Re: All I want For Christmas

[Dexter Bland]

I use a shaper to make the doors (an old delta machine). Cutting that much 
material at once is really hard on a router and if you pause during the cut 
it will burn the wood. Shapers cutters turn much slower and rarely ever 
leave burn marks. The frame pieces are Roman Ogee and the standard cope for 
the raised panel cut.

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 3:32:21 AM UTC-6, Arkady Paka wrote:
>
> Nice Kitchen Dexter!
> What router bits have you use for doors.
> Arkady.
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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Arkady Paka]

Nice Kitchen Dexter!
What router bits have you use for doors.
Arkady.

2016-02-27 5:16 GMT+02:00 CURTIS GEORGE <curtgeo...@wowway.com>:

>
> Nice Job Dexter!
> That is a beautiful kitchen, You should be Proud.
> Keep up the good work.
> And Thanks for sharing the Photos with us.
> C.A.G.
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> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, February 26, 2016 7:54:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: All I want For Christmas
>
> I thought I would post a photo of the completed corner cabinet now that it
> is completed and installed after posting the photo of the work in progress
> with the 17 clamps on it. Of course I thought of a easier way I could have
> done this cabinet after it was competed, but oh well, maybe next time.
> db
>
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 8:35:31 PM UTC-6, Dexter Bland wrote:
>
>> Might I make a suggestion if you have not figured out what you might need
>> for Christmas
>>
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Re: All I want For Christmas

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the info on the Vacuum idea. 

As far as the glue up goes, the Silicon sand (white sand) I have a salt shaker 
in the shop filled with sand, Ive been using it for appx. 10 years, and the 
shacker has not been refilled yet. you dont want to use a lot of sand when 
gluing your projects. Just a dash (perhaps a pinch is would be better, Kitchen 
measurements here.)(a very little bit.) ;-) is all it takes to keep the boards 
for sliding away. 

Have a great weekend everyone. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" <legacym...@iglide.net> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:21:10 AM 
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas 

If you pull a full vacuum you are pressing down with over 2000 pounds per 
square foot 

On 12/11/2015 10:07 AM, maxmd wrote: 



In answer to the glue bag, I found a butyl rubber RV roof used of course 
patched the holes and use an old medical vacuum and appropriate hoses valves 
etc 
Max 


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone 


 Original message  
From: CURTIS GEORGE 
Date:12/11/2015 9:00 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas 

Hello Everyone. 
along the lines of glue up's and clamping I thought I would add a few tricks to 
help everyone out when doing large glue up's 

When gluing large mutable layers, the glue can make the wood slide and shift 
when applying the clamps. I was taught to sprinkle some white sand on to the 
ends for the boards. the sand will keep the boards form shifting while 
clamping, and can easily be cut off after the glue has tried. (if need be, I 
have never had any problems using this technique i the past, Note a very little 
sand is needed.) 

and when I do small glue ups, I use a dollar store rubber spatula to spread the 
glue, Its like frosting a cake, The spatula spreads the glue nicely, (better 
than a brush.) And once done, I just let the glue dry on the spatula, the 
rubber/soft plastic of the spatula is something that the glue can not stick to 
,and will comes off in seconds. No fuss or muss. ;-) 
for large glue up's I use a paint roller... it spreads the glue fast, its not 
exactly a clean job, but when time is waiting, its the best way to get the 
boards glued together. (at least in my book!) 


NOW here is an idea that I was thinking about last night when working on a 
vacuum pump. 
this is only a idea, Has anyone here tried this? using a heavy plastic bag and 
a vacuum to do your clamping of wood? I know that air our air pressure would be 
enough to hold the wood firmly in place while the glue is drying. It might even 
force the glue deeper into the wood, for a better bond  The glue would not 
stick to the plastic,making a easer clean up. I would think something like this 
could work for anyone doing glue up's, it would be quick and easy to do, if you 
have the right equipment. And I think it just might be cheaper than buying 600+ 
clamps? (any takers on this idea?) 

C.A.G. 


From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" <legacym...@iglide.net> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:30:41 AM 
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas 

Very large jobs move faster with more clamps. If you only have a few clamps, 
you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry. That is not time 
effective. By the time the I finish with my last set of clamps, the first set 
has had enough time to be removed and used again. From that point it is just a 
matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the cured boards to the 
next work station. Creates constant work and is very effective. When you do 
this for a living, you don't want to keep the customer waiting. 

Mike 
OK 

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote: 



Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount. 






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Re: All I want For Christmas

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Hello Everyone. 
along the lines of glue up's and clamping I thought I would add a few tricks to 
help everyone out when doing large glue up's 

When gluing large mutable layers, the glue can make the wood slide and shift 
when applying the clamps. I was taught to sprinkle some white sand on to the 
ends for the boards. the sand will keep the boards form shifting while 
clamping, and can easily be cut off after the glue has tried. (if need be, I 
have never had any problems using this technique i the past, Note a very little 
sand is needed.) 

and when I do small glue ups, I use a dollar store rubber spatula to spread the 
glue, Its like frosting a cake, The spatula spreads the glue nicely, (better 
than a brush.) And once done, I just let the glue dry on the spatula, the 
rubber/soft plastic of the spatula is something that the glue can not stick to 
,and will comes off in seconds. No fuss or muss. ;-) 
for large glue up's I use a paint roller... it spreads the glue fast, its not 
exactly a clean job, but when time is waiting, its the best way to get the 
boards glued together. (at least in my book!) 


NOW here is an idea that I was thinking about last night when working on a 
vacuum pump. 
this is only a idea, Has anyone here tried this? using a heavy plastic bag and 
a vacuum to do your clamping of wood? I know that air our air pressure would be 
enough to hold the wood firmly in place while the glue is drying. It might even 
force the glue deeper into the wood, for a better bond  The glue would not 
stick to the plastic,making a easer clean up. I would think something like this 
could work for anyone doing glue up's, it would be quick and easy to do, if you 
have the right equipment. And I think it just might be cheaper than buying 600+ 
clamps? (any takers on this idea?) 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" <legacym...@iglide.net> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:30:41 AM 
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas 

Very large jobs move faster with more clamps. If you only have a few clamps, 
you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry. That is not time 
effective. By the time the I finish with my last set of clamps, the first set 
has had enough time to be removed and used again. From that point it is just a 
matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the cured boards to the 
next work station. Creates constant work and is very effective. When you do 
this for a living, you don't want to keep the customer waiting. 

Mike 
OK 

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote: 



Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount. 






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RE: All I want For Christmas

[maxmd]

In answer to the glue bag, I found a butyl rubber RV roof used of course 
patched the holes and use an old medical vacuum and appropriate hoses valves etc
Max


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 Original message From: CURTIS GEORGE 
<curtgeo...@wowway.com> Date:12/11/2015  9:00 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 
All I want For Christmas 

Hello Everyone.
along the lines of glue up's and clamping I thought I would add a few tricks to 
help everyone out when doing large glue up's

When gluing large mutable layers, the glue can make the wood slide and shift 
when applying the clamps. I was taught to sprinkle some white sand on to the 
ends for the boards. the sand will keep the boards form shifting while 
clamping, and can easily be cut off after the glue has tried. (if need be, I 
have never had any problems using this technique i the past, Note a very little 
sand is needed.)

and when I do small glue ups, I use a dollar store rubber spatula to spread the 
glue, Its like frosting a cake, The spatula spreads the glue nicely, (better 
than a brush.) And once done, I just let the glue dry on the spatula, the 
rubber/soft plastic of the spatula is something that the glue can not stick to 
,and will comes off in seconds. No fuss or muss. ;-)
for large glue up's I use a paint roller... it spreads the glue fast, its not 
exactly a clean job, but when time is waiting, its the best way to get the 
boards glued together. (at least in my book!)


NOW here is an idea that I was thinking about last night when working on a 
vacuum pump.
this is only a idea, Has anyone here tried this? using a heavy plastic bag and 
a vacuum to do your clamping of wood? I know that air our air pressure would be 
enough to hold the wood firmly in place while the glue is drying. It might even 
force the glue deeper into the wood, for a better bond  The glue would not 
stick to the plastic,making a easer clean up. I would think something like this 
could work for anyone doing glue up's, it would be quick and easy to do, if you 
have the right equipment. And I think it just might be cheaper than buying 600+ 
clamps? (any takers on this idea?)

C.A.G.

- Original Message -

From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" <legacym...@iglide.net>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas

Very large jobs move faster with more clamps. If you only have a few clamps, 
you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry. That is not time 
effective. By the time the I finish with my last set of clamps, the first set 
has had enough time to be removed and used again. From that point it is just a 
matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the cured boards to the 
next work station. Creates constant work and is very effective. When you do 
this for a living, you don't want to keep the customer waiting.

Mike
OK

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote:



Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.






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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

If you pull a full vacuum you are pressing down with over 2000 pounds 
per square foot


On 12/11/2015 10:07 AM, maxmd wrote:
In answer to the glue bag, I found a butyl rubber RV roof used of 
course patched the holes and use an old medical vacuum and appropriate 
hoses valves etc

Max


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone


 Original message 
From: CURTIS GEORGE
Date:12/11/2015 9:00 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas

Hello Everyone.
along the lines of glue up's and clamping I thought I would add a few 
tricks to help everyone out when doing large glue up's


When gluing large mutable layers, the glue can make the wood slide and 
shift when applying the clamps. I was taught to sprinkle some white 
sand on to the ends for the boards. the sand will keep the boards form 
shifting while clamping, and can easily be cut off after the glue has 
tried. (if need be, I have never had any problems using this technique 
i the past, Note a very little sand is needed.)


and when I do small glue ups, I use a dollar store rubber spatula to 
spread the glue, Its like frosting a cake, The spatula spreads the 
glue nicely, (better than a brush.) And once done, I just let the glue 
dry on the spatula, the rubber/soft plastic of the spatula is 
something that the glue can not stick to ,and will comes off in 
seconds. No fuss or muss. ;-)
for large glue up's I use a paint roller... it spreads the glue fast, 
its not exactly a clean job, but when time is waiting, its the best 
way to get the boards glued together. (at least in my book!)



NOW here is an idea that I was thinking about last night when working 
on a vacuum pump.
this is only a idea, Has anyone here tried this? using a heavy plastic 
bag and a vacuum to do your clamping of wood? I know that air our air 
pressure would be enough to hold the wood firmly in place while the 
glue is drying. It might even force the glue deeper into the wood, for 
a better bond   The glue would not stick to the plastic,making a 
easer clean up. I would think something like this could work for 
anyone doing glue up's, it would be quick and easy to do, if you have 
the right equipment. And I think it just might be cheaper than buying 
600+ clamps? (any takers on this idea?)


C.A.G.


*From: *"Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" <legacym...@iglide.net>
*To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:30:41 AM
*Subject: *Re: All I want For Christmas

Very large jobs move faster with more clamps.  If you only have a few 
clamps, you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry.  That is 
not time effective.  By the time the I finish with my last set of 
clamps, the first set has had enough time to be removed and used 
again.  From that point it is just a matter of cycling clamps onto new 
boards and taking the cured boards to the next work station.  Creates 
constant work and is very effective. When you do this for a living, 
you don't want to keep the customer waiting.


Mike
OK

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote:

Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.



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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Brigitte Graham]

Wow!! 600 clamps - When you have time I'd like to see a picture of your
storage racks
I have never got enough clamps for the job in hand.
But here is a tip for you, bicycle inner tubes are great for clamping
awkward shapes, and do not dent or mar delicate timber.
I often use them for clamping antique chairs (which I glue with Scotch
glue). If needed you can always give the joints a squeeze with a sash/'f'
clamp just to make sure it is fully home. The frame will be protected by
the wrappings of the inner tube.
Plus they are free if you go to your local cycle repair shop and ask for
punctured tubes!
Legacy Widow


On 8 December 2015 at 15:30, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
wrote:

> Very large jobs move faster with more clamps.  If you only have a few
> clamps, you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry.  That is not
> time effective.  By the time the I finish with my last set of clamps, the
> first set has had enough time to be removed and used again.  From that
> point it is just a matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the
> cured boards to the next work station.  Creates constant work and is very
> effective. When you do this for a living, you don't want to keep the
> customer waiting.
>
> Mike
> OK
>
> On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote:
>
> Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.
>
>
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Re: All I want For Christmas

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Hello Brigitte and everyone else. 
As you know there is ALWAYS more then one way to do almost anything. 
Another way that I've used a bit, is to use CA glue and accelerator combined 
with normal glue. after the clamps are in place, and the glue has been applied, 
a few drops of CA glue on the edges of the wood and then a spray of accelerator 
to cure the CA glue will hold the wood in place until the glue dries. the 
clamps can be removed and onto the next set of glue ups. Note this is for glue 
ups where the wood will be turned, the CA glue can cause problems for finishes 
and final details, So don't try this trick unless the you know the CA glue will 
not be a problem. 

As far as buying clamps Harbor fright sells cheap clamps that do rather well 
for most of the jobs that I do. 
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=clamps I buy these clamps 
when they are on sale. But even when the normal price $3. per clamp is way 
better than $10.00 for 
http://www.amazon.com/Bessey-GSCC2-506-2-5-Inch-6-Inch-Economy/dp/B000FA0BL8/ref=sr_1_6?s=hi=UTF8=1449670183=1-6=Bessey+6%22
 or $23.00 for 
http://www.amazon.com/JORGENSEN-3706-HD-Heavy-Steel-Clamp/dp/B5R1HV/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi=UTF8=1449670353=1-5=pony+6%22+wood+clamps
 . 
By the way I don't have 600 clamps,(like Mike dose.) but I do have something 
like 100+ in my shop.(but remember I'm just a hobbyist. ) ;-) 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Brigitte Graham" <brigittegraha...@gmail.com> 
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:38:53 AM 
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas 

Wow!! 600 clamps - When you have time I'd like to see a picture of your storage 
racks 
I have never got enough clamps for the job in hand. 
But here is a tip for you, bicycle inner tubes are great for clamping awkward 
shapes, and do not dent or mar delicate timber. 
I often use them for clamping antique chairs (which I glue with Scotch glue). 
If needed you can always give the joints a squeeze with a sash/'f' clamp just 
to make sure it is fully home. The frame will be protected by the wrappings of 
the inner tube. 
Plus they are free if you go to your local cycle repair shop and ask for 
punctured tubes! 
Legacy Widow 

On 8 December 2015 at 15:30, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) < legacym...@iglide.net > 
wrote: 



Very large jobs move faster with more clamps. If you only have a few clamps, 
you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry. That is not time 
effective. By the time the I finish with my last set of clamps, the first set 
has had enough time to be removed and used again. From that point it is just a 
matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the cured boards to the 
next work station. Creates constant work and is very effective. When you do 
this for a living, you don't want to keep the customer waiting. 

Mike 
OK 

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Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount. 






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Re: All I want For Christmas

[MWF]

Brigitte,Great tip, thank you for sharing.I find using the pocket hole jig & screws very helpful in reducing the number of clamps I use. (See the Kreg Tool website if you are unfamiliar with them.)Mac-Original Message-
From: Brigitte Graham <brigittegraha...@gmail.com>
Sent: Dec 9, 2015 4:38 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: All I want For Christmas

Wow!! 600 clamps - When you have time I'd like to see a picture of your storage racksI have never got enough clamps for the job in hand. But here is a tip for you, bicycle inner tubes are great for clamping awkward shapes, and do not dent or mar delicate timber. I often use them for clamping antique chairs (which I glue with Scotch glue). If needed you can always give the joints a squeeze with a sash/'f' clamp just to make sure it is fully home. The frame will be protected by the wrappings of the inner tube. Plus they are free if you go to your local cycle repair shop and ask for punctured tubes!Legacy Widow  On 8 December 2015 at 15:30, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:
  

  
  
Very large jobs move faster with more clamps.  If
  you only have a few clamps, you spend all your time waiting for
  the glue to dry.  That is not time effective.  By the time the I
  finish with my last set of clamps, the first set has had enough
  time to be removed and used again.  From that point it is just a
  matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the cured
  boards to the next work station.  Creates constant work and is very
  effective. When you do this for a living, you don't want to keep
  the customer waiting.
  
  Mike
  OK

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач
  wrote:


  Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.









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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

Very large jobs move faster with more clamps.  If you only have a few 
clamps, you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry.  That is 
not time effective.  By the time the I finish with my last set of 
clamps, the first set has had enough time to be removed and used again.  
From that point it is just a matter of cycling clamps onto new boards 
and taking the cured boards to the next work station.  Creates constant 
work and is very effective. When you do this for a living, you don't 
want to keep the customer waiting.


Mike
OK

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote:

Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.



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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Dexter Bland]

> "By the time the I finish with my last set of clamps, the first set has 
> had enough time to be removed and used again.  From that point it is just a 
> matter of cycling clamps onto new boards and taking the cured boards to the 
> next work station."  
>
 

> Mike
> OK
>
When I saw your impressive photo, my very first thought was that by the 
> time you got finished with the last one, you could take the clamps off the 
> first. Just when you think you have enough, a project comes along that you 
> use all the clamps you have and could use a few more. Did you hear that 
> Santa? More clamps please...
>
DB 
 
 
 
 

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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

As you can see in the photo, I am gluing paper in between two boards.  
They will be turned round and roped.  The next step is to 1/4 them and 
they will be used as corner trim. The paper allows me to break the two 
halves apart easily yet still be strong enough to mill.  Since this 
application is not permanent, I use Elmer's white glue.  If I was going 
for indoor furniture, the off the floor seams would be Titebond 1 Table 
legs that touch the floor that could possibly get wet, I use Titebond 2 
and for exterior I use Titebond 3


Mike
OK

On 12/8/2015 10:14 AM, Александр Ткач wrote:

What glue do you work?


Вторник, 8 декабря 2015, 9:30 -06:00 от "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)"
:

Very large jobs move faster with more clamps.  If you only have a
few clamps, you spend all your time waiting for the glue to dry. 
That is not time effective.  By the time the I finish with my last

set of clamps, the first set has had enough time to be removed and
used again.  From that point it is just a matter of cycling clamps
onto new boards and taking the cured boards to the next work
station.  Creates constant work and is very effective. When you do
this for a living, you don't want to keep the customer waiting.

Mike
OK

On 12/8/2015 1:02 AM, Александр Ткач wrote:

Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.



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Re: All I want For Christmas

[MWF]

Dex,OK - I give up - what is it you are making (item in the attached photo)?Looks like it might be going to be a cabinet.Any more pictures of it to share?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Dexter Bland 
Sent: Dec 7, 2015 9:35 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: All I want For Christmas

Might I make a suggestion if you have not figured out what you might need for Christmas



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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Dexter Bland]

Mac,
You are correct that it is (will be) a corner wall cabinet that will have 
an appliance garage below (all built as one). The complication is that the 
45 degree joint between the plywood and solid wood face frame is a finished 
edge. I join the two with a rabbit joint to get a solid glue connection 
between face frame and side panel. Not easy to make that joint fit tight 
with the clamping angle and odd shape. Hence the 18 clamps on the 
one cabinet.
db

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 11:24:42 AM UTC-6, Va Oak wrote:

> Dex,
> OK - I give up - what is it you are making (item in the attached photo)?
> Looks like it might be going to be a cabinet.
> Any more pictures of it to share?
> Thanks.
> Mac
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>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Dexter Bland 
> Sent: Dec 7, 2015 9:35 PM 
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: All I want For Christmas 
>
> Might I make a suggestion if you have not figured out what you might need 
> for Christmas
>
>

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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Александр Ткач]

Why do so many clamps ? A lesser amount.

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Re: All I want For Christmas

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

You can never have too many clamps, that is for sure.  I have over 600 
but am looking for more.  There are days that I have them all in use.  
Sometimes, there's not enough room in the shop.


Mike
OK

On 12/7/2015 8:35 PM, Dexter Bland wrote:
Might I make a suggestion if you have not figured out what you might 
need for Christmas

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