Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
Margaret Wilkinson wrote: ''you're the only person who has taken time to write that they miss it!'' Not so Sherry. I used the 'Suggest a new feature' in Legacy itself to write about this issue some weeks ago. I did not have a reply. I used the append multiple sources frequently in Version 6, and miss it from Version 7. It was very easy to use, e.g. a husband and wife appear together in 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census. Load the details and image of the relevant census on the old source clipboard. Assign them to relevant family members in one stroke. Any children can also use the same clipboard, not forgetting to delete any that don't apply after children have left home as well. (a couple of extra strokes, I know, but well worth the hassle of going back and forth) There is a source perhaps for name, date and place of birth, relationship to mother, father, etc, all contained in one source clipboard, loaded with the 5 census details. I agree that it is sorely missed. There are a few comments that I have read from people who do not know how to use it, they think it it is too complicated or unnecessary - well they don't have to use it, do they? Bring it back, please!! Margaret rant I think the basic problem is that people who are unhappy with a feature or do not understand it are way more likely to complain about it than the people who use and love it are likely to write and praise it. For every complainer there are usually a hundred who accept that that is the way it should be and have no reason to mention it, until it is taken away because of a handful of complainers. This phenomenon is not restricted to Millenia. The squeaky wheel gets the most grease syndrome is accepted business practice in too many companies. Before a company removes any feature that customers have paid for it would be a sensible thing to survey the customer base as a whole rather than rely on a handful of whiners who, as we have seen, will never be totally happy. This would apply to any business venture, not just Millenia. I hope that in the future Millenia will post the question on the list before removing any feature based on a few complaints. As I stated, people who are happy with a feature are usually the silent majority. /rant -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
How do you know they all appear without entering them one at a time? Do you add them all to the same event? Also, these appear to be different events, in my opinion, so shouldn't carry the same source. I do have events where I've learned the same information from different sources, so these events carry more than one source. But I work with only one source at a time, so wouldn't ever be entering more than one source at a time. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Margaret Wilkinson It was very easy to use, e.g. a husband and wife appear together in 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census. Load the details and image of the relevant census on the old source clipboard. Assign them to relevant family members in one stroke. Any children can also use the same clipboard, not forgetting to delete any that don't apply after children have left home as well. (a couple of extra strokes, I know, but well worth the hassle of going back and forth) There is a source perhaps for name, date and place of birth, relationship to mother, father, etc, all contained in one source clipboard, loaded with the 5 census details. I agree that it is sorely missed. There are a few comments that I have read from people who do not know how to use it, they think it it is too complicated or unnecessary - well they don't have to use it, do they? Bring it back, please!! Margaret [LegacyUG] re: appending ? J B Coats Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:15:44 -0700 Below is my exchange concerning the use of the source clipboard v7 vs. v6. Another point concerning the 'extra key strokes' of adding one source at a time from the possible 10 that can be added is 3 per source. If you had 4 sources you would have 12 strokes for each individual that needed these same sources. Whereas from the v6 you would load up to 5 and add them all at once. I believe that using the option 'ALT 3 routine would cause more problems. Currently it would add ALL the sources in your clipboard for EVERY data field that was not blank. I believe that the better solution would be to change the function of the 'ALT 3' routine would be to add ALL the sources in your clipboard to ONLY the ONE field that you desired to source. This would provide the best of this source routine actions from both v7 v6. till later _J_B_ J B Coats -- = - Original Message - From: Sherry/Support To: Sent: Thursday, 19 June, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: RE: Legacy Suggestion Report I'll pass your comments on to the programmers. I never did figure out a way to use the multiple sources and you're the only person who has taken time to write that they miss it! Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Legacy Suggestion Report SuggestionReport: 0 Category:Legacy 7.0 Features Subject:Adding multi Sources to single individule b. d. m. etc Suggestion:The following is an LUG exchange concerning the loss to using the multi source feature in V6 deluxe. I agree that the V6 ability to add multi sources to a single item [like birth] was very good. Example, you have located a family on multi census records and want to use one clipboard click to add all the different sources to a single item [like birth] It's loss is already missed. - With the change in V7, now you have to quick load each source to the clipboard and then click again to add it to a single item [like birth] The other new button [or ALT-3] added is to add a single source to 'EVERY' item that is other than blank [like name,birth,bap,death,burial] which it really ..OVERKILL. Why not allow this same button add all the up to 5 sources to a single highlighted item [like birth] So far I have not located how to ASSIGN MORE THAN ONE SOURCE AT A TIME There seems to be no way to accomplish this feature. I have been using the Help file for Clipboard Sources [5-1182] which apprarently STILL need corrections. Any assistance/comments would be appreciated Thanks till later _J_B_ [V7.0.0.45 deluxe] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message - Sent: Sunday, 08 June, 2008 6:10 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7 clipboard use I guess I'm the weird one because I liked the 5 tabs. Now I will have to master the 'save and load' feature. I think the '5 tabs' are mentioned in the V7 Manual. Original Message- Sent: Saturday, 07 June, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7 clipboard use Bring up the source detail is behaving as it always has. In other words, when the clipboard button is clicked, you have already assigned the master source, and now you just need to enter the detail information. Maybe you haven't yet set the clipboard with the master source. Click on the top button to do
RE: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
Gene, I could not disagree with you more. No software company, be it Millenia, Microsoft, or any other company has any obligation to let the customers decide how the software should be developed. You, me, and all of the other folks who purchased Legacy purchased the software, not specific options in the software and not the rights to decide what should and should not be available in the software. We definitely can voice our opinions, but Millenia and any other software developer has no obligation to let the people decide where the developments/sales of the software heads. If you feel that is your right, then you need to purchase stock in the company - purchasing a copy of the software does not count. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gene Young Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:52 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ? rant I think the basic problem is that people who are unhappy with a feature or do not understand it are way more likely to complain about it than the people who use and love it are likely to write and praise it. For every complainer there are usually a hundred who accept that that is the way it should be and have no reason to mention it, until it is taken away because of a handful of complainers. This phenomenon is not restricted to Millenia. The squeaky wheel gets the most grease syndrome is accepted business practice in too many companies. Before a company removes any feature that customers have paid for it would be a sensible thing to survey the customer base as a whole rather than rely on a handful of whiners who, as we have seen, will never be totally happy. This would apply to any business venture, not just Millenia. I hope that in the future Millenia will post the question on the list before removing any feature based on a few complaints. As I stated, people who are happy with a feature are usually the silent majority. /rant -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
Ron Bernier wrote: Gene, I could not disagree with you more. No software company, be it Millenia, Microsoft, or any other company has any obligation to let the customers decide how the software should be developed. You, me, and all of the other folks who purchased Legacy purchased the software, not specific options in the software and not the rights to decide what should and should not be available in the software. We definitely can voice our opinions, but Millenia and any other software developer has no obligation to let the people decide where the developments/sales of the software heads. If you feel that is your right, then you need to purchase stock in the company - purchasing a copy of the software does not count. I did not say anything about obligation, just good business practice. Base decisions on what will please and accommodate the most users, not just a few. If the majority say dump it, ok. But, if more people want it, it just makes good business sense to keep it. I think this subject has run its course and is back in Millenia's ball park. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
I would beg to differ... If I buy a certain software package because of a particular way it does a certain thing and it works properly and then I buy the next upgrade and find that it has changed the way that certain function works I have a perfect right to feel somewhat less than warm and fuzzy about the company producing it and make those feelings public so that others are informed of the change and can avoid error of upgrading if they want that certain feature. Companies who do not heed the complaints of their customers do so at their their own risk. - Original Message From: Ron Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:08:13 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] re: appending ? Gene, I could not disagree with you more. No software company, be it Millenia, Microsoft, or any other company has any obligation to let the customers decide how the software should be developed. You, me, and all of the other folks who purchased Legacy purchased the software, not specific options in the software and not the rights to decide what should and should not be available in the software. We definitely can voice our opinions, but Millenia and any other software developer has no obligation to let the people decide where the developments/sales of the software heads. If you feel that is your right, then you need to purchase stock in the company - purchasing a copy of the software does not count. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
Why are you sending me all of these emails? (25 this morning alone) FMS Publisher's Rep, Inc Fred Stanley P.O. Box 30527 Midwest City, OK 73140 405.741.3733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Fri, 9/5/08, J B Coats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J B Coats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] re: appending ? To: Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED], LegacyUserGroup LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:48 AM Below is my exchange concerning the use of the source clipboardv7 vs. v6. Another point concerning the 'extra key strokes' of adding one source at a time from the possible 10 that can be added is 3 per source. If you had 4 sources you would have 12 strokes for each individual that needed these same sources. Whereas from the v6 you would load up to 5 and add them all at once. I believe that using the option 'ALT 3 routine would cause more problems. Currently it would add ALL the sources in your clipboard for EVERY data field that was not blank. I believe that the better solution would be to change the function of the 'ALT 3' routine would be to add ALL the sources in your clipboard to ONLY the ONE field that you desired to source. This would provide the best of this source routine actions from both v7 v6. till later _J_B_ J B Coats -- = - Original Message - From: Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 June, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: RE: Legacy Suggestion Report I'll pass your comments on to the programmers. I never did figure out a way to use the multiple sources and you're the only person who has taken time to write that they miss it! Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Legacy Suggestion Report SuggestionReport: 0 Category:Legacy 7.0 Features Subject:Adding multi Sources to single individule b. d. m. etc Suggestion:The following is an LUG exchange concerning the loss to using the multi source feature in V6 deluxe. I agree that the V6 ability to add multi sources to a single item [like birth] was very good. Example, you have located a family on multi census records and want to use one clipboard click to add all the different sources to a single item [like birth] It's loss is already missed. - With the change in V7, now you have to quick load each source to the clipboard and then click again to add it to a single item [like birth] The other new button [or ALT-3] added is to add a single source to 'EVERY' item that is other than blank [like name,birth,bap,death,burial] which it really ..OVERKILL. Why not allow this same button add all the up to 5 sources to a single highlighted item [like birth] So far I have not located how to ASSIGN MORE THAN ONE SOURCE AT A TIME There seems to be no way to accomplish this feature. I have been using the Help file for Clipboard Sources [5-1182] which apprarently STILL need corrections. Any assistance/comments would be appreciated Thankstill later _J_B_ [V7.0.0.45 deluxe] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message - Sent: Sunday, 08 June, 2008 6:10 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7 clipboard use I guess I'm the weird one because I liked the 5 tabs. Now I will have to master the 'save and load' feature. I think the '5 tabs' are mentioned in the V7 Manual. Original Message- Sent: Saturday, 07 June, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7 clipboard use Bring up the source detail is behaving as it always has. In other words, when the clipboard button is clicked, you have already assigned the master source, and now you just need to enter the detail information. Maybe you haven't yet set the clipboard with the master source. Click on the top button to do this first. Regarding the 5 different tabs. We actually removed this because 1) it was hardly used; 2) when it was used, people thought it was supposed to do something else. Anyways, it was just way too confusing. We've had many people now thank us for removing this. You can still save/load clipboards using the save/load buttons. It is these buttons that most people wanted, and they perform the functions that users thought the 5 tabs were supposed to perform. Geoff Rasmussen Original Message- Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:39 AM When I select to arrow to use the clipboard, it goes directly to 'Add Source Detail'. I cannot find where to access the 5 tabs to add 5 different sources. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
Re: [LegacyUG] re: appending ?
Fred Stanley wrote: Why are you sending me all of these emails? (25 this morning alone) Because the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been subscribed to the list. To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Only you can unsubscribe. Do it and quit moaning. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
