Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function

[CE WOOD]

>From the lack of attention to the many who made them the company they once 
>were, it is a sad day.

CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
yp0uzqxoy...@opayq.com 
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 7:06 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function


Chris Hill, the retired IT Guru can probably answer your question about 
Legacy’s Unicode capabilities, but as he said in a previous post, the 
underlying database is simply and Access table(s) which based on version has 
varying degrees of Unicode abilities.



When editing an Individual’s Information, the is a small vertical bar to the 
left of the data fields that allows you to add “special characters”; perhaps 
your u-double-acute.  You can select various character sets, but I don’t need 
it and would find it cumbersome if I did.



I for one could not abide MyHeritage.  I have a fairly capable computer with 
two SSD drives and a discrete graphics card running Windows 10 64 bit, but 
MyHeritage runs like molasses on it, and I finally removed it.  Plus, I’m not 
paying for another program, especially one that has all the symptoms of an 
early beta.



Legacy is a nice program, though it could use a cleaner interface, and I think 
in general, Millennia attempts to take care of its customers, but this very 
lengthy period without mapping is not endearing.  It is critical when selecting 
or finding accurate locations.



Should they fix the latest bugs introduced in .269 and bring a capable mapping 
function back, I’d be willing to upgrade to a version 10 if required.  Please 
don’t start any rumors about a new version.  I have no knowledge of one, nor 
any insights into what Millennia is working on.



Mark Trevithick

3rd generation Coloradan who’s left the once magnificent mountains to the 
Californicators…





IF THIS IS SPAM, CLICK HERE TO BLOCK THIS MASKED EMAIL.


I am wondering whether this problem with the new Bing interface is related to 
the problem of Legacy not being able to accept data which uses Unicode 
characters, which most programs in this 21st century can, even Windows Notepad. 
I have raised the Unicode issue several times with Legacy in the past and have 
been told that it is because of the underlying database they use, and would 
require a major re-write of Legacy to fix, so, is unlikely to happen.

Legacy is an excellent and very capable genealogical program, but, unlike other 
popular genie programs, has this major weakness of not being able to support a 
wide range of characters in the data you enter. For example, I have ancestors 
in Hungary, but cannot enter names and places with their correct spelling 
because the English-speaking version of Legacy will not accept Eastern European 
characters, such as u-double-acute. It will accept only characters from the 
Western European character set. (Legacy versions in other languages would 
accept characters in their language of course, but only from the one respective 
256-character set ("code page"). But this is only one aspect of not being able 
to operate in a Unicode environment.

So, are we going to get a band-aid mapping facility, or is Millennia/MyHeritage 
going to bite the bullet and fix Legacy properly for the 21st century, or are 
they going to eventually fob us off on to MyHeritage's Family Tree Builder? At 
least that program can exist in a Unicode environment. Millennia's "Customer 
Service" certainly leaves its loyal users in the dark. Very sad. Come on 
Millennia, take your loyal users into your confidence - you might even end up 
losing less that way, if that's what you're scared of.

If you want to be totally depressed, check out this admittedly 2017 in-depth 
review of Legacy's situation:
https://www.tamurajones.net/MyHeritageBuysMilennnia.xhtml
Let's hope she's wrong.

Peter Matthews
(Grumpy Old Man on soapbox)

At 12:27 06-01-19 -0500, Ronald Bernier wrote:


POSTED BY MICHELLE SIMMONS LEWIS FOUR HOURS AGO ON THE FACEBOOK LEGACY GROUP

"Mapping will not be coming back in its current form. The developers are 
working on something new. Legacy’s platform is simply incompatible with the 
new Bing API.

I am closing the comments."
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function

[yp0uzqxoy9b9]

Chris Hill, the retired IT Guru can probably answer your question about 
Legacy’s Unicode capabilities, but as he said in a previous post, the 
underlying database is simply and Access table(s) which based on version has 
varying degrees of Unicode abilities.

 

When editing an Individual’s Information, the is a small vertical bar to the 
left of the data fields that allows you to add “special characters”; perhaps 
your u-double-acute.  You can select various character sets, but I don’t need 
it and would find it cumbersome if I did.

 

I for one could not abide MyHeritage.  I have a fairly capable computer with 
two SSD drives and a discrete graphics card running Windows 10 64 bit, but 
MyHeritage runs like molasses on it, and I finally removed it.  Plus, I’m not 
paying for another program, especially one that has all the symptoms of an 
early beta.

 

Legacy is a nice program, though it could use a cleaner interface, and I think 
in general, Millennia attempts to take care of its customers, but this very 
lengthy period without mapping is not endearing.  It is critical when selecting 
or finding accurate locations.

 

Should they fix the latest bugs introduced in .269 and bring a capable mapping 
function back, I’d be willing to upgrade to a version 10 if required.  Please 
don’t start any rumors about a new version.  I have no knowledge of one, nor 
any insights into what Millennia is working on.

 

Mark Trevithick

3rd generation Coloradan who’s left the once magnificent mountains to the 
Californicators…

 

 

 



I am wondering whether this problem with the new Bing interface is related to 
the problem of Legacy not being able to accept data which uses Unicode 
characters, which most programs in this 21st century can, even Windows Notepad. 
I have raised the Unicode issue several times with Legacy in the past and have 
been told that it is because of the underlying database they use, and would 
require a major re-write of Legacy to fix, so, is unlikely to happen.

Legacy is an excellent and very capable genealogical program, but, unlike other 
popular genie programs, has this major weakness of not being able to support a 
wide range of characters in the data you enter. For example, I have ancestors 
in Hungary, but cannot enter names and places with their correct spelling 
because the English-speaking version of Legacy will not accept Eastern European 
characters, such as u-double-acute. It will accept only characters from the 
Western European character set. (Legacy versions in other languages would 
accept characters in their language of course, but only from the one respective 
256-character set ("code page"). But this is only one aspect of not being able 
to operate in a Unicode environment.

So, are we going to get a band-aid mapping facility, or is Millennia/MyHeritage 
going to bite the bullet and fix Legacy properly for the 21st century, or are 
they going to eventually fob us off on to MyHeritage's Family Tree Builder? At 
least that program can exist in a Unicode environment. Millennia's "Customer 
Service" certainly leaves its loyal users in the dark. Very sad. Come on 
Millennia, take your loyal users into your confidence - you might even end up 
losing less that way, if that's what you're scared of.

If you want to be totally depressed, check out this admittedly 2017 in-depth 
review of Legacy's situation:
https://www.tamurajones.net/MyHeritageBuysMilennnia.xhtml
Let's hope she's wrong.

Peter Matthews 
(Grumpy Old Man on soapbox)

At 12:27 06-01-19 -0500, Ronald Bernier wrote:



POSTED BY MICHELLE SIMMONS LEWIS FOUR HOURS AGO ON THE FACEBOOK LEGACY GROUP

"Mapping will not be coming back in its current form. The developers are 
working on something new. Legacy’s platform is simply incompatible with the 
new Bing API. 

I am closing the comments."

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[LegacyUG] Anyone using Genome Mate Pro ?

[Valerie Garton]

 

 

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney. DNA - A086848,
T756083, H947365, MyHeritage & gedmatch

 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function

[Wendy Howard via LegacyUserGroup]

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

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No-one at Legacy has said that a decision has been made to not update the
mapping feature.

Legacy has been saying all along that they are working on a solution.  It
is taking time.  No-one knows how long it is going to take before there is
a working solution available.

Wendy


From: ltsjdad 
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 10:05:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function
>
> It would have been very helpful if a notice had been posted by Legacy to
> this list when the decision was made to not update the mapping program.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function

[ltsjdad via LegacyUserGroup]

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

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It would have been very helpful if a notice had been posted by Legacy to this 
list when the decision was made to not update the mapping program. 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Gene Hutson  
Date: 1/6/19  5:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Legacy User Group 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function 
Well, so much for ‘customer service’ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ronald 
Bernier
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Re: [LegacyUG] Questions regarding TREE FINDER (View>Trees) Legacy 9 and deleting all parties in database that have one specific Source

[Cathy Pinner]

The important thing to note about the Tree Finder is that you need to 
refresh it manually as it takes time to refresh so isn't refreshed 
automatically. When using it in a session you are likely to want to go 
back to take a look at another tree and you won't want to wait for it to 
refresh.


How many separate trees you have will depend on how you use your file. 
Having 198 trees in your file is not odd. I have over 300. That's partly 
because I add witnesses sometimes as unlinked people when I suspect from 
their name they may turn out to be relatives or particular friends. Also 
I have recorded every person of a common surname in an area (a limited 
one name study) in order to sort them out and help find mine. In 
addition I found several lines of my family intertwined in two villages 
of that area so I've done a small area study. I don't want these in 
separate files. I started with them in separate files and ended up in a 
mess with people in more than one file sometimes all updated and 
sometimes only one updated with new information. So much easier with 
them all in one file. I've been able to combine duplicates and link 
others into my main tree.


Re deleting 3000 plus people who use a particular source, I'd want to be 
very very sure that none of them were part of my main tree. You can do 
that by tagging your main tree from the Tree Finder and then searching 
to see if anyone has the tag from the show list to the source AND the 
tag from tagging your main tree.
Even so I'd leave them be as they're not doing any harm. Maybe hashtag 
them for a more permanent indicator.


Cathy

Chris Hill via LegacyUserGroup wrote on 7/01/2019 2:14 AM:

Hi

    The Tree Finder is identifying trees within your database that are 
not linked to any other trees. Having 198 of them is odd - I 
occasionally get an odd one, usually as a result of deleting the 
individual that joined them and left someone that was linked to him 
still in the database.


This does suggest that you have been removing individuals, but not 
other individuals linked to them. The question, of course, is whether 
that was a valid decision. If it is then it implies that the other 
trees are not related to yours and can be removed The Tree Finder 
allows you to tag each tree and Advanced Deleting allows you to delete 
the individuals by its tag. Obviously, clear the tag you want to use 
first _*and make sure that you have a backup*_.


    Regarding the sources, I can follow your process and I can tag 
everyone using a specific source, but I do not get "All individuals 
who Use this Master Source 3735", I just get that without the number. 
In any case, I would then use Advanced Deleting to remove the tagged 
individuals.


HOWEVER, I WOULD NOT DO THAT without verifying that the selected 
individuals can be validly removed. If not, there is a very large 
chance of creating more trees in your database.


    It would be better to verify that the additional trees are not 
required and then remove them first. Hopefully, that will remove most 
or all of the individuals using the source. If the remaining tree is 
then valid, you can remove the source, but not the individuals.


Regards

Chris

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From: "kinhunter25" mailto:kinhunte...@gmail.com>>
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Sent: 06/01/2019 14:55:18
Subject: [LegacyUG] Questions regarding TREE FINDER (View>Trees) 
Legacy 9 and deleting all parties in database that have one specific 
Source


I am trying to delete all parties and their relatives who have a 
specific Source as the people identified with this source as I do not 
want these people in my database (not in any way related to me). So I 
went to View, Master Lists and clicked on sources, found that 
specific source, and then clicked on Show List and tagged those 
people. At the very top of the page listing all those people that are 
tagged, it says "All individuals who Use this Master Source 3735".  
DOES that mean that I will be deleting 3735 people? I won't be 
deleting anyone until I get an answer from someone who definitely 
knows and has maybe tried deleting in this manner.


Now, how does the TREE FINDER fit into this, or does it? BTW, it 
shows that I have 198 trees and shows a count number ranging from a 
low of 1 person in the tree to the highest of 9291 people, I think 
that's what it means! I tried clicking on the last person in the list 
(shows only a single person) and she does have the source I want to 
get rid of, is also a singleton entry and shows the correct tag 
number for those I tagged in the above paragraph.






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