Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-23 Thread Elizabeth Cunningham
I used our oldest child (who has died) as the first entry, or at least 
the entry relationships are calculated from. That gives me relationships 
on both sides of the family. I do not know who is number one, since when 
I was entering information I did not know about the process (and I think 
I originally entered the stuff in FTM anyway).


Elizabeth C

Lavern Hall wrote:

Hello,

I have always heard that it's best to begin entering data with yourself as #1.
I've done this and know it is a practice followed on this list. That
said, I recently
attended a genealogy conference where the speaker was strongly suggesting
that if you have only one child, that child should be entered as #1
and by doing
so, a clear picture of both parent's families would result.  Has
anyone tried this?

I brought up the fact that starting with the child will change the
usual numbers
seen on a pedigree form, but was countered with Numbers are not important.

The fact that I have one child is allowing me to consider this option,
but after
entering hundreds of names into Legacy, I'd hate to have to start over and I
won't do it without the expert advice on this list. Does the speaker's
suggestion
have merit?  Any thoughts?

Thanks so much,
Lavern Hall


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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-21 Thread Gen Searcher
Hello Dennis
I'm trying to sort my system a little more and had thought of the MRIN way  and 
then thought alphabetically would be better
But I would have to know her husbands name in order to find her
Do you have any difficulty with this
Regards
John
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:05:08 +0100, Gen Searcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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how would you file a married couple

I file my marriage records in a binder under the husband's name. I've
never had a problem with this method.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-21 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Please explain what you mean by 'sort my system a little more'. The computer 
does not need 'sorting', it does it in whatever method you want. Do you mean 
your paper records? Second, 'her husbands name' is this person in an earlier 
message or a generic person.
Rich in LA CA


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 Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 8:55 AM
 Hello Dennis
 I'm trying to sort my system a little more and had
 thought of the MRIN way  and then thought alphabetically
 would be better
 But I would have to know her husbands name in order to find
 her
 Do you have any difficulty with this
 Regards
 John
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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-20 Thread Melody B
I haven't read much of the other replies.  The thing I find most
useful is the Home Person.  This can be set on both Ancestry.Com or
Legacy Family Tree (where it's actually Home Family).  This just gives
me a known location to get back to for navigation.

Take care,
Melody

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Lavern Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I have always heard that it's best to begin entering data with yourself as #1.
 I've done this and know it is a practice followed on this list. That
 said, I recently
 attended a genealogy conference where the speaker was strongly suggesting
 that if you have only one child, that child should be entered as #1
 and by doing
 so, a clear picture of both parent's families would result.  Has
 anyone tried this?

 I brought up the fact that starting with the child will change the
 usual numbers
 seen on a pedigree form, but was countered with Numbers are not important.

 The fact that I have one child is allowing me to consider this option,
 but after
 entering hundreds of names into Legacy, I'd hate to have to start over and I
 won't do it without the expert advice on this list. Does the speaker's
 suggestion
 have merit?  Any thoughts?

 Thanks so much,
 Lavern Hall



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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-20 Thread Gen Searcher
Hello Connie
I picked up that you file alphabetically, how would you file a married couple
I can see that all unmarried people could be done by alphabet  but I just 
wondered do you file the husband and wife separately
Regards
John
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From: Connie Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person


 The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have absolutely 
 nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first.  (Pedigree charts will 
 always be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you 
 print).
 
 I completely ignore RINs and MRINs.  The only value they have, in my opinion, 
 is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm an 
 alphabetical person).  And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish two 
 people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth  dates or 
 spouse name, to make that distinction).
 
 Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.
 
 It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin 
 twice removed.  If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always 
 change them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.
 
 Connie Sheets
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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-20 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:05:08 +0100, Gen Searcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

how would you file a married couple

I file my marriage records in a binder under the husband's name. I've
never had a problem with this method.
 
-- 

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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-19 Thread Bob Meadow
Just , appreciated the name SHEETSmy g/ Was Susan Sheets from NC. Husband 
Frank Tyree
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From: Connie Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person


The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have absolutely 
nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first.  (Pedigree charts will 
always be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you 
print).


I completely ignore RINs and MRINs.  The only value they have, in my 
opinion, is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm 
an alphabetical person).  And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish 
two people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth 
dates or spouse name, to make that distinction).


Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.

It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin 
twice removed.  If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always 
change them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.


Connie Sheets
Flagstaff, AZ










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RE: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread glove
I wonder why the picture would be clearer depending on who you enter first!
The data you enter is the same and as your speaker noted, numbers are not
important, and this must work both ways. I have myself as the first person
and nothing is lost for either of my children. Perhaps the reference was to
a numbering system but since in Legacy this is under your control I don't
see the benefit of changing anything.
Graham

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Hello,

I have always heard that it's best to begin entering data with yourself as
#1.
I've done this and know it is a practice followed on this list. That said, I
recently attended a genealogy conference where the speaker was strongly
suggesting that if you have only one child, that child should be entered as
#1 and by doing so, a clear picture of both parent's families would result.
Has anyone tried this?

I brought up the fact that starting with the child will change the usual
numbers seen on a pedigree form, but was countered with Numbers are not
important.

The fact that I have one child is allowing me to consider this option, but
after entering hundreds of names into Legacy, I'd hate to have to start over
and I won't do it without the expert advice on this list. Does the speaker's
suggestion have merit?  Any thoughts?

Thanks so much,
Lavern Hall


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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread Jenny M Benson

Lavern Hall wrote
I have always heard that it's best to begin entering data with yourself 
as #1. I've done this and know it is a practice followed on this list. 
That said, I recently attended a genealogy conference where the speaker 
was strongly suggesting that if you have only one child, that child 
should be entered as #1 and by doing so, a clear picture of both 
parent's families would result.  Has anyone tried this?


I brought up the fact that starting with the child will change the 
usual numbers seen on a pedigree form, but was countered with 
Numbers are not important.


The fact that I have one child is allowing me to consider this option, 
but after entering hundreds of names into Legacy, I'd hate to have to 
start over and I won't do it without the expert advice on this list. 
Does the speaker's

suggestion
have merit?  Any thoughts?


Well it rather depends who's genealogy you are wishing to record and 
why, doesn't it?


I think probably most of us here are recording our family history 
which, in the case of those who have children, means the history of our 
children, both their parents and the ancestry or their parents.  Most of 
us probably hope to pass on our research to our children and/or other 
family members after we are gone.


If you are only interested in recording your own family, then don't 
bother including your spouse and possibly not your child.  If you want 
your child to know their inheritance, then include him/her and your 
spouse and that side of the family.


As to what shows up on a chart or report - that's entirely up to what 
you choose to include.  With Legacy you can choose anyone you like to be 
the starting person and you can choose to display all relationships to 
that person.  You can still make yourself the focus of your family 
file, even if you have included your child and spouse and all your 
in-law relations.


I agree entirely with your speaker:  people are what is important, not 
numbers!  To paraphrase The Prisoner I am not a number, I am a free 
woman!

--
Jenny M Benson


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RE: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread ronald ferguson

Lavern,

If I want an ancestry tree for my grandchildren then I start with them 
(actually you can only start with one and the others have to be added in a word 
processor). If I wanted the tree for my daughter then I would start with her 
etc. The RIN makes absolutely no difference.

Your question seems to imply that you believe that the RIN numbers are somehow 
related to the start person, they are not - although some people choose to 
ensure that the start person is number 1 (this is a complete waste of time in 
my opinion). There is no reason whatsoever why this should be the case. Hence 
no changes are need to your file, try just highlighting your child and 
compiling an Ancestry Report.

Ron Ferguson

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 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:56:28 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

 Hello,

 I have always heard that it's best to begin entering data with yourself as #1.
 I've done this and know it is a practice followed on this list. That
 said, I recently
 attended a genealogy conference where the speaker was strongly suggesting
 that if you have only one child, that child should be entered as #1
 and by doing
 so, a clear picture of both parent's families would result. Has
 anyone tried this?

 I brought up the fact that starting with the child will change the
 usual numbers
 seen on a pedigree form, but was countered with Numbers are not important.

 The fact that I have one child is allowing me to consider this option,
 but after
 entering hundreds of names into Legacy, I'd hate to have to start over and I
 won't do it without the expert advice on this list. Does the speaker's
 suggestion
 have merit? Any thoughts?

 Thanks so much,
 Lavern Hall

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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread Connie Sheets
The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have absolutely 
nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first.  (Pedigree charts will always 
be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you print).

I completely ignore RINs and MRINs.  The only value they have, in my opinion, 
is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm an 
alphabetical person).  And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish two 
people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth  dates or 
spouse name, to make that distinction).

Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.

It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin twice 
removed.  If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always change 
them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.

Connie Sheets
Flagstaff, AZ










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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread Wynthner
Numbers associated with a person aren't important unless those numbers are 
serving multiple purposes (like also serving as document numbers, etc.). As to 
pedigree numbering, there are several numbering systems in use around the world 
so trying to keep them in order is like re-arranging deck chairs on the 
Titanic- it may look pretty but is, in the end, a futile attempt at order.
 



- Original Message 
From: Lavern Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:56:28 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

Hello,

I have always heard that it's best to begin entering data with yourself as #1.
I've done this and know it is a practice followed on this list. That
said, I recently
attended a genealogy conference where the speaker was strongly suggesting
that if you have only one child, that child should be entered as #1
and by doing
so, a clear picture of both parent's families would result.  Has
anyone tried this?

I brought up the fact that starting with the child will change the
usual numbers
seen on a pedigree form, but was countered with Numbers are not important.

The fact that I have one child is allowing me to consider this option,
but after
entering hundreds of names into Legacy, I'd hate to have to start over and I
won't do it without the expert advice on this list. Does the speaker's
suggestion
have merit?  Any thoughts?

Thanks so much,
Lavern Hall

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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread Bruce Jones
Connie's last statement should put your mind to rest.
If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always change them
later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.
So, if you do decide you want your people's RIN in some particular order
(say for filing purposes, not reporting purposes), you can RENUMBER them
anyway you choose, anytime you want to.
Perhaps some other software programs require you to enter people in a
particular order, but Legacy does not.
When you create a pedigree chart, whoever you choose to start with will be
numbered #1.  That could be you, your child, or your 3rd great grandmother.
Welcome to Legacy.  You will enjoy it.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Connie Sheets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have absolutely
 nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first.  (Pedigree charts will
 always be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you
 print).

 I completely ignore RINs and MRINs.  The only value they have, in my
 opinion, is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm
 an alphabetical person).  And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish
 two people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth
  dates or spouse name, to make that distinction).

 Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.

 It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin
 twice removed.  If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always
 change them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.

 Connie Sheets
 Flagstaff, AZ










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RE: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread ronald ferguson

Connie,

Whilst you are correct is saying that when it concerns written reports the RINs 
have no value, that is not true when it comes to web pages. In fact without 
them there would be no Pedigree web pages which are based on the RINs.

They are also used to a greater or lesser extent in other web pages. So far 
from cluttering up the brain for those, like me. whose main interest is 
creating websites they are essential.

BTW changing them can also really mess up a website, unless one complete 
replaces all the pages (which can run into 1000s ) on the server.


Ron Ferguson

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 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:30:41 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have absolutely 
 nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first. (Pedigree charts will always 
 be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you print).

 I completely ignore RINs and MRINs. The only value they have, in my opinion, 
 is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm an 
 alphabetical person). And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish two 
 people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth dates or 
 spouse name, to make that distinction).

 Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.

 It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin 
 twice removed. If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always 
 change them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.

 Connie Sheets
 Flagstaff, AZ





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Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread Bruce Jones
Ron,
Thanks for your clarification on the importance of RINs in web pages.  Since
I do not (yet) create web pages, that importance was lost on me.
Would I be correct in saying that it doesn't matter what RIN is assigned to
a person as long as you don't change them AFTER you create web pages?

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Connie,

 Whilst you are correct is saying that when it concerns written reports the
 RINs have no value, that is not true when it comes to web pages. In fact
 without them there would be no Pedigree web pages which are based on the
 RINs.

 They are also used to a greater or lesser extent in other web pages. So far
 from cluttering up the brain for those, like me. whose main interest is
 creating websites they are essential.

 BTW changing them can also really mess up a website, unless one complete
 replaces all the pages (which can run into 1000s ) on the server.


 Ron Ferguson

 _

 *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs
 http://www.fergys.co.uk
 View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
 For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
 _




  Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:30:41 -0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 
  The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have
 absolutely nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first. (Pedigree charts
 will always be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you
 print).
 
  I completely ignore RINs and MRINs. The only value they have, in my
 opinion, is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm
 an alphabetical person). And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish
 two people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth
 dates or spouse name, to make that distinction).
 
  Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.
 
  It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin
 twice removed. If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always
 change them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.
 
  Connie Sheets
  Flagstaff, AZ
 
 
 
 

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RE: [LegacyUG] entering first-person

2008-10-18 Thread ronald ferguson

Connie,

That is correct. It doesn't really matter for uploading small files onto one's 
server, say 2000 providing broadband is used, but otherwise it begins to take 
up quite a bit of time.

As a result many of use use comparison programs to sort out which files have 
been changed and only upload those. Clearly this would not work if the RINs 
were ever to be changed.


Ron Ferguson

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http://www.fergys.co.uk
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:52:27 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person


Ron,
Thanks for your clarification on the importance of RINs in web pages.  Since I 
do not (yet) create web pages, that importance was lost on me.
Would I be correct in saying that it doesn't matter what RIN is assigned to a 
person as long as you don't change them AFTER you create web pages?


On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Connie,

Whilst you are correct is saying that when it concerns written reports the RINs 
have no value, that is not true when it comes to web pages. In fact without 
them there would be no Pedigree web pages which are based on the RINs.

They are also used to a greater or lesser extent in other web pages. So far 
from cluttering up the brain for those, like me. whose main interest is 
creating websites they are essential.

BTW changing them can also really mess up a website, unless one complete 
replaces all the pages (which can run into 1000s ) on the server.



Ron Ferguson

_

*New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs
http://www.fergys.co.uk
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_




 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:30:41 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] entering first-person
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com


 The numbers that are printed by Legacy on a pedigree chart have absolutely 
 nothing to do with RINs, or who you enter first. (Pedigree charts will always 
 be appropriately numbered regardless of whose pedigree chart you print).

 I completely ignore RINs and MRINs. The only value they have, in my opinion, 
 is for people who choose to file their paper files by number (I'm an 
 alphabetical person). And possibly, in some cases, to help distinguish two 
 people of the same name (though I use other means, like their birth dates or 
 spouse name, to make that distinction).

 Otherwise, they are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.

 It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin 
 twice removed. If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always 
 change them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.

 Connie Sheets
 Flagstaff, AZ






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