[LegacyUG] marriages
Jay I wrote my first program in 1967 and was a professional programmer and database designer from 1972 until I retired in 2004. I have designed and implemented databases far more complex than that used by Legacy - which is in no way meant to belittle the Legacy programmers. No database should be any more complex than necessary. If I (or my team) ever implemented something which did not reflect the reality of the situation we were emulating, then we would consider it a bug. All Pat and I want is for the statement "This person did not marry and had no children" to be split into two halves, and for the "did not marry" half to be available when there is a relationship record created in Legacy. If anyone has no use for that, then fine - don't use it. I have no use for LDS ordinances, so I make no comment about them. If a person did not marry, then that is something which should be recorded at the individual level. It is a little strange to suggest that the fact that someone did not marry should be recorded in a marriage record. Yes, I have entered this as a suggestion through proper channels. Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
I do not see how any of this is relevant to my desire to say that an individual never married without having to *also* say what I have no way of knowing, i.e., that an individual had no children. That seems so simple and obvious to me. I am *not* talking about relationships and children. Pat On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Mary LeClerc wrote: > Amen...exactly what I was trying to say, but didn't say nearly as well. > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Ron Taylor wrote: > >> Pat (and others), >> >> It is quite obvious that you have not carefully read my postings on this >> topic. Please re-read them. The database operates with 2 main tables. >> One for individuals and another for marriages. There are many other >> tables that also come into play to store various things. If a person is >> linked to another person it is done with the marriage record. That record >> can link spouses and children of the marriage. Without a marriage record >> there are no connections to other individuals. It's that simple. >> >> The check box in the individual record can be used to indicate that there >> are no marriage records linked for the purpose of connecting a spouse. If >> a marriage record is linked, then that box is grayed-out because the >> presence of a marriage record makes the option invalid. An individual >> cannot be linked to offspring without a marriage record. Thus an >> individual with "This individual never married and had no children" checked >> is shown with the exclamation mark to indicate end-of-line. >> >> The check box in the marriage record can be used to indicate that there >> are no children linked to the marriage. If there are children linked, then >> that box is grayed-out because the presence of a child makes the option >> invalid. If an individual has marriage records and every one of them has >> the "This couple had no children" checked, then that individual is >> end-of-line but there is no symbol to indicate that like it does for the >> never married individual. >> >> In summary...Legacy already allows both situations to be recorded but >> does not display an end-of-line symbol for someone with marriage records >> and no offspring. >> >> Ron Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and >> on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> > > > -- > Mary LeClerc > quiltingm...@gmail.com > My Blog: http://quiltinginoz.blogspot.com/ > My Photos: http://tinyurl.com/3aylx7 > > "Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could have been any > different.” ~ Oprah Winfrey > > "The desire to create is one of the deepest yearnings of the human soul. > No matter our talents, education, backgrounds, or abilities, we each have > an inherent wish to create something that did not exist before." > Dieter Uchtdorf > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] marriages
The Marriage Information is the place to enter this information, ESPECIALLY if there is a child! That is the place to indicate that this couple did not marry. Forget whether they got married; they did as far as genealogy is concerned! They had a relationship; they "did it"; there was a child as a result. They never married! As I said, ESPECIALLY since they DID have a child, there was a "marriage". Don't get hung up on the words. Geez. This couple had a child, but they never married. The information is vital to the child. The father is not known. Common occurrence. The place to indicate that the parents of the child never married is on the Marriage Information page, which is the page with the information about the child's parentage. Tracing parentage is what genealogy is about, after all! So, that is the logical place to indicate that the parents of the child never married; the individual's page is not the place to do that. CE > From: geneal...@gillandtony.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] marriages > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:42:14 +1000 > > I have a lady in my tree. I have her baptism certificate, all censuses > for which she was alive and her death certificate. All censuses show > her under her maiden name and, when she is an adult, as head of the > household. Her death certificate was issued under her maiden name. Two > years before her death she was awarded the probate of her father's will > and was described in the probate index as a spinster. > > As far is as humanly possible, I am certain that this lady did not marry. > > She did, however, have a child. This child's birth certificate gives no > indication of the father's name. > > All I am asking is to be able, on the individual's detail page, to > record the fact that this lady never married. I don't want to mark the > "marriage" record as "This couple never married" - there is no record of > a couple. If ever there was a case when there is a need to record the > absence of the marriage, this is it. However, I cannot do it because > Legacy greys out the one item which would allow me to do this is a > standardised way. Even if they didn't, I still couldn't use it because > "This person never married but did have a child". Split the fact into > two facts that enable us to reflect reality. > > I realise that Legacy has to have a database record linking the child to > the parent. That they choose to call it a marriage record instead of > something like an interpersonal linkage record is unfortunate. That > they choose to treat it as though it shows that a marriage actually > occurred is simply a bug. > > QED > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
Read Marriage as relationship. There had to be one for a child to be born. The reality as you put it is that she DID have a relationship. There for there has to be a marriage (read Relationship). Having said that the only place you can mark her as never married is in the Marriage screen. The individual page is for information about a person only not about relationships. -- Original Message -- From: "Tony Rolfe" To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 23/06/2013 10:42:14 Subject: [LegacyUG] marriages >I have a lady in my tree. I have her baptism certificate, all censuses >for which she was alive and her death certificate. All censuses show >her under her maiden name and, when she is an adult, as head of the >household. Her death certificate was issued under her maiden name. Two >years before her death she was awarded the probate of her father's will >and was described in the probate index as a spinster. > >As far is as humanly possible, I am certain that this lady did not >marry. > >She did, however, have a child. This child's birth certificate gives no >indication of the father's name. > >All I am asking is to be able, on the individual's detail page, to >record the fact that this lady never married. I don't want to mark the >"marriage" record as "This couple never married" - there is no record >of >a couple. If ever there was a case when there is a need to record the >absence of the marriage, this is it. However, I cannot do it because >Legacy greys out the one item which would allow me to do this is a >standardised way. Even if they didn't, I still couldn't use it because >"This person never married but did have a child". Split the fact into >two facts that enable us to reflect reality. > >I realise that Legacy has to have a database record linking the child >to >the parent. That they choose to call it a marriage record instead of >something like an interpersonal linkage record is unfortunate. That >they choose to treat it as though it shows that a marriage actually >occurred is simply a bug. > >QED > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) >and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
Tony, I suggest you either learn how to write the programming code yourself, and volunteer to help Legacy with implementing a change or else join the rest of us patiently waiting quietly. The software cannot be all things to all people and by comparison "overall" Legacy by far comes closest. The issue continues to frustrate many of us, but lets not call a feature not yet available " a bug" Look at it from the software writers point of view, how would you do it?? It's not just as easy as you seem to think. I hope you have at least posted your request properly on the "wish list" for future changes. This subject does not need a life of its own. Jay On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: > I have a lady in my tree. I have her baptism certificate, all censuses > for which she was alive and her death certificate. All censuses show > her under her maiden name and, when she is an adult, as head of the > household. Her death certificate was issued under her maiden name. Two > years before her death she was awarded the probate of her father's will > and was described in the probate index as a spinster. > > As far is as humanly possible, I am certain that this lady did not marry. > > She did, however, have a child. This child's birth certificate gives no > indication of the father's name. > > All I am asking is to be able, on the individual's detail page, to > record the fact that this lady never married. I don't want to mark the > "marriage" record as "This couple never married" - there is no record of > a couple. If ever there was a case when there is a need to record the > absence of the marriage, this is it. However, I cannot do it because > Legacy greys out the one item which would allow me to do this is a > standardised way. Even if they didn't, I still couldn't use it because > "This person never married but did have a child". Split the fact into > two facts that enable us to reflect reality. > > I realise that Legacy has to have a database record linking the child to > the parent. That they choose to call it a marriage record instead of > something like an interpersonal linkage record is unfortunate. That > they choose to treat it as though it shows that a marriage actually > occurred is simply a bug. > > QED > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] marriages
I have a lady in my tree. I have her baptism certificate, all censuses for which she was alive and her death certificate. All censuses show her under her maiden name and, when she is an adult, as head of the household. Her death certificate was issued under her maiden name. Two years before her death she was awarded the probate of her father's will and was described in the probate index as a spinster. As far is as humanly possible, I am certain that this lady did not marry. She did, however, have a child. This child's birth certificate gives no indication of the father's name. All I am asking is to be able, on the individual's detail page, to record the fact that this lady never married. I don't want to mark the "marriage" record as "This couple never married" - there is no record of a couple. If ever there was a case when there is a need to record the absence of the marriage, this is it. However, I cannot do it because Legacy greys out the one item which would allow me to do this is a standardised way. Even if they didn't, I still couldn't use it because "This person never married but did have a child". Split the fact into two facts that enable us to reflect reality. I realise that Legacy has to have a database record linking the child to the parent. That they choose to call it a marriage record instead of something like an interpersonal linkage record is unfortunate. That they choose to treat it as though it shows that a marriage actually occurred is simply a bug. QED Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] surname list
No problem, Mary, Jack does go into more detail following the use of the search, so well worth a look. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Mary LeClerc Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:50 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] surname list Thanks Ron. I was tagging and creating my search list. Just got lost after that for some reason. Sometimes we are too proud to ask and spend hours flounderingor wait...maybe that is just me. LOL. Mary On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Mary, Choose a convenient tag. I am going to use Tag 1. I also take it that you have the Deluxe version of Legacy. In Family View, with your start person right click on the first tag box which will take you to Advance Search, check that the box to be tagged is 1, select Ancestors and on the pop-up select Direct Line (and anything else which you like) click OK, then Close. Go to Search>Find>Detail Search Select: Individual; Tag 1: equals; Tagged. Check that “Clear list before this search” is checked then Click Create. On the new screen, Select Print and choose the options which you require. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Mary LeClerc Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] surname list Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something simple I'm missing. Thanks, Mary -- Mary LeClerc quiltingm...@gmail.com My Blog: http://quiltinginoz.blogspot.com/ My Photos: http://tinyurl.com/3aylx7 "Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could have been any different.” ~ Oprah Winfrey "The desire to create is one of the deepest yearnings of the human soul. No matter our talents, education, backgrounds, or abilities, we each have an inherent wish to create something that did not exist before." Dieter Uchtdorf Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] surname list
Jack, sorry I missed your reply earlier. Thanks for the detailed walk through. Perfect! I appreciate your help. Mary On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Jack Earnshaw wrote: > Mary > > Not sure if this is the best way, but a possibility is to use tagging. > > ** ** > > Go to the person whose ancestors you want to find the surnames of > > Select Edit/ Tag Records > > Choose a tag number you haven’t used. > > Select Tag and “ancestors” and a tag number – if you’re not sure who is > tagged then select a tag number and untag “Everyone” before you tag the > ancestors > > Then do a Search/Find/Detailed Search and select Individual, Where to look > =Tag x, how to look “Equal”, what to look for “Tagged” > > Then under the list of names choose “Print...” > > Select CSV file – bottom right > > Unclick all the field options and under “optional fields” click on > “Customise...” and select “Name: Surname” as the first entry. Then click > “surname” from the optional fields list. > > Click on create and choose a file name in the folder you want and then > press “Create”. > > This will create a file that can be opened by Excel or another spreadsheet > program. It will have duplicates for everybody with the same surname, but > can surely be edited to provide the list you want. > > ** ** > > Jack > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Mary LeClerc [mailto:quiltingm...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 22 June 2013 21:44 > > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] surname list > > ** ** > > Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct > ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something > simple I'm missing. > > Thanks, > > Mary > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > -- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6417 - Release Date: 06/16/13* > *** > -- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6417 - Release Date: 06/16/13 > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > -- Mary LeClerc quiltingm...@gmail.com My Blog: http://quiltinginoz.blogspot.com/ My Photos: http://tinyurl.com/3aylx7 "Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could have been any different.” ~ Oprah Winfrey "The desire to create is one of the deepest yearnings of the human soul. No matter our talents, education, backgrounds, or abilities, we each have an inherent wish to create something that did not exist before." Dieter Uchtdorf Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] surname list
Thanks Ron. I was tagging and creating my search list. Just got lost after that for some reason. Sometimes we are too proud to ask and spend hours flounderingor wait...maybe that is just me. LOL. Mary On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: >Mary, > > Choose a convenient tag. I am going to use Tag 1. I also take it that you > have the Deluxe version of Legacy. > > In Family View, with your start person right click on the first tag box > which will take you to Advance Search, check that the box to be tagged is > 1, select Ancestors and on the pop-up select Direct Line (and anything else > which you like) click OK, then Close. > Go to Search>Find>Detail Search Select: Individual; Tag 1: equals; Tagged. > Check that “Clear list before this search” is checked then Click Create. > > On the new screen, Select Print and choose the options which you require. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > > *From:* Mary LeClerc > *Sent:* Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:43 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] surname list > > Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct > ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something > simple I'm missing. > Thanks, > Mary > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > -- Mary LeClerc quiltingm...@gmail.com My Blog: http://quiltinginoz.blogspot.com/ My Photos: http://tinyurl.com/3aylx7 "Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could have been any different.” ~ Oprah Winfrey "The desire to create is one of the deepest yearnings of the human soul. No matter our talents, education, backgrounds, or abilities, we each have an inherent wish to create something that did not exist before." Dieter Uchtdorf Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] surname list
Ron, My post was sent prematurely but it is correct as much as I had done. The gmail mystery key combined with typing on my laptop got me again! I will try to send the rest of my reply off list as I had intended. Larry Lee ldlee...@gmail.com On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: >Mary, > > Choose a convenient tag. I am going to use Tag 1. I also take it that you > have the Deluxe version of Legacy. > > In Family View, with your start person right click on the first tag box > which will take you to Advance Search, check that the box to be tagged is > 1, select Ancestors and on the pop-up select Direct Line (and anything else > which you like) click OK, then Close. > Go to Search>Find>Detail Search Select: Individual; Tag 1: equals; Tagged. > Check that “Clear list before this search” is checked then Click Create. > > On the new screen, Select Print and choose the options which you require. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > > *From:* Mary LeClerc > *Sent:* Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:43 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] surname list > > Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct > ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something > simple I'm missing. > Thanks, > Mary > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] surname list
Mary Not sure if this is the best way, but a possibility is to use tagging. Go to the person whose ancestors you want to find the surnames of Select Edit/ Tag Records Choose a tag number you haven’t used. Select Tag and “ancestors” and a tag number – if you’re not sure who is tagged then select a tag number and untag “Everyone” before you tag the ancestors Then do a Search/Find/Detailed Search and select Individual, Where to look =Tag x, how to look “Equal”, what to look for “Tagged” Then under the list of names choose “Print...” Select CSV file – bottom right Unclick all the field options and under “optional fields” click on “Customise...” and select “Name: Surname” as the first entry. Then click “surname” from the optional fields list. Click on create and choose a file name in the folder you want and then press “Create”. This will create a file that can be opened by Excel or another spreadsheet program. It will have duplicates for everybody with the same surname, but can surely be edited to provide the list you want. Jack From: Mary LeClerc [mailto:quiltingm...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 June 2013 21:44 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] surname list Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something simple I'm missing. Thanks, Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6417 - Release Date: 06/16/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6417 - Release Date: 06/16/13 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] surname list
Mary, Choose a convenient tag. I am going to use Tag 1. I also take it that you have the Deluxe version of Legacy. In Family View, with your start person right click on the first tag box which will take you to Advance Search, check that the box to be tagged is 1, select Ancestors and on the pop-up select Direct Line (and anything else which you like) click OK, then Close. Go to Search>Find>Detail Search Select: Individual; Tag 1: equals; Tagged. Check that “Clear list before this search” is checked then Click Create. On the new screen, Select Print and choose the options which you require. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Mary LeClerc Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] surname list Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something simple I'm missing. Thanks, Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] surname list
Is there an easy way to generate a list of surnames in the direct ancestral line, preferably alphabetized? There probably is something simple I'm missing. Thanks, Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best charting program
Because I started with it prior to Legacy Charting and since I prefer my descendant charts left to right as opposed to top down, I have used Legacy Charting Companion as an add-on. Jacob On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM, lio . wrote: > I want to start playing with charting my family tree. I know Legacy > Charting can do a lot, but is there a preference on the list towards Legacy > Companion or TreeDraw? I went through the archives and couldn't find a > comparison of the two. > > Thank you. > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best charting program
Try the built in Legacy charting program. It's great Chap Sent from my iPad Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com ⛳ On Jun 22, 2013, at 2:59 PM, "lio ." wrote: I want to start playing with charting my family tree. I know Legacy Charting can do a lot, but is there a preference on the list towards Legacy Companion or TreeDraw? I went through the archives and couldn't find a comparison of the two. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Best charting program
I want to start playing with charting my family tree. I know Legacy Charting can do a lot, but is there a preference on the list towards Legacy Companion or TreeDraw? I went through the archives and couldn't find a comparison of the two. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
Amen...exactly what I was trying to say, but didn't say nearly as well. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Ron Taylor wrote: > Pat (and others), > > It is quite obvious that you have not carefully read my postings on this > topic. Please re-read them. The database operates with 2 main tables. > One for individuals and another for marriages. There are many other > tables that also come into play to store various things. If a person is > linked to another person it is done with the marriage record. That record > can link spouses and children of the marriage. Without a marriage record > there are no connections to other individuals. It's that simple. > > The check box in the individual record can be used to indicate that there > are no marriage records linked for the purpose of connecting a spouse. If > a marriage record is linked, then that box is grayed-out because the > presence of a marriage record makes the option invalid. An individual > cannot be linked to offspring without a marriage record. Thus an > individual with "This individual never married and had no children" checked > is shown with the exclamation mark to indicate end-of-line. > > The check box in the marriage record can be used to indicate that there > are no children linked to the marriage. If there are children linked, then > that box is grayed-out because the presence of a child makes the option > invalid. If an individual has marriage records and every one of them has > the "This couple had no children" checked, then that individual is > end-of-line but there is no symbol to indicate that like it does for the > never married individual. > > In summary...Legacy already allows both situations to be recorded but does > not display an end-of-line symbol for someone with marriage records and no > offspring. > > Ron Taylor > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > -- Mary LeClerc quiltingm...@gmail.com My Blog: http://quiltinginoz.blogspot.com/ My Photos: http://tinyurl.com/3aylx7 "Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could have been any different.” ~ Oprah Winfrey "The desire to create is one of the deepest yearnings of the human soul. No matter our talents, education, backgrounds, or abilities, we each have an inherent wish to create something that did not exist before." Dieter Uchtdorf Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
Yes ~Don On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Duane Baker wrote: > Much ado about nothing. > > From: Mike Fry > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages > > On 2013/06/22 07:11, Lee Bruch wrote: > > > I can live with it, realizing that what Legacy calls a "marriage" really > > isn't what is usually called a marriage. Legacy's use of the word "marriage" > > appears to just mean the linking of people, and it may or may not signify a > > formal marriage. > > At last! Someone else has finally grasped the fact that a Legacy-marriage is > *not* a marriage (civil, religious or otherwise) between two people. At its' > basic > level, it's just a coupling that produced a child. And as Ron Taylor > painstakingly tries to explain, it's the device used to construct the > beginnings > of a family group. > > As I said much earlier in the piece, the choice of the word Marriage for this > linkage between two people, is poor. In earlier days, the choice was okay and > didn't give rise to all this confusion. As evidenced by this discussion, there > is much confusion out there. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg (g) > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
Much ado about nothing. From: Mike Fry To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages On 2013/06/22 07:11, Lee Bruch wrote: > I can live with it, realizing that what Legacy calls a "marriage" really > isn't what is usually called a marriage. Legacy's use of the word "marriage" > appears to just mean the linking of people, and it may or may not signify a > formal marriage. At last! Someone else has finally grasped the fact that a Legacy-marriage is *not* a marriage (civil, religious or otherwise) between two people. At its' basic level, it's just a coupling that produced a child. And as Ron Taylor painstakingly tries to explain, it's the device used to construct the beginnings of a family group. As I said much earlier in the piece, the choice of the word Marriage for this linkage between two people, is poor. In earlier days, the choice was okay and didn't give rise to all this confusion. As evidenced by this discussion, there is much confusion out there. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
On 2013/06/22 07:11, Lee Bruch wrote: > I can live with it, realizing that what Legacy calls a "marriage" really > isn't what is usually called a marriage. Legacy's use of the word "marriage" > appears to just mean the linking of people, and it may or may not signify a > formal marriage. At last! Someone else has finally grasped the fact that a Legacy-marriage is *not* a marriage (civil, religious or otherwise) between two people. At its' basic level, it's just a coupling that produced a child. And as Ron Taylor painstakingly tries to explain, it's the device used to construct the beginnings of a family group. As I said much earlier in the piece, the choice of the word Marriage for this linkage between two people, is poor. In earlier days, the choice was okay and didn't give rise to all this confusion. As evidenced by this discussion, there is much confusion out there. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
