Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
Hi Cathy. OK, I think I understand now. Thanks for the clarification - I'll give it a try (very carefully). As I have never unlinked anyone before, I have a couple of questions. 1) As I enter these possible ancestors, do I unlink each one as I enter them, or will they all be unlinked after GGGF GGGM are unlinked? 2) If they turn out to be my relatives, do I change the unlink to link for each one separately, or--? 3)If they are not of my line, what is proper way to delete them? As you can tell, I am trying to be very cautious before I start doing this. Thanks much. Bill Rhodes Cathy wrote: Hi Bill, I didn't mean to scare you. It's great to hear that you make regular backups. It's wise to make an extra backup before doing anything you haven't done before - it's so much easier to undo by restoring a backup. You'll note that Legacy often prompts you to do this. When using a feature you haven't used before, whether it's Advanced Deleting or Merging or even playing with the Source Clipboard if you haven't used it before, it's good to be able to get back to where you were before you started. Some things are only really learnt by doing trying them - and some times we learn quickly that we've misunderstood some element and ended up with a different result to the one we intended - eg with the Source Clipboard, loading all tabs and not realising they all attach together. Re naming the backup - I just told you what I do to make it even easier to find the right backup to restore - to my usual name I add what I'm about to do. I don't change the actual database name. I name backups with the filename and the date. I just add to that a phrase that indicates what I'm about to do. Re losing data unintentionally on deleting a spouse. I've done some testing on this and the marriage information stays with the remaining spouse so isn't lost. I was confused with unlinking when it's left with one partner and I never remember which one. I avoid using two files as I know I can't keep two files updated. Besides I hate double entry. I got into an awful mess when I started a new file for Coopers in a particular area in England to see if I could work out which were related and which weren't. I didn't get sorted until I merged it with my main file. Cathy At 01:25 AM 5/08/2006, you wrote: Cathy, I have been pondering your response for awhile. You say The exception is deleting a spouse where,depending on how you do it, you may lose the marriage information entered. Believe me, if it is possible to lose information, it is likely I will do it. You also say If you're nervous about any action, make an extra backup and include the action you're about to perform in the file name (eg myfamilyfile before deleting disproven GGGF date. I'm not sure that I understand. I continually backup my family file, so are saying to rename it and then make a backup? If so, then I'm back to my original thought of starting out with a fake name file. There will be some names, dates, events, etc. that are exactly the same as in my current maternal family file, going back to my GGF. I will be adding possible (but unconfirmed) names,dates, etc. of his parents,siblings,their families, etc. I just want to make sure I do it right, but if it is too complicated I'll take the old fashioned paper pencil route. Thanks for your advice, but I guess I need further clarification. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
Cathy, I have been pondering your response for awhile. You say The exception is deleting a spouse where,depending on how you do it, you may lose the marriage information entered. Believe me, if it is possible to lose information, it is likely I will do it. You also say If you're nervous about any action, make an extra backup and include the action you're about to perform in the file name (eg myfamilyfile before deleting disproven GGGF date. I'm not sure that I understand. I continually backup my family file, so are saying to rename it and then make a backup? If so, then I'm back to my original thought of starting out with a fake name file. There will be some names, dates, events, etc. that are exactly the same as in my current maternal family file, going back to my GGF. I will be adding possible (but unconfirmed) names,dates, etc. of his parents,siblings,their families, etc. I just want to make sure I do it right, but if it is too complicated I'll take the old fashioned paper pencil route. Thanks for your advice, but I guess I need further clarification. Bill Rhodes Cathy wrote: Hi Bill, You can delete any individual or family group in Legacy without affecting your other data. The exception is deleting a spouse where, depending on how you do it, you may lose the marriage information entered. To be sure you are only deleting the people you intend to delete, tag them first and take a look. In your example, if you decide that this isn't your GGGF, if you unlink your GGF from him, then you could delete the whole family group of your GGGF without affecting your remaining tree - always provided that your GGF's sister or someone else in your tree hasn't married into that family. You'd check this by seeing if the GGGF family was a separate tree once unlinked from GGF. If you're nervous about any action, make an extra backup and include the action you're about to perform in the file name (eg myfamilyfile before deleting disproven GGGF date This makes it very easy to pick out the backup you need to restore if a) you change your mind or b) you find you deleted more people than you intended. (which only happens if you're using Advanced Deleting without checking carefully) Cathy At 08:49 AM 3/08/2006, you wrote: Susan, Sounds good, I think it will work for me - but does this mean I unlink each person I put in my family file as I enter him or her, or just the first one? The first one would be my GGGF, who I would add as my GGF's father, then his wife and children, etc. And if they turn out to be the wrong people, can I safely delete them all? I just do not want to foul up my real family data in any way. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
Would just like to say that I find this list invaluable. I don't always have to put any questions I have as usually find someone else is having same problem or someone answers with an alternative suggestion. Many thanks Susan for the below brilliant suggestion ... I really must find the time one day to try each of Legacy's options just to see what it does. This Tree View is the answer to most of my problems. Many, many thanks to all of those who contribute with suggestions to other users questions. Jan ---Original Message--- From: Susan Daily Date: 02/08/2006 03:05:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family--- Bill, You can add these people into your family file, but they can remain Unlinked. Being there will make it easy for you to refer to them using The Name Index when you wish to, without having to open a new file. Start with -- Add -- New Unlinked Individual --- Then when you click on -- View -- Tree Finder -- You'll find this family in their own separate tree. Will this work for you? Susan On 8/1/06, Bill Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there there was an earlier discussion on this, but I want to make sure I do it right. I am stuck trying to correctly identify my maternal GGGF. I have found a good possibility, but am not sure if he and his family are really my ancestors. I would like to set up this person and his family, etc. As a separate experimental family with a fake file name, but use real names within the file. I want to then add information as I find it to see where it leads. Is there a way to do this so that it does not affect or mess up the Legacy data in my other legitimate family records. If it turns out to actually be my line, I want to be able to transfer it to my family file. If it turns out to be a blind alley I want to be able to delete the entire family, without affecting my other data. Hope this is clear. Any and all help will be greatly apprececiated. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
Hi Bill, You can delete any individual or family group in Legacy without affecting your other data. The exception is deleting a spouse where, depending on how you do it, you may lose the marriage information entered. To be sure you are only deleting the people you intend to delete, tag them first and take a look. In your example, if you decide that this isn't your GGGF, if you unlink your GGF from him, then you could delete the whole family group of your GGGF without affecting your remaining tree - always provided that your GGF's sister or someone else in your tree hasn't married into that family. You'd check this by seeing if the GGGF family was a separate tree once unlinked from GGF. If you're nervous about any action, make an extra backup and include the action you're about to perform in the file name (eg myfamilyfile before deleting disproven GGGF date This makes it very easy to pick out the backup you need to restore if a) you change your mind or b) you find you deleted more people than you intended. (which only happens if you're using Advanced Deleting without checking carefully) Cathy At 08:49 AM 3/08/2006, you wrote: Susan, Sounds good, I think it will work for me - but does this mean I unlink each person I put in my family file as I enter him or her, or just the first one? The first one would be my GGGF, who I would add as my GGF's father, then his wife and children, etc. And if they turn out to be the wrong people, can I safely delete them all? I just do not want to foul up my real family data in any way. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
Bill, You can add these people into your family file, but they can remain unlinked. Being there will make it easy for you to refer to them using the Name Index when you wish to, without having to open a new file. Start with -- Add -- New Unlinked Individual --- Then when you click on -- View -- Tree Finder -- you'll find this family in their own separate tree. Will this work for you? Susan On 8/1/06, Bill Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there there was an earlier discussion on this, but I want to make sure I do it right. I am stuck trying to correctly identify my maternal GGGF. I have found a good possibility, but am not sure if he and his family are really my ancestors. I would like to set up this person and his family, etc. as a separate experimental family with a fake file name, but use real names within the file. I want to then add information as I find it to see where it leads. Is there a way to do this so that it does not affect or mess up the Legacy data in my other legitimate family records. If it turns out to actually be my line, I want to be able to transfer it to my family file. If it turns out to be a blind alley I want to be able to delete the entire family, without affecting my other data. Hope this is clear. Any and all help will be greatly apprececiated. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
I would keep it in the same database. Otherwise, when you transfer the file into your database, you have issues with locations and sources in each database which reference the same location or source, but have small differences, causing duplicates. Since the new family is not linked to the real one, I don't see a problem. I do this all the time. Lisa Bill Rhodes wrote: I think there there was an earlier discussion on this, but I want to make sure I do it right. I am stuck trying to correctly identify my maternal GGGF. I have found a good possibility, but am not sure if he and his family are really my ancestors. I would like to set up this person and his family, etc. as a separate experimental family with a fake file name, but use real names within the file. I want to then add information as I find it to see where it leads. Is there a way to do this so that it does not affect or mess up the Legacy data in my other legitimate family records. If it turns out to actually be my line, I want to be able to transfer it to my family file. If it turns out to be a blind alley I want to be able to delete the entire family, without affecting my other data. Hope this is clear. Any and all help will be greatly apprececiated. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family---
Bill and List: I'll be interested to see the responses you get. I'm also having difficulty connecting my 3rd great-grandfather (b. 1778, Ontario, Canada) and have resorted to researching five different possible lines. I used to keep them in a separate file, but there's a lot of good information there--and solid sources, and also a fair amount that corrects erroneous links currently online. Anyway, I finally decided just recently to add these five lines to my main file as separate trees. I hope I didn't make a huge mistake in doing this. Unlike you, I don't expect to ever want to delete them even if they don't connect to my line. Hopefully if I'm wandering into quicksand, someone will holler. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Rhodes Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Setting up a fake family--- I think there there was an earlier discussion on this, but I want to make sure I do it right. I am stuck trying to correctly identify my maternal GGGF. I have found a good possibility, but am not sure if he and his family are really my ancestors. I would like to set up this person and his family, etc. as a separate experimental family with a fake file name, but use real names within the file. I want to then add information as I find it to see where it leads. Is there a way to do this so that it does not affect or mess up the Legacy data in my other legitimate family records. If it turns out to actually be my line, I want to be able to transfer it to my family file. If it turns out to be a blind alley I want to be able to delete the entire family, without affecting my other data. Hope this is clear. Any and all help will be greatly apprececiated. Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
