RE: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Renee Zamora]

I wouldn't worry about marking the end of a male line in your database.  When 
Legacy 7 comes out you could create a chart of all male descendants.  It would 
be easy then to see if there are any living males still around. Renee 
Zamorawww.harrisena.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:10:47 -0400> From: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] 
Family Name History> > OT> > But I would gladly acknowledge and pay for DNA to 
prove  a male> existed after my brother and a cousin for my direct line on 
either> mother's or father's line. There are other males but all born to> 
daughters.> > Smiles,> Marilyn> > On 8/23/07, Mike Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:> > Karl Plenge wrote:> > >  > When one wants to "mark" a certain line as 
"ended" because of no male> > > heirs, etc.  where does one put this notation?> 
> > I was thinking as putting "End of Male Line" as a "child" - but, for me> > 
> that would "mess up" my names list (which I like to keep as "clean" as> > > 
possible).> > > Any suggestions???> > > Have you unlocked the real power of 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Paul A.]

One point is that one of my own brother's is 61 this year.  He found out
about two years ago that he had a daughter he never knew about and through
her he had a granddaughter and a grandson.  The grandson turned 15 last
week.   Just goes to show that we never know for sure.  DNA proved it and
also proved it on another brother when a woman wanted to sell him his
"grandson" for 300K.  We thought we would lose my brother to massive
coronary.  LOL  But, DNA proved it true but, he filed for custody and now
raises the grandson when we thought it was the "end of branch".

-- 
Paul

"What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and
ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
CSA


But I would gladly acknowledge and pay for DNA to prove  a male
existed after my brother and a cousin for my direct line on either
mother's or father's line. There are other males but all born to
daughters.

Smiles,
Marilyn



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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Paul A.]

Mike, 

That is a good point to be taken.  I have been reading with interest about
signifying the end of a line.  But, How many times in our research have we
turned up children that no one ever knew existed?

Thanks for the thought.

-- 
Paul



You might want to be be a little less precise - No Known or Acknowledged 
male Descendants. Covers all bases.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[marilyn E B]

OT

But I would gladly acknowledge and pay for DNA to prove  a male
existed after my brother and a cousin for my direct line on either
mother's or father's line. There are other males but all born to
daughters.

Smiles,
Marilyn

On 8/23/07, Mike Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Karl Plenge wrote:
> >  > When one wants to "mark" a certain line as "ended" because of no male
> > heirs, etc.  where does one put this notation?
> > I was thinking as putting "End of Male Line" as a "child" - but, for me
> > that would "mess up" my names list (which I like to keep as "clean" as
> > possible).
> > Any suggestions???


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

Karl Plenge wrote:
 > When one wants to "mark" a certain line as "ended" because of no male 
heirs, etc.  where does one put this notation?
I was thinking as putting "End of Male Line" as a "child" - but, for me 
that would "mess up" my names list (which I like to keep as "clean" as 
possible).

Any suggestions???
 
 
I like Marilyn's idea of NMD = No Male Descendants.
 
I place my similar "markers" in Title Suffix where you would normally 
put Sr, Jr, MD, etc.


You might want to be be a little less precise - No Known or Acknowledged 
male Descendants. Covers all bases.


--
Regards,
Mike Fry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Karl Plenge]

> When one wants to "mark" a certain line as "ended" because of no male heirs, 
> etc.  where does one put this notation?
I was thinking as putting "End of Male Line" as a "child" - but, for me that 
would "mess up" my names list (which I like to keep as "clean" as possible).
Any suggestions???


I like Marilyn's idea of NMD = No Male Descendants.

I place my similar "markers" in Title Suffix where you would normally put Sr, 
Jr, MD, etc.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[TaylorResearch4u]

When one wants to "mark" a certain line as "ended" because of no male  heirs, 
etc.  where does one put this notation?
I was thinking as putting "End of Male Line" as a "child" - but, for me  that 
would "mess up" my names list (which I like to keep as "clean" as  possible).
Any suggestions???
Thanks & happy hunting...
Pami
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Karl Plenge]

How or do you mark lines that have no male descendents?

I have seen such lines referred to as "daughtered out", but if I was
using a code similar to what you describe, which I think I will, I
would might use NMD. Would this seem like
a good code to use for such lines?


That seems exactly right to me, I have never thought about tracking that, but it 
seems another good thing to do. 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[marilyn E B]

Karl,

How or do you mark lines that have no male descendents?

I have seen such lines referred to as "daughtered out", but if I was
using a code similar to what you describe, which I think I will, I
would might use NMD. Would this seem like
a good code to use for such lines?

Smiles,
Marilyn

On 8/23/07, Karl Plenge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Karl, this is a great hint!  Do you use the EOB for both the male
> surname
> > and female MaidenName -- or just the EOB for for the male surname?
>
> I put EOB on everyone who is the end of a branch (ie descendant of one of my
> ancestors).  I don't tag their spouse because they are not blood related.  I
> put EOB in the Title Suffix box where you would normally put Sr, Jr, III,
> MD, PhD, etc.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Karl Plenge]

> Thanks, Karl, this is a great hint!  Do you use the EOB for both the male 
> surname
> and female MaidenName -- or just the EOB for for the male surname?

I put EOB on everyone who is the end of a branch (ie descendant of one of my 
ancestors).  I don't tag their spouse because they are not blood related.  I 
put EOB in the Title Suffix box where you would normally put Sr, Jr, III, MD, 
PhD, etc.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mark Wilson]

- Original Message - 
From: Karl Plenge 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 Aug 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History
> What does EOB stand for ???

EOB = End of Branch - the last living descendant in a line - when they die, 
there are no more living descendants of that particular line.

Then I go back "upstream" and tag all their ancestors "NLD" = No Living 
Descendants until I get far enough up that someone does have living 
descendants. 
This way I can easily tell from family view on any family which members still 
have living descendants today that I might try to track down, and which ones I 
can "close the book" on.

Thanks, Karl, this is a great hint!  Do you use the EOB for both the male 
surname
and female MaidenName -- or just the EOB for for the male surname? 


Best Regards,
Mark Wilson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Rick Greathouse]

Folks, you are greasing the squeaky wheel and giving the nitpickers exactly
what they want... ATTENTION...

Just ignore the nitpickers and maybe they will move onto another user group
where they will be given the attention that they desire.



On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  LET'S STOP WITH THIS MORONIC NIT-PICKING!!!
> We're supposed to be adults yet - some people in this group (no names will
> be mentioned) are acting as if they are still in elementary school.
> Sorry - I had to vent... This is supposed to be a group dedicated to
> Legacy where users can share experiences, ask questions and learn more about
> the programme.
>
> Thanks
> Pami Taylor
>
> Main Lines: TAYLOR, RICHARDS (Welsh), LIPPINCOTT, KIRKBRIDE and all
> related & inter-related lines (too many to mention).
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[TaylorResearch4u]

LET'S STOP WITH THIS MORONIC NIT-PICKING!!! 
We're supposed to be adults yet - some people in this group (no names will  
be mentioned) are acting as if they are still in elementary school.
Sorry - I had to vent... This is supposed to be a group dedicated to Legacy  
where users can share experiences, ask questions and learn more about the  
programme.
 
Thanks
Pami Taylor
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Karl Plenge]

What does EOB stand for ???


EOB = End of Branch - the last living descendant in a line - when they die, 
there are no more living descendants of that particular line.


Then I go back "upstream" and tag all their ancestors "NLD" = No Living 
Descendants until I get far enough up that someone does have living descendants. 
This way I can easily tell from family view on any family which members still 
have living descendants today that I might try to track down, and which ones I 
can "close the book" on. 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Gene Young]

Valeris Garton wrote:

Sorry t0o be so dumb but what does EOB stand for ???

I know I will say " Oh of course when I get the answer.



When I reach the end of a branch (a person who died with no
descendants), I put 
EOB in the Title Suffix box so that when I am looking at various charts


EOB  = end of a branch

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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Dermot McGlone]

Valerie,

It took me a while to figure this out, too, but I think it's End of Branch.

Regards,

Dermot.

P.S. Enjoy your trip to Ireland. The weather here has started getting
a little better (by Irish standards, at least!) and is expected to be
dry and warm for the next week or two anyway.

On 22/08/07, Valeris Garton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry t0o be so dumb but what does EOB stand for ???
>
> I know I will say " Oh of course when I get the answer.
>
> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Valeris Garton]

Sorry t0o be so dumb but what does EOB stand for ???

I know I will say " Oh of course when I get the answer.

Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow &
Wexford 

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> When I have gone back as far as I can or as far as I want to (off 
> shoots that are no longer related) I create one more person and call 
> him "~ Name History", the ~ being the surname of that line. (Example 
> Ellis Name
> History)


There is a similar thing that I do (though slightly different in
purpose).

When I reach the end of a branch (a person who died with no
descendants), I put 
EOB in the Title Suffix box so that when I am looking at various charts
or 
reports I can tell that there is no one further to research in that line
easily 
without having to "dig in" to the data to figure it out.  (Because of
working on 
many people/lines simultaneously, I forget the details of each one
quickly.)

Likewise, because I am particularly interested in finding living
descendants, 
when I have confirmed that someone who is not an EOB has no living
descendants, 
I put NLD.  That way I can tell at a quick glance which of, say, my
great great 
grandfather's children have living descendants, and which don't. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Tracy Skegg]

Give it a rest Mike, nobody likes being flamed.  This list is very
helpful and informative, and how you reacted to an innocent question
was unreasonable, but there is no need to go on - I'm done with this
topic
Cheers
Tracy


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

Tracy Skegg wrote:

PS I use Google which lumps every subject line in together - I hate
Outlook.  I just noticed that both suffix and coat of arms on this
subject line - calm down out there, its not life or death :)


I don't and never will use a web-based mailing product. To me, email in 
a mailing list like this one is a text environment. HTML should play no 
part at all, and should really only be used, if ever, between friends 
and family in private stuff.


Since I don't use gmail, I can't really comment on what you're saying 
about everything being treated as just a sequence of messages in date 
received sequence. Since gmail lets you organise your mail by folder, 
I'm sure there must be a facility to sort the mail in a folder according 
to subject matter. If gmail is the same thing as Google Mail, then it's 
called a Conversation.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

Tracy Skegg wrote:

Excuse me Mike, but the original thread to this subject line was about
family names not coat of arms.  Please don't complain when I ask a
question on the original thread.


Tracy,
You may be on topic with the original subject, but your message was in 
reference i.e. linked to a message that had digressed from Graeme's 
original message. If you view your messages correctly threaded, you will 
see this.


Perhaps this might help to convince you.

Here's a header from your message that I complained about

In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Notice: it's *my* message id.

Here's the message id. from Karl's message. The one you intended to 
refer to.


Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

There are too many people in this mailing list that just churn out 
messages without regard to what they're in reference to. Most of this 
comes, I'm sure, from misunderstanding web-based mail and using poorly 
designed email tools. People read the messages in the thread and then 
want to reply. This reply usually gets linked to the last message in the 
thread that they were reading and not the message they were trying to 
reply to. An unintended consequence, I'm sure. I just hope they keep 
their family history records with better care and attention.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Tracy Skegg]

PS I use Google which lumps every subject line in together - I hate
Outlook.  I just noticed that both suffix and coat of arms on this
subject line - calm down out there, its not life or death :)
Cheers
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Tracy Skegg]

Excuse me Mike, but the original thread to this subject line was about
family names not coat of arms.  Please don't complain when I ask a
question on the original thread.
Cheers
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[June McDonald]

Yes, the same for me as Karl is saying. As yet I haven't got to printing out 
reports and I hope by the time I do I will have been able to weed out and 
confirm most/some of them.

June

- Original Message - 
From: "Karl Plenge"




For those who use the suffix box for acronyms - does it cause
confusion when you print out reports or charts?


I'm the only one who uses my data, and I put them in for my own benefit. 
They help me remember little details without having to "think them out" 
each time.


My data is on rootsweb, but no one has ever commented on them, I guess 
they don't even notice them.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

Sharon Perdue wrote:

Aha - you must be one of the grumpy people.


Yes I am! Especially when people jump into conversations in the wrong 
place. Like you have just done.


Her question does have to do with the subject line.  See Karl Plenge and 
June McDonaldl e-mails -  they use the suffix field for "EOB' for end of 
branch, "NO" for not ours, etc.


I don't disagree with you on that. Karl and June did talk about using 
the suffix field for their own purposes. But on a *different* branch of 
messages than the branch that this message is on. Check the attributions 
and see which message refers to which. Tracy's message should have been 
in response to what Karl and June said.


What gets my goat (amongst a lot of other trivial things) is people who 
can't properly use the tools they've got. It's been said before, Outlook 
Express (or Outhouse Express for a better, descriptive name) is not a 
very good email tool. If you set it up properly, all the things I 
complain about will disappear.


Here are a few of them for OE 6.0 :-
Tools->Options->
  Read tab - Read all messages in plain text = ticked
  Receipts - Request a read receipt for all sent messages - OFF
   - Returning Read Receipts - Never send a read receipt - ON

  Send tab - Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent
 OFF
   - Mail Sending Format - Plain Text

  Compose tab - Business cards - DEFINITELY NOT

  Signature tab - start with the dash dash space line

This, from the OE Help, is also useful:-

To group messages and their replies together
When many people participate in e-mail and newsgroup conversations, the 
replies to a given message can be hard to track. You can set up Outlook 
Express so that message replies are grouped under the original message. 
You can then choose to view only the original message, or the message 
and all its replies.


When you are in either your Inbox or a newsgroup, click the View menu, 
point to Current View, and then select Group Messages by Conversation.
To display expanded conversations for all messages, click the Tools 
menu, click Options, click the Read tab, and then select the 
Automatically expand grouped messages check box.


Now, I'm getting out of here before I really blow my top.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Sharon Perdue]

Aha - you must be one of the grumpy people.

Her question does have to do with the subject line.  See Karl Plenge and 
June McDonaldl e-mails -  they use the suffix field for "EOB' for end of 
branch, "NO" for not ours, etc.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Fry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History



Tracy Skegg wrote:

For those who use the suffix box for acronyms - does it cause
confusion when you print out reports or charts?


Tracy,
What on earth has this to do with the subject that Jenny and I were 
talking about?


Don't *reply* or *follow-up* to a subject with another subject that should 
start a new thread. You should *write a NEW* message when the subject is 
entirely different.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Karl Plenge]

For those who use the suffix box for acronyms - does it cause
confusion when you print out reports or charts?


I'm the only one who uses my data, and I put them in for my own benefit.  They 
help me remember little details without having to "think them out" each time.


My data is on rootsweb, but no one has ever commented on them, I guess they 
don't even notice them. 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

Tracy Skegg wrote:

For those who use the suffix box for acronyms - does it cause
confusion when you print out reports or charts?


Tracy,
What on earth has this to do with the subject that Jenny and I were 
talking about?


Don't *reply* or *follow-up* to a subject with another subject that 
should start a new thread. You should *write a NEW* message when the 
subject is entirely different.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Tracy Skegg]

For those who use the suffix box for acronyms - does it cause
confusion when you print out reports or charts?
Cheers
Tracy


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

Jenny M Benson wrote:

Mike Fry wrote
Or, if they want a really good argument, try broaching the subject on 
soc.genealogy.britain :-)


Do you really want to unleash DM on the nice folks of LUG?!


At least we aficionados of SGB can tell the difference between the 
gentle, kitten-play that goes on here, with the rough-and-tumble caused 
by a Moody-moment ;-)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Jenny M Benson]

Mike Fry wrote
Or, if they want a really good argument, try broaching the subject on 
soc.genealogy.britain :-)


Do you really want to unleash DM on the nice folks of LUG?!
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Phil Warn]

At 23:20 19/08/2007, Mike Fry wrote:


ronald ferguson wrote:
For those with a serious interest in this 
subject I would recommend a visit to the site of The College of Arms at:

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/


Or, if they want a really good argument, try 
broaching the subject on soc.genealogy.britain :-)



Mike,

That should really get Roy Stockdill and friends off!

Phil

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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mike Fry]

ronald ferguson wrote:


For those with a serious interest in this subject I would recommend a 
visit to the site of The College of Arms at:  
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/




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soc.genealogy.britain :-)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[ronald ferguson]

For those with a serious interest in this subject I would recommend a visit 
to the site of The College of Arms at:  http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/


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Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:50:42 -0600

I agree with Jenny.  I lived in South Africa for a while where they
had an organization (The SA Bureau of Heraldry, I think) that took
care of coats of arms in that country and the same rules applied there
- a coat of arms had to be registered to a single person.  Since all
my ancestry is from England or Scotland, I delved into this as well.
What is generally sold over the Internet, and elsewhere, including in
Scotland are invalid.  They are often coats of arms that might have
belonged to an individual in the family, but that gives no right to
anyone else to display them as their own.  It is one of the biggest
cons in terms of generating the perpetrators money and giving a false
sense of ownership to the "donor" of the money.
I hope that didn't ruin anyone's morning/evening, but it's true,
Cheers, Mitch Mackrory

On 8/19/07, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Graeme Ellis wrote
> >It would be great if I could also enter a copy of the family crest
> >(coat of arms) somewhere.
>
> I don't know what the position is in Australia but in England and
> Scotland Arms are granted to an individual and passed on to his son at
> his death and there are very strict rules about their "use."
>
> They are *not* just generally related to anyone of a particular surname
> (despite what many websites will tell you).  And incidentally, the crest
> is just one element of a full Coat of Arms.
>
> If the "Grandfather" in your example was English or Scottish, it would
> be wrong to include the Arms unless you knew that he had been granted
> them or had inherited them from his father.
> --
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Mitch Mackrory]

I agree with Jenny.  I lived in South Africa for a while where they
had an organization (The SA Bureau of Heraldry, I think) that took
care of coats of arms in that country and the same rules applied there
- a coat of arms had to be registered to a single person.  Since all
my ancestry is from England or Scotland, I delved into this as well.
What is generally sold over the Internet, and elsewhere, including in
Scotland are invalid.  They are often coats of arms that might have
belonged to an individual in the family, but that gives no right to
anyone else to display them as their own.  It is one of the biggest
cons in terms of generating the perpetrators money and giving a false
sense of ownership to the "donor" of the money.
I hope that didn't ruin anyone's morning/evening, but it's true,
Cheers, Mitch Mackrory

On 8/19/07, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Graeme Ellis wrote
> >It would be great if I could also enter a copy of the family crest
> >(coat of arms) somewhere.
>
> I don't know what the position is in Australia but in England and
> Scotland Arms are granted to an individual and passed on to his son at
> his death and there are very strict rules about their "use."
>
> They are *not* just generally related to anyone of a particular surname
> (despite what many websites will tell you).  And incidentally, the crest
> is just one element of a full Coat of Arms.
>
> If the "Grandfather" in your example was English or Scottish, it would
> be wrong to include the Arms unless you knew that he had been granted
> them or had inherited them from his father.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Jenny M Benson]

Graeme Ellis wrote
It would be great if I could also enter a copy of the family crest 
(coat of arms) somewhere.


I don't know what the position is in Australia but in England and 
Scotland Arms are granted to an individual and passed on to his son at 
his death and there are very strict rules about their "use."


They are *not* just generally related to anyone of a particular surname 
(despite what many websites will tell you).  And incidentally, the crest 
is just one element of a full Coat of Arms.


If the "Grandfather" in your example was English or Scottish, it would 
be wrong to include the Arms unless you knew that he had been granted 
them or had inherited them from his father.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[June McDonald]

I hadn't thought of the EOB, but I like that. In the same way, if I have 
someone who I think could be a family member but as yet am not sure, I enter 
(in the title suffix box) NCO (Not Confirmed Ours). It is possible they well 
may be but as yet it is not confirmed.


I put in NO (Not Ours) if they are somewhat further afield but I still would 
like to have their info recorded. For the ones that are definitely 'mine' 
but in a line people with the same name I put OURS. I find them so much 
easier to track this way.

June

- Original Message - 
From: "Karl Plenge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History



When I have gone back as far as I can or as far as I want to (off shoots
that are no longer related) I create one more person and call him "~
Name History", the ~ being the surname of that line. (Example Ellis Name
History)



There is a similar thing that I do (though slightly different in purpose).

When I reach the end of a branch (a person who died with no descendants), 
I put EOB in the Title Suffix box so that when I am looking at various 
charts or reports I can tell that there is no one further to research in 
that line easily without having to "dig in" to the data to figure it out. 
(Because of working on many people/lines simultaneously, I forget the 
details of each one quickly.)


Likewise, because I am particularly interested in finding living 
descendants, when I have confirmed that someone who is not an EOB has no 
living descendants, I put NLD.  That way I can tell at a quick glance 
which of, say, my great great grandfather's children have living 
descendants, and which don't.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

[Karl Plenge]

When I have gone back as far as I can or as far as I want to (off shoots
that are no longer related) I create one more person and call him "~
Name History", the ~ being the surname of that line. (Example Ellis Name
History)



There is a similar thing that I do (though slightly different in purpose).

When I reach the end of a branch (a person who died with no descendants), I put 
EOB in the Title Suffix box so that when I am looking at various charts or 
reports I can tell that there is no one further to research in that line easily 
without having to "dig in" to the data to figure it out.  (Because of working on 
many people/lines simultaneously, I forget the details of each one quickly.)


Likewise, because I am particularly interested in finding living descendants, 
when I have confirmed that someone who is not an EOB has no living descendants, 
I put NLD.  That way I can tell at a quick glance which of, say, my great great 
grandfather's children have living descendants, and which don't. 





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