in the 
vicinity.  Also made a template follower matching the original except with 
interchangeable screw in pilots.  

 

There came with the used machine a bracket of unknown use.  It was in a package 
labeled "dust and table hardware".  Does anyone know how this is used?

 

Happy to be part of this group.  Thank you for letting me join.

DanK 

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New member with an IRT-33P

2022-05-05 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

I bought a woodchuck model IRT-33P on ebay. The manual is useless and there are 
no photos. Does anyone in the group have this model and would they be willing 
to help me with questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thank you 
Robert Seliger 
THE HISTORY PAGE.https://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html  

Hello Robert.I have only see a few photos of this machine.  It is the very 
First OM Legacy/Phantom made.
It is limited to what it can do, But I'm sure with a little help from our 
members we should be able to help you make the best out of what you have.If you 
don't mind, Please try send us some photo's of what you have,  The IRT was sold 
as a kit, and there were a number of up-grades they made for this machine. 
depending on what you own. 
Looking forward to seeing more.
Have a good night.
C.A.G. 

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RE: Perfect Wooden Threads

2022-05-05 Thread bulkeley 
Lol thanks dan one of my favourite movies too I use to go fishing in lots of 
the places it was filmed

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2022 11:48 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Perfect Wooden Threads

 

My favorite movie...!   Got it right off, mate, even before I realized you were 
from down under. 

DanK

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 8:23:45 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

You all did realise it was this I was getting at right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rne8pOxGuwM 
 
&ab_channel=ZahhMan

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 22 April 2022 8:55 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Perfect Wooden Threads

 

No problem Bill




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:28 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Sorry for the pun guys couldn’t resist being from Australia and all lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of bulk...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Friday, 22 April 2022 2:15 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Perfect Wooden Threads

 

Nut and bolt ?   

  that’s not a nut and bolt ha ha

 

That’s a nut and bolt   

 

  lol

 

But that soaking idea is a good idea for milling cutter chipping too

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 22 April 2022 1:15 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Perfect Wooden Threads

 

Interesting but I think we should show him how it's done LOM style. 

I do like his idea of soaking the wood, 

Bill you should have a contest with him lol.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbY6El9Pzcs




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

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Re: Brett Giger's recent work

2022-05-05 Thread Brett Giger 
Yes that is correct

On Thu, May 5, 2022, 4:20 PM  wrote:

>
>
> Ok Brett how do you feel about this Is this more or less right ?
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brett Giger
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 May 2022 1:47 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Brett Giger's recent work
>
>
>
> 4 starts on all of those,2 of them i started with a half round bit,then
> the straight bit,and then the up cut spiral bit ,theres a lot less vibration
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022, 7:06 AM  wrote:
>
> Ok here is some parts of some of legacys videos showing how to mill a
> hollow spiral
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0
>
>
>
> And here is one of my videos showing how to do the other type of hollow
> spiral with a hole already in the centre of the work and even removing some
> spirals to open the spiral right up, it’s a very long video just skip or
> fast forward if it gets boring I don’t edit or speed up the procedure I
> feel people need to see just how long these things take to do
>
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un6UBaAo718&t=1852s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 May 2022 2:21 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Brett Giger's recent work
>
>
>
> Usually you use a strait bit in the bottom of the spiral and hollow
> spirals are usually barley router bits
>
> And the strait bit is usually about as wide as bottom part of the spiral
> this is opsional there is no set rule
>
> Another way is to do this  and join the halves together and mill the
> spiral then hollow it
>
>
>
> There is some info on both these methods I will see if I can find it later
> right now I have to go talk later
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 May 2022 1:16 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Brett Giger's recent work
>
>
>
> I got that , thanks Bill. It’s easier to keep it simple using a shaper
> type bit with a certain diameter. So the hollow spiral you drop a 1/2” bit
> between the 1 1/2” rope twist spirals, ( loosing a 1/4” each side) and
> leaving 1” of material making the hollow twist. Just trying to figure this
> without using a shaper type bit….. seems the center of the gap usimf a 1/2”
> straight bit would be considered the same as the center of the rope twist
> bit which gets removed in the hollowing out process.  Those Gieger twist
> pieces look to be 3 start, but possibly 4. Definitely interesting looking
> pieces of wood! Thanks, David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 4, 2022, at 9:53 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> To keep it simple the number of starts increases the pitch by the dia of
> the cutter
>
>
>
> So a barly or rope single start spiral with a say a 2 inch wide bit
>
>
>
> You would have 2inch bit, 2inch pitch , 2 inch dia work
>
> A 2 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 4 inch pitch
>
> A 3 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 6 inch pitch
>
> A 4 start  you would have a 2inch bit but a 8 inch pitch
>
>
>
> And so on  for each start after you finish the first start you disengage
> the leadscrew nut and slide the saddle along 2inches and reengage the
> leadscrew nut and commence to mill the second start and repeat if you have
> more starts. The dia of the work can vary but the relationship between the
> router bit , the number of starts and the pitch generally has to stay to
> maintain a even pitch without gaps or overlaps.
>
> My triple spiral part 3 video shows this process
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs&t=444s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
> and how I do it. Others use a different method all work ok.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 May 2022 12:05 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Brett Giger's recent work
>
>
>
> They look awesome! I’d be curious as to how to figure the
> start/pitch/diameter formula. The manual gives some easy calculations for
> the rope/barley twist spirals, and how diameter and starts affects the pit.
> I’m guessing if you are using a 1/2” bit, and taking away 1/2” on each side
> of the material you want to leave, we’ll say 1/2” for example, that would
> total 1 1/2”’s and a 3 start would require the 4.5” pitch gear? So
> everything is even top and bottom?  Or if you left 1” of material would
> make it 2”, or the 6” pitch gear for a 3 start…… the Geiger Spiral, really
> liking the looks of these!
>
>
>
> Thanks for posting these, David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2022, at 5:59 AM, Tim Ziegler  wro

Re: Extra Rotary Table

2022-05-05 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Hello Dan
That table was made for the Legacy 1000-1800. It's a bit larger then the Revo 
Rotary table. but I do think you could make it work?I would think if you made a 
shelf of sorts, to support it under your machine,   I would think you then 
could turn something like 8" or 9" of the original 10" turning surface.
Bill or Tim both have Revo units, I am sure they both will be chiming in on 
this one, tomorrow (or that is latter today.)
Dan I have up-graded you to full member of the LOM users group.  You will have 
full access to the group and posting now.  Im sorry for the delay on these 
postings, but the system will not let me grant you access until you have posted 
a few times to the group.  I do not get home from work until 12pm. and just saw 
your three postings.  From  this point on, Please feel free to post as much as 
you want/can. 
The Legacy (LOM) is a very good machine, No, its not the best of "All" 
machines, But it can offer its user, a hole new world of possibility's.But the 
REAL DEAL is the people of this group who can help you make it really 
extraordinary. Letting you make one of a kind projects, that other wood workers 
just can not do.
So again I Welcome you to the GANG."Let the Good times roll". ;-)
C.A.G.
On Friday, May 6, 2022, 12:07:58 AM EDT, Dan Krager  
wrote:  
 
 I could be interested in a rotary table if it will work with a REVO legacy 
mill.  I don't see how, but I'm inexperienced w these machines.DanK

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:53:36 PM UTC-5 smith...@gmail.com wrote:

Folks,Seeing Curt's home-made rotary table reminded me that I have 2 of them.  
I purchased two LOMs (1000 and 1200 I think) and tried to put them together to 
use the best of each.  I've got a Frankenstein machine that I haven't done much 
with yet (too many other projects), but I do have 2 rotary tables and only need 
one.  I don't think either has ever been used, or at least not much.  Does 
anyone have an idea how much I could sell one for?ChrisSacramento, California


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Re: Extra Rotary Table

2022-05-05 Thread Dan Krager 
I could be interested in a rotary table if it will work with a REVO legacy 
mill.  I don't see how, but I'm inexperienced w these machines.
DanK

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:53:36 PM UTC-5 smith...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks,
> Seeing Curt's home-made rotary table reminded me that I have 2 of them.  I 
> purchased two LOMs (1000 and 1200 I think) and tried to put them together 
> to use the best of each.  I've got a Frankenstein machine that I haven't 
> done much with yet (too many other projects), but I do have 2 rotary tables 
> and only need one.  I don't think either has ever been used, or at least 
> not much.  Does anyone have an idea how much I could sell one for?
> Chris
> Sacramento, California[image: Rotary Table.jpg]
>

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Re: Perfect Wooden Threads

2022-05-05 Thread Dan Krager 
My favorite movie...!   Got it right off, mate, even before I realized you 
were from down under. 
DanK

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 8:23:45 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> You all did realise it was this I was getting at right
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rne8pOxGuwM&ab_channel=ZahhMan
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 8:55 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> No problem Bill
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:28 PM  wrote:
>
> Sorry for the pun guys couldn’t resist being from Australia and all lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 2:15 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Nut and bolt ?  that’s not a nut and bolt ha ha
>
>  
>
> That’s a nut and boltlol
>
>  
>
> But that soaking idea is a good idea for milling cutter chipping too
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 1:15 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Interesting but I think we should show him how it's done LOM style. 
>
> I do like his idea of soaking the wood, 
>
> Bill you should have a contest with him lol.
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbY6El9Pzcs
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
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2022-05-05 Thread bulkeley 
There are a few woodchuck owners in the group ask away someone will help

 

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I bought a woodchuck model IRT-33P on ebay. The manual is useless and there are 
no photos. Does anyone in the group have this model and would they be willing 
to help me with questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you Robert Seliger 

 

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Brett Giger mailto:brettgiger1...@gmail.com> >: May 
04 11:36AM -0700 

Thanks man,been down for the count,starting to come around slowly,my lady
got pissed at me for sneakin down tryin to make a couple passes on my
legacy lol
 


Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> >: May 04 
05:13PM -0500 

Sounds like you have the LOM fever like the rest of us. Tell her it's good
therapy and you get well faster with the LOM method.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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They look awesome! I’d be curious as to how to figure the start/pitch/diameter 
formula. The manual gives some easy calculations for the rope/barley twist 
spirals, and how diameter and starts affects the pit. I’m guessing if you are 
using a 1/2” bit, and taking away 1/2” on each side of the material you want to 
leave, we’ll say 1/2” for example, that would total 1 1/2”’s and a 3 start 
would require the 4.5” pitch gear? So everything is even top and bottom? Or if 
you left 1” of material would make it 2”, or the 6” pitch gear for a 3 start…… 
the Geiger Spiral, really liking the looks of these! 
 
Thanks for posting these, David 
 
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mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> >: May 05 12:53PM +1000 

To keep it simple the number of starts increases the pitch by the dia of the 
cutter
 

 
So a barly or rope single start spiral with a say a 2 inch wide bit
 

 
You would have 2inch bit, 2inch pitch , 2 inch dia work
 
A 2 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 4 inch pitch
 
A 3 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 6 inch pitch
 
A 4 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 8 inch pitch
 

 
And so on for each start after you finish the first start you disengage the 
leadscrew nut and slide the saddle along 2inches and reengage the leadscrew nut 
and commence to mill the second start and repeat if you have mo

Re: Digest for legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com - 16 updates in 3 topics

2022-05-05 Thread Robert Seliger 
I bought a woodchuck model IRT-33P on ebay. The manual is useless and there
are no photos. Does anyone in the group have this model and would they be
willing to help me with questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Robert Seliger

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> Brett Giger : May 04 11:36AM -0700
>
> Thanks man,been down for the count,starting to come around slowly,my lady
> got pissed at me for sneakin down tryin to make a couple passes on my
> legacy lol
>
> Tim Ziegler : May 04 05:13PM -0500
>
> Sounds like you have the LOM fever like the rest of us. Tell her it's good
> therapy and you get well faster with the LOM method.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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> David Mann : May 04 09:05PM -0500
>
> They look awesome! I’d be curious as to how to figure the
> start/pitch/diameter formula. The manual gives some easy calculations for
> the rope/barley twist spirals, and how diameter and starts affects the pit.
> I’m guessing if you are using a 1/2” bit, and taking away 1/2” on each side
> of the material you want to leave, we’ll say 1/2” for example, that would
> total 1 1/2”’s and a 3 start would require the 4.5” pitch gear? So
> everything is even top and bottom? Or if you left 1” of material would make
> it 2”, or the 6” pitch gear for a 3 start…… the Geiger Spiral, really
> liking the looks of these!
>
> Thanks for posting these, David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> : May 05 12:53PM +1000
>
> To keep it simple the number of starts increases the pitch by the dia of
> the cutter
>
>
>
> So a barly or rope single start spiral with a say a 2 inch wide bit
>
>
>
> You would have 2inch bit, 2inch pitch , 2 inch dia work
>
> A 2 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 4 inch pitch
>
> A 3 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 6 inch pitch
>
> A 4 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 8 inch pitch
>
>
>
> And so on for each start after you finish the first start you disengage
> the leadscrew nut and slide the saddle along 2inches and reengage the
> leadscrew nut and commence to mill the second start and repeat if you have
> more starts. The dia of the work can vary but the relationship between the
> router bit , the number of starts and the pitch generally has to stay to
> maintain a even pitch without gaps or overlaps.
>
> My triple spiral part 3 video shows this process
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs&t=444s&ab_channel=aussiman77181>
> &t=444s&ab_channel=aussiman77181 and how I do it. Others use a different
> method all work ok.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2022 12:05 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brett Giger's recent work
>
>
>
> They look awesome! I’d be curious as to how to figure the
> start/pitch/diameter formula. The manual gives some easy calculations for
> the rope/barley twist spirals, and how diameter and starts affects the pit.
> I’m

Re: Brett Giger's recent work

2022-05-05 Thread Tim Ziegler 
Hey Brett thanks for staying with this subject and helping everyone
understand your process.
That goes a long way.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 10:49 AM Brett Giger 
wrote:

> 4 starts on all of those,2 of them i started with a half round bit,then
> the straight bit,and then the up cut spiral bit ,theres a lot less vibration
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022, 7:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Ok here is some parts of some of legacys videos showing how to mill a
>> hollow spiral
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0
>>
>>
>>
>> And here is one of my videos showing how to do the other type of hollow
>> spiral with a hole already in the centre of the work and even removing some
>> spirals to open the spiral right up, it’s a very long video just skip or
>> fast forward if it gets boring I don’t edit or speed up the procedure I
>> feel people need to see just how long these things take to do
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un6UBaAo718&t=1852s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 May 2022 2:21 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Brett Giger's recent work
>>
>>
>>
>> Usually you use a strait bit in the bottom of the spiral and hollow
>> spirals are usually barley router bits
>>
>> And the strait bit is usually about as wide as bottom part of the spiral
>> this is opsional there is no set rule
>>
>> Another way is to do this  and join the halves together and mill the
>> spiral then hollow it
>>
>>
>>
>> There is some info on both these methods I will see if I can find it
>> later right now I have to go talk later
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 May 2022 1:16 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Brett Giger's recent work
>>
>>
>>
>> I got that , thanks Bill. It’s easier to keep it simple using a shaper
>> type bit with a certain diameter. So the hollow spiral you drop a 1/2” bit
>> between the 1 1/2” rope twist spirals, ( loosing a 1/4” each side) and
>> leaving 1” of material making the hollow twist. Just trying to figure this
>> without using a shaper type bit….. seems the center of the gap usimf a 1/2”
>> straight bit would be considered the same as the center of the rope twist
>> bit which gets removed in the hollowing out process.  Those Gieger twist
>> pieces look to be 3 start, but possibly 4. Definitely interesting looking
>> pieces of wood! Thanks, David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2022, at 9:53 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> To keep it simple the number of starts increases the pitch by the dia of
>> the cutter
>>
>>
>>
>> So a barly or rope single start spiral with a say a 2 inch wide bit
>>
>>
>>
>> You would have 2inch bit, 2inch pitch , 2 inch dia work
>>
>> A 2 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 4 inch pitch
>>
>> A 3 start you would have a 2inch bit but a 6 inch pitch
>>
>> A 4 start  you would have a 2inch bit but a 8 inch pitch
>>
>>
>>
>> And so on  for each start after you finish the first start you disengage
>> the leadscrew nut and slide the saddle along 2inches and reengage the
>> leadscrew nut and commence to mill the second start and repeat if you have
>> more starts. The dia of the work can vary but the relationship between the
>> router bit , the number of starts and the pitch generally has to stay to
>> maintain a even pitch without gaps or overlaps.
>>
>> My triple spiral part 3 video shows this process
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs&t=444s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>> and how I do it. Others use a different method all work ok.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 May 2022 12:05 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Brett Giger's recent work
>>
>>
>>
>> They look awesome! I’d be curious as to how to figure the
>> start/pitch/diameter formula. The manual gives some easy calculations for
>> the rope/barley twist spirals, and how diameter and starts affects the pit.
>> I’m guessing if you are using a 1/2” bit, and taking away 1/2” on each side
>> of the material you want to leave, we’ll say 1/2” for example, that would
>> total 1 1/2”’s and a 3 start would require the 4.5” pitch gear? So
>> everything is even top and bottom?  Or if you left 1” of material would
>> make it 2”, or the 6” pitch gear for a 3 start…… the Geiger Spiral, really
>> liking the looks of these!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting these, David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhon