Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Holand, As someone with a Mc surname, I obviously have thoughts on this. I always write my name McGlone, but my dad often writes his as Mc Glone, and just as often McGlone (my grandfather was registered on his baptismal cert as Maglone, but that's another matter)! There's no definitive standard that I'm aware of, and I believe it really depends on the individual. Just one other thing to be aware of, though. There are many Irish names (which is what I'm mostly concerned with) which can be spelt in any of 3 ways, e.g, McGuire, Mc Guire and Maguire are all different ways of writing the same name. Someone who has a surname with Mc at the beginning could often write it either way, but would rarely write it as Maguire, and vice versa. One other thing, which is probably unrelated, relates to alphabetisation. In the Irish phone book (and this is usually the same in other aspects of Irish life) all "Mc"/"Mac"/"Mc " surnames are treated as if they are spelt Mac, and are placed between Mab and Mad in alphabetical order. Hope this doesn't confuse too much! Regards, Dermot McGlone. -- Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html 2009/9/11 : > Mary & Ron: > > It looks like I have some work to do. Our local genealogical group > (Summit County, Ohio, USA) has put together an Excel spreadsheet of all > known veterans buried in Summit County cemeteries. I took on the task of > keeping it up-to-date and going through all of the entries make sure that > there was consistency. One big question in my mind were the names with Mc. > I decided, silly me, that if the name, as recorded, had a capital letter > after the Mc that I would separate the Mc but if the letter was a small > letter I would not (i.e., Mc Donald or Mcdonald). From what you are saying, > there should be no space no matter whether capital or not. > By the way, there are 63, 800+ names listed presently; not all with Mc > in them obviously. There are one British Army veteran and four Canadian > Armed Forces veterans along with veterans from Italy and Russia. > > Howland Davis > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Chick: I know there are purists who have their own rules about surname spellings (as baptized or per the earliest record, etc.), but that way lies database insanity. Most early records were written by church or military officials or census enumerators anyway, and I don't see anything sacred about their spelling so where there are wide variations I use my own "standard" version as the preferred. My source citations always quote text exactly as shown so the original spelling is preserved. And if many co-researchers use a different spelling for a certain individual then I add that as an aka so it will be found in database searches. I have one surname with over 120 variations--and don't even get me started on Acadian or French Canadian records! IMO a standardized spelling for variable surnames is the only way to maintain an orderly database. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Chick Lewis Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:50 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? WOW! I just learned another neat Legacy trick. Thanks Dave. I have several different spellings of Vanderberg (Vanderborg. Vandenburg etc) that I would like to sort under one spelling to make it easier to find duplicates etc. I realize that names should be entered as spelled, but with so many variations it is difficult to keep track of them all. I thought about using the AKA feature so they would be included in the index, but Dave's method appears to be easier. I also realize that some sort of note would have to be included so the original spelling is not lost. How do some of you handle this? Would appreciate some opinions... Chick On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Dave Naylor wrote: > It is so simple to go to the Master Surname List and scroll down to > M. Every unique surname beginning with M will be listed, and they > can be edited (once for all individuals with that spelling) and can > also be combined (where one has a space and another does not). There > is no reason to change records individually. > > Cheers, -- Dave N. > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
WOW! I just learned another neat Legacy trick. Thanks Dave. I have several different spellings of Vanderberg (Vanderborg. Vandenburg etc) that I would like to sort under one spelling to make it easier to find duplicates etc. I realize that names should be entered as spelled, but with so many variations it is difficult to keep track of them all. I thought about using the AKA feature so they would be included in the index, but Dave's method appears to be easier. I also realize that some sort of note would have to be included so the original spelling is not lost. How do some of you handle this? Would appreciate some opinions... Chick On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Dave Naylor wrote: > It is so simple to go to the Master Surname List and scroll down to > M. Every unique surname beginning with M will be listed, and they > can be edited (once for all individuals with that spelling) and can > also be combined (where one has a space and another does not). There > is no reason to change records individually. > > Cheers, -- Dave N. > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
To: Jim Smith, Actually, after sending that message, I recalled that when I was teaching probability as related to quality control (in a manufacturing enviroment), that before printed the certificates for the graduates I gave form to each student having the print their name as they wanted it on the certificate. The thinking being your name is YOU. Forget what others expect. Art Seddon - Original Message - From: Jim Smith To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? -To: ased...@artseddon.com I seem to remember from English classes (back in the dark ages) that the way a person spells their name and pronounces their name is the is the correct way to spell and pronounce that individual's name. Using a space after Mc will, of course, affect the way the name sorts. Other than sorting, would it cause a problem? Jim - Original Message - From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" To: Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? If my ancestor Alexander Mc Dougal always signed his name 'wrong' his whole life, does that make it right? Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Ron; If you are wanting to change all of the "Mc " with "Mc---", would it not be simpler to do a search for "Mc " and replace with "Mc"? That's how I did it a couple of years ago and it had no problem searching for the space. Art Seddon - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:46 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? Howland, It should be easy enough for you to change, using Search>Search and Replace. Search for "Mc Donald" and replace with "McDonald" - I guess that you may have to do something similar for MacDonald as well btw. Use the settings to ensure the criteria is exactly as you wish eg. I think it will have to be case sensitive and you will have to use "Exact". Good luck, Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: howlanddavi...@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:37:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > CC: howlanddavi...@aol.com > > > > > > > > > Mary & Ron: > > > > It looks like I have some work to do. Our > local genealogical group (Summit County, Ohio, USA) has put together an Excel > spreadsheet of all known veterans buried in Summit County cemeteries. > I took on the task of keeping it up-to-date and going through all of the > entries make sure that there was consistency. One big question > in my mind were the names with Mc. I decided, silly me, that if the name, > as recorded, had a capital letter after the Mc that I would separate the > Mc but if the letter was a small letter I would not (i.e., Mc Donald or > Mcdonald). From what you are saying, there should be no space no matter > whether capital or not. > > By the way, there are 63, 800+ names listed > presently; not all with Mc in them obviously. There are one British Army > veteran and four Canadian Armed Forces veterans along with veterans from Italy > and Russia. > > > > Howland Davis > _ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.L Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
I regret that I had forgotten about the Surname Master List. Thank you for the reminder - I'm sure they heard you in Asia. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: dcnay...@bell.net > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:19:30 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? > > On 11 Sep 2009 ronald ferguson wrote: > >> Nobody is stopping anyone from from doing it maunually, it rather >> depends on how may you have to replace doesn't it? > > NO!! Not in a Legacy database. > > No matter how many there are there is only one Master Surname entry > for each spelling. So there in only one entry to be changed. > > If this discussion is not about a Legacy database then IMHO it's off > topic for this list. > > Cheers, -- Dave N. > -- > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. > --- > > > _ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
The problems with leaving some with a space and others without a space are probably no different than the multitudes of European surnames that were "Americanized" during the late 1800s and early 1900s. For example, many HANSENS were changed by the children to HANSON. In such cases, the parents get sorted apart from the children. Not really much of a problem to deal with other than to remember to look in two different places when searching for someone. A worst case scenario would exist where an individual spelled it one way during his early years but then changed during his adult years. I tend to leave the spelling of the surnames just as the individual would have spelled it. Its not nice to fool mother nature. Brian (the other Brian) -Original Message- From: Jim Smith [mailto:jor...@windstream.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? I seem to remember from English classes (back in the dark ages) that the way a person spells their name and pronounces their name is the is the correct way to spell and pronounce that individual's name. Using a space after Mc will, of course, affect the way the name sorts. Other than sorting, would it cause a problem? Jim - Original Message - From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" To: Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? If my ancestor Alexander Mc Dougal always signed his name 'wrong' his whole life, does that make it right? Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
On 11 Sep 2009 ronald ferguson wrote: > Nobody is stopping anyone from from doing it maunually, it rather > depends on how may you have to replace doesn't it? NO!! Not in a Legacy database. No matter how many there are there is only one Master Surname entry for each spelling. So there in only one entry to be changed. If this discussion is not about a Legacy database then IMHO it's off topic for this list. Cheers, -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
I seem to remember from English classes (back in the dark ages) that the way a person spells their name and pronounces their name is the is the correct way to spell and pronounce that individual's name. Using a space after Mc will, of course, affect the way the name sorts. Other than sorting, would it cause a problem? Jim - Original Message - From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" To: Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? If my ancestor Alexander Mc Dougal always signed his name 'wrong' his whole life, does that make it right? Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Because they're talking about a spreadsheet, not a Legacy database. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy - Original Message - *From:* "Dave Naylor" *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Sent:* 09/12/2009 6:41:34 AM +1200 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? On 11 Sep 2009 Paul Ramshaw wrote: Of course, there will be other Mc's besides McDonalds. So maybe you want to search and replace "Mc " with "Mc" and "Mac " with "Mac". (But I'd want to check that process one by one probably.) Why is Search & Replace even being suggested!? It is so simple to go to the Master Surname List and scroll down to M. Every unique surname beginning with M will be listed, and they can be edited (once for all individuals with that spelling) and can also be combined (where one has a space and another does not). There is no reason to change records individually. Cheers, -- Dave N. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Dave, Nobody is stopping anyone from from doing it maunually, it rather depends on how may you have to replace doesn't it? Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: dcnay...@bell.net > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:41:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? > > On 11 Sep 2009 Paul Ramshaw wrote: > >> Of course, there will be other Mc's besides McDonalds. So maybe you >> want to search and replace "Mc " with "Mc" and "Mac " with "Mac". (But >> I'd want to check that process one by one probably.) > > Why is Search & Replace even being suggested!? > > It is so simple to go to the Master Surname List and scroll down to > M. Every unique surname beginning with M will be listed, and they > can be edited (once for all individuals with that spelling) and can > also be combined (where one has a space and another does not). There > is no reason to change records individually. > > Cheers, -- Dave N. > -- > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. > --- > _ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
On 11 Sep 2009 Paul Ramshaw wrote: > Of course, there will be other Mc's besides McDonalds. So maybe you > want to search and replace "Mc " with "Mc" and "Mac " with "Mac". (But > I'd want to check that process one by one probably.) Why is Search & Replace even being suggested!? It is so simple to go to the Master Surname List and scroll down to M. Every unique surname beginning with M will be listed, and they can be edited (once for all individuals with that spelling) and can also be combined (where one has a space and another does not). There is no reason to change records individually. Cheers, -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Of course, there will be other Mc's besides McDonalds. So maybe you want to search and replace "Mc " with "Mc" and "Mac " with "Mac". (But I'd want to check that process one by one probably.)
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Thank you everyone for your opinions, especially from Scotlan! I believe I've always entered them without a space, so was surprised to see any WITH a space. They may have come in an import, though. I'm going with NO space. --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/11/09, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: > From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:37 AM > If my ancestor Alexander Mc Dougal > always signed his name 'wrong' his whole life, does that > make it right? > Rich in LA CA > > > > - Original Message > From: Michele Lewis > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34:21 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? > > I disagree with Mary Slawson on this one (I have her book > and I like it). People who have a Mc last name do not put a > space when they write it. > > michele > > - Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:40 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? > > > > Kirsten Bowman wrote > >> _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends > leaving a space. > > > > I am amazed, I would have said that inserting a > space between Mc or Mac > > and the rest of the name was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! > > -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
If my ancestor Alexander Mc Dougal always signed his name 'wrong' his whole life, does that make it right? Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Michele Lewis To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34:21 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? I disagree with Mary Slawson on this one (I have her book and I like it). People who have a Mc last name do not put a space when they write it. michele - Original Message - From: "Jenny M Benson" To: Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? > Kirsten Bowman wrote >> _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. > > I am amazed, I would have said that inserting a space between Mc or Mac > and the rest of the name was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! > -- Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Howland, It should be easy enough for you to change, using Search>Search and Replace. Search for "Mc Donald" and replace with "McDonald" - I guess that you may have to do something similar for MacDonald as well btw. Use the settings to ensure the criteria is exactly as you wish eg. I think it will have to be case sensitive and you will have to use "Exact". Good luck, Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: howlanddavi...@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:37:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard? > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > CC: howlanddavi...@aol.com > > > > > > > > > Mary & Ron: > > > > It looks like I have some work to do. Our > local genealogical group (Summit County, Ohio, USA) has put together an Excel > spreadsheet of all known veterans buried in Summit County cemeteries. > I took on the task of keeping it up-to-date and going through all of the > entries make sure that there was consistency. One big question > in my mind were the names with Mc. I decided, silly me, that if the name, > as recorded, had a capital letter after the Mc that I would separate the > Mc but if the letter was a small letter I would not (i.e., Mc Donald or > Mcdonald). From what you are saying, there should be no space no matter > whether capital or not. > > By the way, there are 63, 800+ names listed > presently; not all with Mc in them obviously. There are one British Army > veteran and four Canadian Armed Forces veterans along with veterans from Italy > and Russia. > > > > Howland Davis > _ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames With Mc Standard?
Mary & Ron: It looks like I have some work to do. Our local genealogical group (Summit County, Ohio, USA) has put together an Excel spreadsheet of all known veterans buried in Summit County cemeteries. I took on the task of keeping it up-to-date and going through all of the entries make sure that there was consistency. One big question in my mind were the names with Mc. I decided, silly me, that if the name, as recorded, had a capital letter after the Mc that I would separate the Mc but if the letter was a small letter I would not (i.e., Mc Donald or Mcdonald). From what you are saying, there should be no space no matter whether capital or not. By the way, there are 63, 800+ names listed presently; not all with Mc in them obviously. There are one British Army veteran and four Canadian Armed Forces veterans along with veterans from Italy and Russia. Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
I disagree with Mary Slawson on this one (I have her book and I like it). People who have a Mc last name do not put a space when they write it. michele - Original Message - From: "Jenny M Benson" To: Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? Kirsten Bowman wrote _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. I am amazed, I would have said that inserting a space between Mc or Mac and the rest of the name was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Thank you, Mary. I have been waiting for you to come in with a definitive answer from Scotland! Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:07:32 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? > From: m...@cmy.org.uk > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > >> _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. > > SHE GOT IT WRONG!! > > Mary Young > Edinburgh, Scotland > > _ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
> _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. SHE GOT IT WRONG!! Mary Young Edinburgh, Scotland Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Kirsten Bowman wrote _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. I am amazed, I would have said that inserting a space between Mc or Mac and the rest of the name was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Well, as someone with a Maiden Name that starts with Mc - here is my rant. (ignore if you like.) I personally always hated it when someone put a space in my name. Drove me crazy! I also hated it if people got the capitalization wrong. Even if someone was doing all-caps, I would do that c little and I hated it when people had it in caps. (Hey, in typing class (back in the old days of typewriters...) - in timed tests - I would take the time to roll the paper to superscript the c) So - I would personally say - never, never, never put a space in. I don't think that people with a name with a Mc tend to put a space in when they use it. That said - I don't think there is a standard > What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with "Mc".. leave > a > space or not? For example, "Mc Dowell" or "McDowell"...? >
RE: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Paula: _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. Because I post my database at RootsWeb though, I use the version with no space as an alternate name. Otherwise RootsWeb searches for McDowell won't find Mc Dowell. That's likely to re-start the "not a true aka" discussion, but it's the way I do it. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with "Mc".. leave a space or not? For example, "Mc Dowell" or "McDowell"...? In looking for ALL CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the "Mc" names both ways. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
I believe the dash indicates Mac. As for Spaces, I am chicken, I find my McNeills frequently as Mc Neill which I think is a bureaucrats way of doing it. Eliz On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM, GeoSci wrote: > I have (RARELY) seen a dash under the c (not sure how to even type it) > but nospace. > > Keith > > Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry > > Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 > EMail: geosc...@gmail.com > McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Paula Ryburn > wrote: >> What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with "Mc".. leave a >> space or not? For example, "Mc Dowell" or "McDowell"...? In looking for >> ALL CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the "Mc" names >> both ways. >> Thanks, >> --Paula in Texas >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> >> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Both may be correct! or neither! Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Paula Ryburn To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:54:56 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with "Mc".. leave a space or not? For example, "Mc Dowell" or "McDowell"...? In looking for ALL CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the "Mc" names both ways. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
I have (RARELY) seen a dash under the c (not sure how to even type it) but nospace. Keith Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: geosc...@gmail.com McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: > What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with "Mc".. leave a > space or not? For example, "Mc Dowell" or "McDowell"...? In looking for ALL > CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the "Mc" names both > ways. > Thanks, > --Paula in Texas > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
No space my whole life! Can't recall seeing a space in over 2000 ancestors on the McKain side... Keith McKain Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: geosc...@gmail.com McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: > What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with "Mc".. leave a > space or not? For example, "Mc Dowell" or "McDowell"...? In looking for ALL > CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the "Mc" names both > ways. > Thanks, > --Paula in Texas > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
