[LegacyUG] Unknown Sex
Hi Can sks please tell me how to input unknown sexes in Legacy Please. I have found that my great grandparents had another two children, in the 1911 census UK, but died between 1901 and 1911. Thank you for any help. Regards Philip Rooke Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Sex
Philip Rooke wrote Hi Can sks please tell me how to input unknown sexes in Legacy Please. I have found that my great grandparents had another two children, in the 1911 census UK, but died between 1901 and 1911. Just Add a son or Add a daughter - it doesn't matter which - in the usual way and when the Individual's Information screen opens select the radio button for ? instead of M or F. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:21:26 -0400, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote: Obviously a sore point... sorry. It's not really a sore point with me. I was just asking if there was a more appropriate place for technical discussions like this. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Sex
Many Thanks Jenny Regards Philip Rooke - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Sex Philip Rooke wrote Hi Can sks please tell me how to input unknown sexes in Legacy Please. I have found that my great grandparents had another two children, in the 1911 census UK, but died between 1901 and 1911. Just Add a son or Add a daughter - it doesn't matter which - in the usual way and when the Individual's Information screen opens select the radio button for ? instead of M or F. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call
Hi Rich, I had thought of using audio interview as a source -- however it seems to be expecting a physical audio recording. For example, it asks about type of medium and the option is privately held. Then it asks about the current owner and the format (for example, audio tape) and the year the recording is owned, etc. So it would take a bit of twisting to make that fit. For now I think I'm going to go with Church Record and put in the notes that the information came from a phone conversation and that I don't have the physical record. Thanks for your suggestion -- I appreciate it, Brian -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:06 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call A phone conversation would be an audio interview? Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote: From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:34 PM Hi, What is the best way to do a source citation for information gotten from a telephone call? In this case I called the Church where my grandfather was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and where he was baptized. I looked at using Interview as a source but the options were for audio/video or transcript. I don't have a transcript or anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's name, the name of the Church and phone number. Thanks for the help, Brian The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
Bob, I don't think anyone posting to this thread was upset. I thought Dennis was expecting someone might complain that the subject is not strictly about Legacy since you can't see the tables directly in Legacy. The IDIME heading in TblSX was always very confusing to me (What does it have todo with a 10 cent coin?). Dennis' calling it ID of Individual, marriage, event was very enlightening enough to make it worth reading the whole thread. -- Richard Van Wasshnova On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote: Didn't mean to upset folks in asking about the Access data. I will review the items under the design feature and see if I can figure out the data. I'm not that familiar with all the nuances of Access, so I will study it and refrain from asking more questions on this area. Obviously a sore point... sorry. Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:21:12 -0700, Richard Van Wasshnova rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote: The IDIME heading in TblSX was always very confusing to me (What does it have todo with a 10 cent coin?). Dennis' calling it ID of Individual, marriage, event was very enlightening enough to make it worth reading the whole thread. I posted this to my website today to help explain how to use the IDIME and Type columns of tblSX. I figured these out by sourcing everything I could think of, then looking at tblSX. I can't guarantee its accuracy, but I think it is close enough for government work. http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/help/v1/tblSX_Type.htm -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Sex
There is an enhancement suggestion recorded to add a new option Add Child (unknown gender) to the Menu for adding children. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Philip Rooke wrote: Hi Can sks please tell me how to input unknown sexes in Legacy Please. I have found that my great grandparents had another two children, in the 1911 census UK, but died between 1901 and 1911. Thank you for any help. Regards Philip Rooke Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Export to GED, Import Ged back to Legacy. Drawbacks?
I know there is much to lose in exporting to GED and then re-importing to a new Legacy file: 1. Everyone is marked as imported. 2. Modified date is reset. I know there are other, more serious losses but I can't recall just what they are. Can anyone add to the list please? I am considering a rollback from vers 7.0.0.90 to vers 7.0.0.40 which is on CD. Both Access and Itools will open Legacy files of either version. Could either do a rollback? -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Export to GED, Import Ged back to Legacy. Drawbacks?
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:06:32 -0700, Richard Van Wasshnova rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote: Both Access and Itools will open Legacy files of either version. Could either do a rollback? No. They have no way of knowing what changed. Besides database structure changes, the upgrade process may have changed values in some fields. I remember several years ago one new release repopulated various *SDate fields because the programmers changed the algorithm they used to compute sorted dates. If all that was done was add new database columns (big if), then one might be able to use Access to muck with the database and manually undo the changes. I would play around with GEDCOMs before trying it. Make the GEDCOM for Legacy and make sure all export options are checked/unchecked so everything possible gets exported. Several months ago someone on the list had to GEDCOM export/import. Maybe she'll chime in and offer her thoughts. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Export to GED, Import Ged back to Legacy. Drawbacks?
Rich, I cannot add to your list, but why (apart from the fact that you have a CD) are you considering rolling back to 7.0.0.40 with all its bugs, particularly with respect to reports. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:06:32 -0700 Subject: [LegacyUG] Export to GED, Import Ged back to Legacy. Drawbacks? From: rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I know there is much to lose in exporting to GED and then re-importing to a new Legacy file: 1. Everyone is marked as imported. 2. Modified date is reset. I know there are other, more serious losses but I can't recall just what they are. Can anyone add to the list please? I am considering a rollback from vers 7.0.0.90 to vers 7.0.0.40 which is on CD. Both Access and Itools will open Legacy files of either version. Could either do a rollback? -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Export to GED, Import Ged back to Legacy. Drawbacks?
Dennis, Thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten that Rich cannot roll back to version 7.0.0.40 and expect to read his files, as since that version there have been structural changes in the DB. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: kowal...@iglou.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Export to GED, Import Ged back to Legacy. Drawbacks? Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:44:22 -0400 On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:06:32 -0700, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote: Both Access and Itools will open Legacy files of either version. Could either do a rollback? No. They have no way of knowing what changed. Besides database structure changes, the upgrade process may have changed values in some fields. I remember several years ago one new release repopulated various *SDate fields because the programmers changed the algorithm they used to compute sorted dates. If all that was done was add new database columns (big if), then one might be able to use Access to muck with the database and manually undo the changes. I would play around with GEDCOMs before trying it. Make the GEDCOM for Legacy and make sure all export options are checked/unchecked so everything possible gets exported. Several months ago someone on the list had to GEDCOM export/import. Maybe she'll chime in and offer her thoughts. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools _ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call
No matter how many templates Legacy creates, there will always be a new situation. Sometimes you must tweak the system, or the system will tweak you. Rich in LA CA --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote: From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:05 AM Hi Rich, I had thought of using audio interview as a source -- however it seems to be expecting a physical audio recording. For example, it asks about type of medium and the option is privately held. Then it asks about the current owner and the format (for example, audio tape) and the year the recording is owned, etc. So it would take a bit of twisting to make that fit. For now I think I'm going to go with Church Record and put in the notes that the information came from a phone conversation and that I don't have the physical record. Thanks for your suggestion -- I appreciate it, Brian -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:06 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call A phone conversation would be an audio interview? Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote: From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:34 PM Hi, What is the best way to do a source citation for information gotten from a telephone call? In this case I called the Church where my grandfather was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and where he was baptized. I looked at using Interview as a source but the options were for audio/video or transcript. I don't have a transcript or anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's name, the name of the Church and phone number. Thanks for the help, Brian The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call
Brian, From what you said previously you do have a physical record of the telephone. This would be the notes you took while you were on the phone with your interview. Your notes are a transcript of what was said. That is why if you want to you could put as privately held because you hold the notes that you took. Just my two cents. George Holmes -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Brian Beddor Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call Hi Rich, I had thought of using audio interview as a source -- however it seems to be expecting a physical audio recording. For example, it asks about type of medium and the option is privately held. Then it asks about the current owner and the format (for example, audio tape) and the year the recording is owned, etc. So it would take a bit of twisting to make that fit. For now I think I'm going to go with Church Record and put in the notes that the information came from a phone conversation and that I don't have the physical record. Thanks for your suggestion -- I appreciate it, Brian -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:06 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call A phone conversation would be an audio interview? Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote: From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:34 PM Hi, What is the best way to do a source citation for information gotten from a telephone call? In this case I called the Church where my grandfather was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and where he was baptized. I looked at using Interview as a source but the options were for audio/video or transcript. I don't have a transcript or anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's name, the name of the Church and phone number. Thanks for the help, Brian The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 04/22/09 08:49:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] order of names
I am not sure I understand what you are saying either, but yes Randolph, this is a common practice in Spanish/Portuguese convention, and some other cultures as well. Children were commonly given two surnames, one from each parent. The middle name (1st surname) comes from the father's name (apellido paterno), and the last name (2nd surname) is the mother's maiden name (apellido materno). For example: Mozes son of Joseph PEREIRA and Abigail MENDOZA will appear as Mozes PEREIRA MENDOZA. Should Mozes PEREIRA MENDOZA marry Sarah LOPES SALZEDO, their son's name would be recorded as Gabriel PEREIRA SALZEDO. Sometimes these two surnames are reversed - first the mother's surname, and then the father's surname. Effectively the surname can change with every generation. It would appear that when families left Spain and Portugal, in accordance with local laws and conventions in the rest of Europe, they kept a single continuing surname giving rise to the vast number of LOPES SALZEDO and NUNES NABARRO records. Lew -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Randolph Clark Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:34 PM To: legacyusergroup Subject: [LegacyUG] order of names In what I viewed as trying to be helpful I fired off a quick note to an Ancestry.com poster to let her know that she had reversed portions of my cousins name. Below is part of her response: The order of the names has to do with the Ancestry suggestion that runs throughout my extensive trees and is common in the US. The important for genealogy reasons maiden name is placed at the end and any married last names placed after the first name. Has anyone ever heard of this? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
