Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[gerald]

 
 

Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 7:08 AM
From: Howlanddavisii 
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage


To all who wrote:

 

    Thanks for your comments.  But I understand why there is a potential problem and I understand, and have, excluded problems where I have checked.  My concern, and comment. is why my grand aunt has the symbol but her parents do not when, if you would look for an additional child, my grand aunt's name would not be involved.  Her parents' names would be; to me, that is what one would be looking for.  You are looking for the birth of a child by the parents, not by a subsequent son/daughter.

 

Howland Davis

 

P.S. Nan, my given name is Howland, not Howard , no problem.  For three years, when I worked for Goodyear Tire, the company computer system changed Howland to Holland because I, obviously, did not know what I was typing.  I finally found the right IT individual who changed the system so it would just underline Howland in red but not change it.  And motels frequently take my reservation and then put it under Howland so that I am told that they have no reservation for Davis.

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Nan Bailey 
To: legacyusergroup 
Sent: Thu, Feb 12, 2015 4:34 am
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage
 




Howard, the red exclamation mark shows what Legacy sees as a "possible" error and one that says "birth date too late after marriage" just indicates that in usual circumstances, there would be births between the marriage date and that childs birth date. Mostly the first birth occurs within the first 2 - 3 years, so with the large gap, there is a strong possibility that there are births you haven't found or still births that may not even be recorded.

It isn't saying  your Great Aunt is the problem, just that before her birth there could be births you have missed. I found this out as I also had this message and I also know there are definitely no births beforehand in mine like you.

There is a way to turn off this exclamation mark for just this one incident I think. Someone with a better knowledge of how Legacy 8 works will tell you. 

Nan Bailey
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RE: [LegacyUG] Source List Name

[M. Brenzel]

Because it looks like B00K – B-zero-zero-K, not B-O-O-K.  Numbers come before 
letters, therefore, B-zero comes before B-O.



From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:49 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source List Name



Can someone explain to me why these three entries appear in the following order 
in the Master Source List -- or has the alphabet changed?  :-(



INET - B00K - ORAL HIST - PRICKETT-Charles

INET - B00K - ORAL HIST - PRICKETT-MaudieF fam  UCLA

INET - BIO - BOGARDUS_Anneke_JansBerne



Thanks.

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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Charani]

On 12/02/2015 23:23, Gerald E Boor wrote:
> Carl, while most of us do goof, at least occasionally, I don't
> think it is routine any longer to always give a warning for our
> error. Most users don't want what they consider an unnecessary
> warning. However, it might be ok if it can simply be turned off in
> the preferences.

I think that's probably the best answer.  I've turned most of the
reminders/prompts off except for a couple I feel I might benefit from.

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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[STEPHEN]

Thank you, Pierre. I agree.

- Original Message -

From: "Pierre Simoneau" 
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

Let's end this discussion. I know Cancel is Cancel and Save is Save and Narrow 
Minded is Narrow Minded.




De : MikeFry 
À : legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Envoyé le : jeudi 12 février 2015 16h46
Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

On 2015/02/12 10:08 PM, Paul Gray wrote:

> My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To
> me, clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated
> their intention.

Don't forget the keyboard. The ESC key should also cancel a window.

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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Gerald E Boor]

Carl, while most of us do goof, at least occasionally, I don't think it is 
routine any longer to always give a warning for our error. Most users don't 
want what they consider an unnecessary warning. However, it might be ok if it 
can simply be turned off in the preferences. You will probably just have to 
live with how this works. Jerry

On February 12, 2015, at 18:01, Carl Cox  wrote:

>If I could always remember what I am doing, and not do anything by reflex, I
>would agree. However, I occasionally find myself hitting a key without
>thinking. In those cases a reminder is very useful, and I greatly appreciate
>those chances to rethink and do what I really wanted without having to
>retype something. I don't live in a perfect world and am not perfect.
>Carl
>> My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To
>> me, clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated
>> their intention.
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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Pierre Simoneau]

Let's end this discussion. I know Cancel is Cancel and Save is Save and Narrow 
Minded is Narrow Minded.

  De : MikeFry 
 À : legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Envoyé le : jeudi 12 février 2015 16h46
 Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

On 2015/02/12 10:08 PM, Paul Gray wrote:

> My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To
> me, clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated
> their intention.

Don't forget the keyboard. The ESC key should also cancel a window.

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Re: [LegacyUG] File Maintenance

[Elizabeth Verchio]

  
  
I have 42,237 individuals, 32,434
  Citations, 34,279 Master Events etc. and it only takes a couple
  minutes to run File Maintenance - Check/Repair, List Clean up and
  Compact.
  If yours is taking hours for 9000 individuals I would think there
  is corruption in your file.
  I back up several times a day using 2 or 3 different file names. 
  I run Check/Repair often, especially after I have deleted files,
  sometimes making backup before, sometimes not.  
  Brian has made several good suggestions.  Hope something I have
  offered is of value.
  Elizabeth Verchio 
  born in Alabama living in illinois
  Nescire autem quid antequam
  natus sis acciderit,
  id est semper
  esse puerum.  (To be
ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain
always a child.) ― Marcus Tullius
Cicero

  On 2/12/2015 10:35 AM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:


  I don't see a lot a answers coming in for this one and that's probably because there is no good answer. Most people would probably RESET the computer but by doing so you stand a good chance of corrupting the database. You'd better hope that you have a recent backup. And don't they recommend you to backup BEFORE doing a Check/Repair?

Here are some things that I might consider. Go to the Task Manager, Applications, and then End Task on all other applications that may be running other than Legacy. I would then go to the Processes tab, and click on the CPU column to determine what was hogging all the CPU cycles, and kill off any processes that I knew were unnecessary at this time. This is risky unless you knew what was needed and what is not but after several hours, you have to do something. And if it was the Legacy application and process that had the system hung, I guess one has no choice but to reboot and hope for the best.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Wendy Howard [mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:49 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] File Maintenance

Wait.  :-)

Wendy

Pat Hickin wrote on 12/02/2015 17:51:

  
I am doing File Maintenance-Check/Repair.
I have c 9000 people in my database and ordinarily it takes c 2-3
minutes to complete.  It has been running an hour or so now & the
progress bar is not showing that it has gotten _any_where yet.

Legacy Help, of course is not accessible.

So what do I do now??

Pat

  
  


  



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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Carl Cox]

If I could always remember what I am doing, and not do anything by reflex, I
would agree. However, I occasionally find myself hitting a key without
thinking. In those cases a reminder is very useful, and I greatly appreciate
those chances to rethink and do what I really wanted without having to
retype something. I don't live in a perfect world and am not perfect.

Carl


> My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To
> me, clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated
> their intention.





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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[MikeFry]

On 2015/02/12 10:08 PM, Paul Gray wrote:

> My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To
> me, clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated
> their intention.

Don't forget the keyboard. The ESC key should also cancel a window.

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RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[David Abernathy]

I agree with Paul, it is working as designed and is the standard. A "Cancel" in 
any program will throw away any data that has NOT been saved.

Why should Legacy be any different than any other program that offers a cancel?


Thanks,
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From: Paul Gray [mailto:graypa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:09 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

Brian,

Very interesting analysis!

In the end, I think the only important thing is to figure out how V8 should 
behave, as 7.5 will not be changed.

I think as much as possible, "Cancel" should operate consistently across all 
Legacy screens, same for pressing the red 'X'. What might be more difficult is 
for users to agree on what those standards should be.

My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To me, 
clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated their 
intention.

I think there should be a warning message when clicking the red "X" as there is 
more possibility of that being 'accidental'.

Just my two cents

Paul Gray


-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: February-12-15 9:02 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

I just compared v7.5 to v8 and there ARE some striking inconsistencies.

It also makes a difference whether you are entering MARRIAGE notes or 
INDIVIDUAL notes. Legacy is not consistent in how it handles either one.

And then, it makes a difference whether you hit the CANCEL button or X-Out of 
the window. Once again, Legacy is not consistent in how it handles either one.

For example, in v7.5, while entering either Individual general or Marriage 
notes, if you hit CANCEL after entering some text, you will get a warning about 
Abandoning Changes which is the way you'd expect or at least prefer a program 
to behave.

However, if you just X-out after entering some text in v7.5, the window closes 
as expected without warning but the text is saved anyhow, something you'd not 
expect to happen.

Using v8, while entering Individual General Notes, if you hit CANCEL, there is 
no warning about Abandoning Changes. The window closes and the text is lost. I 
suppose most would argue that is what CANCEL means but notice the Warning 
message prevalent in v7.5 is no longer brought up in v8. Entering text and then 
X-Out of the window will close the window and the text is lost without any 
warning. Also note that this is different than v7.5 in that the text is no 
longer saved.

Using v8 and entering text in a Marriage window, if you hit CANCEL, you will 
get a warning about Abandoning Changes.

If you just X-Out of the Marriage window in v8, its similar to v7.5 in that the 
window closes as expected without any additional warnings but the text is saved 
anyhow.

It's almost as if 3 different programmers handled the code here: one for the 
Notes windows, a second for the CANCEL button, and a third for the X-Out 
gadget. But the bottom line is simple: if you enter any text and want to keep 
it, then hit the SAVE button which common sense dictates. Hitting any other 
button or gadget is a crap-shoot.


Brian in CA



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From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:58 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

On 2015/02/12 03:46 PM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
> In version 7.5 there was a warning.
>

I get the warning in 8.0!

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RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Paul Gray]

Brian,

Very interesting analysis!

In the end, I think the only important thing is to figure out how V8 should 
behave, as 7.5 will not be changed.

I think as much as possible, "Cancel" should operate consistently across all 
Legacy screens, same for pressing the red 'X'. What might be more difficult is 
for users to agree on what those standards should be.

My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To me, 
clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated their 
intention.

I think there should be a warning message when clicking the red "X" as there is 
more possibility of that being 'accidental'.

Just my two cents

Paul Gray


-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: February-12-15 9:02 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

I just compared v7.5 to v8 and there ARE some striking inconsistencies.

It also makes a difference whether you are entering MARRIAGE notes or 
INDIVIDUAL notes. Legacy is not consistent in how it handles either one.

And then, it makes a difference whether you hit the CANCEL button or X-Out of 
the window. Once again, Legacy is not consistent in how it handles either one.

For example, in v7.5, while entering either Individual general or Marriage 
notes, if you hit CANCEL after entering some text, you will get a warning about 
Abandoning Changes which is the way you'd expect or at least prefer a program 
to behave.

However, if you just X-out after entering some text in v7.5, the window closes 
as expected without warning but the text is saved anyhow, something you'd not 
expect to happen.

Using v8, while entering Individual General Notes, if you hit CANCEL, there is 
no warning about Abandoning Changes. The window closes and the text is lost. I 
suppose most would argue that is what CANCEL means but notice the Warning 
message prevalent in v7.5 is no longer brought up in v8. Entering text and then 
X-Out of the window will close the window and the text is lost without any 
warning. Also note that this is different than v7.5 in that the text is no 
longer saved.

Using v8 and entering text in a Marriage window, if you hit CANCEL, you will 
get a warning about Abandoning Changes.

If you just X-Out of the Marriage window in v8, its similar to v7.5 in that the 
window closes as expected without any additional warnings but the text is saved 
anyhow.

It's almost as if 3 different programmers handled the code here: one for the 
Notes windows, a second for the CANCEL button, and a third for the X-Out 
gadget. But the bottom line is simple: if you enter any text and want to keep 
it, then hit the SAVE button which common sense dictates. Hitting any other 
button or gadget is a crap-shoot.


Brian in CA



-Original Message-
From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:58 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

On 2015/02/12 03:46 PM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
> In version 7.5 there was a warning.
>

I get the warning in 8.0!

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Mike Fry (Jhb)






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RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Olwyn Bourne]

Don't let the grumpy ones put you off. There are plenty of genuinely helpful 
people in this group.   I understand often when users writes these requests we 
have reached a moment of frustration and the wording reflexes this (been there, 
done that).   We all need calming down sometimes.  Appreciate the helpful 
responses and let go of the mean ones.

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:49:09 +
From: pierre6simon...@yahoo.ca
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

On peut se passer d'un tel commentaire. Merci. Je passe à un autre logiciel. Je 
veux qu'on m'aide non pas me suggérer d'aller voir ailleurs.
 De : Ron Bernier 
 À : legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Envoyé le : jeudi 12 février 2015 8h22
 Objet : RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

You are saying that when you close out (X Out) of a note without saving, you 
lose any information that you entered.  Even though you know this is how it 
works, you do it anyway.  So, how is this Legacy’s fault rather than your 
failure to properly save your work?  I love it when folks issue idle “threats”. 
 If you think that RootsMagic is a better product than Legacy, why not just 
switch rather than making a public statement that you are looking at another 
product.  Ron BernierWoonsocket, RI   From: Pierre Simoneau 
[mailto:pierre6simon...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:04 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug  If I put a word in Bold or 
Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and after the word.  Plus, for over a 
year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without saving), there is no 
warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted this bug for over a 
year. It is about time to correct this bug.  I'm back at ve rsion 7.5 whick is 
trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.



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RE: [LegacyUG] File Maintenance

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I don't see a lot a answers coming in for this one and that's probably because 
there is no good answer. Most people would probably RESET the computer but by 
doing so you stand a good chance of corrupting the database. You'd better hope 
that you have a recent backup. And don't they recommend you to backup BEFORE 
doing a Check/Repair?

Here are some things that I might consider. Go to the Task Manager, 
Applications, and then End Task on all other applications that may be running 
other than Legacy. I would then go to the Processes tab, and click on the CPU 
column to determine what was hogging all the CPU cycles, and kill off any 
processes that I knew were unnecessary at this time. This is risky unless you 
knew what was needed and what is not but after several hours, you have to do 
something. And if it was the Legacy application and process that had the system 
hung, I guess one has no choice but to reboot and hope for the best.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Wendy Howard [mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:49 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] File Maintenance

Wait.  :-)

Wendy

Pat Hickin wrote on 12/02/2015 17:51:
> I am doing File Maintenance-Check/Repair.
> I have c 9000 people in my database and ordinarily it takes c 2-3
> minutes to complete.  It has been running an hour or so now & the
> progress bar is not showing that it has gotten _any_where yet.
>
> Legacy Help, of course is not accessible.
>
> So what do I do now??
>
> Pat






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RE: [LegacyUG] How's the Web Page Output - Legacy v8

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

So far, your summation seems to be spot on. You’ll still need to clean up some 
of the HTML code generated in v8. Actually, you don’t NEED to do it but may 
WANT to do it especially if you plan on adding any other bells and whistles to 
your pages. And as you stated, you should be capable of moving your files to 
wherever you wish and then having v8 find them without a lot of problems. And 
it’s not a matter of updating each and every link but rather telling Legacy 
this is where the pictures reside and then Legacy will find them all.



My biggest complaint about v8 web page creation is that the program doesn’t 
create a “stay alive” process during the creation. This is only of importance 
if you are planning to include pictures on your web pages, something that will 
vastly increase the time necessary to complete the creation of the web pages. 
For example, if you have a large family file with lots of pictures, the process 
will take several hours. But most computer systems have a default power saving 
mode in which the hard drives and the entire system will go into sleep mode 
after 30 minutes or 1 hour of inactivity. When that happens, your web creation 
process is put on hold until you move the mouse or press a key. The work-around 
is to modify your system settings to a “Never Off” setting, something that is 
usually not recommended. It’s a shame Millennia couldn’t incorporate this “stay 
alive” process because other software such as DVD burning programs and Video 
rendering programs do it routinely.



There are a number of small bugs that are new to the v8 web process and you’ll 
probably see them when you use it. I have a 3 page list of such bugs but I’m 
still working on a full definition of them and making sure that they can be 
re-created. Some others have stated that they cannot include source document 
pictures in the web output but mine are coming through without problems with 
the exception of one type of page selection. I’m still checking out the picture 
creation process but as I stated, this slows down the creation to several 
hours. And at my age, I may not have several hours.



Brian in CA





From: Gordon Small [mailto:oldgoa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:40 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How's the Web Page Output - Legacy v8



I created my genealogy site using v7.5. Although I've continued my research, 
It's been years since I've updated the web and now I'm planning on another 
update soon.



I purchased v8 when it was released and played around with it for a couple days 
but all my data still resides in my v7.5 installation. I like the fact that the 
v8 installation is more Windows compliant and uses the windows file structure 
like it's supposed to be used instead of how v7 did it putting the user files 
in the root drive. This would be my main reason for the upgrade. I don't plan 
on using many of the new features of v8 like the source writer because I have 
too many sources now to go back and redo them all. There *may* be other 
features I could get used to though. :-/



So, I have a couple questions.



1. If I move all my "user" files (i.e. my personal added content such as the 
"family.fdb", photos and documents. Not the Legacy user profile files) from 
C:\Legacy over to the My Documents/Legacy Family Tree folder is there anything 
that will cause me problems? This probably isn't a big deal for me because I 
can usually wade through missing links to photos and things like that. But if 
anyone has had any problems I'm interested in knowing if I can expect any 
surprises.



2. I'm heavily into web creation. The web output of v7.x, while it leaves a lot 
to be desired, is not that hard to work with once you know how to work around 
the deficiencies. I'm particularly interested in the pedigree web page output. 
For those of you that have upgraded to v8 and output to pedigree web pages 
Are there any gotchas in v8 that broke things that worked v7?



Thanks,

Gordon









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Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[Charani]

On 12/02/2015 14:08, Howlanddavisii wrote:
> My concern, and comment. is why my grand aunt has the symbol but her parents 
> do not when, if you would look for an additional child, my grand aunt's name 
> would not be involved.  Her parents' names would be; to me, that is what one 
> would be looking for.  You are looking for the birth of a child by the 
> parents, not by a subsequent son/daughter.

I understand you.

I believe what the system is highlighting is that it thinks you may
have entered the year incorrectly (birth given as 1923 when the
marriage was in 1913). That's why it highlights the child rather than
the parents although I can see a case for highlighting the parents too
as you might have entered their marriage date incorrectly (given as
1813 when it should have been 1913).

Maybe a suggestion that parents and child both be highlighted where
there's an apparent mismatch of dates?

Best mismatch I had was a death /before/ the birth registration and
the dates were correct.

--
Charani (UK)
OPC for Walton,  Ashcott, Shapwick,
Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[marcie]

Thank you for the information.  I just checked notes on several people and all 
are blank.  Using v8 and x'd out rather than save.

On Thu, 2/12/15, Brian L. Lightfoot  wrote:

 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Thursday, February 12, 2015, 10:02 AM

 I just compared v7.5 to v8 and there
 ARE some striking inconsistencies.

 It also makes a difference whether you are entering MARRIAGE
 notes or INDIVIDUAL notes. Legacy is not consistent in how
 it handles either one.

 And then, it makes a difference whether you hit the CANCEL
 button or X-Out of the window. Once again, Legacy is not
 consistent in how it handles either one.

 For example, in v7.5, while entering either Individual
 general or Marriage notes, if you hit CANCEL after entering
 some text, you will get a warning about Abandoning Changes
 which is the way you'd expect or at least prefer a program
 to behave.

 However, if you just X-out after entering some text in v7.5,
 the window closes as expected without warning but the text
 is saved anyhow, something you'd not expect to happen.

 Using v8, while entering Individual General Notes, if you
 hit CANCEL, there is no warning about Abandoning Changes.
 The window closes and the text is lost. I suppose most would
 argue that is what CANCEL means but notice the Warning
 message prevalent in v7.5 is no longer brought up in v8.
 Entering text and then X-Out of the window will close the
 window and the text is lost without any warning. Also note
 that this is different than v7.5 in that the text is no
 longer saved.

 Using v8 and entering text in a Marriage window, if you hit
 CANCEL, you will get a warning about Abandoning Changes.

 If you just X-Out of the Marriage window in v8, its similar
 to v7.5 in that the window closes as expected without any
 additional warnings but the text is saved anyhow.

 It's almost as if 3 different programmers handled the code
 here: one for the Notes windows, a second for the CANCEL
 button, and a third for the X-Out gadget. But the bottom
 line is simple: if you enter any text and want to keep it,
 then hit the SAVE button which common sense dictates.
 Hitting any other button or gadget is a crap-shoot.


 Brian in CA



 -Original Message-
 From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:58 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

 On 2015/02/12 03:46 PM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
 > In version 7.5 there was a warning.
 >

 I get the warning in 8.0!

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry (Jhb)






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RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I just compared v7.5 to v8 and there ARE some striking inconsistencies.

It also makes a difference whether you are entering MARRIAGE notes or 
INDIVIDUAL notes. Legacy is not consistent in how it handles either one.

And then, it makes a difference whether you hit the CANCEL button or X-Out of 
the window. Once again, Legacy is not consistent in how it handles either one.

For example, in v7.5, while entering either Individual general or Marriage 
notes, if you hit CANCEL after entering some text, you will get a warning about 
Abandoning Changes which is the way you'd expect or at least prefer a program 
to behave.

However, if you just X-out after entering some text in v7.5, the window closes 
as expected without warning but the text is saved anyhow, something you'd not 
expect to happen.

Using v8, while entering Individual General Notes, if you hit CANCEL, there is 
no warning about Abandoning Changes. The window closes and the text is lost. I 
suppose most would argue that is what CANCEL means but notice the Warning 
message prevalent in v7.5 is no longer brought up in v8. Entering text and then 
X-Out of the window will close the window and the text is lost without any 
warning. Also note that this is different than v7.5 in that the text is no 
longer saved.

Using v8 and entering text in a Marriage window, if you hit CANCEL, you will 
get a warning about Abandoning Changes.

If you just X-Out of the Marriage window in v8, its similar to v7.5 in that the 
window closes as expected without any additional warnings but the text is saved 
anyhow.

It's almost as if 3 different programmers handled the code here: one for the 
Notes windows, a second for the CANCEL button, and a third for the X-Out 
gadget. But the bottom line is simple: if you enter any text and want to keep 
it, then hit the SAVE button which common sense dictates. Hitting any other 
button or gadget is a crap-shoot.


Brian in CA



-Original Message-
From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:58 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

On 2015/02/12 03:46 PM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
> In version 7.5 there was a warning.
>

I get the warning in 8.0!

--
Regards,
Mike Fry (Jhb)






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Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[Charani]

On 12/02/2015 11:32, Cathy Pinner wrote:
> The right click brings up the section on the Individual Form where you
> can exclude the problem manually. (Not sure why you would since the
> button will find the right criteria and do it for you.)

Some people prefer to do things manually :) Can't say I wholly blame
them :)

I'm pretty sure I did as you said in your first para.

I think it's good there is such an obvious highlight of a potential
problem.

--
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Gene Young]

On 2/12/2015 8:49 AM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
> On peut se passer d'un tel commentaire. Merci. Je passe à un autre logiciel. 
> Je veux qu'on m'aide non pas me suggérer d'aller voir ailleurs.

au revoir

--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
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[LegacyUG] How's the Web Page Output - Legacy v8

[Gordon Small]

I created my genealogy site using v7.5. Although I've continued my
research, It's been years since I've updated the web and now I'm planning
on another update soon.

I purchased v8 when it was released and played around with it for a couple
days but all my data still resides in my v7.5 installation. I like the fact
that the v8 installation is more Windows compliant and uses the windows
file structure like it's supposed to be used instead of how v7 did it
putting the user files in the root drive. This would be my main reason for
the upgrade. I don't plan on using many of the new features of v8 like the
source writer because I have too many sources now to go back and redo them
all. There *may* be other features I could get used to though. :-/

So, I have a couple questions.

1. If I move all my "user" files (i.e. my personal added content such as
the "family.fdb", photos and documents. Not the Legacy user profile files)
from C:\Legacy over to the My Documents/Legacy Family Tree folder is there
anything that will cause me problems? This probably isn't a big deal for me
because I can usually wade through missing links to photos and things like
that. But if anyone has had any problems I'm interested in knowing if I can
expect any surprises.

2. I'm heavily into web creation. The web output of v7.x, while it leaves a
lot to be desired, is not that hard to work with once you know how to work
around the deficiencies. I'm particularly interested in the pedigree web
page output. For those of you that have upgraded to v8 and output to
pedigree web pages Are there any gotchas in v8 that broke things that
worked v7?

Thanks,
Gordon




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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Pierre Simoneau]

On peut se passer d'un tel commentaire. Merci. Je passe à un autre logiciel. Je 
veux qu'on m'aide non pas me suggérer d'aller voir ailleurs.

  De : Ron Bernier 
 À : legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Envoyé le : jeudi 12 février 2015 8h22
 Objet : RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

You are saying that 
when you close out (X Out) of a note without saving, you lose any information 
that you entered.  Even though you know this is how it works, you do it anyway. 
 So, how is this Legacy’s fault rather than your failure to properly save your 
work?  I love it when folks issue idle “threats”.  If you think that RootsMagic 
is a better product than Legacy, why not just switch rather than making a 
public statement that you are looking at another product.  Ron 
BernierWoonsocket, RI   From: Pierre Simoneau [mailto:pierre6simon...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:04 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug  If I put a word in Bold or 
Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and after the word.  Plus, for over a 
year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without saving), there is no 
warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted this bug for over a 
year. It is about time to correct this bug.  I'm back at ve rsion 7.5 whick is 
trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.

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Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[Howlanddavisii]

To all who wrote:

Thanks for your comments.  But I understand why there is a potential 
problem and I understand, and have, excluded problems where I have checked.  My 
concern, and comment. is why my grand aunt has the symbol but her parents do 
not when, if you would look for an additional child, my grand aunt's name would 
not be involved.  Her parents' names would be; to me, that is what one would be 
looking for.  You are looking for the birth of a child by the parents, not by a 
subsequent son/daughter.

Howland Davis

P.S. Nan, my given name is Howland, not Howard , no problem.  For three 
years, when I worked for Goodyear Tire, the company computer system changed 
Howland to Holland because I, obviously, did not know what I was typing.  I 
finally found the right IT individual who changed the system so it would just 
underline Howland in red but not change it.  And motels frequently take my 
reservation and then put it under Howland so that I am told that they have no 
reservation for Davis.


-Original Message-
From: Nan Bailey 
To: legacyusergroup 
Sent: Thu, Feb 12, 2015 4:34 am
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage




Howard, the red exclamation mark shows what Legacy sees as a "possible" error 
and one that says "birth date too late after marriage" just indicates that in 
usual circumstances, there would be births between the marriage date and that 
childs birth date. Mostly the first birth occurs within the first 2 - 3 years, 
so with the large gap, there is a strong possibility that there are births you 
haven't found or still births that may not even be recorded.

It isn't saying  your Great Aunt is the problem, just that before her birth 
there could be births you have missed. I found this out as I also had this 
message and I also know there are definitely no births beforehand in mine like 
you.

There is a way to turn off this exclamation mark for just this one incident I 
think. Someone with a better knowledge of how Legacy 8 works will tell you.

Nan Bailey

Aus





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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Gene Young]

On 2/12/2015 7:04 AM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
> If I put a word in Bold or Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and 
> after the word.
>
> Plus, for over a year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without 
> saving), there is no warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted 
> this bug for over a year. It is about time to correct this bug.
>
> I'm back at version 7.5 whick is trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.
>

You can submit this as a BUG (it is not) until the cows come home. V7, as has 
been stated repeatedly, will have NO MORE UPDATES! Either upgrade to V8 or 
migrate to RootsMagic.
--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[MikeFry]

On 2015/02/12 03:46 PM, Pierre Simoneau wrote:
> In version 7.5 there was a warning.
>

I get the warning in 8.0!

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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Pierre Simoneau]

In version 7.5 there was a warning.

  De : Jess 
 À : legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Envoyé le : jeudi 12 février 2015 8h28
 Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

Canceling from a screen is an implied "without saving" by virtue of the 
definition of the word cancel. This isn't a bug in the program, rather a flaw 
in your process. If you want to save data in a notes screen, use the save 
button, not cancel.

Jessica Morgan
On Feb 12, 2015, at 6:04 AM, Pierre Simoneau  wrote:

If I put a word in Bold or Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and after 
the word.
Plus, for over a year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without 
saving), there is no warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted 
this bug for over a year. It is about time to correct this bug.
I'm back at version 7.5 whick is trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.


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Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Jess]

Canceling from a screen is an implied "without saving" by virtue of the 
definition of the word cancel. This isn't a bug in the program, rather a flaw 
in your process. If you want to save data in a notes screen, use the save 
button, not cancel.

Jessica Morgan

On Feb 12, 2015, at 6:04 AM, Pierre Simoneau  wrote:

If I put a word in Bold or Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and after 
the word.

Plus, for over a year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without 
saving), there is no warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted 
this bug for over a year. It is about time to correct this bug.

I'm back at version 7.5 whick is trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.


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RE: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Ron Bernier]

You are saying that when you close out (X Out) of a note without saving, you 
lose any information that you entered.  Even though you know this is how it 
works, you do it anyway.  So, how is this Legacy’s fault rather than your 
failure to properly save your work?  I love it when folks issue idle “threats”. 
 If you think that RootsMagic is a better product than Legacy, why not just 
switch rather than making a public statement that you are looking at another 
product.



Ron Bernier

Woonsocket, RI



From: Pierre Simoneau [mailto:pierre6simon...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:04 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug



If I put a word in Bold or Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and after 
the word.



Plus, for over a year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without 
saving), there is no warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted 
this bug for over a year. It is about time to correct this bug.



I'm back at ve rsion 7.5 whick is trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.





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[LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug

[Pierre Simoneau]

If I put a word in Bold or Italic, it adds two or more spaces before and after 
the word.
Plus, for over a year, when you leave General Notes with Cancel (Without 
saving), there is no warning if I quit I loose notes added. I have submitted 
this bug for over a year. It is about time to correct this bug.
I'm back at version 7.5 whick is trustable. I'm looking to RootsMagic.




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Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[Cathy Pinner]

If you check out a potential problem and decide it isn't a problem,
click on the red exclamation mark and choose the Mark as not a Problem
button. It's really very quick and easy. If you hover over it, it will
show what your options are.

The click to view details has a button to Mark as not a Problem after
you've reviewed the data. If there isn't enough data there it has
buttons to get to other data.
The right click brings up the section on the Individual Form where you
can exclude the problem manually. (Not sure why you would since the
button will find the right criteria and do it for you.)
The shift plus right click brings up the dialogue where you can change
the criteria of what is considered a problem.

Easy
Cathy

Charani wrote:
>
> On 12/02/2015 09:32, Nan Bailey wrote:
>>
>> There is a way to turn off this exclamation mark for just this one
>> incident
>> I think. Someone with a better knowledge of how Legacy 8 works will tell
>> you.
>
>
> I had someone flagged as a "possible problem". I think all I did was
> mark it as "exclude from problems".
>
> My mother was flagged as a "possible problem" because of the length of
> time she was born after my grandmother married. Unless there were
> some miscarriages/still births I don't know about, my problem mother
> was the only child.




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Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[Charani]

On 12/02/2015 09:32, Nan Bailey wrote:
> There is a way to turn off this exclamation mark for just this one incident
> I think. Someone with a better knowledge of how Legacy 8 works will tell
> you.

I had someone flagged as a "possible problem".  I think all I did was
mark it as "exclude from problems".

My mother was flagged as a "possible problem" because of the length of
time she was born after my grandmother married.  Unless there were
some miscarriages/still births I don't know about, my problem mother
was the only child.

--
Charani (UK)
OPC for Walton,  Ashcott, Shapwick,
Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage

[Nan Bailey]

Howard, the red exclamation mark shows what Legacy sees as a "possible"
error and one that says "birth date too late after marriage" just indicates
that in usual circumstances, there would be births between the marriage
date and that childs birth date. Mostly the first birth occurs within the
first 2 - 3 years, so with the large gap, there is a strong possibility
that there are births you haven't found or still births that may not even
be recorded.

It isn't saying  your Great Aunt is the problem, just that before her birth
there could be births you have missed. I found this out as I also had this
message and I also know there are definitely no births beforehand in mine
like you.

There is a way to turn off this exclamation mark for just this one incident
I think. Someone with a better knowledge of how Legacy 8 works will tell
you.
Nan Bailey
Aus

On 12 February 2015 at 12:13, Brian/Support 
wrote:

> Well it is her birth date that indicates there may be a problem. That is
> why the symbol is on her.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
> On 11/02/2015 7:22 PM, Howlanddavisii wrote:
> >
> > Brian:
> >
> >   OK, that may be Legacy's definition but why is it a potential
> problem for her and not for her parents?  Her parents were the couple who
> could have a missing child.  My grand aunt had nothing to do with the
> process.  Is this an error in who has the red exclamation symbol attached
> to them?
> >
> > Howland Davis
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian/Support 
> > To: legacyusergroup 
> > Sent: Wed, Feb 11, 2015 7:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] First Birth After Marriage
> >
> >
> > It is referring to her and the fact that, I assume she was the first
> > born child, she was born too many years after the marriage of her
> parents.
> >
> > Brian
> > Customer Support
> > Millennia Corporation
> > br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
> >
> > On 11/02/2015 5:28 PM, Howlanddavisii wrote:
> >>
> >>   I am using Legacy 8, download 8.0.0.454 (I know, I should update).
> >>   I have a grand aunt who has a red exclamation symbol.  When I
> click for
> > the details, it says 'Birth of first child tool ate after after marriage
> date.'
> > She had no children and it is marked as such.  Her parents married seven
> years
> > before her birth.  So to whom is the potential problem referring?  If
> you are
> > looking for a preceding sibling, shouldn't the parents have the red
> exclamation
> > symbol not their child; the child was not involved with the birth of any
> prior
> > child?
> >>
> >> Howland Davis
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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