Re: Tim's wave attachment

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Hello and Good morning RichardCan you take some more pictures of your cutting 
set-up?
Are you using a re-coil spring on your wave attachment?
I would suggest to make a test set of cuts, and this time use a round spindle, 
make one cut and then indexand make another cut next to the first.( a few sets 
of cuts should show us what we need?)  The goal is to see if you can get 
uniformity of your cuts, 
Your use an octagon looks neat, but its hard to see what went wrong in these 
photos .  Perhaps you could mark the mid section of the octagons flats with a 
marker, this way you would have a uniformed starting point on each spindle to 
index to? At this point all I can do is suggest different ideas,  But what We 
really need at this moment is more detail on what is happening.Have a great 
day.C.A.G. 

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:09 AM, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:
 

 TimI have been finding it difficult to centre the wave on the octagon ( One 
face ) I think When in the shed next I will fix the wood in place using the 
Revo locking pin /plate and then make sure the Wave index pin also lines up in 
a hole. Hope it works???You will see by the pics ,although they are not too 
clear.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:41:31 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
A thought comes to mind.  Since the Revo cannot use a double locking collar, I 
would make the stock an octogon on the Revo, then make your waves.  I'm still 
trying to figure out the wandering wave problem.  I think photos will reveal 
the mystery.  

-TimOn Feb 27, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:
Yes Tim The peaks were indeed deeper on the outside as I expected. Now how to 
get the wooden object level. When I screwed the drive dog/plate on It was not 
leaving the flat of the octagon level with the carriage, The 24 hole drive 
plate did not quite line up,, I may in future have to do a light planing cut 
.Or find a plate with more index holes.My last wave was not only off center it 
wandered to one side, and of course it went deeper --looked a bit strange. 
I could not see the reason When I take a pic. I will high-lite with a marker 
pen  I don't think the carriage moved as I pencil marked it position before 
startingThe wood I am using is very wooly maybe willow or poplar-- only fit 
to practise with Richard

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:24:23 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
I'm waiting for photos before commenting.  Putting waves on a flat surface was 
never in the plan so this could be a very interesting thread.   

The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be deeper at 
each peak of the waves.  The center of the wave is of course the original depth 
set. This is because of the arc of the cut.  Does this make sense? 

TimOn Feb 26, 2018, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
  Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well.   
   There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this 
attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after the cut has 
been made,   you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the 
starting point, Then drive your machine until the marks on the gears are in 
line again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the next cut.   
   If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form the same 
point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on the gears to keep 
a constant...   
   Is this all necessary? No.  But on the wave attachment if the arm has moved 
on the other side of the swing of your starting point was, your wave/pitch will 
be cut in a different direction.   
   I hope this helps?   
   I have to get to work now.   talk to you all more latter.   
   C.A.G.   
   
   
   
   
 
   On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:
  
 
  
 Richard Ellis    To  Legacy Ornamental Mills  
Today at 8:37 AM Hi Curt   The last Wave certainly did not work out, 
and I am at a complete loss as to why.  Will get a pic later.   It is bright 
sunshine here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The worlds gone mad!!   Richard 
 
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote: 
Hey Richard.    can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as 
planed, I would like to see what you did.   C.A.G.   
 
  On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
  
 
 Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 inches 
long.   Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using Tims 
Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think I should have 
moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just off center.  Why did I 
do it? who knows!! All good practice   Richard 
   
   -- 
 

Re: Tim's wave attachment

[Tim Krause]

I think I'm seeing the problem much clearer now.  I need to sleep on it to come 
up with a good answer.  At this moment, I would suggest using a template in a 
sinewave form on the flats.  That way you could do several rows of waves.  I 
think that's a better option than trying to use reciprocator.  I'll sleep on it!

-Tim

On Feb 27, 2018, 11:09 PM, at 11:09 PM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Tim
>I have been finding it difficult to centre the wave on the octagon (
>One 
>face ) I think When in the shed next I will fix the wood in place using
>the 
>Revo locking pin /plate and then make sure the Wave index pin also
>lines up 
>in a hole. Hope it works???
>You will see by the pics ,although they are not too clear.
>
>On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:41:31 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
>>
>> A thought comes to mind.  Since the Revo cannot use a double locking 
>> collar, I would make the stock an octogon on the Revo, then make your
>
>> waves.  I'm still trying to figure out the wandering wave problem.  I
>think 
>> photos will reveal the mystery.  
>>
>> -Tim
>> On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Richard Ellis > > wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes Tim 
>>> The peaks were indeed deeper on the outside as I expected. Now how
>to get 
>>> the wooden object level. When I screwed the drive dog/plate on It
>was not 
>>> leaving the flat of the octagon level with the carriage, The 24 hole
>drive 
>>> plate did not quite line up,, I may in future have to do a light
>planing 
>>> cut .
>>> Or find a plate with more index holes.
>>> My last wave was not only off center it wandered to one side, and of
>
>>> course it went deeper --looked a bit strange. I could not see
>the 
>>> reason When I take a pic. I will high-lite with a marker pen  I
>don't think 
>>> the carriage moved as I pencil marked it position before starting
>>> The wood I am using is very wooly maybe willow or poplar-- only
>fit 
>>> to practise with 
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:24:23 AM UTC, Tim wrote:

 I'm waiting for photos before commenting.  Putting waves on a flat 
 surface was never in the plan so this could be a very interesting
>thread.   

 The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be
>
 deeper at each peak of the waves.  The center of the wave is of
>course the 
 original depth set. This is because of the arc of the cut.  Does
>this make 
 sense? 

 Tim
 On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
 legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well. 
>
> There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this 
> attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after
>the cut 
> has been made, 
> you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the 
> starting point, Then drive your machine until the marks on the
>gears are in 
> line again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the
>next cut. 
>
> If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form
>the 
> same point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on
>the gears 
> to keep a constant... 
>
> Is this all necessary? No.  But on the wave attachment if the arm
>has 
> moved on the other side of the swing of your starting point was,
>your 
> wave/pitch will be cut in a different direction. 
>
> I hope this helps? 
>
> I have to get to work now. 
> talk to you all more latter. 
>
> C.A.G. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
>
> Richard Ellis  
> To 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Today at 8:37 AM 
> Hi Curt 
>  The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete
>loss 
> as to why.  Will get a pic later. 
> It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The
>worlds 
> gone mad!! 
> Richard 
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote:
>
>
> Hey Richard.  
> can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed,
>I 
> would like to see what you did. 
> C.A.G. 
>
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis <
> rchrd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20
>inches 
> long.   Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then
>using Tims 
> Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think
>I should 
> have moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just off
>center. 
> Why did I do it? who knows!! All good practice 
> Richard 
>
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Re: Tim's wave attachment

[Tim Krause]

A thought comes to mind.  Since the Revo cannot use a double locking collar, I 
would make the stock an octogon on the Revo, then make your waves.  I'm still 
trying to figure out the wandering wave problem.  I think photos will reveal 
the mystery.  

-Tim

On Feb 27, 2018, 12:38 AM, at 12:38 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Yes Tim 
>The peaks were indeed deeper on the outside as I expected. Now how to
>get 
>the wooden object level. When I screwed the drive dog/plate on It was
>not 
>leaving the flat of the octagon level with the carriage, The 24 hole
>drive 
>plate did not quite line up,, I may in future have to do a light
>planing 
>cut .
>Or find a plate with more index holes.
>My last wave was not only off center it wandered to one side, and of
>course 
>it went deeper --looked a bit strange. I could not see the reason
>When 
>I take a pic. I will high-lite with a marker pen  I don't think the 
>carriage moved as I pencil marked it position before starting
>The wood I am using is very wooly maybe willow or poplar-- only fit
>to 
>practise with 
>Richard
>
>On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:24:23 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I'm waiting for photos before commenting.  Putting waves on a flat
>surface 
>> was never in the plan so this could be a very interesting thread.   
>>
>> The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be
>deeper 
>> at each peak of the waves.  The center of the wave is of course the 
>> original depth set. This is because of the arc of the cut.  Does this
>make 
>> sense? 
>>
>> Tim
>> On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well. 
>>>
>>> There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this 
>>> attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after
>the cut 
>>> has been made, 
>>> you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the
>starting 
>>> point, Then drive your machine until the marks on the gears are in
>line 
>>> again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the next cut. 
>>>
>>> If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form the
>same 
>>> point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on the
>gears to 
>>> keep a constant... 
>>>
>>> Is this all necessary? No.  But on the wave attachment if the arm
>has 
>>> moved on the other side of the swing of your starting point was,
>your 
>>> wave/pitch will be cut in a different direction. 
>>>
>>> I hope this helps? 
>>>
>>> I have to get to work now. 
>>> talk to you all more latter. 
>>>
>>> C.A.G. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>>> Ornamental Mills 
>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Ellis   
>>> To 
>>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  
>>> Today at 8:37 AM 
>>> Hi Curt 
>>>  The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete
>loss as 
>>> to why.  Will get a pic later. 
>>> It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The
>worlds 
>>> gone mad!! 
>>> Richard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote: 
>>>
>>> Hey Richard.  
>>> can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed, I
>would 
>>> like to see what you did. 
>>> C.A.G. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis
> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20
>inches 
>>> long.   Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using
>Tims 
>>> Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think I
>should 
>>> have moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just off
>center. 
>>> Why did I do it? who knows!! All good practice 
>>> Richard 
>>>
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[Richard Ellis]

Yes Tim 
The peaks were indeed deeper on the outside as I expected. Now how to get 
the wooden object level. When I screwed the drive dog/plate on It was not 
leaving the flat of the octagon level with the carriage, The 24 hole drive 
plate did not quite line up,, I may in future have to do a light planing 
cut .
Or find a plate with more index holes.
My last wave was not only off center it wandered to one side, and of course 
it went deeper --looked a bit strange. I could not see the reason When 
I take a pic. I will high-lite with a marker pen  I don't think the 
carriage moved as I pencil marked it position before starting
The wood I am using is very wooly maybe willow or poplar-- only fit to 
practise with 
Richard

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:24:23 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
>
> I'm waiting for photos before commenting.  Putting waves on a flat surface 
> was never in the plan so this could be a very interesting thread.   
>
> The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be deeper 
> at each peak of the waves.  The center of the wave is of course the 
> original depth set. This is because of the arc of the cut.  Does this make 
> sense? 
>
> Tim
> On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>> Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well. 
>>
>> There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this 
>> attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after the cut 
>> has been made, 
>> you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the starting 
>> point, Then drive your machine until the marks on the gears are in line 
>> again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the next cut. 
>>
>> If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form the same 
>> point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on the gears to 
>> keep a constant... 
>>
>> Is this all necessary? No.  But on the wave attachment if the arm has 
>> moved on the other side of the swing of your starting point was, your 
>> wave/pitch will be cut in a different direction. 
>>
>> I hope this helps? 
>>
>> I have to get to work now. 
>> talk to you all more latter. 
>>
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Ellis   
>> To 
>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  
>> Today at 8:37 AM 
>> Hi Curt 
>>  The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete loss as 
>> to why.  Will get a pic later. 
>> It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The worlds 
>> gone mad!! 
>> Richard 
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote: 
>>
>> Hey Richard.  
>> can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed, I would 
>> like to see what you did. 
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 inches 
>> long.   Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using Tims 
>> Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think I should 
>> have moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just off center. 
>> Why did I do it? who knows!! All good practice 
>> Richard 
>>
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Re: Tim's wave attachment

[Tim Krause]

I'm waiting for photos before commenting.  Putting waves on a flat surface was 
never in the plan so this could be a very interesting thread.   

The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be deeper at 
each peak of the waves.  The center of the wave is of course the original depth 
set. This is because of the arc of the cut.  Does this make sense? 

Tim

On Feb 26, 2018, 9:15 AM, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well.
>There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this
>attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after the
>cut has been made,you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit
>back to the starting point, Then drive your machine until the marks on
>the gears are in line again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index
>for the next cut.
>If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form the
>same point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on the
>gears to keep a constant...
>Is this all necessary? No.  But on the wave attachment if the arm has
>moved on the other side of the swing of your starting point was, your
>wave/pitch will be cut in a different direction.
>I hope this helps?
>I have to get to work now.talk to you all more latter.
>C.A.G.
>
>
>
> 
>
>On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy
>Ornamental Mills  wrote:
> 
>
> 
>Richard Ellis ToLegacy Ornamental MillsToday at
>8:37 AMHi Curt The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a
>complete loss as to why.  Will get a pic later.It is bright sunshine
>here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The worlds gone mad!!Richard
>
>On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote:
>Hey Richard. can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as
>planed, I would like to see what you did.C.A.G.
>
>On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis
> wrote:
>
>
>Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 inches
>long.   Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using
>Tims Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think
>I should have moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just
>off center.Why did I do it? who knows!! All good
>practiceRichard
>
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Re: Tim's wave attachment

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well.
There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this attachment,The 
trick is to mark your gears before you start, after the cut has been made,you 
dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the starting point, 
Then drive your machine until the marks on the gears are in line again, then 
re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the next cut.
If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form the same 
point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on the gears to keep 
a constant...
Is this all necessary? No.  But on the wave attachment if the arm has moved on 
the other side of the swing of your starting point was, your wave/pitch will be 
cut in a different direction.
I hope this helps?
I have to get to work now.talk to you all more latter.
C.A.G.



 

On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:
 

 
Richard Ellis ToLegacy Ornamental MillsToday at 8:37 
AMHi Curt The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete loss 
as to why.  Will get a pic later.It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is 
starting to snow. The worlds gone mad!!Richard

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote:
Hey Richard. can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed, 
I would like to see what you did.C.A.G.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:


Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 inches long.   
Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using Tims Recprocator I 
did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think I should have moved one of 
the gears one tooth as the waves were just off center.Why did I do it? 
who knows!! All good practiceRichard

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Tim's wave attachment

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Richard Ellis ToLegacy Ornamental MillsToday at 8:37 
AMHi Curt The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete loss 
as to why.  Will get a pic later.It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is 
starting to snow. The worlds gone mad!!Richard

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote:
Hey Richard. can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed, 
I would like to see what you did.C.A.G.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:


Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 inches long.   
Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using Tims Recprocator I 
did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think I should have moved one of 
the gears one tooth as the waves were just off center.Why did I do it? 
who knows!! All good practiceRichard

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