Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[Tim Ziegler]

Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making
templates. Many by hand, but in the end
most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)
>
> I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought
> others might also like to hear more on this topic.
> First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the
> past I
> made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal
> templates that I
> have both bought and made.
> The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only
> company that I
> know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there
> were more.
> I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry,
> Templates were the poor
> man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not
> just wood turning.)
>
> I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine
> details in my templates, only
> the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my
> Legacy and or turned by hand,
> this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the
> finer  look of a production
> quality, that many people today are looking for.
>
> When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This
> centerline is where I not only start to draw
> from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so
> everything works together. this is why
> every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center
> line of the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this
> center line is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
> all measurements are taken form this point.
> These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that
> I like to make today. I am limited
> to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2"
> tall (remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under
> 1/2" is the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)
> As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is
> larger then what I want to make the template too will also have to be
> modified, if I choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many
> different templates. At this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my
> shop. (I only have one photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks
> that hold some of my templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and
> plastic templates that I made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these
> templates range form stair case parts, finals, and other wood turning
> design patterns that I wanted to make over the years.
> I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and
> spindles form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my
> early days of wood working.
>
> Back to the topic.
> If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to
> be copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase
> speed in production.
> Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these
> stainless steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min.
> form start to finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to
> show how simple the designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)
>
> If you have more questions, Please let me know.
> Have a good night everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George <
> curt.geo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.
> I normally stay small, but Large is So very cool!
> Those are great photo's.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:01:07 PM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
> With my wav I can even make waves like these I love it best mod so many
> variations it can do
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:49 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>
>
> The wav attachment best mod we ever came up with
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:08 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>
>
> Hey Mac
>
>
>
> Yes you are right Stainless Steel is not easy to work with. using most
> hand tools.
>
> But with a ha

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Good morning Tim.
"Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  . 
(Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p
Have a great day.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making 
templates. Many by hand, but in the endmost were drawn in AutoCad then cut out 
on a small CNC template machine. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)
I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought others might 
also like to hear more on this topic.First off, the ones that I am making today 
are stainless steel, but in the past I made and used many other materials, I 
have wood, plastic, and metal templates that I have both bought and made.The 
bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only company 
that I know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past 
there were more.I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the 
industry, Templates were the poor man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many 
woodworkers (in all fields not just wood turning.) 
I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine details 
in my templates, only the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose 
to add with my Legacy and or turned by hand,this give my work a homemade/custom 
quality , but also lets me have the finer  look of a productionquality, that 
many people today are looking for.
When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This centerline 
is where I not only start to draw from, but its also this line is were I align 
my templates and machines so everything works together. this is whyevery 
template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center line of the 
part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this center line is 
the center points of the tailstock and headstock.all measurements are taken 
form this point.These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning 
handles that I like to make today. I am limitedto the measurement of the handle 
I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2" tall (remember the spindles are 
originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under 1/2" is the dia. will be my max, 
size for my cuts.)As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the 
spindle is larger then what I want to make the template too will also have to 
be modified, if I choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many 
different templates. At this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my 
shop. (I only have one photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks that 
hold some of my templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and plastic 
templates that I made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these templates 
range form stair case parts, finals, and other wood turning design patterns 
that I wanted to make over the years.I have a rack in the rafters of my shop 
which has many table legs and spindles form side jobs. fully made parts that I 
used as templates in my early days of wood working.
Back to the topic. If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, 
that have to be copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to 
increase speed in production.Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates 
when needed. these stainless steel templates that I have shown. only take me 
appx. 20 min. form start to finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates 
are to show how simple the designs can be, as well as the size of these 
templates.)
If you have more questions, Please let me know.Have a good night everyone.
C.A.G.
On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George 
 wrote:  
 
  I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.  I normally stay small, but Large is 
So very cool! Those are great photo's.
C.A.G.
On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:01:07 PM EST,  
wrote:  
 
 
With my wav I can even make waves like these I love it best mod so many 
variations it can do

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:49 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

  

The wav attachment best mod we ever came up with

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:08 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

  

Hey Mac

  

Yes you are right Stainless Steel is not easy to work with. using most hand 
tools.

But with a hand angle grinder and an abrasive wheel, Plus a pedestal grinder 
with 

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[Rick Hutley]

These look very substantial and long-lasting Curt. I wonder if it would be 
worthwhile cutting them out of ¼” acrylic sheet on a laser engraver. It if is, 
it would be a fast and easy way to duplicate them when they wear out or someone 
else needs one (and a lot lighter, and hence cheaper, to post).

Also, anyone with any graphics skills (eg. Using Illustrator) could create 
their own template designs – or perhaps take a contour off of an existing piece 
they are trying to replace/replicate (maybe using one of those contour 
measuring things from Homedepot etc.)

Rick

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Date: Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:32 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
Hello and Good morning again everyone.
I stated the Pen State was the only company that still makes templates.
This is true, but I also wanted everyone to know there templates are a bit 
different then the
ones that I make.  here are some photo's of there templates modified to work 
with my set-up.
As you can see there templates are much smaller then what I make, In these 
photos, I tac wielded there
templates onto a piece of metal So I can hold these templates with my 
set-up/tool holders. There templates
are nice, but they may need some modifications if you want to use them.(same 
but different.)  ;-)
NOTE: the white template in the mid, of the second photo is one that I made/ 
point of reference.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 09:21:33 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:


Good morning Tim.

"Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  . 
(Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p

Have a great day.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:


Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making 
templates. Many by hand, but in the end
most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:
Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)

I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought
others might also like to hear more on this topic.
First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the past 
I
made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal templates 
that I
have both bought and made.
The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only company 
that I
know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there were 
more.
I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry, 
Templates were the poor
man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not just 
wood turning.)

I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine details 
in my templates, only
the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my Legacy 
and or turned by hand,
this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the finer  
look of a production
quality, that many people today are looking for.

When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This centerline 
is where I not only start to draw
from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so 
everything works together. this is why
every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center line of 
the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this center line 
is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
all measurements are taken form this point.
These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that I 
like to make today. I am limited
to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2" tall 
(remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under 1/2" is 
the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)
As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is larger 
then what I want to make the template too will also have to be modified, if I 
choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many different templates. At 
this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my shop. (I only have one 
photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks that hold some of my 
templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and plastic templates that I 
made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these templates range form stair case 
parts, finals, and other wood turning design patterns that I wanted to make 
over the years.
I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and spindles 
form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as tem

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[Ed Trevillian]

Thank you Curt !
Ed Trevillian

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 12:55 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)
>
> I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought
> others might also like to hear more on this topic.
> First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the
> past I
> made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal
> templates that I
> have both bought and made.
> The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only
> company that I
> know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there
> were more.
> I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry,
> Templates were the poor
> man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not
> just wood turning.)
>
> I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine
> details in my templates, only
> the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my
> Legacy and or turned by hand,
> this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the
> finer  look of a production
> quality, that many people today are looking for.
>
> When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This
> centerline is where I not only start to draw
> from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so
> everything works together. this is why
> every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center
> line of the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this
> center line is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
> all measurements are taken form this point.
> These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that
> I like to make today. I am limited
> to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2"
> tall (remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under
> 1/2" is the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)
> As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is
> larger then what I want to make the template too will also have to be
> modified, if I choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many
> different templates. At this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my
> shop. (I only have one photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks
> that hold some of my templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and
> plastic templates that I made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these
> templates range form stair case parts, finals, and other wood turning
> design patterns that I wanted to make over the years.
> I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and
> spindles form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my
> early days of wood working.
>
> Back to the topic.
> If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to
> be copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase
> speed in production.
> Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these
> stainless steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min.
> form start to finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to
> show how simple the designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)
>
> If you have more questions, Please let me know.
> Have a good night everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George <
> curt.geo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.
> I normally stay small, but Large is So very cool!
> Those are great photo's.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:01:07 PM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
> With my wav I can even make waves like these I love it best mod so many
> variations it can do
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:49 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>
>
> The wav attachment best mod we ever came up with
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:08 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>
>
> Hey Mac
>
>
>
> Yes you are right Stainless Steel is not easy to work with. using most
> hand tools.
>
> But with a hand angle grinder and an abrasive wheel, Plus a pedestal
> grinder with both a grinding wheel and wire brush and a few files.(for fine
> detail work.) working with these scrap steel pieces was not all that hard
> to do. Each template took something like 20 min. to make.(+/-)
>
> As I start getting more use to do thi

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[Ken and Diana]

 Thanks for sharing with us about the templates.
Nice work Curt.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 3:38 PM Ed Trevillian  wrote:

> Thank you Curt !
> Ed Trevillian
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 12:55 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)
>>
>> I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought
>> others might also like to hear more on this topic.
>> First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in
>> the past I
>> made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal
>> templates that I
>> have both bought and made.
>> The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only
>> company that I
>> know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past
>> there were more.
>> I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry,
>> Templates were the poor
>> man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields
>> not just wood turning.)
>>
>> I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine
>> details in my templates, only
>> the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my
>> Legacy and or turned by hand,
>> this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the
>> finer  look of a production
>> quality, that many people today are looking for.
>>
>> When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This
>> centerline is where I not only start to draw
>> from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so
>> everything works together. this is why
>> every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center
>> line of the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this
>> center line is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
>> all measurements are taken form this point.
>> These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that
>> I like to make today. I am limited
>> to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2"
>> tall (remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under
>> 1/2" is the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)
>> As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is
>> larger then what I want to make the template too will also have to be
>> modified, if I choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many
>> different templates. At this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my
>> shop. (I only have one photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks
>> that hold some of my templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and
>> plastic templates that I made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these
>> templates range form stair case parts, finals, and other wood turning
>> design patterns that I wanted to make over the years.
>> I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and
>> spindles form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my
>> early days of wood working.
>>
>> Back to the topic.
>> If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to
>> be copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase
>> speed in production.
>> Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these
>> stainless steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min.
>> form start to finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to
>> show how simple the designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)
>>
>> If you have more questions, Please let me know.
>> Have a good night everyone.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George <
>> curt.geo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.
>> I normally stay small, but Large is So very cool!
>> Those are great photo's.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:01:07 PM EST, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> With my wav I can even make waves like these I love it best mod so many
>> variations it can do
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:49 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>>
>>
>>
>> The wav attachment best mod we ever came up with
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:08 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Mac
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes you are right Stainless Steel is not easy to work with. using most
>> hand tools.
>>
>> But with a hand angle grinder and an abrasive wheel, Plus a pedestal
>> grin

RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

Cardboard Assisted  really I never knew that lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:21 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Good morning Tim.

 

"Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  . 
(Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p

 

Have a great day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making 
templates. Many by hand, but in the end

most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)

 

I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought 

others might also like to hear more on this topic.

First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the past 
I 

made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal templates 
that I 

have both bought and made.

The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only company 
that I 

know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there were 
more.

I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry, 
Templates were the poor 

man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not just 
wood turning.) 

 

I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine details 
in my templates, only 

the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my Legacy 
and or turned by hand,

this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the finer  
look of a production

quality, that many people today are looking for.

 

When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This centerline 
is where I not only start to draw 

from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so 
everything works together. this is why

every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center line of 
the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this center line 
is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.

all measurements are taken form this point.

These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that I 
like to make today. I am limited

to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2" tall 
(remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under 1/2" is 
the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)

As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is larger 
then what I want to make the template too will also have to be modified, if I 
choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many different templates. At 
this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my shop. (I only have one 
photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks that hold some of my 
templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and plastic templates that I 
made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these templates range form stair case 
parts, finals, and other wood turning design patterns that I wanted to make 
over the years.

I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and spindles 
form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my early days of 
wood working.

 

Back to the topic. 

If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to be 
copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase speed in 
production.

Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these stainless 
steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min. form start to 
finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to show how simple the 
designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)

 

If you have more questions, Please let me know.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.  

I normally stay small, but Large is So very cool! 

Those are great photo's.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:01:07 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

With my wav I can even make waves like these I love it best mod so many 
variations it can do

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[Tim Ziegler]

Not sure what happened there but I sure should spell checked sorry thats
what happens at 5:00 in the morning lol.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 3:45 PM  wrote:

> Cardboard Assisted  really I never knew that lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2024 1:21 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>
>
> Good morning Tim.
>
>
>
> "Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  .
> (Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p
>
>
>
> Have a great day.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making
> templates. Many by hand, but in the end
>
> most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
> Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)
>
>
>
> I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought
>
> others might also like to hear more on this topic.
>
> First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the
> past I
>
> made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal
> templates that I
>
> have both bought and made.
>
> The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only
> company that I
>
> know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there
> were more.
>
> I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry,
> Templates were the poor
>
> man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not
> just wood turning.)
>
>
>
> I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine
> details in my templates, only
>
> the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my
> Legacy and or turned by hand,
>
> this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the
> finer  look of a production
>
> quality, that many people today are looking for.
>
>
>
> When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This
> centerline is where I not only start to draw
>
> from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so
> everything works together. this is why
>
> every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center
> line of the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this
> center line is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
>
> all measurements are taken form this point.
>
> These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that
> I like to make today. I am limited
>
> to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2"
> tall (remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under
> 1/2" is the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)
>
> As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is
> larger then what I want to make the template too will also have to be
> modified, if I choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many
> different templates. At this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my
> shop. (I only have one photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks
> that hold some of my templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and
> plastic templates that I made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these
> templates range form stair case parts, finals, and other wood turning
> design patterns that I wanted to make over the years.
>
> I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and
> spindles form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my
> early days of wood working.
>
>
>
> Back to the topic.
>
> If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to
> be copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase
> speed in production.
>
> Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these
> stainless steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min.
> form start to finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to
> show how simple the designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)
>
>
>
> If you have more questions, Please let me know.
>
> Have a good night everyone.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George <
> curt.geo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I 

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[Tim Ziegler]

wow i thought that was my mistake. guess not. whew.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 3:45 PM  wrote:

> Cardboard Assisted  really I never knew that lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2024 1:21 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
>
>
>
> Good morning Tim.
>
>
>
> "Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  .
> (Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p
>
>
>
> Have a great day.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making
> templates. Many by hand, but in the end
>
> most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
> Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)
>
>
>
> I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought
>
> others might also like to hear more on this topic.
>
> First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the
> past I
>
> made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal
> templates that I
>
> have both bought and made.
>
> The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only
> company that I
>
> know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there
> were more.
>
> I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry,
> Templates were the poor
>
> man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not
> just wood turning.)
>
>
>
> I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine
> details in my templates, only
>
> the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my
> Legacy and or turned by hand,
>
> this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the
> finer  look of a production
>
> quality, that many people today are looking for.
>
>
>
> When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This
> centerline is where I not only start to draw
>
> from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so
> everything works together. this is why
>
> every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center
> line of the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this
> center line is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
>
> all measurements are taken form this point.
>
> These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that
> I like to make today. I am limited
>
> to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2"
> tall (remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under
> 1/2" is the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)
>
> As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is
> larger then what I want to make the template too will also have to be
> modified, if I choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many
> different templates. At this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my
> shop. (I only have one photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks
> that hold some of my templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and
> plastic templates that I made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these
> templates range form stair case parts, finals, and other wood turning
> design patterns that I wanted to make over the years.
>
> I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and
> spindles form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my
> early days of wood working.
>
>
>
> Back to the topic.
>
> If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to
> be copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase
> speed in production.
>
> Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these
> stainless steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min.
> form start to finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to
> show how simple the designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)
>
>
>
> If you have more questions, Please let me know.
>
> Have a good night everyone.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George <
> curt.geo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.
>
> I normally stay smal

Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hello Everyone.


Thank you all for your notes/kind words. 
Rick I use to have the use of a laser,  I made appx. 300 plastic templates, 
that most worked out very well for me.Today I no longer have that access to 
that laser, so I started going back to the olden daysmethods that worked for me 
in the past.  My quality of my home made templates, is not quite the same as 
the laser, but  Over all I think these stainless steel templates should workout 
well for me.As I see it, Its all part of the learning experience.  (And I am 
still learning a lot, form this practice.)

Talk to you all MORE, when I wake up. Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 09:46:03 AM EST, Rick Hutley 
 wrote:  
 
 
These look very substantial and long-lasting Curt. I wonder if it would be 
worthwhile cutting them out of ¼” acrylic sheet on a laser engraver. It if is, 
it would be a fast and easy way to duplicate them when they wear out or someone 
else needs one (and a lot lighter, and hence cheaper, to post).
 
  
 
Also, anyone with any graphics skills (eg. Using Illustrator) could create 
their own template designs – or perhaps take a contour off of an existing piece 
they are trying to replace/replicate (maybe using one of those contour 
measuring things from Homedepot etc.) 
 
  
 
Rick
 
  
 
From:'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Date: Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:32 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates
 
Hello and Good morning again everyone.
 
I stated the Pen State was the only company that still makes templates.
 
This is true, but I also wanted everyone to know there templates are a bit 
different then the 
 
ones that I make.  here are some photo's of there templates modified to work 
with my set-up.
 
As you can see there templates are much smaller then what I make, In these 
photos, I tac wielded there 
 
templates onto a piece of metal So I can hold these templates with my 
set-up/tool holders. There templates
 
are nice, but they may need some modifications if you want to use them.(same 
but different.)  ;-)
 
NOTE: the white template in the mid, of the second photo is one that I made/ 
point of reference.
 
  
 
C.A.G.
 
  
 
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 09:21:33 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
Good morning Tim.
 
  
 
"Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  . 
(Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p
 
  
 
Have a great day.
 
  
 
C.A.G.
 
  
 
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making 
templates. Many by hand, but in the end
 
most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine. 

 
Kind Regards,
 
  
 
Timothy J. Ziegler
 
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
 
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
 
14171 160th Ave.
 
Foreston MN 56330
 
  
 
320-294-5798 shop
 
320-630-2243 cell
 
  
 
  
 
On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
 

Hello and Good evening everyone.(I just got home form work.)
 
  
 
I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought 
 
others might also like to hear more on this topic.
 
First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the past 
I 
 
made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal templates 
that I 
 
have both bought and made.
 
The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only company 
that I 
 
know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there were 
more.
 
I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry, 
Templates were the poor 
 
man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not just 
wood turning.) 
 
  
 
I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine details 
in my templates, only 
 
the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my Legacy 
and or turned by hand,
 
this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the finer  
look of a production
 
quality, that many people today are looking for.
 
  
 
When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This centerline 
is where I not only start to draw 
 
from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so 
everything works together. this is why
 
every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center line of 
the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this center line 
is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.
 
all measurements are taken form this point.
 
These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that I 
like to make today. I am limited
 
to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2" tall 
(remember the spindles are originally