Re: [LegacyUG] Potential problems and capital surnames

[Ian Gardener]

There's also a bug in names where if you accidently use a mix of upper
& lower case (ie john william Doe), it ignores preferences for
capitalisation and leaves it exactly how it is.

On 12/23/13, Kurt Kneeland  wrote:
> Options -> Customize 3.4 if set to Show Surnames in uppercase DOES NOT
> change how the data is stored, only how it is displayed.
>
> Curious – for Mc names the c is NOT capitalized.  This appears to be
> intentional, though does not extend to Mac names, de names, la names or le
> names.
>
> Applies to Family View, Pedigree View, Descendant View, Index View, Name
> List, Marriage List and possibly others.
>
> In Chronology View, it seems to only be applied to non-bolded names (this
> appears to be a bug).
>
> It does NOT apply to the Individual Information screen, where surname is
> displayed as entered/stored.
>
> For Reports, there are separate options for displaying surnames in uppercase
> under Report Options, Format Tab.
>
>
>
> Options -> Customize 3.3 DOES change how the data is stored.  It only
> affects newly entered data unless you click the Apply button which then
> changes existing data.
>
> This option needs to used with great care.
>
>
>
> From: David Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Potential problems and capital surnames
>
>
>
> If one types in the CORRECT case of the surname, then when the “Show all
> caps” is used and then turned off, the same case as typed should be
> displayed.
>
> It may NOT always happen, that is why I never use the All caps for any
> surname, and there is NO rule that I shall or should, use them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> David C Abernathy
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> From: Douglas Tighe [mailto:littlehand...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:04 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Potential problems and capital surnames
>
>
>
> How do you easily fix the problem of, if you change to  "ALL CAPITALS" then
> if you convert back to first letter capitols only surnames commencing with
> MacZyz or McXyz the x and y will be in lower case, and it should not be.
>
> Hopefully you understand what I am getting about.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Doug Tighe
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Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter

[Ian Gardener]

Source writer templates don't really suit a lot of Aussie records
either. If only we could add templates. Having said that source writer
is still a good tool.

On 12/23/13, Kathy Thompson  wrote:
> Not a problem Terry - thank you :)
>
>
> On 22 December 2013 01:16, Terry L.  wrote:
>
>> Kathy
>>
>> I was refering to Birth, Marriage, and Death certificates. Sorry for the
>> confusion.
>>
>> Terry Laraman
>>
>> --
>> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:11:52 +1000
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter
>> From: kmthoms...@gmail.com
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>
>> Terry, which BMD source template do you use?
>> I've been looking for one that will work and can not find one suitable
>> for
>> (IMO) for FreeBMD register results.
>>
>>
>> On 16 December 2013 01:15, Terry L.  wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Jenny. I find using the BMD source tmplate just fine. I fill
>> in what is there and then take a screen shot and add that to the media. A
>> template for FreeReg would be nice.
>>
>> Terry Laraman
>>
>> > From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
>> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter
>> > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:03:22 +
>>
>> >
>> > On 15/12/2013 12:11, Larry Lee wrote:
>> > > My issue is the time and effort it takes to find a template I like
>> > > from
>> > > the plethora of choices.
>> >
>> > I concede that this would be a problem if one had to read down a long,
>> > long list of possible templates, but I think the system of "levels"
>> > with
>> > limited choices at each level usually makes finding an appropriate
>> > template a fairly quick and easy task.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jenny M Benson
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[LegacyUG] I've sent a suggestion through but wanted to air it here too.

[Ian Gardener]

Source writer. Given the dominance of social media and the number of genie
sites on facebook, etc, surely "social media" should be an option on its
own or under internet instead of having to use generic website?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar

[Ian Gardener]

Then how come in legacy 7.5 they are four times the size they are in legacy
8. It can only scale the original icon and they are too small. I've opened
the icons in an icon editor and they are tiny.


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Mike Fry  wrote:

> On 2013/12/11 09:20, Ian Gardener wrote:
>
> > Simple. The icons for quick access are way too small.
>
> Their size is determined by the height of _EVERY_ Windows Titlebar
>
> --
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> Johannesburg (g)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Widths

[Ian Gardener]

Yes its a real PITA.


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

> strange - my Assigned Sources window stays at the same dimensions I set it
> to, but the column widths don't stay the same, they jump back to preset
> percentages
>
> Can we confirm a bug here? Or do we need to put in an adjustment request?
>
>
> On 11 December 2013 12:55, Ian Gardener  wrote:
>
>> Yes even resizing the window just widens the column/s I don't need to see.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:
>>
>>> Now that's a reminder of an irritant.
>>>
>>> I think it's only a problem with the Assigned Sources?
>>>
>>> What other windows have columns that don't stick where the size of
>>> columns is a problem?
>>>
>>> Maybe the Event/Fact list?
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> At 10:30 AM 11/12/2013, you wrote:
>>> >When I open a popup window (in this case Assigned Sources) I have to
>>> >change widths of each column to see what I want. But each time I
>>> >open a window the column sizes have reverted back to a width that
>>> >for me is useless.
>>> >
>>> >Is there a way to fix this please?
>>>
>>>
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[LegacyUG] Source Date

[Ian Gardener]

When citing a source and in the detail screen. I enter the "date accessed"
and a popup asks me if I want to overwrite what is already entered in the
date accessed window. There is nothing in the date accessed window, is this
a bug?

It is definitely a PITA :)



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[LegacyUG] Relationship display.

[Ian Gardener]

Legacy 8.0.0.363

I have Legacy set to show relationships to me. My immediate uncle sows
UNCLE with WIFE OF UNCLE right over the top of it. No relationship shows
for his wife (my aunt). Screen is in 1440x900 resolution and window is
maximised. Any thoughts?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to LegacyUserGroup mailing list

[Ian Gardener]

I too created a new email address. Despite trying to subscribe over
and over (abt 40 times), unsubscribe, resubcribe, etc it wouldn't
work. Question to support went totally unanswered (unusual in my
experience). In the end I have been forced to go back to my old email
address and all the spam it gets. :(

On 12/12/13, Ward Walker  wrote:
> Stephanie,
>
> Who to ask is Legacy Technical Support (supp...@legacyfamilytree.com). You
> might have seen this topic on your working account, as it came up 3 days ago
> and many, many times in the past.
>
> I wish that Legacy would add instructions about this frequent problem to the
> verification e-mail, where they already have a message about the broken
> link.
>
>   Ward
>
> From: Stephanie Thompson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:56 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to LegacyUserGroup mailing
> list
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> Hello.  I am not sure who to ask, and figured I would see if this goes
> through.  I have another email address that is a part of this user group
> that is working just fine, but I wanted to switch to this account since this
> is the one I will use for all my genealogy stuff.  I have subscribed to the
> list twice now with this email address, and received the verification email.
>  I click the link in the email and it says I am subscribed.  But I have yet
> to received any of the emails through this account yet.  Thoughts?
>
> Thank you,
> Stephanie
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Re: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar

[Ian Gardener]

Simple. The icons for quick access are way too small.


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Kurt Kneeland
wrote:

> Win7 it's at Control Panel -> Display.  The default appears to be
> Smaller-100%.  The option is for Medium-125%.  It marginally increases the
> size of the top line in Legacy8 with Quick Access toolbar icons.
>
> But be forewarned - THERE ARE LOTS OF SIDE EFFECTS.
>
> Also you have to close all apps, log off, and log back in for it to take
> effect.
>
> Within Legacy8 family view, the children list got reduced from 6 to 4 (per
> column if that is what you're set for), doesn't seem to affect Pedigree or
> Descendant views very much,  positive increase on Chronology View, larger
> and wider fonts on Index View meaning more truncated data unless you expand
> column widths which then means more horizontal scrolling depending on how
> many data fields you are displaying, no significant difference on the Name
> List.  If you're using the Family View, Children in a Grid List mode,
> you'll probably have to scroll more - vertically and horizontally.
>
> Additional effects outside Legacy.  Starting with Desktop - Icons will be
> larger - and PROBABLY REARRANGED.  Can compensate by selecting smaller
> desktop icons.  Might want to do that first and maybe avoid having them
> rearrange.  Most other programs will also have some display features
> enlarged.  Tradeoff is more scrolling - horizontal and/or vertical
> depending on the app and what's being displayed.
>
> Some may need the increased size and find this desirable, but if you're
> happy with the majority of your apps/displays as they are, you'll probably
> dislike more than you'll like.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:12 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar
>
> But Legacy 7 doesn't have a Quick Access Toolbar.
>
> The Quick Access Toolbar is on the Title Bar, not on a Ribbon.
>
> The equivalent to the Legacy 7 Toolbar is the My Toolbar Ribbon
>
> Anyway they can all be made bigger with Windows options. I just can't
> recall exactly where the option is in Win 7.
>
> The Customisation of the Toolbar in Legacy 7 allowed you to choose
> different icon sizes and that has gone in Legacy 8.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 10:57 AM 11/12/2013, you wrote:
> >Not so I'm afraid. I'm using Win7. If I open up Legacy 7.x, the icons
> >in the access bar are four times the size they are when I open Legacy 8
> >on the same pc with the same settings.
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Cathy Pinner
> ><genea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hi Ian,
> >
> >This is a function of Windows.
> >
> >In Windows 8.1 it's in Control Panel - Display
> >where you can make the size of all items larger or smaller.
> >
> >If you find the Windows option and the Quick
> >Access Toolbar still isn't large enough then the
> >option is to set up the My Toolbar Ribbon instead and use that.
> >
> >Thanks for the query. I hadn't thought of that and will try it larger
> myself.
> >Cathy
> >
> >At 10:11 AM 11/12/2013, you wrote:
> > >In Legacy 8 the Quick Access Toolbar is so small
> > >that I struggle to see it even with my work
> > >glasses on. Is there a way to make it bigger? ?
>
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[LegacyUG] Legacy 8 glitches.

[Ian Gardener]

Reporting as I go.

Using source writer - source detail, I click on the media tab, click on the
add media tab which then requires me to select yet another add media tab.
This is a totally unnecessary extra step/duplication.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar

[Ian Gardener]

Not so I'm afraid. I'm using Win7. If I open up Legacy 7.x, the icons in
the access bar are four times the size they are when I open Legacy 8 on the
same pc with the same settings.


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> This is a function of Windows.
>
> In Windows 8.1 it's in Control Panel - Display
> where you can make the size of all items larger or smaller.
>
> If you find the Windows option and the Quick
> Access Toolbar still isn't large enough then the
> option is to set up the My Toolbar Ribbon instead and use that.
>
> Thanks for the query. I hadn't thought of that and will try it larger
> myself.
> Cathy
>
> At 10:11 AM 11/12/2013, you wrote:
> >In Legacy 8 the Quick Access Toolbar is so small
> >that I struggle to see it even with my work
> >glasses on. Is there a way to make it bigger?Â
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Widths

[Ian Gardener]

Yes even resizing the window just widens the column/s I don't need to see.


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Now that's a reminder of an irritant.
>
> I think it's only a problem with the Assigned Sources?
>
> What other windows have columns that don't stick where the size of
> columns is a problem?
>
> Maybe the Event/Fact list?
>
> Cathy
>
> At 10:30 AM 11/12/2013, you wrote:
> >When I open a popup window (in this case Assigned Sources) I have to
> >change widths of each column to see what I want. But each time I
> >open a window the column sizes have reverted back to a width that
> >for me is useless.
> >
> >Is there a way to fix this please?
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Column Widths

[Ian Gardener]

When I open a popup window (in this case Assigned Sources) I have to change
widths of each column to see what I want. But each time I open a window the
column sizes have reverted back to a width that for me is useless.

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[LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar

[Ian Gardener]

In Legacy 8 the Quick Access Toolbar is so small that I struggle to see it
even with my work glasses on. Is there a way to make it bigger?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Validation,.

[Ian Gardener]

I'm not using quotes :)

I enter the date the same way I have for years and get the error
message/window. The real problem is that the warning window will NOT close
no matter what I do. I had to terminate the program using task manager.

It would not even let me change the date! I tried entering just 1954 but it
gave the same error  message WITH the original date I entered back in the
date field.


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

>  Hi Ian,
>
> I'm not sure I get some of what you've said.
>
> Date Options are at Options - Customise - 5.
>
> Is that where you set the date separator?
>
> I assume you're not including the quotes.
>
> I just entered "c 01/1954" without any problem and it converted to "cir
> Jan 1954"
> cir is just an awful abbreviation as far as I'm concerned so you can see I
> don't use the c dates much as I haven't altered the display.
>
> I have full date checking on. You turn it on again at 5.5
>
> I entered "c01/1954" without the space between c and 01 and got a warning.
>
> Note you don't need to use the separator when adding dates. A space is
> enough.
>
> I wonder what settings we have different that gives you an error?
>
> Cathy
>
>
> At 05:34 PM 28/11/2013, you wrote:
>
> Â I just switched to V8 today. I'm trying to enter the date "c 01/1954"
> and no matter what format I type it won't accept it. BUT the real problem
> is that date checking brings up the warning screen (I have checking turned
> on) but no matter what I do I cannot move past that warning window.
>
>
> Deleting the date just produces the same warning, as does telling it to
> accept the date and ignore warnings, clicking the X to close it & turning
> date validation off. There is seemingly no way back from this?
>
> In previous versions I could enter the date as "c 01/1954" or "c01/1954".
>
> **I have date separator set to "/".
>
> Ian GARDENER - Australia
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Date Validation,.

[Ian Gardener]

 I just switched to V8 today. I'm trying to enter the date "c 01/1954" and
no matter what format I type it won't accept it. BUT the real problem is
that date checking brings up the warning screen (I have checking turned on)
but no matter what I do I cannot move past that warning window.

Deleting the date just produces the same warning, as does telling it to
accept the date and ignore warnings, clicking the X to close it & turning
date validation off. There is seemingly no way back from this?

In previous versions I could enter the date as "c 01/1954" or "c01/1954".

**I have date separator set to "/".

Ian GARDENER - Australia



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RE: [LegacyUG] new.familysearch.org

[Ian GARDENER]

I tried to register and it told me I was already registered. When I tried to 
log in with my details it said it WAS NOT available to the general public. And 
there is no link to contact them.

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012 1:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] new.familysearch.org

Many non-LDS users are accessing nFS now - go to

new.FamilySearch.org

Some people have said they received their log-in quickly, others had
to wait. On the page where you sign up is a link to contact them about
your registration.

Once you receive your log-in from the church, you can use the
FamilySearch feature in Legacy.


and register with them.
Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
> The only people that have access to new FamilySearch are LDS church members
> and some non LDS beta testers.  Access will become public one day but no one
> knows exactly when.

>
> Michele



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RE: [LegacyUG] Living or dead

[Ian GARDENER]

The problem with assigning living to them all is that they won't show in 
reports where you select privacy for the living. Of course if you're not 
producing reports for anyone else to see, it won't matter :)

Ian J GARDENER
Victoria, Australia
www.gardener.org.au

Researching GARDENER (Aust), McDOUGALL(Aust), McNAIR(Aust),  TRAYNOR(Aust), 
SHANAHAN, OCKWELL(Aust),  HADLEY  (Eng), TAYLOR (Eng) & LONG (Tas, Aust).

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 10:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Living or dead

On 06/09/2012 21:18, Karen and Jim wrote:
> Hi Listers,
>
> I'm in the process of making my tree more bushy.
>
> Problem:
> When asked if a new entree is living or dead, since I don't know
> which, what should I respond?
> Entrees are for births around the beginning of the 20th century.
> Country is Denmark.
>
> My general way of doing things is to enter marriages, then births,
> then confirmations, and finally deaths.
>
> I think I should respond "living" until proven otherwise.
> What do y'all think?

That's what I do.

--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Ian GARDENER]

11 Aug 2006 here too.

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 5:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

Go to your Legacy folder and find a file called RG.dat. In a column called Date 
Modified you'll see a date. In Windows switch to Details view to see that 
column.

JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 8/28/2012 11:28 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> Michele wrote " You just go into  the Legacy folder on your hard drive "
>
> That doesn't do it for me -- I need more specific details, please.  I
> did find a file/folder(?) marked "Research" and it had a July 2012
> date, but I don't think that was it.
>
> Pat
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:01 PM,  > wrote:
>
> __
> I didn't see an answer to Pat's question.
> Marie
>
> Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL/
> Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C./
> ---
> CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer
> are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® ,
> used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic
> competency evaluations.
> In a message dated 8/28/2012 8:51:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> j...@jgen.ws  writes:
>
> On 8/28/2012 12:36 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
>  > Where do  you look to get the date??
>  >
>  > Pat
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Clicking between screens in Family View

[Ian GARDENER]

Thank you Brian,

That was very helpful, in fact I've printed out those tips & tricks to form 
part of a ready reference folder that I keep handy.

Cheers

Ian GARDENER

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Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012 11:33 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Clicking between screens in Family View

Open the help file, Type Family View in the search box and select Tips and 
Tricks topic. In fact that help topic has many tips and tricks for other 
screens in Legacy as well.

Brian
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RE: [LegacyUG] Radius Search of Geo location database

[Ian GARDENER]

Thanks Ron & Gene,

I've downloaded FastStone Capture & I'll give that a go. But first I'm off to 
put in a suggestion about exporting the radius search.

Ian

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Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012 7:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Radius Search of Geo location database

Ian,
If you use a screen capture program like FastStone Capture, it can grab the 
entire scrollable list from the screen and allow it to be printed in full.  The 
last version of FastStone Capture that was free was version 5.3 which can still 
be found on the internet with a little searching.  Their current product is not 
free but quite inexpensive.

I often use this screen capture utility to take pictures from my screen, save 
them to disk, and then link them to my Legacy database.  There are other 
utilities available for screen capture but this one includes the ability to 
capture all of a scrollable window without stitching the pieces together.
Ron Taylor

--- On Mon, 8/27/12, Brian/Support  wrote:

> From: Brian/Support 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Radius Search of Geo location database
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:54 AM There is no option to export
> the list nor to print a list of the results.
>
> We are happy to consider suggestions for new features.
>
> In Legacy 6.0 and 7.0 you can suggest a new feature by clicking on the
> link on the Legacy Home Tab Support Section
>
> Other users can make a suggestion here:
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Suggest.asp
>
> Use the drop down list in the first box to select a category, Legacy 7
> or Legacy Charting.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
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>
> On 23/08/2012 22:50, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> > I've just been read the "unofficial guide to legacy and
> on page 61 it tells
> > how to do a radius search of the geolocation db, to
> find nearby towns &
> > research prospects.
> >
> > I wasn't aware of this feature & it's great BUT
> seem to be missing the
> > logical conclusion to the process, being the ability to
> print (or export)
> > that search result. Is there any way of doing this that
> I've missed or do I
> > have to hand copy the nearly 80 results in my 5km
> radius search? The issue
> > of course being that the location is part of
> capital city that has
> > undergone huge growth & division in 200 years.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> --
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Clicking between screens in Family View

[Ian GARDENER]

Yes they were.

thanks

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Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2012 11:34 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Clicking between screens in Family View

It is supposed to scroll through the siblings of the highlighted person.
Are the siblings of the person who was highlighted in sequence when you found 
this feature?

Brian
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On 25/08/2012 21:08, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> I just happened to notice that in family view, if you click in the
> blank space in between the husband and wife screens, it scrolls
> through your people by RIN number. One at a time.
>
> Ian
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RE: [LegacyUG] Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Let's try again)

[Ian GARDENER]

I have hand drawn charts from the family but nobody knows who drew them, they 
are quite old. They are the source. Of course I have to verify everything but 
they remain the original source.

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 7:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Let's try again)

On 24/08/2012 03:57, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> Unfortunately I can't help you directly but I find myself being forced
> to use the basic source option fairly often because the sourcewriter
> options are very restrictive & clearly designed for US users more than
> others. I sorely wish there was an option to add categories in the
> first screen of source writer. The generic option just doesn't quite
> cut it in many situations.

My research is about 95% UK and I only have 3 Basic Sources now, having 
converted all the rest to SourceWriter.  And I will convert those 3 in due 
course.

I think some people don't realise that you don't have to fill in every field on 
the template and you can ignore the field names if you wish.
Take the Generic, Manuscript template.  The fields on the Master are 
"Collection" and "Respository" - doesn't mean you can't enter something like 
"Auntie Fanny's Recipe Book" as the Collection and ignore the Repository if you 
wish.  Then the fields for the Source Detail are Item Title, Item Date, Item 
Type and Item No.  If those fields don't suit the item you are citing, just 
ignore the last 3 and write something meaningful in the first field - you could 
write a whole paragraph in the style of a Basic Source Citation if you wished.
>
> Even it had a "personal research notes" or "transcribed notes" option
> might help.

I'm not quite sure how such notes would be used as Sources - surely the Source 
would be the documents/films/websites/whatever that you consulted and from 
which you made notes and the notes would be added to the Text or Comments 
fields?  However, if you wanted to use such options they would fit very neatly 
into the Collection field of the template I mentioned above.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Please trim

[Ian GARDENER]

Cheers,

Perhaps I'm just easily confused. Although my wife refuses to accept that 
excuse :)

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 1:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please trim

I just trimmed all the reference to keeping previous posts from my sig block. 
As Sherry explained we used to have a need for keeping all correspondence when 
working with users. That sig block dates from then and was automatically added 
to my messages to this list as well.

Brian
Customer Support
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http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 23/08/2012 22:48, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Given this on ALL of Brian's messages could you please clarify the official 
> position?
> =
> Brian
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RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Source Writer and Clipboard

[Ian GARDENER]

Tiff files were, and to some degree still are, the preferred format four HIGH 
QUALITY images, but this is becoming less favoured with each revision of the 
jpeg standard. The real problem with tiffs is that they are huge in comparison 
to jpeg files and consequently have issues in that:

*They take up a lot of space & hardware real estate.

*They have much longer data transfer times.

*They tie up internet bandwidth unnecessarily.

*Most home pc's simply cannot process a really large high quality tiff, ie try 
loading a 1200dpi tiff file and your computer will freeze. Note 1200dpi is more 
for professional work but it demonstrates the point.

They do still have their place in my opinion but you have to carefully evaluate 
what that is.

For me, I store all my images within legacy (other than pdf's) as jpg files. 
However images that I rate as critical and/or irreplaceable, I keep a high 
quality tiff image on a backup medium away from my home. An example would be 
old family photographs that are only copies. If my house burns down I can 
reproduce a true high quality image on photographic paper from the tiff file.

Mine is but one opinion of many in the image standard debate :)


-Original Message-
From: Sentz [mailto:ro...@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 8:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Source Writer and Clipboard

Lots of nuances to the source writer.  When I click on the event and then 
click on the source citation in the event window, the citation does show up on 
the list for alt. death and I did find it in the main citation list for the 
record by scrolling down further.  The document image was saved on my computer 
as a .jpg file.  I did as you suggested and saved the picture to the event.  
Should we be saving the picture to
the event and the citation?
Geoff mentioned in his last webinar saving some things in a .tif file
as opposed to a .jpg.   Does anyone recall the reasoning behind this?
Something about the difference in the documents, ie. Bible records vs.
other types of records.  Why would one file type be better than the other?

-- Original Message --
From: "Jenny M Benson" 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: 8/22/2012 7:26:11 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer and Clipboard
>On 21/08/2012 23:45, Sentz wrote:
>
>>
>>One of the reasons I bought Legacy was because of the sourcewriter and
>>clipboard tools. I have been struggling with these tools for about a
>>year.  I have rerun Geoff's start up Ultimate Guide on the topic and
>>watched his various webinars where he uses the source writer and
>>clipboard, including his most recent one, and have also read
>>documentation.   I think I have the process down and then something goes
>>haywire with the sourcewriter or the clipboard.  I am not a novice
>>with data entry or relational data bases, so this is getting very
>>frustrating. What I end up doing is not doing anything in the database
>>for a while, take a breather and try again.
>>The latest problemI was entering an alternate death event for my
>>great grandmother.  I clicked on the tirangle and set up the master
>>source which went okay.  Then I set up the detail including linking an
>>image of the page from the death index that I had downloaded and
>>cropped from Family Search.  Everything looked okay and I clicked save
>>and then clicked the bar on the left on the window for the event
>>detail.  Then saved the event. It's my understanding that a plus sign
>>should show on the line following the event.  Am I correct? When I
>>check on the documentation link for the record, the death citation
>>information is not showing.  Also, in the event window, the data field
>>labels were highlighted. Perhaps is this case it has to do with where
>>I have the document image stored.
>>I keep thinking that there must be some little step that I am not
>>doing correctly.  Any advice would be welcome.
>>
>
>
>The + will be there if you have attached a picture to the Event, not if
>you have attached it to the Source.
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Please trim

[Ian GARDENER]

Then perhaps it needs to be removed from outgoing messages as it conflicts with 
what you are saying. Don't get me wrong, I agree with your post but have been 
leaving everything previous because of Brian's tagline.

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 12:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please trim

That's related to off-list correspondence, not the LUG.

At one time we had a different system for handling our support emails and we 
really needed to have the thread of correspondence quoted. We have a different 
system now and really don't need to have the previous correspondence, esp on 
the LUG list.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Ian GARDENER  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Given this on ALL of Brian's messages could you please clarify the
> official position?
>
> =
>
> Brian

>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Let's try again)

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi Tony,

Unfortunately I can't help you directly but I find myself being forced to use 
the basic source option fairly often because the sourcewriter options are very 
restrictive & clearly designed for US users more than others. I sorely wish 
there was an option to add categories in the first screen of source writer. The 
generic option just doesn't quite cut it in many situations.

Even it had a "personal research notes" or "transcribed notes" option might 
help.



-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 9:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Let's try again)

My previous thread having been hijacked into a thread about subscribing, may I 
please seek advice on the following...


Could someone please advise which SW template would be most suitable for
these cards?  They are hand-written summaries of notices which appeared
in newspapers and cover such things as announcements of births,
marriages, obituaries and deaths abroad; notices of wills, unclaimed
estates and filings under the Colonial Probates Act of 1892 (which
recognized probates from courts in British possessions); and
advertisements for missing persons and people seeking next of kin

Would it be preferable to have one master source for these cards or one
for each category - one for births, one for marriages etc?

Thanks

Tony






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[LegacyUG] Radius Search of Geo location database

[Ian GARDENER]

I've just been read the "unofficial guide to legacy and on page 61 it tells
how to do a radius search of the geolocation db, to find nearby towns &
research prospects.



I wasn't aware of this feature & it's great BUT seem to be missing the
logical conclusion to the process, being the ability to print (or export)
that search result. Is there any way of doing this that I've missed or do I
have to hand copy the nearly 80 results in my 5km radius search? The issue
of course being that the location is part of  capital city that has
undergone huge growth & division in 200 years.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Please trim

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

Given this on ALL of Brian's messages could you please clarify the official 
position?
=
Brian
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We are changing the world of genealogy!
When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
Thanks.
==



-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012 12:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Please trim

Please trim your messages - there have been some long threads going on where 
all the previous messages have been quoted again and again and the tags that 
the email software puts on have remained.

Remove *everything* that doesn't pertain to what you're responding to.
Sometimes you might even want to trim the specific message to include only that 
part of the message that your comment is relative to.

Thanks for your cooperation.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
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RE: [LegacyUG] Proof of relationship

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi kb,



Thanks for the tip on Bayesian probability. I must confess that the math is way 
beyond me these days (maybe alwaysJ) but the underlying broad principle is 
definitely something I can run with for some of my research.



I agree that Legacy seems quite weak in the research log, notes department and 
it something I hope is improved in version 8. In the meantime I just make my 
notes in word then create a pdf file which I attach to legacy sourcing. I don’t 
use native word format because the file structure is everchanging.



I like your idea of “demonstrating” rather than necessarily proving 
relationships as I too am really laying groundwork for future family members I 
hope. For that reason I also make & update hundreds of pdf reports as the raw 
data may also become useless in the end.



Thanks again. You’ve given me a kick toward detailing my reasoning in more 
detail.



Ian GARDENER

Australia

www.gardener.org.au







From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012 4:37 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Proof of relationship



Alan,

I also just document reasoning in research notes.  Legacy is excellent for 
organising classical genealogy material, but it's limited or poor as a research 
tool or record.  It has little support for anything less than fact, and that 
bites not only subsequent descendants, but also the present genealogy 
researcher.  I've sympathy for Ron's position regarding "negative proof", but 
some term is needed.  On balance, I see the trade off, between violating prior 
use in information theory versus important advantage to clarity in your usage, 
as decidedly on your side.

I'm leaving history and genealogy of my line(s) to the future, but also 
everything I can find which may be useful to subsequent or collateral 
researchers.  Necessarily, that includes not just my logic behind judgements 
made, but also conjecture, unconnected fact, and rejected "fact" with 
reasoning.  Generally, I support the position taken in the genealogy with 
detailed reasoning, followed by "Alternative possibilities" with discussion on 
pros and cons in less detail.  Implicit in that is acceptance and warning that 
my adopted position may be wrong, but a "Negative Proof" textual label is a 
much stronger message that the adopted position is not only provisional but 
recognised by the author as in significant doubt.  (Thanks Alan)

If we confine ourselves to "classical fact", we don't just constrain ourselves 
to documents; we risk crippling our reasoning.  Scientific research proceeds 
from hypothesis to proof, yea or nay.  Hypothesis is, by definition, 
provisional and uncertain.  If we don't keep clear awareness of "nay", we too 
easily seek only evidence to justify assumptions.  Legacy seems to have few 
formal places for "provisional fact", and genealogies contributed to the web 
are typically stripped of research and other cautionary notes.

I much recommend looking up "Bayesian" in Wikipedia.  Crudely estimating 
probabilities and using them as in Bayesian Inference can be a help and a 
powerful discipline in research guidance.  A quick check shows an average of 8 
Dave XXXs alive in a parish at any time over 200 years.  Not good odds that any 
record is of the one you want.  It's a caution and focuses work on factors 
which improve probability.  Unlike other logical systems, Bayesian can be 
reversible without circular reasoning.  In retrospect, the odds on truth for an 
initial premise may be drastically higher when calculated in reverse from 
findings, and a traditional "fact" may turn up, permitting the discovery 
process to be discarded.  How, in Legacy, do we keep track and record?

Recently, I was contacted about a post I made in 2004, on a line I later 
dropped.  My Legacy file had a few names and notes of interest to my contact, 
but resort to paper files and old disks from long dead computers produced a 
gold mine of lines of attack and disparate data for him, including emails from 
folks now dead.  When I'm dead too, my Legacy file will still be on several 
computers, but my other records will be gone.  Legacy needs a "research 
companion" with cross referencing from the standard program, but is it 
impossible to somehow formalise "negative proof" discussion within Legacy 
fields and facilities?

kb

  _

From: "Alan Pereira" 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:35:40 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Proof of relationship

Thanks Charani & Ron
I think I will just use the research notes when I need to clarify proof.
Ron, I will adopt your probability approach when I have "negative proofs" as I 
agree entirely with you on that.

Why I am doing this...
I am trying to look at my Family Tree as if

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA

[Ian GARDENER]

I've not accessed google plus but I'm interested. Can I have the details please?

-Original Message-
From: Tessa Keough [mailto:murke...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 1:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA

Legacy Users:
We have a Legacy Virtual Users' Group and meet monthly in a Google+ hangout on 
air - because lots of us either are not near where there are local groups 
and/or some of us travel or can't get away for more than the 60-90 minutes. We 
have a LVUG website that has previous meeting slide presentations (with speaker 
notes) as well as a LVUG page on Google+. Please think about attending a 
meeting and see if meeting virtually to share and learn more about Legacy might 
work for you. Since I don't think we can add links here just do a search in
Google+ and the Page will direct you to the website.

Tessa Keough
Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089
Legacy Virtual Users' Group
One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland Surnames - Keough, Murphy, 
Aylward, Kocevar, Lidman, Zagradisnik Places - Ireland, Newfoundland, Norway, 
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wrote:
>
> I live in Seattle 98115 but I  occasionally travel down I-5 to Elma
> and Graham.  I have used Legacy for about 10 years and need to clean
> up citations and sources and get on with putting together books on
> family lines.
>
> Pauline
>
> On 8/11/2012 6:49 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:
> > Thanks for the response Lana. We seem to be equal distant from
> > Olympia, just opposite sides of the city. Shall we see others
> > respond and what develops?
> >
> > I am not a new user of Legacy, having had a license since the early
> > 2000s. Now that I am finally "retired" again, I hope to have some
> > time to "clean up" my old data files that include sources,
> > citations, places, repositories, etc. from the days of CPM+ and DOS 
> > genealogy software.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Denise
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bain Family [mailto:rlcb...@gotsky.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:05 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA
> >
> > I live in Graham, WA  98338
> >
> > Lana
> > (hoping this comes through as plain text)
> >
> >
> > From: Denise L. Moss-Fritch
> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:06 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA
> >
> >
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Ian GARDENER]

This forum is probably not the place for it so if you want to email me 
ijg3...@gmail.com, I’ll email you  response.



It’s not hard to set up though, in my opinion the trick is NOT to schedule 
backups but to use it’s own internal option to cycle the backups and/or syncs 
every x minutes. Also understand what you want, backup, sync, or both.



Ian GARDENER

Australia



From: Terry L. [mailto:nemesi...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 11:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback



Hi Ian,
I like your idea with Sychback, but not sure hwo to set it up. Right now I have 
my Legacy file backed up to my documents. Any way you could give me some 
details on how you set yours up?
Cheers!
Terry


> From: ijg3...@gmail.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:16:32 +1000
>
> Here's what I settled on, it works for me.
>
> I have continued using dropbox (free) for syncing my machines but my main 
> genealogy folder (the one legacy access at home) is no longer in dropbox, 
> it's in my documents area like it used to be.
>
> I now use syncback (free) to automatically perform 3 tasks:
>
> 1- It syncs my genealogy folder with dropbox every 30 minutes.
> 2- Every 6 hours it makes a backup of my genealogy folder to my external hard 
> drive.
> 3- Every 24 hours it backs up my genealogy folder to my new (free) amazon 
> cloud account.
>
> And soon I will be setting up a fourth function of having syncback send a 
> copy of all my genealogy material to my cousin via email on a monthly basis. 
> She in turn is going to burn it to disk and keep all disks forever basically, 
> in her storage unit.
>
> I'm determined not to lose data again, at least no more than 30 minutes worth 
> and because legacy is no longer directly accessing and activating dropbox, my 
> bandwidth overheads have dropped and I have faster accessible internet 
> browsing. All in all keeping my primary legacy file in dropbox was a bad idea.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Laura Johnson [mailto:rngad...@madisontelco.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 9:11 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback
>
> I would be very wary of putting anything on a Wordpress site. Wordpress is a 
> prime target for hackers as it is easily hacked into. I just had one of my 
> sites hijacked back in February and I am still cleaning up messes from that.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:17:53 +0100
> From: Charani 
> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
>
> I think I'd be more inclined to deposit files in a private area of one of my 
> domains - so long as I could remember the URL, of course! :)) I also have a 
> couple of Wordpress sites.
>
>
>
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RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Ian GARDENER]

Here's what I settled on, it works for me.

I have continued using dropbox (free) for syncing my machines but my main 
genealogy folder (the one legacy access at home) is no longer in dropbox, it's 
in my documents area like it used to be.

I now use syncback (free) to automatically perform 3 tasks:

1- It syncs my genealogy folder with dropbox every 30 minutes.
2- Every 6 hours it makes a backup of my genealogy folder to my external hard 
drive.
3- Every 24 hours it backs up my genealogy folder to my new (free) amazon cloud 
account.

And soon I will be setting up a fourth function of having syncback send a copy 
of all my genealogy material to my cousin via email on a monthly basis. She in 
turn is going to burn it to disk and keep all disks forever basically, in her 
storage unit.

I'm determined not to lose data again, at least no more than 30 minutes worth 
and because legacy is no longer directly accessing and activating dropbox, my 
bandwidth overheads have dropped and I have faster accessible internet 
browsing. All in all keeping my primary legacy file in dropbox was a bad idea.

Ian



-Original Message-
From: Laura Johnson [mailto:rngad...@madisontelco.com]
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 9:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

I would be very wary of putting anything  on a Wordpress site. Wordpress is a 
prime target for hackers as it is easily hacked into.  I just had one of my 
sites hijacked back in February and I am still cleaning up messes from that.


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback
Date:   Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:17:53 +0100
From:   Charani 
Reply-To:   LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com

I think I'd be more inclined to deposit files in a private area of one of my 
domains - so long as I could remember the URL, of course! :)) I also have a 
couple of Wordpress sites.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Ron Ferguson

[Ian GARDENER]

Yes we’re very disappointed over here. Everyone’s upset that  
<http://www.london2012.com/country/kazakhstan/medals/index.html> Kazakhstan is 
showing us up.



Have a good sleep.



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2012 9:30 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ron Ferguson





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:09 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Ron Ferguson



G’day Ron & everyone else,



In another thread (that I didn’t want to hijack) you wrote:



“I tend to agree with you. I came to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that 
Legacy does not compare vital dates, so I no longer use it, preferring GenMatch 
or GenViewer (usually the former)”.



I’ve been pondering purchasing one of these two legacy add-ons & I would be 
very interested to hear your views on the pros & cons of each. I’ve read the 
blurbs for both & watched a video on one but let’s face it, they’re advertising 
& putting the best face on everything. So if you would care to share your 
thoughts?



If you prefer to do so privately I can be emailed at ijg3...@gmail.com.



Regards



Ian GARDENER

Australia – Land of the lost gold medal opportunities J



Ian,



Sorry about all our Golds – I think that Australia currently has less than 
Yorkshire Smile



I will answer your question when I get up – just off of to bed, but couldn’t 
resist a little dig!



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/



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RE: [LegacyUG] Single adopted parent

[Ian GARDENER]

Yes I would love a coffee, happy to help.

Ian

-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012 6:54 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Single adopted parent

Ian GARDENER wrote:
> What about just making the non existent spouse invisible to keep them
> off reports and just naming them "NOT Applicable"?
>
> Just a thought.

Good thinking Batman! :))

That would cover all eventualities.

Wanna cup of coffee?  I've just got up and my eyes aren't properly awake yet.  
They need a kick start ;))

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Ian GARDENER]

Sorry John but you are incorrect. The dropbox server contains the master 
template of your files and anything deleted there WILL in fact delete from your 
pc's. Try it, its a simple test to do, I have and as soon as you open up a pc 
with dropbox, assuming you have net access it will be deleted from your 
machine. I've tested it, the webinar stated that & Dropbox have confirmed it. 
Its even in their terms.

-Original Message-
From: hwedhlor [mailto:hwedh...@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2012 4:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

The inactivity to which I referred was to the overall account, and the files 
deleted would not be deleted from the subscriber's computer, but from the 
provider's server. These services do not have access to our computers.

John

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ


On 8/9/2012 6:45 AM, Charani wrote:
> Paul Gray wrote:
>> The one thing I'm a bit confused about is whether "inactivity" refers
>> to the individual file, or to the account in general. I have activity
>> on my Dropbox account virtually daily, but certain files (e.g.
>> multimedia) have been dormant for more than ninety days and nothing has ever 
>> been deleted.
> As I understand it, it's inactivity on the *account* rather than
> individual files.
>
> If you're using the account on a daily basis or thereabouts, you won't
> have to worry.
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Ian GARDENER]

I don't use dropbox orany cloud function for backup purposes, it's there so I 
can sychnronise the three different machines I use. I back up Legacy to an 
external HD each time I exit the program but I have many other files that are 
not part of legacy, ebooks, references, all sorts of things. They all get 
backed up to HD too but a while back I upgraded my laptop and when I went to 
restore files from the hd, it was dead. Luckily I also do an occasional backup 
to CD.

BUT my question is not in regard to backups, it relates to synching pc's 
automatically whenever they are turned on.

This response is not necessarily to you only, I'm trying to answer a few points 
from different people in one response so as not to crowd the thread.


BTW thanks for your kind thoughts. I have limited mobility and some memory 
issues but in 2008 I was effectively quadriplegic although my arms started to 
work again after a month. Also my family has twice been told to prepare for my 
death on the operating table, I even clinically died twice during one 15 hour 
operation. Yet here I am 2 years after being paralysed, I have a beautiful 
daughter (our 4th child) fathered after the first time I was supposed to die. I 
have full use of my right side, reasonable use of my left arm and I can walk 
500 metres with just a walking stick. I'm quite at peace with where and what I 
am. In fact any reasonable person would be imo, IF they had spent so long in 
hospital & saw so many poor kids going through it. Now that's cruel for both 
the kids and their family & friends. :)

-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012 7:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

Ian GARDENER wrote:

> I currently have all my legacy files, both multimedia & data, in my
> dropbox.
>
> I have also just become aware that if I don't access my dropbox for
> 90 days, the dropbox people may delete my files from their server.
> If I then use my pc, dropbox will automatically delete the files on my
> pc too.
>
> This has all been verified to me by the dropbox help people. SCARY!!

Yikes!!  Scary isn't the word for it!!

I find that absolutely appalling a third party can delete files off your own 
computer.

Having watched the webinar for the cloud, I decided it wasn't for me.
  This confirms it most definitely isn't!

> So I still like the idea of dropbox but what I'm thinking of doing now
> is moving all my legacy files back into a normal docs folder and then
> using syncback to keep an updated copy of those files in my dropbox.
> That way even if they got deleted from the dropbox folder, I still
> have my totally up to date files. Does anyone see any problems with
> this? I couldn't imagine it will muck up legacy in any way.

Have you considered using a blogging site such as Wordpress to upload all your 
data?  The advantage with Wordpress is that you can mark the file Private so no 
one else has access to it unless you want them to.
  Or to somewhere like Spanglefish?

I have my files backed up on the first of each month to three external hard 
drives which also have the program itself installed on them.  Two stay with me 
(in different places in the house) and the other is kept by a trusted friend.

That way, if anything happens, I will have at least one backup.  If anything 
happens to me, my friend has a backup from which one of my children or another 
family member can carry on my research.  Nothing is lost.

> ALSO before anyone brings it up, yes it is highly possible I could be
> away from my pc for extended times. I Have an ongoing battle with
> recurring brain tumours and last time I was in hospital for 7 months
> learning to use my limbs again.

Ouch!  Not funny at all! :((  I sincerely hope something can be done to stop 
the wretched tumours recurring and you can regain your health.

Hugs to you

> As I say, I don't forsee any problems but I fugure it's safer to throw
> it out there to see what other legacy users think.

See above


--
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[LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

I currently have all my legacy files, both multimedia & data, in my dropbox.




I have also just become aware that if I don't access my dropbox for 90 days,
the dropbox people may

delete my files from their server. If I then use my pc, dropbox will
automatically delete the files on my pc too.

This has all been verified to me by the dropbox help people. SCARY !!



So I still like the idea of dropbox but what I'm thinking of doing now is
moving all my legacy files back into a

normal docs folder and then using syncback to keep an updated copy of those
files in my dropbox. That way

even if they got deleted from the dropbox folder, I still have my totally up
to date files. Does anyone see any

problems with this? I couldn't imagine it will muck up legacy in any way.



ALSO before anyone brings it up, yes it is highly possible I could be away
from my pc for extended times. I

Have an ongoing battle with recurring brain tumours and last time I was in
hospital for 7 months learning to

use my limbs again.



As I say, I don't forsee any problems but I fugure it's safer to throw it
out there to see what other legacy users think.



Cheers



Ian GARDENER

Australia




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RE: [LegacyUG] Single adopted parent

[Ian GARDENER]

What about just making the non existent spouse invisible to keep them off 
reports and just naming them "NOT Applicable"?

Just a thought.

-Original Message-
From: Ron Taylor [mailto:doit4...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012 4:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Single adopted parent

Does anyone know of a correct method to store a child that was adopted by a 
single parent?  Obviously, both biological parents should be connected to the 
child by way of their marriage record if possible but the woman who adopted the 
child is not the biological mother and she has never been married.  I don't 
want an "Unknown" spouse for her but still need to connect the adopted child to 
her which is done via a marriage record.  I can enter marriage notes to explain 
the situation but I want some way to avoid ever showing a spouse or at least 
indicate that there was no spouse and never will be a spouse for this marriage 
record.
Ron Taylor



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ian GARDENER]

yawn

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012 8:28 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: den...@zippersoftware.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

"Ian GARDENER"  proclaimed:

>Yes but the links were missing in ever backup restored, even 12 month old 
>backups!
>That is not "pilot error". Did you have something constructive to contribute?

Yes. I know first hand that someone offered to look at your files. This would 
have confirmed your claim (or not). If you still have one of those backups why 
don't you take him up on it and send him the backup?

Even if you don't take him up on the offer, you can easily prove or disprove 
your claim. Run a backup on your recovered database. Then restore from that 
backup to a different database name (Legacy will prompt you for a new 
filename). Were the links restored or not?

Quite simple to test.

--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ian GARDENER]

Yes but the links were missing in ever backup restored, even 12 month old 
backups!
That is not "pilot error". Did you have something constructive to contribute?

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"Ian GARDENER"  proclaimed:

>Beginning to sound like there's a bug with media files in this release. Lost 
>all mine too.

As I recall, you lost yours because of pilot error.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ian GARDENER]

Beginning to sound like there's a bug with media files in this release. Lost 
all mine too.

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2012 5:15 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Strangely, though, the file-path to the files I dragged and dropped into the 
Source Detail multimedia screen, do not show file-paths under 
Customize/Locations/View all multimedia paths and neither does the drag and 
drop method ask if I want the embedded information added to the Desc box.

Perhaps a Legacy support person could jump in here.
---

JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 7/31/2012 11:39 AM, JLB wrote:
> Excuse me on the last reply. It does indeed seem to be possible. I
> tried
> 10 times on a census record and it wouldn't work. Funny, as it works
> on small portraits. With some persistence, it suddenly worked on the
> census record. There you go! Don't browse, just drag and drop.
> ---
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 7/31/2012 11:24 AM, Judith wrote:
>> "I'm talking to you from my memory as I no longer attach anything to Legacy 
>> except little portraits for the people I have portraits for. It's way too 
>> labour-intensive considering I can access any file in a nano-second through 
>> my filing system".
>>
>> I agree, also, if you move a file in your filing system, it drops out of 
>> legacy and creates a problem.  Better to keep them in the filing system for 
>> fast access.
>> Judith
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:49 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>>
>> I think you'd have to experiment with the printing options here. They may 
>> have changed since my day. I know there was/is? a way to print source 
>> document thumbnails in reports but I didn't think it would be useful for a 
>> reader so I didn't bother with it.
>>
>> There was a time when there was no such thing as a 'File' icon. Document 
>> formats were linked through the Picture icon. It created major havoc when 
>> the File icon arrived as all the document files were automatically unlinked 
>> because they weren't an image format.
>>
>> I'm talking to you from my memory as I no longer attach anything to Legacy 
>> except little portraits for the people I have portraits for. It's way too 
>> labour-intensive considering I can access any file in a nano-second through 
>> my filing system.
>> ---
>> JL Beeken
>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>>
>> On 7/31/2012 3:45 AM, Robert Runion wrote:
>>> Thanks for the insight. Some of my scanned documents are cemetery
>>> listings and census data as you state and I add those to the Master
>>> source as a 'file', rather than a 'picture'. I presume that the
>>> entry as a Master Source 'file' would not show as an icon in any
>>> subsequent book I might print? But, if I inadvertently added it as a
>>> 'picture', in lieu of a 'file' (I had this happen some years ago),
>>> the item icon showed along with the 'real' pictures in the resultant
>>> book print.  A bummer. So far, adding scanned documentation (as
>>> opposed to scanned or digital photos which I add as a 'picture' ) as
>>> a 'file' appears to be preferable since the copy/paste function for
>>> subsequent entries carries the detail sourcing data along to each entry.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:23 PM, JLB wrote:
>>>
 Either or both.

 Depending what it is it would go under the Picture tab of the
 Master Source or the multimedia tab of Source Detail.

 For instance, a census record probably belongs to one family so I
 would link that to the Multimedia tab for Source Detail.

 If it was a Master Source, (the way I define that would be
 something like a cemetery listing of multiple families) I would
 link it to the Pictures tab of that Master Source.

 I guess it depends how to do your sources. If create a different
 Master Source for every single census record, then it would be
 Master Source.

 If you look at the Assigned Sources window for someone/anyone and
 click on the Pictures tab, you'll see there's two areas there; one
 called Master Source Picture and one called Source Detail Picture.
 If it's a picture it's a picture. If it's a document, as you've
 described it, it shows up as document-looking icon. --- JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 7/30/2012 7:14 PM, RUNION ROBERT wrote:
> What is the recommended procedure to add source documentation.
> Should a scanned document (.pdf, .doc, .xls, etc) be added as a
> Multimedia 'file' under the event detail, or should the scanned
> document be added under the master so

RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

Well the good news is I run Nero auto backup and was able to restore a nero 
disc image so I only lost a few hours work. I installed the auto back up months 
ago and didn't give it another thought until now.

The downside is I can no longer access the tables as they were to check for 
problems but I'm very pleased to have my links back. :)

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2012 8:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

Ian,

I am back on my PC now, so am able to check out the problem.

After my initial comment I thought that there must be a bug, as the picture 
file name and the path are contained in two separate files: tblBR contains the 
name of the picture and tblBP the path. From your description is seems that 
both tables have have the picture records removed - can you confirm this? As 
you say, I do not now think this is a bug as the bar clearly states that 
clicking will remove the record.

However, it does bring a thought to mind. I doubt if there will be many, if 
any, times when someone wishes to remove all the record, but I can envisage 
circumstances whereby one just wishes to remove the paths. Perhaps the button 
could enforce a choice, at least it would minimise accidental deletion of the 
lot!

I cannot think of a way round your problem, other than on my PC (HP WIN7
64bit) it routinely creates a backup of all the HD without prompting, I don't 
suppose that you have overlooked this possibility - if it exists on your PC.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Ian GARDENER
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:33 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

There have only been a few good windows versions IMO, Win 3.1.1, Win 95, Win
98 & XP. All else has been very poor with Windows ME being referred to as 
windows virus edition. Bring back xp and all the necessary drivers for newer 
pc's.  :)


-Original Message-
From: Shack [mailto:sh...@ws4v.net]
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2012 9:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

Sound like "thanks again Windows 7" which gives the operator absolutely no 
credit for having any common sense. I have Win 7-64 bit on my laptop and hate 
it. Every time I try to store a file, photo or anything else it wants to show 
me where to put it. With all the libraries, etc., that they have put in you 
never know where anything is on the hard drive. This is a giant step backwards 
from "My Computer" on previous versions. Microsoft very seldom listens to its 
users so I don't expect an improvement, this coming from a Windows user since 
Windows first started. Remember that was the version that didn't work at all.
Ken

- Original Message -
From: "Charani" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup


Ian GARDENER wrote:
> Ward you are exactly correct. You hit the nail right on the head as
> the multimedia files have never been deleted, moved or altered. The
> issue has nothing to do with the multimedia files.
>
> I stupidly clicked something while my kids were in my face.

Know that feeling!!  You have my compasionate understanding!

My dau's been home from college since May and I've done virtually no research 
since then because of regular interruptions.  My son's now graduated and is 
about to move into assisted living accommodation.
Two teens + 14 animals under one roof = ggg! and a bad attack 
of the screaming habdabs!  Roll on September and what passes for normality in 
my house  

> Although impossible, it's as though that delete links button is jammed
> on.

Just a thought in a temporary lull in the chaos: is the "unlink/ delete" still 
checked to do that?  Is there anywhere in the settings where there is that 
option?

I have found that for some reason best known to its innards, my laptop 
sometimes decides /it/ knows best about what I need and ignores what I tell it 
it's supposed to do.  It's as though the setting/button is, as you say, jammed 
on.  Clipping two keys can have unexpected results too
- as an IT guy, I guess you know that anyway.




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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

There have only been a few good windows versions IMO, Win 3.1.1, Win 95, Win 98 
& XP. All else has been very poor with Windows ME being referred to as windows 
virus edition. Bring back xp and all the necessary drivers for newer pc's.  :)


-Original Message-
From: Shack [mailto:sh...@ws4v.net]
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2012 9:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

Sound like "thanks again Windows 7" which gives the operator absolutely no 
credit for having any common sense. I have Win 7-64 bit on my laptop and hate 
it. Every time I try to store a file, photo or anything else it wants to show 
me where to put it. With all the libraries, etc., that they have put in you 
never know where anything is on the hard drive. This is a giant step backwards 
from "My Computer" on previous versions. Microsoft very seldom listens to its 
users so I don't expect an improvement, this coming from a Windows user since 
Windows first started. Remember that was the version that didn't work at all.
Ken

- Original Message -
From: "Charani" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup


Ian GARDENER wrote:
> Ward you are exactly correct. You hit the nail right on the head as
> the multimedia files have never been deleted, moved or altered. The
> issue has nothing to do with the multimedia files.
>
> I stupidly clicked something while my kids were in my face.

Know that feeling!!  You have my compasionate understanding!

My dau's been home from college since May and I've done virtually no
research since then because of regular interruptions.  My son's now
graduated and is about to move into assisted living accommodation.
Two teens + 14 animals under one roof = ggg! and a bad
attack of the screaming habdabs!  Roll on September and what passes
for normality in my house  

> Although impossible, it's as though that delete links
> button is jammed on.

Just a thought in a temporary lull in the chaos: is the "unlink/
delete" still checked to do that?  Is there anywhere in the settings
where there is that option?

I have found that for some reason best known to its innards, my laptop
sometimes decides /it/ knows best about what I need and ignores what I
tell it it's supposed to do.  It's as though the setting/button is, as
you say, jammed on.  Clipping two keys can have unexpected results too
- as an IT guy, I guess you know that anyway.






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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

I have unzipped the multimedia files & restored them, even though they had 
never been deleted. But I figured that they may be looking for some sort of 
file marker. Either way it made no difference. No I'm not getting question 
marks, it's as if they had never been linked - I've even gone back a year to a 
2011 backup, restored it and its multimedia zip and it still doesn't work.

I'm familiar with backing up and restoring, I've done it before on legacy, I 
also have an IT background.

Next step is to totally uninstall Legacy and reinstalling I guess :( The other 
thing I might have to try is getting a previous version of Legacy and restoring 
a backup made at a date corresponding to that Legacy version as I'm beginning 
to seriously suspect this is a new bug. You see I created a brand new legacy 
file, created 1 person with one picture and backed it up. Started Legacy again 
added another pic, checked both pics were linked and working fine - all good.

Then clicked the unlink button as I did before and restored each of those 
backups. Guess what, same deal, no links to pictures in the backups. The 
pictures are there & I can manually find them when prompted to do so but Legacy 
can't find them using the auto feature.

Oh well these things are just small hurdles and I'm sure I'll find a bright 
side to it soon :)

Cheers

Ian G

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Saturday, 28 July 2012 1:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

When you back up, all links are included since they're in the Family File 
itself.  Are you seeing "question mark" icons in place of the thumbnails in 
Picture Gallery?  Double click on one of them and let Legacy relink the 
pictures. It will relink most, if not all, pictures.

The multimedia backup is separate from the data backup. You will need to create 
that and unzip it to the hard drive, if you didn't.

For details on backing up and restoring, check out our website 
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Help Center > Tips > Backing Up and Restoring Family 
Files. You can also access this through Legacy by clicking on the "Tips from 
the Experts" link in the Support section of the Legacy Home tab.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Ian GARDENER  wrote:
> I made that mistake in the last 24 hours. I've tried restoring (successfully) 
> backups from a month ago and not one link to the multimedia files is there. 
> It's as though some switch has been turned off in the program. I have 
> hundreds of pictures so restoring each link one by one only to risk it 
> happening again, is not much of an option. This seems like a serious bug.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
> Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 9:37 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup
>
> On 7/26/2012 8:53 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
>
>> I accidently ticked unlink all multimedia files from
>> options/locations/test paths.
>
> In that case, your database records no longer have any references to your 
> multimedia files. As result, subsequent backups will not have ZIPped any 
> multimedia files. That's not a problem! The first result is a problem.
>
> A safe way out of the situation is to re-link every multimedia file to
> each person and source or citation in the database :-)
>
> Alternatively, if you're prepared to lose a little bit of work, you can 
> return to the last backup you have of the database, that still has these 
> links, restore it and then re-do the work you've done in the interim.
>
> My choice? Accept the inevitable and do the latter.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

I never said the deleting was a bug and have no idea where you got that from. I 
am talking about restoring of backups not restoring the links contained within 
those backups.

If you had read previous messages carefully you would realise that telling 
legacy to look for the file is NOT an option as all reference to the picture is 
gone. As far as the program is concerned there is nothing missing, as if there 
had never been any associated images. The links have disappeared NOT the 
pictures.



-Original Message-
From: Gene Young [mailto:n2...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, 28 July 2012 3:15 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

On 7/27/2012 11:22 AM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> I made that mistake in the last 24 hours. I've tried restoring (successfully) 
> backups from a month ago and not one link to the multimedia files is there. 
> It's as though some switch has been turned off in the program. I have 
> hundreds of pictures so restoring each link one by one only to risk it 
> happening again, is not much of an option. This seems like a serious bug.
>
This is not a bug.  It was an error on your part.  Ron Ferguson told you how to 
have Legacy recover the paths.  I suggest you try that solution before you do 
anything else.  It works.


--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm



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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

Ward you are exactly correct. You hit the nail right on the head as the 
multimedia files have never been deleted, moved or altered. The issue has 
nothing to do with the multimedia files.

I stupidly clicked something while my kids were in my face. That is all my 
fault.

The issue (as you have understood), is that the links are not in, or accessible 
from, the backups either. Not even backups from 2011.

It is "as though" the reference to mm files is stored within Legacy itself and 
not contained within backups. However that is clearly not the case as I have 
used restore before when I've bought a new pc with a new operating system (in 
my case I went from Desktop XP to laptop win7) & it worked fine. So either the 
current version has a bug in this area or ..well I don't know what the or could 
be yet.

My daughter is coming home from boarding school this weekend and bringing her 
netbook. We are going to install legacy directly from the website via download 
then try to restore one of my old backups on her copy of legacy where that 
"remove links" button has never been pressed. Although impossible, it's as 
though that delete links button is jammed on.

-Original Message-
From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Saturday, 28 July 2012 10:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

This thread is confusing me. The postings have established that recovering the 
paths in the current/latest family file is not an option. However, the OP said 
that the MM files have not moved and that the issue is that restoring a backup 
of his family file (from before he removed the links) still does not seem to 
show the links. How is this possible?

  Ward

- Original Message -
From: "Gene Young" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup


On 7/27/2012 11:22 AM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> I made that mistake in the last 24 hours. I've tried restoring
> (successfully) backups from a month ago and not one link to the multimedia
> files is there. It's as though some switch has been turned off in the
> program. I have hundreds of pictures so restoring each link one by one
> only to risk it happening again, is not much of an option. This seems like
> a serious bug.
>
This is not a bug.  It was an error on your part.  Ron Ferguson told you
how to have Legacy recover the paths.  I suggest you try that solution
before you do anything else.  It works.
--
Gene Young




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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

I made that mistake in the last 24 hours. I've tried restoring (successfully) 
backups from a month ago and not one link to the multimedia files is there. 
It's as though some switch has been turned off in the program. I have hundreds 
of pictures so restoring each link one by one only to risk it happening again, 
is not much of an option. This seems like a serious bug.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 9:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

On 7/26/2012 8:53 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:

> I accidently ticked unlink all multimedia files from
> options/locations/test paths.

In that case, your database records no longer have any references to your 
multimedia files. As result, subsequent backups will not have ZIPped any 
multimedia files. That's not a problem! The first result is a problem.

A safe way out of the situation is to re-link every multimedia file to each 
person and source or citation in the database :-)

Alternatively, if you're prepared to lose a little bit of work, you can return 
to the last backup you have of the database, that still has these links, 
restore it and then re-do the work you've done in the interim.

My choice? Accept the inevitable and do the latter.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Ian GARDENER]

I've restored the multimedia files (actually they were never deleted but did it 
in case) and the paths in locations are all correct.

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012 2:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

I think you have to unzip that multimedia backup first. Then try pointing 
Legacy to it.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 7/26/2012 8:53 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> I accidently ticked unlink all multimedia files from
> options/locations/test paths.
>
> Now I backup EVERY time I exit Legacy but restoring the backups is not
> restoring the links to the multimedia files, I’ve gone back days and
> no matter which backup I restore, I get the same result.
>
> The actual multimedia files are all sitting exactly where they should
> be L
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RE: [LegacyUG] Copying a master source to make a new master source

[Ian GARDENER]

Thanks. Works for me :)

-Original Message-
From: Gene Young [mailto:n2...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:45 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying a master source to make a new master source

On 7/25/2012 9:11 AM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am currently making extensive use of Australian electoral rolls, all
> in the same state, locality, jurisdiction,etc,etc.
>
> Because this particular generation didn’t move very far from where
> they were born (often occupying several houses in a street to keep
> close), I like to use each electoral roll (year) as a separate source.
> So what I have in the master source list is something like this:
>
> Australian Elecoral Roll – 1919
>
> Australian Elecoral Roll – 1924
>
> Australian Elecoral Roll – 1929
>
> Etc
>
> They are all sourced from the online database of Aus Rolls 1903-1980.
> Is there any way I can simply copy one source and edit it to create
> the next? Example I would like to copy and paste the 1929 source and
> edit the new copy to reflect 1936. There seems to be all sorts of
> merge option but none to copy – that I can see.
>

Just open the source to edit and edit it.  If the source is attached to anyone 
then when you go to save it it will give you the option to save it as a new 
source.  I create all my US Census sources in this manner.


--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Number of Names / Entries in a Database

[Ian GARDENER]

Note that it's the "Legacy Home tab" that you want, not the home button/icon.



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Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2012 6:27 AM
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Number of Names / Entries in a Database



Where do I find the total number of names / entries containerd in a Legacy 
database?



Richard











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RE: [LegacyUG] Multimedia in sources.

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi Ron,

Thanks for that and it does indeed work. You know I had never even noticed the 
file option.

Ian Gardener
www.gardener.org.au

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012 11:34 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Multimedia in sources.

Ian,

Have you tried putting a PDF image in the file area? I haven’t, so I don’t 
know if it will work, I expect that it will when opened in your PDF Viewer in 
the same way as you view text. If you are asking does Legacy have its own PDF 
Reader then, as I am sure you know, the answer is , no it does not.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ian GARDENER
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 1:45 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Multimedia in sources.


Hi,



It seems not, but other than converting to a picture file is there any way to 
get a pdf image to show up in the sources multimedia area? PDF is after all a 
searchable image of sorts.



Yes I know I can insert the actual text in the text tab but that’s not a true 
representation as formatting can effect the context of the info.



Ian GARDENER





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RE: [LegacyUG] creating passport pictures for Legacy

[Ian GARDENER]

He wants to resize to an exact mm measurement. The problem with most programs 
is either that they deal in pixels & percentages, or if you're lucky, standard 
email sizes etc. I'm with Bernie, I've yet to strike one that can do passport 
sized cutouts from another photo easily. The closest I've come is actually by 
using facebook and making a profile pic because fb then resizes to fit-most of 
the time.

I have a few photos in legacy using this method.

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012 5:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] creating passport pictures for Legacy

Bernhard, you can re-size a picture with ANYTHING. You don't need a product 
like Adobe Elements that costs $100. Try XnView. It's free. Or Paint.NET. It's 
free. Or even FSViewer. Also free. Really. ANYTHING.

What is a 'passport picture' exactly? Something other than a specific size? 
Size is set using 'selection size'. Start with a 'proportion', then re-size it 
pixel-wise to what you want precisely.

If you try to enlarge a photo from 7mm to 45mm you're going to end up with a 
blur, not a face.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 7/17/2012 11:14 PM, Bernhard Scholz wrote:
> You're partialy right.
>
> 1.yes I want to enlarge a picture from the height of 7mm to 45mm
>   and am ware that there will be a great loss of quality.
>
> 2.the tool I'm looking for should be cheaper than an Adobe PhotoShop,
> perhaps freeware, and simlify the use
>   creating passport pictures.
>
> I had hoped to find someone knowing such software.
> I'll search the internet to see if I can find what I'm looking for.
>
>
> Bernhard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:05 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] creating passport pictures for Legacy
>
> I guess I don't understand your question. It sounds like you're trying
> to make small pictures larger and that never works because of lack of 
> sufficient pixels.
>
> If you're trying to stretch 7mm to 70mm well, frankly, it's going to
> look like crap.
>
> When I'm cropping pictures for Legacy myself I have a standard
> proportion of 1/1.618, for no reason except that it's the Golden Mean
> prevalent throughout nature. And if I don't proportion them
> consistently, charts in Legacy look
>
> 'funny'.
>
> Then I can re-size them smaller, for instance if I want consistent
> dimensions of
> 100 pixels by 162 pixels.
>
> So, it's a combination of setting a 'selection size' for cropping and
> then
>
> re-sizing.
>
> I don't know of any specific tool for the job because those are basic
> features in any graphics program.
> ---
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 7/17/2012 12:02 PM, Bernhard Scholz wrote:
>> JL,
>>
>> I know I can cut out parts of pictures with any graphic program but
>> eg. I have a picture with the size of 70mm x 115mm with 10
>> individuals and the height of the faces are between 5mm and 7mm thus under 
>> 10% of the pic.
> size.
>>
>> What I'm looking for is a tool making it easy for me to get passport
>> pictures without needing a calculator every time to cut out a face
>> that will
> fit in eg.
>> 35mm x 45mm or the unknown Legacy size.
>>
>> Bernhard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:22 PM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] creating passport pictures for Legacy
>>
>> I think just about any graphics program can. Just set the 'selection size'.
>> ---
>> JL Beeken
>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>>
>> On 7/17/2012 10:28 AM, Bernhard Scholz wrote:
>>> What I miss is that in the help there is no comment about the size
>>> of the passport pictures size used in Legacy.
>>>
>>> In the past I cut out the person free hand.
>>>
>>> In the meantime I know that the standard size in Europe is 35mm x 45mm.
>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a tool making it possible to cut out a face with
>>> the right size.
>>>
>>> Bernhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

[Ian GARDENER]

Well for example you cannot access the electoral roll as it was at Jan 1 2012 
or today by any other method in Australia, other than going into an electoral 
office and using their terminal. They used to have online access but it was 
being misused by everyone from the police to angry ex partners. I asked :)


-Original Message-
From: Gavin Nicholson [mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 10:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

Hi Ian,

I am not sure what you mean by “(current or modern)” but the historical 
electoral rolls are available at various libraries on microfiche and 
ancestry.com has scanned most and indexed about half.

I use Basic for the ones I found at the library. Remember that source writer is 
just a mechanism to generate a citation. With basic I don’t put anything in 
volume, in page I put something like “1921 Gwydir Division Inverell Polling 
Place Fiche 48 Page 38” and the name of the person in ID of person. Thus my 
citation ends up as: “NSW, Australia, NSW Electoral Rolls (Commonwealth 
Division), 1921 Gwydir Division Inverell Polling Place Fiche 48 Page 38, Ernest 
William Nicholson; State Library of NSW, Sydney.”

This works for me. For the ancestry.com images I selected "online image" and 
again made it work for me.

Hope this helps,
Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] Moderated or administered (was: Same sex "marriage".)

[Ian GARDENER]

I love the way you think :)

-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:34 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moderated or administered (was: Same sex "marriage".)

Ian GARDENER wrote:

> THIS IS A LEGACY SUPPORT FORUM - RELIGIOUS VIEWS HAVE NO PLACE HERE
> SURELY? I cannot understand why this is not being stepped on by the
> moderators.

It's possible there are no moderators.

I administer a number of genealogy/family history mailing lists, as some here 
know.  Occasionally, and usually when a topic has taken on a life of its own, a 
list member will demand (not request as you've
done) that the list moderator end the subject.  I don't.  This is partly 
because I am not a moderator and partly because I admin the list.

If a list is moderated, then no messages would appear until they had been 
approved.

Most topics will die a death on their own - aggravating their continuance can 
be whilst they are in their death throes.

How about we go to the peace and quiet of the library and you can show me how 
to use some of the Tools like Set Relationships and some of the others which I 
don't currently use and also how to master SourceWriter which I also don't use. 
 When the ruckus in the lounge bar has died down we can back ;))

--
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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RE: [LegacyUG] RE: [Legacy] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

[Ian GARDENER]

Yes I guess that the heavy American slant is the issue and I'll have to find a 
way around it. Can we build up our own templates do you know?

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] RE: [Legacy] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

Ian,

Please remember that just because a box is there in your template it does not 
have to be filled in. Because of the way I choose to enter my sources, my 
Master Sources may often only have one or two boxes filled in.

Also, remember that the SW system relates primarily to USA practice, and hence 
adjustments do have to be made for other country's practices.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


"Ian GARDENER"  wrote:

>There is no jurisdiction really, not within the intended meaning. Its 
>controlled nationally so I suppose I could only enter Australian Federal 
>Government, there is no repository either really, it just sits in an anonymous 
>government server somewhere in the world. There is no volume or page. 
>Obviously I can just write a manual citation but  I'm trying to get used to 
>using source writer for everything. It strikes me though that the options only 
>lend themselves to somewhat distant past options with no allowance for more 
>modern options.
>
>Really I was just wondering if anyone else had come up with a way of using 
>source writer in this type of scenario. As I say, it's no showstopper, I can 
>always do it manually and take on board a few of your suggestions.
>
>Thanks for the ideas.


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[LegacyUG] RE: [Legacy] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

[Ian GARDENER]

There is no jurisdiction really, not within the intended meaning. Its 
controlled nationally so I suppose I could only enter Australian Federal 
Government, there is no repository either really, it just sits in an anonymous 
government server somewhere in the world. There is no volume or page. Obviously 
I can just write a manual citation but  I'm trying to get used to using source 
writer for everything. It strikes me though that the options only lend 
themselves to somewhat distant past options with no allowance for more modern 
options.

Really I was just wondering if anyone else had come up with a way of using 
source writer in this type of scenario. As I say, it's no showstopper, I can 
always do it manually and take on board a few of your suggestions.

Thanks for the ideas.

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 6:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

On 10/07/2012 03:44, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> In Australia the ONLY way that we can view or search an electoral roll
> (current or modern) is by going to a government electoral office and
> searching the roll on one of their public access terminals.
>
> In source writer I’m given the option of
>
> ·Basic format
>
> ·Microfilm
>
> ·Microfilm recorded by family history library
>
> ·Online database
>
> ·Online image
>
> It seems to me that it doesn’t really fit into any of these categories.
> Basic suggests an original hardcopy? Its certainly not microfilm and
> online suggests the internet but it is not available online, only
> within the government office.
>

I don't see a problem with using "Basic format."

If you are using the Voter Rolls template you enter the Jurisdiction City etc, 
the Title and the Repository in the Master Source and then the Volume, Page and 
the Name of the Person in the Details.

You can enter the name and address of the Government Office where you searched 
as the Repository and could always enter in the Master Source Comment field, if 
you wished, that Roll are only available via public access terminals at the 
appropriate offices.

--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

I will not enter the religious or moral debate further. It was never my 
intention that it would degrade such.

In terms of a work around, the marriage wording works for me - for now. BUT 
clearly as things change, and its changing very fast, Legacy will change or be 
abandoned by those who wish to record an accurate history, those that want all 
the facts for future generations, and those who adhere to evidentiary 
principles. Most of us understand the basics of why the LDS is so devoted to 
genealogy and one can only hope that long term it may be seen as 
counterproductive to force people away from Legacy & LDS resources.



-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 2:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

I was just thinking along the same lines. How do you record the
child(ren) of a heterosexual couple who used a sperm donor? No different than 
how you would record the child(ren) of gay couples. One of the parents is not 
biological.

Certainly I have adopted children in my database. Probably within my lifetime 
they will marry and there's no bloodlines there at all. Should I stop recording 
at that point? Should I kick them out right now because they're mucking up the 
'purity' of my bloodlines?
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 7/9/2012 9:48 PM, familytree wrote:
> Using THAT criteria, I assume that you exclude any adopted children
> since they have neither parent's bloodline...and using THAT criteria
> then Legacy IS a genealogy program. Many others use it as a family
> history program. It just depends how much flesh you want to put on the
> bones. I STILL say that this discussion has run its course and is
> rapidly descending to a personal bias levelLet's move on
> /---Original Message---/
> /*From:*/ Darlene & Don Hicks  /*Date:*/
> 07/10/12 00:26:16 /*To:*/ LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> 
> /*Subject:*/ Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".
> It is about blood lines as when two people marry the child of this
> marriage has the blood of both and therefore a blood line. The person
> of the couple that is your aunt or uncle is a direct bloodline being
> siblings to your parent.
> Darlene
> A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL!
>
> “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they
> shall have gotten a hold of us.”
>
>
> - Thomas Jefferson 1782
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
> are willing to work and give to those who would not.
>
>
> – Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream."
> ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963
>
>
>
>
> "Energy and persistence conquer all things."
>
>
> ~ Benjamin Franklin,
> 1706-1790
>
>
> "If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and
> give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the
> great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the
> right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the
> power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave."
>
>
> - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772
> *From:* JLB 
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 11:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".
>
> Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin.
>
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene & Don Hicks wrote:
>  > My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my
> > family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried
> is my  > term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex.
>  > I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their
> family  > tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some
> put these  > gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went
> along with this  > union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very
> small percentage of this  > country, and no matter how loud they
> scream for this option, it would  > not be accepted by the other 93%
> of us Christians. If this ever happens,  > I will be one who chooses not to 
> use Legacy any longer.
>  > Darlene
>  > A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL!
>  >
>  > “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before
> they shall  > have gotten a hold of us.† >  >  > - Thomas
> Jefferson 1782  >  >  >  >  >  >  > The democracy will cease to exist
> when you take away from those who are  > willing to work and give to
> those who would not.
>  >
>  >
>  > – Thomas Jefferson
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream."
>  > ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963
>  >
>  >
> 

RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

EXCACTLY I'm with you and Legacy is a "Family Tree" program active marketed as 
being "the tool" for genealogy and family history, not a thoroughbred bloodline 
database. Can't see how you accurately do family history if the program will 
not accept the facts. I decry the gay lifestyle but it IS A FACT. I didn't like 
Hiroshima or Negasaki either but I don't refuse to acknowledge it because I 
don't like it.

If Legacy is to be a religious research tool then so be it but I've never seen 
it marketed as such.

Seems we have genealogists & family historians in one corner and religious 
tracers of bloodlines in the other.

What will be will be.


BTW Thanks for the tip Rita in South Carolina, yours was one of the few replies 
that actually dealt with the question and I've adopted your suggestion.

I suppose I could always relabel it to "unacceptable fact" (tongue in 
ckeek)..:

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 1:28 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Marriage is not about blood lines. Unless you marry a cousin.

JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 7/9/2012 7:49 PM, Darlene & Don Hicks wrote:
> My genealogy is about blood lines. I haven't found any gays in my
> family, but if I did, I would not list them as partners. Unmarried is
> my term for those who did not marry a spouse of the oppocite sex.
> I can surely see why Legacy doesn't want to add gays to their family
> tree. There are many who feel the way I do. Now, I know some put these
> gays together as a couple and even the adopted that went along with
> this union, but it isn't the truth. Gays are a very small percentage
> of this country, and no matter how loud they scream for this option,
> it would not be accepted by the other 93% of us Christians. If this
> ever happens, I will be one who chooses not to use Legacy any longer.
> Darlene
> A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL!
>
> “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they
> shall have gotten a hold of us.”
>
>
> - Thomas Jefferson 1782
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
> are willing to work and give to those who would not.
>
>
> – Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream."
> ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963
>
>
>
>
> "Energy and persistence conquer all things."
>
>
> ~ Benjamin Franklin,
> 1706-1790
>
>
> "If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and
> give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the
> great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the
> right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the
> power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave."
>
>
> - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772
> *From:* Lloyd Hite 
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 9, 2012 7:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".
>
> On 7/9/2012 5:51 PM, Michele Lewis wrote:
>  > I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any
> gay relationships in my Legacy file. I would be one of those religious
> freaks :) My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay. In my file
> he is listed as "never married." I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex
> marriages because of their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I
> do agree with them on this one).
>
> Amen Michele, I agree with you 100%.
>
> Lloyd
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

Allowing an option to change a field label requires very little programming. 
Report options as I've just discovered can be handled on an ad hoc basis for 
each individual case by using the rewording override. My mate just did it in 
access (albeit without any nice user front end), in less than 15 minutes. The 
database rebuild didn't change it either. Food for thought.

-

For the record, I am not a supporter of gay unions or homosexuality being 
treated as a norm (that's my belief regardless of public opinion and yes I even 
have a gay friend although hetro myself), I am however strongly in favour of 
abiding by genealogical standards and rules of evidence where possible.

The discussion is about the program being able to do the job it is "sold" for. 
Religion or personal belief has no part in the discussion. I'm going to submit 
the suggestion as others before me must have done and bow out of this thread 
which I started as a "how to" question, not a religious or political one.

Everyone have a nice day and enjoy doing what makes you happy. Let your 
neighbour take care of themselves :)





-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

During one of the discussions on this topic several years ago the programmers 
said that they just never considered same sex relationships.
Their LDS beliefs had no bearing at the time. As they wrote Legacy many 
decisions on optimizing searches and other features in the code are based on 
heterosexual couples. Going back and redoing all that code to work with same 
sex unions would be a major undertaking that they were not prepared to do at 
the time.

Since they keep their plans for new features secret until they are ready for 
testing I do not know if they have any plans to revise Legacy to accept same 
sex unions.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

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On 09/07/2012 22:19, Michele Lewis wrote:
> It is Legacy's prerogative to not include this if it goes against their 
> religious beliefs.  If you need something to be able to record these types of 
> relationships there are other options out there.
>
> Michele
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RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

Yes but we have paid for & supported Legacy for a long time, they are also 
offering a commercial product, not a religious one.
Saying go elsewhere is just a little trite.





-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

It is Legacy's prerogative to not include this if it goes against their 
religious beliefs.  If you need something to be able to record these types of 
relationships there are other options out there.

Michele





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RE: [LegacyUG] Age on the family view?

[Ian GARDENER]

Thats wghy I love this forum. Something handy learned nearly every day.

Thanks, I wish I had done this before.

-Original Message-
From: Kirsten Bowman [mailto:vik...@rvi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:41 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Age on the family view?

Ian:

Tools > Set Relationships.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Ian GARDENER
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Age on the family view?

Interesting. In looking for the display age option (which I'm sure now must 
have been a different program as it displayed always), I tried the relationship 
field and it simply remained blank so it's not automatically filled by default. 
For there to be a relationship there has to be a core person to calculate this 
back to. I imagine this will be in options somewhere and requires setting but 
to say it will be auto automatically filled may just confuse things a little. 
Actually just how is it accessed?





-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 8:12 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Age on the family view?

On 09/07/2012 22:02, RHS Consulting wrote:
> Somehow my concern is being bypassed.  I fully understand what you are
> all talking about, and I have tried it and it works.  Here is what I
> would like to know.  There are a great many entries (called Field
> Names) in the Customize Display list.  All of these Field Names
> require input.
> Where does this input come from, where is it located, and how does it
> get into Family View?

There are places all over Legacy where you can input information.  Apart from 
the straightforward Names, Birth, Baptism etc which appear by default on the 
Individual's Information screen there are inputs for various fields in the 
Events/Facts section, there are several Notes fields - on the Marriage Screen, 
behind an icon on the Family or Individual Info views, behind the + signs next 
to the BMD fields, there are several address fields - Event, Mailing and 
Repository which are accessed from the + signs, or from icons or from the 
Source screens.  In addition, there are various fields which are calculated by 
Legacy and which do not have to be input by you, such as Relationship or 
Soundex Code.

If you add, for argument's sake, the Relationship field to the Family view, 
Legacy will fill this for you automatically.  If you add, say, the Cause of 
Death field, you will need to click on a person's Notes icon, select the 
Medical Tab and enter the Cause of Death in that field.
--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

Actually if not specifically asked by this person, I wouldn't be either & I'm 
totally non religious:)

In this case there are no children I have now found out so really to me, I 
could leave this "partner" out except for being asked. Having said that though, 
wether you I approve or not, the fact is that the world is changing around us 
and not always for the better. If we are to record the facts and if government 
allow civil unions, then we need to be able to record it.

In the short term I have adopted the marriage event rewording option and 
instead of husband and wife I've called them female and female, then marked no 
children and never married. However as this becomes more commonplace which it 
inevitably will, a better solution needs to be found. I can see where there may 
be a temptation to totally ignore such relationships at both user & programmer 
level as there's a strong argument against normalising some behaviours. But as 
researchers we need to be careful not to overly bias our work.

Alas in my research it seems that I constantly move from one brick wall to the 
next. I'm also one of these dreamers who hopes one of my descendants somewhere 
will pick up my research one day and I simply cannot bring myself to 
deliberately leave a brick wall for them.


Ah for the good old days.



-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 7:51 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

I know my point of view will not be popular but I don't record any gay 
relationships in my Legacy file.  I would be one of those religious freaks :)  
My husband does have a cousin that is openly gay.  In my file he is listed as 
"never married."  I think Legacy doesn't allow same sex marriages because of 
their ties to the LDS church (I am not LDS but I do agree with them on this 
one).

Michele





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RE: [LegacyUG] Age on the family view?

[Ian GARDENER]

Interesting. In looking for the display age option (which I'm sure now must 
have been a different program as it displayed always), I tried the relationship 
field and it simply remained blank so it's not automatically filled by default. 
For there to be a relationship there has to be a core person to calculate this 
back to. I imagine this will be in options somewhere and requires setting but 
to say it will be auto automatically filled may just confuse things a little. 
Actually just how is it accessed?





-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 8:12 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Age on the family view?

On 09/07/2012 22:02, RHS Consulting wrote:
> Somehow my concern is being bypassed.  I fully understand what you are
> all talking about, and I have tried it and it works.  Here is what I
> would like to know.  There are a great many entries (called Field
> Names) in the Customize Display list.  All of these Field Names require input.
> Where does this input come from, where is it located, and how does it
> get into Family View?

There are places all over Legacy where you can input information.  Apart from 
the straightforward Names, Birth, Baptism etc which appear by default on the 
Individual's Information screen there are inputs for various fields in the 
Events/Facts section, there are several Notes fields - on the Marriage Screen, 
behind an icon on the Family or Individual Info views, behind the + signs next 
to the BMD fields, there are several address fields - Event, Mailing and 
Repository which are accessed from the + signs, or from icons or from the 
Source screens.  In addition, there are various fields which are calculated by 
Legacy and which do not have to be input by you, such as Relationship or 
Soundex Code.

If you add, for argument's sake, the Relationship field to the Family view, 
Legacy will fill this for you automatically.  If you add, say, the Cause of 
Death field, you will need to click on a person's Notes icon, select the 
Medical Tab and enter the Cause of Death in that field.
--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard relationships.

[Ian GARDENER]

I think it needs to default to normal lines as is, ie male husband & female 
wife, that is what will be recorded in "nearly" every instance.

The default is fine as is but an option to change gender would be nice.

-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard 
relationships.

ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote:

> Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward
> thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have
> many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for
> many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of
> those friends has been researching his family history for over 30
> years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m
> sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex
> relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure
> designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺

I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships 
were regarded at the norm.  Perhaps "Partner 1" and "Partner 2" could be the 
normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc.  This 
could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry 
but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted.  I 
know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but 
it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included.
There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged 
father.

Something else I would like to see is the dropping of "Unknown" for the father 
where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a 
relationship with the child's father.

Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy 
ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it 
but allow customisation.

--
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

I'm personally not a big fan of gay "marriage" but that's just me. As you point 
out, it is the world we live in and many of us are also recording today's 
information for future generations and sadly, Legacy is indeed failing to keep 
up in that regard.


-Original Message-
From: ArdenholmeGenealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 6:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hi Rich

I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself 
and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female 
when you add the “husband/wife” to the person.

Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking 
in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who are 
gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no longer 
bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching his 
family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came across 
Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex 
relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure designers and 
programmers at Legacy are too! ☺

Many thanks,

Jemima

From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com]
Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hi,

Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺

Cheers

Ian GARDENER
From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my 
sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed 
them as married as they had a civil marriage.

then I listed that they had no children

It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family

If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my 
findings on to you.

Kindest regards,
    Rich


From: Ian GARDENER 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hi,

I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the family 
tree, she is openly gay & would like her life partner acknowledged too. How is 
this best achieved in Legacy?

If I input a spouse it demands that it be male.

They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them 
as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not 
sure yet).


Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired 
surname from a very young age & her “married” name. Is there any way to order 
these correctly?
Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname.


Cheers

Ian GARDENER


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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

Based on the workaround web page it looks like running maint will just reverse 
it.

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 7:34 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

I seem to recollect that when a file is imported from a same sex relationship, 
the sexes are retained. I cannot be certain, but I would think that if the two 
people are exported to a GEDCOM, the sex of one changed in Notepad, then use 
the GEDCOM to replace the Legacy records, then this may work.

I emphasise that I am uncertain about this, but it can do no harm to try!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: ArdenholmeGenealogy
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:14 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hi Rich

I too would be interested to know how you have done it, just tried it myself 
and was curious how you bypassed the restrictions on the automatic male/female 
when you add the “husband/wife” to the person.

Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward thinking 
in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have many friends who 
are gay and have been living with their partners for many years that we no 
longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of those friends has been researching 
his family history for over 30 years and it would be a real shame if he came 
across Legacy (I’m sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same 
sex relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure 
designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺

Many thanks,

Jemima

From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com]
Sent: 09 July 2012 01:49
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hi,

Yes please. By all accounts it’s not possible but people find a way ☺

Cheers

Ian GARDENER
From: Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hello I also have some openly gay members in my family, and when I added my 
sister in law and her partner I was able to list both as female, and I listed 
them as married as they had a civil marriage.

then I listed that they had no children

It was pretty simple for me to add her and my other gay family

If you have trouble perhaps I can re investigate how I added them and pass my 
findings on to you.

Kindest regards,
Rich

________
From: Ian GARDENER 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

Hi,

I’ve come across a living relative who would like to be included in the 
family tree, she is openly gay & would like her life partner acknowledged too. 
How is this best achieved in Legacy?

If I input a spouse it demands that it be male.

They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show them 
as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child (I’m not 
sure yet).


Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired 
surname from a very young age & her “married” name. Is there any way to 
order these correctly?
Pity there’s no way to make individual notes against each surname.


Cheers

Ian GARDENER




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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard relationships.

[Ian GARDENER]

Actually just had a play with it and that will do it for me. Thanks.

I don't want to lose too much sleep over this one off item in my file.

Cheers

-Original Message-
From: Rita Lynn McKale [mailto:cagr...@comporium.net]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 11:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard 
relationships.

Here is what I do for same sex relationships.It's not perfect but it 
helps.

I enter the same sex partner as the spouse, which of course makes that partner 
the wrong sex, and then click on marriage information and then click on the 
"Wording Options" tab.  From there you can at least change the labels in the 
Family View to whatever you wish Female and Female...Female and Same 
Sex PartnerWife and Wife, etc.

Hope this helps.

Rita in South Carolina



-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard 
relationships.

ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote:

> Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward
> thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have
> many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for
> many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of
> those friends has been researching his family history for over 30
> years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m
> sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex
> relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure
> designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺

I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships 
were regarded at the norm.  Perhaps "Partner 1" and "Partner 2" could be the 
normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc.  This 
could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry 
but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted.  I 
know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but 
it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included.
There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged 
father.

Something else I would like to see is the dropping of "Unknown" for the father 
where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a 
relationship with the child's father.

Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy 
ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it 
but allow customisation.

--
Charani (UK)
OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick,
Greinton and Clutton, SOM
http://wsom-opc.org.uk




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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard relationships.

[Ian GARDENER]

I'll check that out, thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Rita Lynn McKale [mailto:cagr...@comporium.net]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 11:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard 
relationships.

Here is what I do for same sex relationships.It's not perfect but it 
helps.

I enter the same sex partner as the spouse, which of course makes that partner 
the wrong sex, and then click on marriage information and then click on the 
"Wording Options" tab.  From there you can at least change the labels in the 
Family View to whatever you wish Female and Female...Female and Same 
Sex PartnerWife and Wife, etc.

Hope this helps.

Rita in South Carolina



-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 6:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage" and other non standard 
relationships.

ArdenholmeGenealogy wrote:

> Ian, I wholeheartedly support you in that Legacy needs to be forward
> thinking in including today’s society and not yesterday’s. I have
> many friends who are gay and have been living with their partners for
> many years that we no longer bat an eyelid to these things. One of
> those friends has been researching his family history for over 30
> years and it would be a real shame if he came across Legacy (I’m
> sure others have) and finds that it doesn’t support same sex
> relationships. If the Government accept civil marriages, I’m sure
> designers and programmers at Legacy are too! ☺

I wouldn't want to see Legacy changed in such a way that same sex relationships 
were regarded at the norm.  Perhaps "Partner 1" and "Partner 2" could be the 
normal with options to customise with Male/Female, Husband/Wife, etc.  This 
could also cover relationships where a male/female couple aren't/don't marry 
but the date on which they got together to form a family unit is wanted.  I 
know there is a box that can be checked to indicate a couple didn't marry but 
it isn't immediately obvious they didn't, esp if a date is also included.
There's also the instances where there's an illegitimate child and an alleged 
father.

Something else I would like to see is the dropping of "Unknown" for the father 
where a child is illegitimate together with the indication the mother had had a 
relationship with the child's father.

Rather than include all the various options as standard and thus making Legacy 
ungainly and bloated, it might be better (from my point of view) to simplify it 
but allow customisation.

--
Charani (UK)
OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick,
Greinton and Clutton, SOM
http://wsom-opc.org.uk




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RE: [LegacyUG] Apologies - another question.

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

No I can achieve that just by making the last field "date at death". I'm 
wanting to display their current age if still alive.

Cheers

Ian GARDENER

-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Crockett [mailto:jcrock...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 12:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Apologies - another question.

Ian,

In Family View, say you have the default Death Cause as a core event, click on 
it, choose Customise, and then you can select what field you want to display 
from a drop down list activated by clicking on the button next to the Death 
Cause.

Is that what you wanted?

Regards,

Jennifer
http://colston-wenck.com

From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 11:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Apologies - another question.

Hi,

I seem to recall reading (some time ago) that there is a way to show a person’s 
current age in family view and I “think” age at death if not living.
I’ve searched the help file without success. Am I correct or has this old brain 
let me down again?

Cheers

Ian GARDENER
Australia





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RE: [LegacyUG] The Official Unofficial Guide to Using Legacy Family Tree by Geoff Rasmussen

[Ian GARDENER]

Oh ok, not what I was expecting.

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Charles Hunt [mailto:charlesah...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2012 9:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] The Official Unofficial Guide to Using Legacy Family 
Tree by Geoff Rasmussen

The "blog"is actually http://news.legacyfamilytree.com. See the footer of most 
messages.

CharlesHunt
On 8 July 2012 20:38, Ian GARDENER  wrote:
> Hi
>
> On the legacy home tab its showing this book for sale: The Official
> Unofficial Guide to Using Legacy Family Tree by Geoff Rasmussen with
> the catch phrase “liked the blog, you’ll love the book” (or similar).
>
> Can anybody tell me what blog this refers to? I’ve searched and cannot
> find it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian GARDENER

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[LegacyUG] Same sex "marriage".

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,



I've come across a living relative who would like to be included in the
family tree, she is openly gay & would like her life partner acknowledged
too. How is this best achieved in Legacy?



If I input a spouse it demands that it be male.



They are not actually married as its not legal here but I cannot even show
them as defacto. For the sake of the question assume they DO have a child
(I'm not sure yet).





Second question- she has had three surnames. Her birth name, her acquired
surname from a very young age & her "married" name. Is there any way to
order these correctly?

Pity there's no way to make individual notes against each surname.





Cheers



Ian GARDENER




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RE: [LegacyUG] Race -

[Ian GARDENER]

Seems to me that this thread has deteriorated to the point where it has nothing 
to do with legacy & has become a soapbox.
Can we terminate it please?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Runion [mailto:sarge1...@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, 7 July 2012 4:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race -

So - how 'bout us 'Appalachian-Americans'


On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:16 AM, David C Abernathy wrote:

> I have to agree with John. If there are "African Americans" Then we have 
> "Asian Americans", "European Americans" and etc.
>
> By the way, there are three continents that make up the America's. North 
> America, Central America and South America. I know of NO country that is 
> named America, it is "USA" United States of America.
>
> The term "African American" has been forced in our faces to the point that it 
> is being used as an excuse in more ways than one.
>
> Thanks,
> David C Abernathy
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> -Original Message-
> From: hwedhlor [mailto:hwedh...@cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race -
>
> Bill,
>
> Please refrain from generalizing about what "many Americans"
> think, or do not think.  I've lived in the United States of America
> for nearly 69 years, and have never met a single American who thinks
> Africa is a country, and not a continent.  Such generalizations are
> just as inaccurate as the term African American. :-)
>
> John
>
> John Zimmerman
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> On 7/5/2012 5:33 PM, runolf...@aol.com wrote:
>> African American in considered by some as a race but anyone born in
>> Africa and now in America would fit that description. Not all people
>> from Africa are black. That is where some confusion can come in. Many
>> Americans think Africa is a country, it is a continent, of many
>> nations and people. It comes down to education, accuracy, and being
>> proud of who you and your family are. I have family members that try
>> to recreate our family, drives me crazy.
>> I go for accuracy.
>> Bill
>> In a message dated 7/5/2012 5:11:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net writes:
>>
>>David is the second person that has commented on this
>>thread, saying that people need to be careful not to
>>"confuse" race with nation of origin.  This totally
>>baffles me as to how anyone wouldn't know what the
>>difference between a person's race and their nation of
>>origin. American and South African are nationalities.
>> Caucasian is a race.  How would someone confuse the
>>two?  Japanese is a nationality.  Asian is a race.
>> Again, how do you confuse the two?
>>
>>Ron Bernier
>>Sent from my iPad
>>
>>On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>Only some of them (census) had contained race.
>>>
>>>Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and
>>>not a nation of origin.
>>>
>>>Sent from my Kindle Fire
>>>In God We Trust
>>>
>>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Producing a report in PDF format

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,



I can’t comment on this being a legacy issue or not, but I can tell you that 
when I worked at a multinational we had to run a demon through the network to 
purge all non standard fonts. Some fonts are simply not designed well. True 
Fonts go part of the way to fix this problem so you might want to try other 
fonts, particularly True Fonts.



Cheers



Ian GARDENER



From: Ila Johnson [mailto:johnsoni...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 1:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Producing a report in PDF format



I am trying to produce a multi-line report in PDF format.  After creating the 
report, I push the PDF button to issue the report, but when you give it a name 
the only extention listed is rf1?  I need it in PDF so others can open it and 
look at it.



I am also having probems with persons that have notes, the report has once in 
awhile a large gap before the next person is listed.



And why are there gaps in some names like Sylv ia, Kev in, Dav id?  Is this due 
to the font?  If so what font will work and not have these gaps?



Any help will be greatly appreciated.



Ila Johnson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Results in a messy registry too & if at some stage I need to edit, remove those 
registry settings, it will really be a pain.

Cheers

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

We don't recommend that and defintely do not place Legacy in the c:\Program 
Files folder if you have Windows Vista or Windows 7.


It's too easy to get confused with two instances of Legacy running on the 
computer. We've had to deal with many users who have had problems, some of them 
not even realizing they had Legacy installed twice!


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Michel Lacoursiere  
wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> So all you want is to be able to run 2 instances of Legacy at the same time?
> Why didn't you say so before? LOL
>
> Just copy the Legacy folder somewhere else on your drive ( eg: have
> one copy in C:\ Program Files and one in C:\)
>
> Voilà! You can run 2 instances of Legacy.
>
> Guess you can manage to have one on a screen and the other one on the
> other screen.
>
> Michel Lacoursiere
> lacoume...@yahoo.com



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,



Tried that but very messy, still a possibility if nothing better arises.



Ian G



From: familytree [mailto:familyt...@wightman.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 6:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors




...so why not copy your legacy file..so that both are identical..Change the fdb 
file to an mdb file and open it in access and then open one copy in Legacy,   
while the access file is open.Voila!







---Original Message---



From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Date: 6/24/2012 10:15:47 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



No I’ve made it clear a few times that the issue is running different legacy 
files in each screen.



Cheers



Ian



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 9:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Ian,



I think we must be talking at cross purposes here, I was under the impression 
that you wanted the same DB opened twice. Using the split screen you can 
copy/paste across. You can only do it one field at a time.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:22 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Hi,



Agreed.



However I can run 2 instances of ms access simultaneously with different 
databases/files no worries at all, it’s a classic use of db. This is blocked in 
the Legacy front end.





Cheers



Ian



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Ian,



Legacy does not use the windows clipboard, but its own, which is why you can 
only copy/paste into the same database.



Yes Legacy is Access based.



Actually in this respect, it does not matter that Legacy is Access based as the 
restrictions are the same for all well constructed databases. They are there to 
stop the users corrupting their own files, and should be welcomed.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:34 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Hi,



No matter what i do, I cannot cut and paste from one file to another.  I can 
copy/paste within the same file but not using two different files. Specifically:



On the let screen/split I have myself open in the new database, on the right 
screen I have myself open in the old database.

In the right screen I open up details, open an event, then copy it to the 
clipboard. I then close that screen (have to to proceed), click on the left 
database and the clipboard in now empty. It doesn’t matter wether I save or 
cancel in the old database, the result applies, “THE EVENT CLIPBOARD IS EMPTY”.



So I set up two new databases in split screen and tried the same thing, same 
result. The clipboard does not hold data once I click on the different file in 
the other screen. Someone mentioned access (is Legacy accessdb based?). So in 
access database I tried essentially the same thing and same result.





Ian G



From: Carl Cox [mailto:ct...@centurytel.net]
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



<>



We must be talking past each other,  because I often use this method within a 
single file and between different files in a split screen. The only requirement 
is that you "save" the  individual information as it currently is, regardless 
of when it was entered. That saved information becomes a template from which 
you can use any piece of information you wish, in any database. I don't know if 
Legacy remembers the  last one saved when it is closed - it very well could. I 
have 2 files that I record current happenings in, identically in both, and I 
call up split screen, enter the personal information in one database, save it, 
then go to the other database and copy each newly entered information by 
clicking on the field name. Is that how you are trying to use this method?

Carl






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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

A simple & elegant solution by the sound o it. I’ll give that a try. Sometimes 
I miss the obvious.

Thanks



In



From: familytree [mailto:familyt...@wightman.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 6:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors




...so why not copy your legacy file..so that both are identical..Change the fdb 
file to an mdb file and open it in access and then open one copy in Legacy,   
while the access file is open.Voila!







---Original Message---



From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Date: 6/24/2012 10:15:47 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



No I’ve made it clear a few times that the issue is running different legacy 
files in each screen.



Cheers



Ian



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 9:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Ian,



I think we must be talking at cross purposes here, I was under the impression 
that you wanted the same DB opened twice. Using the split screen you can 
copy/paste across. You can only do it one field at a time.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:22 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Hi,



Agreed.



However I can run 2 instances of ms access simultaneously with different 
databases/files no worries at all, it’s a classic use of db. This is blocked in 
the Legacy front end.





Cheers



Ian



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Ian,



Legacy does not use the windows clipboard, but its own, which is why you can 
only copy/paste into the same database.



Yes Legacy is Access based.



Actually in this respect, it does not matter that Legacy is Access based as the 
restrictions are the same for all well constructed databases. They are there to 
stop the users corrupting their own files, and should be welcomed.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:34 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Hi,



No matter what i do, I cannot cut and paste from one file to another.  I can 
copy/paste within the same file but not using two different files. Specifically:



On the let screen/split I have myself open in the new database, on the right 
screen I have myself open in the old database.

In the right screen I open up details, open an event, then copy it to the 
clipboard. I then close that screen (have to to proceed), click on the left 
database and the clipboard in now empty. It doesn’t matter wether I save or 
cancel in the old database, the result applies, “THE EVENT CLIPBOARD IS EMPTY”.



So I set up two new databases in split screen and tried the same thing, same 
result. The clipboard does not hold data once I click on the different file in 
the other screen. Someone mentioned access (is Legacy accessdb based?). So in 
access database I tried essentially the same thing and same result.





Ian G



From: Carl Cox [mailto:ct...@centurytel.net]
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



<>



We must be talking past each other,  because I often use this method within a 
single file and between different files in a split screen. The only requirement 
is that you "save" the  individual information as it currently is, regardless 
of when it was entered. That saved information becomes a template from which 
you can use any piece of information you wish, in any database. I don't know if 
Legacy remembers the  last one saved when it is closed - it very well could. I 
have 2 files that I record current happenings in, identically in both, and I 
call up split screen, enter the personal information in one database, save it, 
then go to the other database and copy each newly entered information by 
clicking on the field name. Is that how you are trying to use this method?

Carl






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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

It is an option but more of a last resort due to space issues.

Individuals in the file are less than a thousand but events alone are already 
past 30,000.

Ian G

-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 10:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

This was actually helpful :)  I have been trying to follow the conversation but 
I was getting confused.  How about this.  TWO computers.  Could you borrow a 
laptop from someone and pull up your "read only" file on it   and then on your 
computer work with your real file?  You wouldn't be able to copy and paste 
obviously but it would be easier to see and work with the data than it would be 
using split screen mode.   How many individuals do you need to do?

Michele


FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO CLAIFY THIS FOR EVERYONE:
___

Imagine that the genie fairies waved their wands and turned every bit of 
genealocical info in the world, into a format that can ONLY be read using 
Legacy Family Tree V7.5 & it is READ ONLY FORMAT. You can view it but not 
manipulate it, add to it or do anything at all but see it.

At the same time when they waved their wand, they destroyed every other 
software in the world. There is in this world, only legacy data and legacy 
software.

HOW would you "BEST" & "EFFICIENTLY" use your copy of legacy on your only 
computer to both read the data & write your own interpretation of it in a NEW 
legacy file? Remember no importing or manipulation of any kind.


This is my dilemma. I MUST use the legacy file as a reference. I MUST NOT 
import anything but I can transcribe what I like as long as I verify every bit 
of info as I go. However I cannot see my reference in legacy & input in legacy 
at the same time. Yes in basic family view but as soon as you drill down to 
detail, events, sources, geo info, etc, you are forced to close the open window 
before you can do anything else and you cannot (so far) run 2 copies of legacy 
at the same time in the same Microsoft operating system.

In unix its as easy as pie, alas I have to work with Windows.


Please don't bother asking why I must do this or can't do that, those are the 
parameters I'm working with. If you really feel you must know, email me and 
I'll fill you in but the answer will take you to the twilight zone.:)

Cheers

Ian G




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

Thanks for that, the ability to transfer between db's is more a wish than a 
requirement. I'll settle for an easy way to "view" a legacy event while 
entering an event in a different db. If Legacy had a transcript mode, ie like 
the free transcript software I would be overjoyed. I could of course use legacy 
as my reference and other genie software for the new file, but I really like 
Legacy.

The only real requirements is to be able to have detailed info (ie events, 
sources, etc) open to "view" in database A as a reference, while I'm entering 
data manually in database B. Or to really get everyone thinking,

===

FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO CLAIFY THIS FOR EVERYONE:
___

Imagine that the genie fairies waved their wands and turned every bit of 
genealocical info in the world, into a format that can ONLY be read using 
Legacy Family Tree V7.5 & it is READ ONLY FORMAT. You can view it but not 
manipulate it, add to it or do anything at all but see it.

At the same time when they waved their wand, they destroyed every other 
software in the world. There is in this world, only legacy data and legacy 
software.

HOW would you "BEST" & "EFFICIENTLY" use your copy of legacy on your only 
computer to both read the data & write your own interpretation of it in a NEW 
legacy file? Remember no importing or manipulation of any kind.


This is my dilemma. I MUST use the legacy file as a reference. I MUST NOT 
import anything but I can transcribe what I like as long as I verify every bit 
of info as I go. However I cannot see my reference in legacy & input in legacy 
at the same time. Yes in basic family view but as soon as you drill down to 
detail, events, sources, geo info, etc, you are forced to close the open window 
before you can do anything else and you cannot (so far) run 2 copies of legacy 
at the same time in the same Microsoft operating system.

In unix its as easy as pie, alas I have to work with Windows.


Please don't bother asking why I must do this or can't do that, those are the 
parameters I'm working with. If you really feel you must know, email me and 
I'll fill you in but the answer will take you to the twilight zone.:)

Cheers

Ian G




-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 7:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

Ian, before you go down the last route, I have the ability on my laptop to have 
legacy open in a Virtual XP environment as well as being open in Windows 7.  I 
cannot copy an event to the Legacy clipboard in one environment and paste from 
that clipboad in the other (Clipboard copy/paste is enabled between 
environments).
I can copy text from a notes field and paste as text into the other database 
notes field.
Event copy / paste only works on split screen on the same file.

Alan Pereira


-Original Message-
From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 June 2012 06:04
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

Thank you for your input but it fails to address the issue, it does not achieve 
the required result. Copy and paste never came into it, at least not from me.

I DO NOT WANT TO/CANNOT IMPORT PEOPLE FOR REASONS OF MY OWN, I am dealing with 
events only and perhaps sources, thousands & thousands of them and import/merge 
is NOT an option as stated in my opening question. The simplest thing would be 
if I could keep events open in one screen while working on someone in the other 
screen, so I can transcribe & check as I go. Legacy does not allow this however 
access database (legacy's engine) does, so I'm trying to find a way to make it 
work in legacy too. Simple as that.

Being able to template events across different databases would be good (albeit 
problematic under windows) as would running simultaneous versions of legacy but 
none of these work in legacy windows, although all can be done in varying 
degrees, in the access engine that is Legacy's heart.

I've tried it on a unix machine and all can be done there easily using 
emulators too BUT my laptop does not run unix. I could do screen captures and 
keep that open in one screen but it will nearly triple the time involved.

At this point the most helpful ideas are finding another program that can read 
legacy files directly, accurately & completely so i can open that in one 
screen/monitor while working legacy on the other, building a legacy compatible 
reader (groan), accessing the legacy database tables directly (double groan) or 
finding a way to shell legacy to run a second copy without installing a 

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Thank you for your input but it fails to address the issue, it does not achieve 
the required result. Copy and paste never came into it, at least not from me.

I DO NOT WANT TO/CANNOT IMPORT PEOPLE FOR REASONS OF MY OWN, I am dealing with 
events only and perhaps sources, thousands & thousands of them and import/merge 
is NOT an option as stated in my opening question. The simplest thing would be 
if I could keep events open in one screen while working on someone in the other 
screen, so I can transcribe & check as I go. Legacy does not allow this however 
access database (legacy's engine) does, so I'm trying to find a way to make it 
work in legacy too. Simple as that.

Being able to template events across different databases would be good (albeit 
problematic under windows) as would running simultaneous versions of legacy but 
none of these work in legacy windows, although all can be done in varying 
degrees, in the access engine that is Legacy's heart.

I've tried it on a unix machine and all can be done there easily using 
emulators too BUT my laptop does not run unix. I could do screen captures and 
keep that open in one screen but it will nearly triple the time involved.

At this point the most helpful ideas are finding another program that can read 
legacy files directly, accurately & completely so i can open that in one 
screen/monitor while working legacy on the other, building a legacy compatible 
reader (groan), accessing the legacy database tables directly (double groan) or 
finding a way to shell legacy to run a second copy without installing a new 
operating system. The last is looking as the most promising right now.



Regards

Ian


BTW Like your site by the way.


-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 1:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

Ok, I've read it (for the fourth time) - Stop trying to copy and paste.
Go to Family View on both screens. Drag and drop 'John Smith' on the right to 
'John Smith' on the left.

Proceed through the screens:
Just The Individual Above, and anything else on the screen you're interested in.
Click Start Copy
Do what you want on next screens til you get to Merge.

Then keep all information on the left, as you want it, go to the Events tab and 
send the Events on the right to the left side.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 6/24/2012 8:37 PM, JLB wrote:
> If I could find you in the thread I would. I only see your name in it
> once and I could swear you've been talking on this subject practically
> forever. If you'd like some help, kindly humour me and tell me your
> problem.
>
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 6/24/2012 8:29 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
>> Several things, please read the thread.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
>> Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 1:28 PM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>
>> I don't know what you mean about database locking. As I understand it you're 
>> trying to get Events from one family file into another. What's stopping you?
>>
>> JL Beeken
>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>>
>> On 6/24/2012 8:18 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
>>> I've explained it several times. Are you saying you can get around database 
>>> locking?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
>>> Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 12:39 PM
>>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>>
>>> I run two Legacy files in split-screen and I don't understand your problem.
>>>
>>> JL Beeken
>>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
>>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>>>
>>> On 6/24/2012 7:14 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
>>>> No I’ve made it clear a few
>>>> times that the issue is running different legacy files in each screen.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy....@tiscali.co.uk]
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 25 June 2012 9:57 AM
>>>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>>&

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Several things, please read the thread.

cheers

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 1:28 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

I don't know what you mean about database locking. As I understand it you're 
trying to get Events from one family file into another. What's stopping you?

JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 6/24/2012 8:18 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> I've explained it several times. Are you saying you can get around database 
> locking?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
> Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 12:39 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>
> I run two Legacy files in split-screen and I don't understand your problem.
>
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 6/24/2012 7:14 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
>> No I’ve made it clear a few times that the issue is running
>> different legacy files in each screen.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
>> *Sent:* Monday, 25 June 2012 9:57 AM
>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> I think we must be talking at cross purposes here, I was under the
>> impression that you wanted the same DB opened twice. Using the split
>> screen you can copy/paste across. You can only do it one field at a time.
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>>
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>
>> *From:*Ian GARDENER<mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:*Monday, June 25, 2012 12:22 AM
>>
>> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
>>
>> *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> However I can run 2 instances of ms access simultaneously with
>> different databases/files no worries at all, it’s a classic
>> use of db. This is blocked in the Legacy front end.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:06 PM
>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> Legacy does not use the windows clipboard, but its own, which is why
>> you can only copy/paste into the same database.
>>
>> Yes Legacy is Access based.
>>
>> Actually in this respect, it does not matter that Legacy is Access
>> based as the restrictions are the same for all well constructed databases.
>> They are there to stop the users corrupting their own files, and
>> should be welcomed.
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>>
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>
>> *From:*Ian GARDENER<mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:*Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:34 PM
>>
>> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
>>
>> *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> No matter what i do, I cannot cut and paste from one file to another.
>> I can copy/paste within the same file but not using two different files.
>
>> Specifically:
>>
>> On the let screen/split I have myself open in the new database, on
>> the right screen I have myself open in the old database.
>>
>> In the right screen I open up details, open an event, then copy it to
>> the clipboard. I then close that screen (have to to proceed), click
>> on the left database and the clipboard in now empty. It
>> doesn’t matter wether I save or cancel in the old database,
>> the result applies, “THE EVENT CLIPBOARD IS EMPTY”.
>>
>> So I set up two new databases in split screen and tried the same
>> thing, same result. The clipboard does not hold data once I click on
>> the different file in the other screen. Someone mentioned access (is
>> Legacy accessdb based?). So in access database I tried essentially
>> the same thing and same result.
>>
>> Ian G
>>
>> *From:*Carl Cox [mailto:ct...@centurytel.net]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:36 AM
>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

I've explained it several times. Are you saying you can get around database 
locking?

Cheers

Ian

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 12:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

I run two Legacy files in split-screen and I don't understand your problem.

JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 6/24/2012 7:14 PM, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> No I’ve made it clear a few times that the issue is running
> different legacy files in each screen.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian
>
> *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Monday, 25 June 2012 9:57 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>
> Ian,
>
> I think we must be talking at cross purposes here, I was under the
> impression that you wanted the same DB opened twice. Using the split
> screen you can copy/paste across. You can only do it one field at a time.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> *From:*Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:*Monday, June 25, 2012 12:22 AM
>
> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
>
> *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>
> Hi,
>
> Agreed.
>
> However I can run 2 instances of ms access simultaneously with
> different databases/files no worries at all, it’s a classic use of
> db. This is blocked in the Legacy front end.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian
>
> *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:06 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>
> Ian,
>
> Legacy does not use the windows clipboard, but its own, which is why
> you can only copy/paste into the same database.
>
> Yes Legacy is Access based.
>
> Actually in this respect, it does not matter that Legacy is Access
> based as the restrictions are the same for all well constructed databases.
> They are there to stop the users corrupting their own files, and
> should be welcomed.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> *From:*Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:*Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:34 PM
>
> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
>
> *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>
> Hi,
>
> No matter what i do, I cannot cut and paste from one file to another.
> I can copy/paste within the same file but not using two different files.
> Specifically:
>
> On the let screen/split I have myself open in the new database, on the
> right screen I have myself open in the old database.
>
> In the right screen I open up details, open an event, then copy it to
> the clipboard. I then close that screen (have to to proceed), click on
> the left database and the clipboard in now empty. It doesn’t matter
> wether I save or cancel in the old database, the result applies,
> “THE EVENT CLIPBOARD IS EMPTY”.
>
> So I set up two new databases in split screen and tried the same
> thing, same result. The clipboard does not hold data once I click on
> the different file in the other screen. Someone mentioned access (is
> Legacy accessdb based?). So in access database I tried essentially the
> same thing and same result.
>
> Ian G
>
> *From:*Carl Cox [mailto:ct...@centurytel.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:36 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors
>
> < individual) but I cannot get it to work when each split is open to a
> different file L
>
> Ian>>
>
> We must be talking past each other, because I often use this method
> within a single file and between different files in a split screen.
> The only requirement is that you "save" the individual information as
> it currently is, regardless of when it was entered. That saved
> information becomes a template from which you can use any piece of
> information you wish, in any database. I don't know if Legacy
> remembers the last one saved when it is closed - it very well could. I
> have 2 files that I record current happenings in, identically in both,
> and I call up split screen, enter the personal information in one
> database, save it, then go to the other database and copy each newly
> entered information by clicking on the

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

No I’ve made it clear a few times that the issue is running different legacy 
files in each screen.



Cheers



Ian



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 9:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Ian,



I think we must be talking at cross purposes here, I was under the impression 
that you wanted the same DB opened twice. Using the split screen you can 
copy/paste across. You can only do it one field at a time.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:22 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Hi,



Agreed.



However I can run 2 instances of ms access simultaneously with different 
databases/files no worries at all, it’s a classic use of db. This is blocked in 
the Legacy front end.





Cheers



Ian



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Ian,



Legacy does not use the windows clipboard, but its own, which is why you can 
only copy/paste into the same database.



Yes Legacy is Access based.



Actually in this respect, it does not matter that Legacy is Access based as the 
restrictions are the same for all well constructed databases. They are there to 
stop the users corrupting their own files, and should be welcomed.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Ian GARDENER <mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:34 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



Hi,



No matter what i do, I cannot cut and paste from one file to another.  I can 
copy/paste within the same file but not using two different files. Specifically:



On the let screen/split I have myself open in the new database, on the right 
screen I have myself open in the old database.

In the right screen I open up details, open an event, then copy it to the 
clipboard. I then close that screen (have to to proceed), click on the left 
database and the clipboard in now empty. It doesn’t matter wether I save or 
cancel in the old database, the result applies, “THE EVENT CLIPBOARD IS EMPTY”.



So I set up two new databases in split screen and tried the same thing, same 
result. The clipboard does not hold data once I click on the different file in 
the other screen. Someone mentioned access (is Legacy accessdb based?). So in 
access database I tried essentially the same thing and same result.





Ian G



From: Carl Cox [mailto:ct...@centurytel.net]
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors



<>



We must be talking past each other,  because I often use this method within a 
single file and between different files in a split screen. The only requirement 
is that you "save" the  individual information as it currently is, regardless 
of when it was entered. That saved information becomes a template from which 
you can use any piece of information you wish, in any database. I don't know if 
Legacy remembers the  last one saved when it is closed - it very well could. I 
have 2 files that I record current happenings in, identically in both, and I 
call up split screen, enter the personal information in one database, save it, 
then go to the other database and copy each newly entered information by 
clicking on the field name. Is that how you are trying to use this method?

Carl






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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

Tried option 1 (although not with paf, I'll try that), Export gedcom, import to 
new program, but so far they all seem to lose event detail in the process. Even 
though I have all export options on and all privacy off. Is there a program 
that can directly import the legacy file?

Notepad works but cutting and pasting all text for thousands of events is 
scary, my brain would freeze & I'll turn into a politician :)


Regards

Ian

-Original Message-
From: Virginia Dunham [mailto:geistdn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 12:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy split screen view on 2 monitors

Ian,

I can only think of two options for you:

1) download a "freebie" genealogy program (such as PAF) and export the "bad" 
file to it...then you could run both Legacy and the freebie program next to one 
another. Maybe another member could suggest some other freebie programs to use.

2) or have a program such as Notepad opened and copy from the bad file...paste 
to Notepad...then cut and paste from there to your "good"
file.

Virginia



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RE: [LegacyUG] prompt when using source clipboard

[Ian GARDENER]

Hi,

Not that this helps a lot, but I've loaded each new build as it's released
and I use the source clipboard & single dash function daily. I have not
experienced this behaviour.

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-Original Message-
From: Joan Lalonde [mailto:billnj...@hughes.net]
Sent: Tue,27, Apr 7:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] prompt when using source clipboard

In the last two days, when I save something to the source clipboard, each
time I click either the single dash or the 3dash icons to cite the source to

an item, I get a pop-up asking if I want to override the date I originally
entered, even if I just created the source and saved it to the clipboard.
This is new behavior for Legacy.

I am running Version 7.4.0.25 date 25 March 2010.

Have I mistakenly clicked something or is this a bug?

Thanks for any help.

Joan Tyo Lalonde
Potsdam, NY




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RE: [LegacyUG] Family view parents names changed to light blue

[Ian GARDENER]

If you haven't customised any colours, the easiest thing would be to reset
all colours back to default. OPTIONS > CUSTOMISE > COLOURS > RESET TO
DEFAULTS.

Hope this helps,

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Sent: Mon,26, Apr 8:08 AM
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Family view parents names changed to light blue

In family view the names of the parents are now a light blue. I think
I caused this when I tried to sent the direct line to bold. I think I
did this by going to tools>set direct line as preferred.

Could someone tell me how to change the names back to the darker blue.

Thank you,
Ann



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