RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
This is a report problem I have mentioned several times in the past - only seems to affect RTF versions. Never got a response from anyone else experiencing same problem, so glad to see I am not alone! Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of jeffma...@orthohelp.com Sent: Monday, 4 May 2009 6:12:AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports Thank you Jenny. I was starting to feel real stupid! Jeff Jenny M Benson wrote: > Dennis M. Kowallek wrote >> Have you tried "Indent each gen: x.x inches" on the Options tab? >> >> And on Options > Report Options > Page Setup you can set the page >> margins. > > I agree with Jeff's findings. > > I set the "Indent each gen" to .3" and the left margin to 1.25 inches. > When the .rtf Report is opened in Word of OO, the first generation is > indented about 1.25" fom the left margin, Each subsequent generation > is correctly indented .3" from the previous one. > > When I set the page margin (in Legacy) to 0, the first generation was > very close to the left edge of the page. I then tried with a margin > of .5" and left the indent at .3" and this time the first generation > was about .5" from the left margin. > > So it seems to be that Legacy is adding an indent equal to the Left > Margin setting to the paragraphs of the first generation, but whatever > the margin is set at, the first generation paragraphs should align to > the Left Margin without indent. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
I am the OP but have not reported it as a bug because until recently no one else seemed to be able to even see that there was a problem at all. I am still not sure I can explain clearly what the problem is in a bug report without the programmers also ignoring it because (as was the case only a few days ago in this newsgroup) they do not see the problem and assume I have just not set the margins or the indents correctly. Perhaps one you Legacy gurus who actually figured out the problem could report it better than I could. Jeff Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:09:25 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: That I understood, but from where did the 1056 come? That is the $64,000 question. This value for the 1st generation should be either right up against the margin (\li0) or fairly close (if the programmer wants to add a little padding from the margin). But I wouldn't think this value would vary with your margin selection! Maybe Dave or whomever is the RTF Report guru will jump in and put an end to the speculation. I assume the OP has reported this as a bug by now. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:09:25 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: >That I understood, but from where did the 1056 come? That is the $64,000 question. This value for the 1st generation should be either right up against the margin (\li0) or fairly close (if the programmer wants to add a little padding from the margin). But I wouldn't think this value would vary with your margin selection! Maybe Dave or whomever is the RTF Report guru will jump in and put an end to the speculation. I assume the OP has reported this as a bug by now. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
That I understood, but from where did the 1056 come? 0.73 inch is not the margin (0.75inch), nor the indent (0.3inch). Having also looked again at different margins from 0 to .75inch the added indent for the first entry seems to vary wrt the set margin. Incidentally this also answers your point about my screenshot. If this is what you meant by a bug then I can see what you mean, but there does seem to be some sort of logic to it even though I cannot see the whys and wherefores at the moment. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: kowal...@iglou.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:12:22 -0400 > > On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:55:29 +0100, ronald ferguson > wrote: > >>The figures corresponding to the screnshot I uploaded are: >> >>\margl1080\margr1440\margt1080\margb1440 >> >>The first entry: >> >>\par \pard\fi0\li1056\plain\f3\fs20 \b Mr William Arthur >> >>The line before the second entry: \par \pard \li1056 \'95 She had a residence >>in 1917 >> >>and the second entry >> >>\par \pard\fi0\li1488\plain\f3\fs20 \b Miss Ivy Ferguson >> >>What I find puzzling is that the indent/margin for the first entry is very >>slightly less than the set margin. Otherwise these figures seem to be what I >>would expect. > > The \li1056 is the left indent relative to the left margin of > \margl1080. So it is saying indent 1080 + 1056 twips, or about 1.5 > inches. > > -- > > Dennis Kowallek (LTools) > http://zippersoftware.com/ltools > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools _ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:55:29 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: >The figures corresponding to the screnshot I uploaded are: > >\margl1080\margr1440\margt1080\margb1440 > >The first entry: > >\par \pard\fi0\li1056\plain\f3\fs20 \b Mr William Arthur > >The line before the second entry: \par \pard \li1056 \'95 She had a residence >in 1917 > >and the second entry > >\par \pard\fi0\li1488\plain\f3\fs20 \b Miss Ivy Ferguson > >What I find puzzling is that the indent/margin for the first entry is very >slightly less than the set margin. Otherwise these figures seem to be what I >would expect. The \li1056 is the left indent relative to the left margin of \margl1080. So it is saying indent 1080 + 1056 twips, or about 1.5 inches. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
On Mon, 4 May 2009 00:51:49 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: >Meanwhile if you look at http://www.fergys.co.uk/rtf_Check/ScreenShot.png I >have put on the OOo output - with the scale in inches. > >The Legacy settings were margin 0.75 ins, indent 0.30 ins. This seems to be >what I am getting with OOo. The screenshot you posted is hard to decipher because it does not appear to start at the top of a page. Is this the 1st generation in the report? It appears to start with a couple of events and then starts another generation? But, not being an expert on OO Writer, isn't the solid vertical line on the left your page margin? So the actual left side of the physical page would be .75 inches to the left of the solid vertical line? -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Dennis,
The figures corresponding to the screnshot I uploaded are:
\margl1080\margr1440\margt1080\margb1440
The first entry:
\par \pard\fi0\li1056\plain\f3\fs20 \b Mr William Arthur
The line before the second entry: \par \pard \li1056 \'95 She had a residence
in 1917
and the second entry
\par \pard\fi0\li1488\plain\f3\fs20 \b Miss Ivy Ferguson
What I find puzzling is that the indent/margin for the first entry is very
slightly less than the set margin. Otherwise these figures seem to be what I
would expect.
Ron Ferguson
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> From: kowal...@iglou.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:55:31 -0400
>
> On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:48:58 +0100, ronald ferguson
> wrote:
>
>>I don't know how you measured the margins in OO Writer, but I displayed the
>>non-printing charcters, which defines the left start - I also measured in
>>millimeters as this is easier to read accurately than inches.
>>
>>
>>Left margin set to 0.5inch margin abt 1.3 mm
>>Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 2.0mm
>>
>>Left margin set to 0.0 inch margin abt 0.0mm
>>Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 0.8mm
>>
>>To me, these seem to be correct. If Word is not showing the same then perhaps
>>it has something to do with the Word set up - but I do not know the product
>>to be able to comment.
>
> Ron:
>
> Here is a Print Preview from Word ...
>
> http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/20090503182521.jpg
>
> ... and here is the same file from OO Writer ...
>
> http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/20090503182849.jpg
>
> They look about the same to me.
>
> I looked at the .rtf in a text editor and the following line sets the
> left margin ...
>
> \margl1800\margr1800\margt1080\margb2880
>
> \margl1800 is the token of interest.
>
> The following line sets the left indent (from the margin) for the first
> generation ...
>
> \par \pard\fi0\li1584\plain\f3\fs20 \b 1-John Bales\b0 {\pard\plain \v
> {\xe BALES\:John}}\up5\super 1, 2, 3\up0\nosupersub was born about 1772
> in North Carolina\up5\super 2, 3, 4\up0\nosupersub and died on 11 Dec
> 1857\up5\super 1\up0\nosupersub about age 85.
>
> \li1584 is the token of interest.
>
> Measurement is in twips. 1440 twips = 1 inch. So 1584 twips = 1.1
> inches.
>
> I had left margin in Legacy set to 1.25 inches (1800 twips). So Legacy
> is telling Word and OO Writer to indent 1.25 + 1.1 = 2.35 inches. This
> looks like what I am seeing.
>
> Definitely a Legacy bug IMO. The OP should write it up and submit a bug
> report.
>
> --
>
> Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
> http://zippersoftware.com/ltools
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
The Preview looks badly wrong, although I would prefer to see a measure so that I can see what the margin/indents actually are. Whilst I agree that it should be the same as the output, I prefer to check in the WP - when I create reports I always put them through OOo anyway. I would also check direct printing, but I ran out of ink yesterday! Will have a look at the rtf now. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: kowal...@iglou.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports > Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:11:12 -0400 > > On Mon, 4 May 2009 00:51:49 +0100, ronald ferguson > wrote: > >>I have been having a look at the rtf file and on the face of it things do >>look a little funny, but I am uncertain and need to look at it more closely. >>At the moment what I see in the rtf file doesn't quite agree with what I am >>seeing on OOo. Since this cannot be true I wna t look with fresh eyes and it >>is very late here, so will look in the morning. Meanwhile if you look at >>http://www.fergys.co.uk/rtf_Check/ScreenShot.png I have put on the OOo output >>- with the scale in inches. >> >>The Legacy settings were margin 0.75 ins, indent 0.30 ins. This seems to be >>what I am getting with OOo. > > But what does Print Preview show? > > -- > > Dennis Kowallek (LTools) > http://zippersoftware.com/ltools > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools > > _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
On Mon, 4 May 2009 00:51:49 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: >I have been having a look at the rtf file and on the face of it things do look >a little funny, but I am uncertain and need to look at it more closely. At the >moment what I see in the rtf file doesn't quite agree with what I am seeing on >OOo. Since this cannot be true I wna t look with fresh eyes and it is very >late here, so will look in the morning. Meanwhile if you look at >http://www.fergys.co.uk/rtf_Check/ScreenShot.png I have put on the OOo output >- with the scale in inches. > >The Legacy settings were margin 0.75 ins, indent 0.30 ins. This seems to be >what I am getting with OOo. But what does Print Preview show? -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Dennis,
I have been having a look at the rtf file and on the face of it things do look
a little funny, but I am uncertain and need to look at it more closely. At the
moment what I see in the rtf file doesn't quite agree with what I am seeing on
OOo. Since this cannot be true I wna t look with fresh eyes and it is very late
here, so will look in the morning. Meanwhile if you look at
http://www.fergys.co.uk/rtf_Check/ScreenShot.png I have put on the OOo output -
with the scale in inches.
The Legacy settings were margin 0.75 ins, indent 0.30 ins. This seems to be
what I am getting with OOo.
Ron Ferguson
> From: kowal...@iglou.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:55:31 -0400
>
> On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:48:58 +0100, ronald ferguson
> wrote:
>
>>I don't know how you measured the margins in OO Writer, but I displayed the
>>non-printing charcters, which defines the left start - I also measured in
>>millimeters as this is easier to read accurately than inches.
>>
>>
>>Left margin set to 0.5inch margin abt 1.3 mm
>>Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 2.0mm
>>
>>Left margin set to 0.0 inch margin abt 0.0mm
>>Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 0.8mm
>>
>>To me, these seem to be correct. If Word is not showing the same then perhaps
>>it has something to do with the Word set up - but I do not know the product
>>to be able to comment.
>
> Ron:
>
> Here is a Print Preview from Word ...
>
> http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/20090503182521.jpg
>
> ... and here is the same file from OO Writer ...
>
> http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/20090503182849.jpg
>
> They look about the same to me.
>
> I looked at the .rtf in a text editor and the following line sets the
> left margin ...
>
> \margl1800\margr1800\margt1080\margb2880
>
> \margl1800 is the token of interest.
>
> The following line sets the left indent (from the margin) for the first
> generation ...
>
> \par \pard\fi0\li1584\plain\f3\fs20 \b 1-John Bales\b0 {\pard\plain \v
> {\xe BALES\:John}}\up5\super 1, 2, 3\up0\nosupersub was born about 1772
> in North Carolina\up5\super 2, 3, 4\up0\nosupersub and died on 11 Dec
> 1857\up5\super 1\up0\nosupersub about age 85.
>
> \li1584 is the token of interest.
>
> Measurement is in twips. 1440 twips = 1 inch. So 1584 twips = 1.1
> inches.
>
> I had left margin in Legacy set to 1.25 inches (1800 twips). So Legacy
> is telling Word and OO Writer to indent 1.25 + 1.1 = 2.35 inches. This
> looks like what I am seeing.
>
> Definitely a Legacy bug IMO. The OP should write it up and submit a bug
> report.
>
> --
>
> Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
> http://zippersoftware.com/ltools
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:48:58 +0100, ronald ferguson
wrote:
>I don't know how you measured the margins in OO Writer, but I displayed the
>non-printing charcters, which defines the left start - I also measured in
>millimeters as this is easier to read accurately than inches.
>
>
>Left margin set to 0.5inch margin abt 1.3 mm
>Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 2.0mm
>
>Left margin set to 0.0 inch margin abt 0.0mm
>Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 0.8mm
>
>To me, these seem to be correct. If Word is not showing the same then perhaps
>it has something to do with the Word set up - but I do not know the product to
>be able to comment.
Ron:
Here is a Print Preview from Word ...
http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/20090503182521.jpg
... and here is the same file from OO Writer ...
http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/20090503182849.jpg
They look about the same to me.
I looked at the .rtf in a text editor and the following line sets the
left margin ...
\margl1800\margr1800\margt1080\margb2880
\margl1800 is the token of interest.
The following line sets the left indent (from the margin) for the first
generation ...
\par \pard\fi0\li1584\plain\f3\fs20 \b 1-John Bales\b0 {\pard\plain \v
{\xe BALES\:John}}\up5\super 1, 2, 3\up0\nosupersub was born about 1772
in North Carolina\up5\super 2, 3, 4\up0\nosupersub and died on 11 Dec
1857\up5\super 1\up0\nosupersub about age 85.
\li1584 is the token of interest.
Measurement is in twips. 1440 twips = 1 inch. So 1584 twips = 1.1
inches.
I had left margin in Legacy set to 1.25 inches (1800 twips). So Legacy
is telling Word and OO Writer to indent 1.25 + 1.1 = 2.35 inches. This
looks like what I am seeing.
Definitely a Legacy bug IMO. The OP should write it up and submit a bug
report.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
OOps, Correction!! my final figures are in cms not mm! Sorry, (but should have been obvious) Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: ronfe...@msn.com > To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports > Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:48:58 +0100 > > > Neville, > > I don't know how you measured the margins in OO Writer, but I displayed the > non-printing charcters, which defines the left start - I also measured in > millimeters as this is easier to read accurately than inches. > > > Left margin set to 0.5inch margin abt 1.3 mm > Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 2.0mm > > Left margin set to 0.0 inch margin abt 0.0mm > Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 0.8mm > > To me, these seem to be correct. If Word is not showing the same then perhaps > it has something to do with the Word set up - but I do not know the product > to be able to comment. > > Ron Ferguson > > _ > > *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: > http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ > For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ > _____ > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:15:19 +1000 >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports >> From: nevp...@gmail.com >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >> >> Hi Jeff and all, >> >> I too have tried this in different word processors. I agree that the rtf has >> added the lmargin a second time. In MSWord I reduced the left margin to zero >> and it all looks good. >> >> The word pad is deceptive as it only shows the print area on the ruler and >> not the left margin. >> >> >> OOo writer did it differntly again by allowing all people to touch the >> LMargin and still added the indent a second time for all notes on each >> individual. >> >> Hope it helps >> NevP >> >> 2009/5/4 jeffma...@orthohelp.com >> >> It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other hand I >> think then problem is the left margin. >> >> >> >> >> First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve the >> problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin >> is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1". >> >> >> >> >> On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is >> indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now). It is correctly set >> at >> >> "Indent each generation 0.3" (and the default 10 generations). >> >> >> >> When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears on >> screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first >> generation*. So it looks correct. >> >> >> >> Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of the >> default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in >> Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin >> and subsequent generations by 0.3. >> >> >> >> >> What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes with >> Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is set >> at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3". So it looks >> like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is >> interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that indent. >> >> >> >> >> I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example of >> the rtf produced by Legacy at >> >> http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf >> >> >> >> You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left >> margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf docum
RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Neville, I don't know how you measured the margins in OO Writer, but I displayed the non-printing charcters, which defines the left start - I also measured in millimeters as this is easier to read accurately than inches. Left margin set to 0.5inch margin abt 1.3 mm Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 2.0mm Left margin set to 0.0 inch margin abt 0.0mm Indent set to 0.3inch total margin+indent abt 0.8mm To me, these seem to be correct. If Word is not showing the same then perhaps it has something to do with the Word set up - but I do not know the product to be able to comment. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:15:19 +1000 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports > From: nevp...@gmail.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > > Hi Jeff and all, > > I too have tried this in different word processors. I agree that the rtf has > added the lmargin a second time. In MSWord I reduced the left margin to zero > and it all looks good. > > The word pad is deceptive as it only shows the print area on the ruler and > not the left margin. > > > OOo writer did it differntly again by allowing all people to touch the > LMargin and still added the indent a second time for all notes on each > individual. > > Hope it helps > NevP > > 2009/5/4 jeffma...@orthohelp.com > > It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other hand I > think then problem is the left margin. > > > > > First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve the > problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin > is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1". > > > > > On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is > indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now). It is correctly set at > > "Indent each generation 0.3" (and the default 10 generations). > > > > When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears on > screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first generation*. > So it looks correct. > > > > Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of the > default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in Word > has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin and > subsequent generations by 0.3. > > > > > What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes with > Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is set > at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3". So it looks > like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is > interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that indent. > > > > > I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example of > the rtf produced by Legacy at > > http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf > > > > You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left > margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents. I do not know. > > > > (Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the left > margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about 1" to > the right of that). > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > ronald ferguson wrote: > > > Jeff, > > > > I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to > > Open Office which is the WP I use. > > > > For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report > > Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening > > page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I > > have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word. > > > > What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug. > > > > > > > > Ron Ferguson > > > > _____ > > > > *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages > > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > View the Grimshaw Family
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Bravo Neville. That does the trick for me too.
However it is a bug in the rtf creation formula which Legacy could probably
easily fix.
Thanks.
Jeff
- Original Message -
From: neville parmenter
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Hi again,
I just tried something else.
When I generated the rtf report in legacy I set the margin in page set up
there as zero before I printed the rtf. This seemed to worka treat. The
MSWord doc also had a zero left margin but I re set it to 12mm and it seemed
fine.
NevP
2009/5/4 neville parmenter
Hi Jeff and all,
I too have tried this in different word processors. I agree that the rtf
has added the lmargin a second time. In MSWord I reduced the left margin to
zero and it all looks good.
The word pad is deceptive as it only shows the print area on the ruler and
not the left margin.
OOo writer did it differntly again by allowing all people to touch the
LMargin and still added the indent a second time for all notes on each
individual.
Hope it helps
NevP
2009/5/4 jeffma...@orthohelp.com
It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other
hand I think then problem is the left margin.
First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve
the problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin
is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1".
On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is
indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now). It is correctly set at
"Indent each generation0.3" (and the default 10 generations).
When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears
on screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first
generation*. So it looks correct.
Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of
the default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in
Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin and
subsequent generations by 0.3.
What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes
with Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is
set at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3". So it looks
like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is
interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that indent.
I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example
of the rtf produced by Legacy at
http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf
You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left
margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents. I do not know.
(Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the
left margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about 1"
to the right of that).
Jeff
ronald ferguson wrote:
Jeff,
I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to
Open Office which is the WP I use.
For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report
Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening
page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I
have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word.
What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug.
Ron Ferguson
_
*New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_
From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400
Thanks Mark
That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the
"Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them,
all I have are 2 options:
a) Print Names in bold
b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line
spacing, not indents).
Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page
Layout are for the amount of indent for the 1s
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Hi again, I just tried something else. When I generated the rtf report in legacy I set the margin in page set up there as zero before I printed the rtf. This seemed to worka treat. The MSWord doc also had a zero left margin but I re set it to 12mm and it seemed fine. NevP 2009/5/4 neville parmenter > Hi Jeff and all, > > I too have tried this in different word processors. I agree that the rtf > has added the lmargin a second time. In MSWord I reduced the left margin to > zero and it all looks good. > > The word pad is deceptive as it only shows the print area on the ruler and > not the left margin. > > OOo writer did it differntly again by allowing all people to touch the > LMargin and still added the indent a second time for all notes on each > individual. > > Hope it helps > NevP > > 2009/5/4 jeffma...@orthohelp.com > > It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other hand >> I think then problem is the left margin. >> >> First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve the >> problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin >> is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1". >> >> On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is >> indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now). It is correctly set >> at >> "Indent each generation0.3" (and the default 10 generations). >> >> When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears >> on screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first >> generation*. So it looks correct. >> >> Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of the >> default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in >> Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin >> and subsequent generations by 0.3. >> >> What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes with >> Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is set >> at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3". So it looks >> like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is >> interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that >> indent. >> >> I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example >> of the rtf produced by Legacy at >> http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf >> >> You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left >> margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents. I do not >> know. >> >> (Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the >> left margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about >> 1" to the right of that). >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> >> ronald ferguson wrote: >> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to >>> Open Office which is the WP I use. >>> >>> For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report >>> Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening >>> page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I >>> have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word. >>> >>> What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Ferguson >>> >>> _________ >>> >>> *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages >>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >>> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: >>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ >>> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: >>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >>> _ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com >>>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports >>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400 >>>> >>>> Thanks Mark >>>> >>>> That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the >>>> "Descendent narrative" and when I open
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Hi Jeff and all, I too have tried this in different word processors. I agree that the rtf has added the lmargin a second time. In MSWord I reduced the left margin to zero and it all looks good. The word pad is deceptive as it only shows the print area on the ruler and not the left margin. OOo writer did it differntly again by allowing all people to touch the LMargin and still added the indent a second time for all notes on each individual. Hope it helps NevP 2009/5/4 jeffma...@orthohelp.com > It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other hand > I think then problem is the left margin. > > First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve the > problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin > is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1". > > On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is > indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now). It is correctly set > at > "Indent each generation0.3" (and the default 10 generations). > > When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears on > screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first > generation*. So it looks correct. > > Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of the > default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in > Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin > and subsequent generations by 0.3. > > What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes with > Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is set > at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3". So it looks > like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is > interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that > indent. > > I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example of > the rtf produced by Legacy at > http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf > > You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left > margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents. I do not > know. > > (Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the > left margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about > 1" to the right of that). > > Jeff > > > > > ronald ferguson wrote: > >> Jeff, >> >> I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to >> Open Office which is the WP I use. >> >> For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report >> Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening >> page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I >> have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word. >> >> What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug. >> >> >> >> Ron Ferguson >> >> _ >> >> *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ >> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: >> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >> _ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com >>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports >>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400 >>> >>> Thanks Mark >>> >>> That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the >>> "Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them, >>> all I have are 2 options: >>> a) Print Names in bold >>> b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line >>> spacing, not indents). >>> >>> Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page >>> Layout are for the amount of indent for the 1st generation. >>> >>> Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in >>> Word. The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only >>> about 0.25" from left margin - which is reasonable. It is only when >>> using the rtf imported into Word that the indents get to be >>> unnecess
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Thank you Jenny. I was starting to feel real stupid! Jeff Jenny M Benson wrote: Dennis M. Kowallek wrote Have you tried "Indent each gen: x.x inches" on the Options tab? And on Options > Report Options > Page Setup you can set the page margins. I agree with Jeff's findings. I set the "Indent each gen" to .3" and the left margin to 1.25 inches. When the .rtf Report is opened in Word of OO, the first generation is indented about 1.25" fom the left margin, Each subsequent generation is correctly indented .3" from the previous one. When I set the page margin (in Legacy) to 0, the first generation was very close to the left edge of the page. I then tried with a margin of .5" and left the indent at .3" and this time the first generation was about .5" from the left margin. So it seems to be that Legacy is adding an indent equal to the Left Margin setting to the paragraphs of the first generation, but whatever the margin is set at, the first generation paragraphs should align to the Left Margin without indent. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other hand I think then problem is the left margin. First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve the problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1". On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now). It is correctly set at "Indent each generation0.3" (and the default 10 generations). When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears on screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first generation*. So it looks correct. Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of the default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin and subsequent generations by 0.3. What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes with Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is set at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3". So it looks like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that indent. I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example of the rtf produced by Legacy at http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents. I do not know. (Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the left margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about 1" to the right of that). Jeff ronald ferguson wrote: Jeff, I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to Open Office which is the WP I use. For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word. What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ -------- From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400 Thanks Mark That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the "Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them, all I have are 2 options: a) Print Names in bold b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line spacing, not indents). Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page Layout are for the amount of indent for the 1st generation. Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in Word. The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only about 0.25" from left margin - which is reasonable. It is only when using the rtf imported into Word that the indents get to be unnecessarily excessive. When I open the rtf in Word I see that the left margin is set at 1" (which is OK) but the first generation line is set at 0.85" beyond that (which is too much for a first line). If I correct that first generation indent by reducing it, it unfortunately only corrects that one line. All the following generation lines below it are indented progressively greater specific amounts (1.15", etc.). Their indents are not relative to the first indent but relative to the left margin. So correcting the indents in Word necessitates correcting each and every paragraph one at a time which is not practical. The only thing that seems to work is to reduce the Word left margin to close to 0 so that the indents take off from there. But reducing the margin to close to "0" is not a reasonable or elegant way to work in Word. What would be best would be to reduce each one of the indents that Legacy creates (to what they are in the preview) and there seems to be no option to control those indents for the "rtf". I am not sure why someone in Legacy thought it was a good idea to start the first generation almost 1 inch to the right of the margin when creating an rtf. It is probably a bug because it is differen
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Dennis M. Kowallek wrote Have you tried "Indent each gen: x.x inches" on the Options tab? And on Options > Report Options > Page Setup you can set the page margins. I agree with Jeff's findings. I set the "Indent each gen" to .3" and the left margin to 1.25 inches. When the .rtf Report is opened in Word of OO, the first generation is indented about 1.25" fom the left margin, Each subsequent generation is correctly indented .3" from the previous one. When I set the page margin (in Legacy) to 0, the first generation was very close to the left edge of the page. I then tried with a margin of .5" and left the indent at .3" and this time the first generation was about .5" from the left margin. So it seems to be that Legacy is adding an indent equal to the Left Margin setting to the paragraphs of the first generation, but whatever the margin is set at, the first generation paragraphs should align to the Left Margin without indent. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
On Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400, "jeffma...@orthohelp.com" wrote: >Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in Word. >The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only about 0.25" from >left margin - which is reasonable. It is only when using the rtf imported >into Word that the indents get to be unnecessarily excessive. > >When I open the rtf in Word I see that the left margin is set at 1" (which >is OK) but the first generation line is set at 0.85" beyond that (which is >too much for a first line). If I correct that first generation indent by >reducing it, it unfortunately only corrects that one line. All the >following generation lines below it are indented progressively greater >specific amounts (1.15", etc.). Their indents are not relative to the first >indent but relative to the left margin. So correcting the indents in Word >necessitates correcting each and every paragraph one at a time which is not >practical. Have you tried "Indent each gen: x.x inches" on the Options tab? And on Options > Report Options > Page Setup you can set the page margins. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Jeff, I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to Open Office which is the WP I use. For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word. What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports > Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400 > > Thanks Mark > > That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the > "Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them, all I > have are 2 options: > a) Print Names in bold > b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line spacing, not > indents). > > Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page Layout are > for the amount of indent for the 1st generation. > > Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in Word. > The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only about 0.25" from > left margin - which is reasonable. It is only when using the rtf imported > into Word that the indents get to be unnecessarily excessive. > > When I open the rtf in Word I see that the left margin is set at 1" (which > is OK) but the first generation line is set at 0.85" beyond that (which is > too much for a first line). If I correct that first generation indent by > reducing it, it unfortunately only corrects that one line. All the > following generation lines below it are indented progressively greater > specific amounts (1.15", etc.). Their indents are not relative to the first > indent but relative to the left margin. So correcting the indents in Word > necessitates correcting each and every paragraph one at a time which is not > practical. > > The only thing that seems to work is to reduce the Word left margin to close > to 0 so that the indents take off from there. But reducing the margin to > close to "0" is not a reasonable or elegant way to work in Word. What would > be best would be to reduce each one of the indents that Legacy creates (to > what they are in the preview) and there seems to be no option to control > those indents for the "rtf". > > I am not sure why someone in Legacy thought it was a good idea to start the > first generation almost 1 inch to the right of the margin when creating an > rtf. It is probably a bug because it is different than what appears in the > preview. The first generation in the created rtf should logically start > closer to the left margin - like they do in the preview. > > Jeff > > Mark Lang wrote: >> Jeff, >> >> If you are referring to either the Ancestor and/or Descendant Reports >> in Reports> All Reports, are you aware that there is a tab labelled >> Page Layout where you can adjust the paragraph indents over 6 >> different paragraph types. You can always click the [Reset] button to >> return to the original settings. >> >> Also, once in Word, you can adjust anything in the RTF file as well. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Mark >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> Behalf Of jeffma...@orthohelp.com >>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports >>> >>> I am working on a descendency narrative report in Legacy Deluxe >>> 7.0.0.9. >>> >>> When I produce an RTF report and import it into Word, I notice that >>> Legacy >>> starts the very first generation already with an indent of over an >>> inch from the left margin. Is there a way to remove this indent so >>> that the first >>> generation starts closer to the left margin? >>> >>> Jeff >> _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Thanks Mark That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the "Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them, all I have are 2 options: a) Print Names in bold b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line spacing, not indents). Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page Layout are for the amount of indent for the 1st generation. Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in Word. The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only about 0.25" from left margin - which is reasonable. It is only when using the rtf imported into Word that the indents get to be unnecessarily excessive. When I open the rtf in Word I see that the left margin is set at 1" (which is OK) but the first generation line is set at 0.85" beyond that (which is too much for a first line). If I correct that first generation indent by reducing it, it unfortunately only corrects that one line. All the following generation lines below it are indented progressively greater specific amounts (1.15", etc.). Their indents are not relative to the first indent but relative to the left margin. So correcting the indents in Word necessitates correcting each and every paragraph one at a time which is not practical. The only thing that seems to work is to reduce the Word left margin to close to 0 so that the indents take off from there. But reducing the margin to close to "0" is not a reasonable or elegant way to work in Word. What would be best would be to reduce each one of the indents that Legacy creates (to what they are in the preview) and there seems to be no option to control those indents for the "rtf". I am not sure why someone in Legacy thought it was a good idea to start the first generation almost 1 inch to the right of the margin when creating an rtf. It is probably a bug because it is different than what appears in the preview. The first generation in the created rtf should logically start closer to the left margin - like they do in the preview. Jeff Mark Lang wrote: Jeff, If you are referring to either the Ancestor and/or Descendant Reports in Reports > All Reports, are you aware that there is a tab labelled Page Layout where you can adjust the paragraph indents over 6 different paragraph types. You can always click the [Reset] button to return to the original settings. Also, once in Word, you can adjust anything in the RTF file as well. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- Behalf Of jeffma...@orthohelp.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports I am working on a descendency narrative report in Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. When I produce an RTF report and import it into Word, I notice that Legacy starts the very first generation already with an indent of over an inch from the left margin. Is there a way to remove this indent so that the first generation starts closer to the left margin? Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Jeff, If you are referring to either the Ancestor and/or Descendant Reports in Reports > All Reports, are you aware that there is a tab labelled Page Layout where you can adjust the paragraph indents over 6 different paragraph types. You can always click the [Reset] button to return to the original settings. Also, once in Word, you can adjust anything in the RTF file as well. Kind Regards, Mark > -Original Message- > Behalf Of jeffma...@orthohelp.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports > > I am working on a descendency narrative report in Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. > > When I produce an RTF report and import it into Word, I notice that > Legacy > starts the very first generation already with an indent of over an inch > from the left margin. Is there a way to remove this indent so that the > first > generation starts closer to the left margin? > > Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
