Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Oh, yes, completely agreed on that, Ron. I would only use corrective brackets in the notes field, which is where I place the transcription of the whole family. Janis On 10/3/09 6:32 PM, "Ron Ferguson" wrote: > Personally, I do not like anything in a name field other than a quoted name > in the given name field. > > If "sic" or anything else in brackets or otherwise is added to the surname > field then (a) it will > not show where you wish in an index and (b) it will not be included in a > surname search. > > In my view AKAs and Notes should be used in order to maintain the integrity > of the name fields. > > Ron Ferguson > _ > > New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website > http://www.fergys.co.uk > Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw > http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ > For The Fergusons of N.W. England > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ > > > Janis L Gilmore wrote: >>> Mary, >>> >>> I agree with those who have advised you that accepted >>> historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you >>> see. You never know how it might come into play later. >>> >>> As an alternate to using "sic" in brackets, it is also appropriate >>> to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended >>> to be or should have been. >>> >>> Brackets are the universal symbol for "I'm adding something here of >>> an editorial nature, and it was not in the original." >>> >>> Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Whenever I find any errors, I transcribe exactly whate was written, the put [ ] around the correct (IMHO) information. That is the only thing I use them for, so whenever I see [ ] I know what they mean. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Mary Horner To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:34:46 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors? When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Personally, I do not like anything in a name field other than a quoted name in the given name field. If "sic" or anything else in brackets or otherwise is added to the surname field then (a) it will not show where you wish in an index and (b) it will not be included in a surname search. In my view AKAs and Notes should be used in order to maintain the integrity of the name fields. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Janis L Gilmore wrote: Mary, I agree with those who have advised you that accepted historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you see. You never know how it might come into play later. As an alternate to using "sic" in brackets, it is also appropriate to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended to be or should have been. Brackets are the universal symbol for "I'm adding something here of an editorial nature, and it was not in the original." Janis Walker Gilmore On 10/3/09 3:34 AM, "Mary Horner" wrote: When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Jenny M Benson wrote: Mary Horner wrote When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! The "rule" is that you always enter exactly what you see, not what you think it ought to be. I know in this case it is 99.999% certain that what you are seeing is "wrong" (don't forget that until quite recently spelling was very fluid and people weren't too bothered about it) but even so you should enter it in Legacy as it is written. You can always add a note about the variation in spelling and why you believe this "Joe Blogs" to be the same person as the "Joe Bloggs" of your records if you think it is necessary. I would add a little clarification to your first statement. The so-called "rule" that you quote, is what transcribers are told to do. This accounts for a lot of what people term as "errors" in various indexes and transcriptions. Simply, they're not errors. Just the best interpretation of what was written. Your personal knowledge is what turns these interpretations into errors. I think common sense (an oxymoron if ever there was one) should be the main guide. If you're copying a transcription, then copy it exactly as you find it. Add your own interpretive notes and, if at all possible, get hold of a copy of the original and make your own transcription from it. Remember, in Legacy you've always got that poorly-designed "Surety" value to rate the level of personal confidence you have in any piece of data. One transcription can always be rated higher than another. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Mary, I agree with those who have advised you that accepted historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you see. You never know how it might come into play later. As an alternate to using "sic" in brackets, it is also appropriate to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended to be or should have been. Brackets are the universal symbol for "I'm adding something here of an editorial nature, and it was not in the original." Janis Walker Gilmore On 10/3/09 3:34 AM, "Mary Horner" wrote: > When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, > or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made > errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is > actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My > family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is > related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going > back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never > have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 > generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the > enumerator was my great-grandfather! > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
I record it exactly has the censustaker wrote it. If I know it is wrong, then I put it as an AKA. I do not use what the transcriber wrote. I look at the census myself and write what I see. michele - Original Message - From: "Mary Horner" To: Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:34 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors? When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2411 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Mary Horner wrote When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! The "rule" is that you always enter exactly what you see, not what you think it ought to be. I know in this case it is 99.999% certain that what you are seeing is "wrong" (don't forget that until quite recently spelling was very fluid and people weren't too bothered about it) but even so you should enter it in Legacy as it is written. You can always add a note about the variation in spelling and why you believe this "Joe Blogs" to be the same person as the "Joe Bloggs" of your records if you think it is necessary. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
There's not only errors in the actual census records, but if you've ever done a search at Ancestry.com the indexes are worse. That's why I always transcribe from the records myself even though it does help to put the misspellings as an alternate name just in case the misspellings are consistent in other records. Bill -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Mary Horner Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors? When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Whenever I am entering verbatim from a source where the spelling is incorrect I follow it with [sic] which acknowledges the incorrect spelling as opposed to a typing error. If it is a census record, I would note in the beginning "Smith incorrectly transcribed/enumerated as 'Smyth' ' or something like that. If possible, I also send in a correction(Ancestry.com has such a program.) Virginia Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
