[LegacyUG] Best way to source?
Hello, Jenny Thanks for the advice. What I see on the site is almost exactly what I see in the e-mail. It is just a transcription, not an original source. I started using a Church record, transcription template and I guess that is actually the way to go. Thanks again Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source?
On 09/04/2013 04:46, Tony Rolfe wrote: > I have just subscribed to the Durham Records Online collection. After > searching, I eventually receive an e-mail containing a transcription of > a baptism, marriage or cemetery record. The e-mail content looks like: > > --- > > Here is a copy of the record you recently viewed at Durham Records Online: > > Baptisms, Easington District > Record Number: 66956.0 > Location: Shotton with Haswell > Church: St. Saviour > Denomination: Anglican > 16 Sep 1914 Alice Mullender, daughter of James Mullender & Alice Mabel > Elsie Mullender > > - > > If I'm using SourceWriter, what would be the best template to use? > > Should I use the same template for all records (email?) or different > templates for each type of record? Personally, I only use an e-mail template if someone has sent me some unsourced information. In a case like this I would rather use a suitable template for an online Church record. I don't know the site you mention, but I presume you saw all the details above, or an image of the Baptism Register, on screen before applying for the transcript? If that is the case, I would use one of the Church Records templates - Online database or Online images, whichever is appropriate. BTW, if I use an Online image template I use the words "Parish Registers" in my Source List Name and if I see only a Transcription then I use the words "Parish Records". -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Best way to source?
Greetings all I have just subscribed to the Durham Records Online collection. After searching, I eventually receive an e-mail containing a transcription of a baptism, marriage or cemetery record. The e-mail content looks like: --- Here is a copy of the record you recently viewed at Durham Records Online: Baptisms, Easington District Record Number: 66956.0 Location: Shotton with Haswell Church: St. Saviour Denomination: Anglican 16 Sep 1914 Alice Mullender, daughter of James Mullender & Alice Mabel Elsie Mullender - If I'm using SourceWriter, what would be the best template to use? Should I use the same template for all records (email?) or different templates for each type of record? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Thank you Jenny - it's always the most blindingly obvious bit I miss. Tony On 26/02/2010 10:39 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > Tony Rolfe wrote >> I've just had a search through the archives and reference is made to a >> thread in 2008. >> >> However, the archives don't seem to go that far back, unless I'm >> missing something. > > Yes, you are! You're missing the bit just a bit further down this > message - and every other one - which tells you that the archives are > before 29 November 2009 are in a different place to those of after that > date. > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14440 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14450 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Tony, I agree that you should have one master source for all birth certificates issued by one state, county or whatever juristiction. To find all references to an individual certificate which have an attached multimedia (picture) you could temporarily rename that "picture" to "xpicture". Then Options> Customize> Locations> Test All Multimedia Paths. This will produce a report telling you what you need. Be sure to rename the Picture. -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: > Charles > > I may have not explained properly. > > If I have one master source for all birth certificates and want to make > a list of all people referencing just one certificate, then I don't > think your mechanism will work. Surely it will list everyone who is > referenced by any of those certificates. > > But maybe I'm missing something > > Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Tony, I agree and only a few days ago made the same point, adding that I will never fill in those parts which are not included on the certificate. In fact the GRO reference details are from the Indexes, and it is in a Master Source for the BMD Indexes where I put them. Ron Ferguson _ Create your Website with Legacy, see Tutorials at: http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Tony Rolfe wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their help so far > > I'm inclined to treat a physical piece of paper as a source in its own > right and to treat a database of related data as a single source. > Seems logical that way. So, certificates are split and indices are > lumped. > > One thing is puzzling me, though. With the source writer if I create > a > new source "Birth Records > Birth Certificate > England > Birth > Certificate from the GRO > Basic Format" then the detail asks for > information which is not on the actual certificate (registration > volume > and page no)and for a marriage cert it also asks for the registration > sub district which isn't there either. > > Now I can go hunt that down. After all, I needed it to order the > cert, > but surely it isn't correct to record information that isn't on the > source? > > Cheers > > Tony > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Tony Rolfe wrote >I've just had a search through the archives and reference is made to a >thread in 2008. > >However, the archives don't seem to go that far back, unless I'm >missing something. Yes, you are! You're missing the bit just a bit further down this message - and every other one - which tells you that the archives are before 29 November 2009 are in a different place to those of after that date. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Tony, Without knowing the exact details it is not easy to be specific, however, I would suggest the you look at Search>Find>Detailed Search. The first box should contain "Individual" and the second "Source Master" (at the end of the drop-down list), the next box has "Contains" and in the end box put in awword or phrase specific to this source. Then us "AND" second condition, Source Citation, Contains, and again, a suitable phrase or specific word. Ensure the Clear List button is checked and click Create. This should give you your list Ron Ferguson _ Create your Website with Legacy, see Tutorials at: http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Tony Rolfe wrote: > Charles > > I may have not explained properly. > > If I have one master source for all birth certificates and want to > make a list of all people referencing just one certificate, then I > don't think your mechanism will work. Surely it will list everyone > who is referenced by any of those certificates. > > But maybe I'm missing something > > Tony > > On 26/02/2010 4:28 AM, Charles Apple wrote: >> Tony, >> >> As for the first part of your question I will echo the responses >> previously given by others on this list, namely it depends upon >> whether you are a Lumper or Splitter. They both have their >> advantages and disadvantages. >> >> However, as to ". . . but a single source means you can't list >> everyone who refereces a particular certificate." Yes you can, >> Select the Master Source list>, Select the particular Source from >> the Source List window>, Select "Show List" button on right side>, >> Select Print which will give you options to preview, print, select >> report destination, etc. >> >> Charles E. Apple > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Thanks to everyone for their help so far I'm inclined to treat a physical piece of paper as a source in its own right and to treat a database of related data as a single source. Seems logical that way. So, certificates are split and indices are lumped. One thing is puzzling me, though. With the source writer if I create a new source "Birth Records > Birth Certificate > England > Birth Certificate from the GRO > Basic Format" then the detail asks for information which is not on the actual certificate (registration volume and page no)and for a marriage cert it also asks for the registration sub district which isn't there either. Now I can go hunt that down. After all, I needed it to order the cert, but surely it isn't correct to record information that isn't on the source? Cheers Tony E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14440 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Kirsten, I've just had a search through the archives and reference is made to a thread in 2008. However, the archives don't seem to go that far back, unless I'm missing something. Cheers Tony On 25/02/2010 6:31 PM, Kirsten Bowman wrote: > Tony: > > Splitting hairs here, but part of the answer depends on what you have. >If it's an actual Marriage License and Certificate then that's an artifact >and should be treated differently from a database, marriage register, or online images. > For the latter, you're into the old lumper/splitter discussion. >(See the LUG Archives for dozens of pro/con arguments on that topic.) > > Kirsten E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14440 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Charles I may have not explained properly. If I have one master source for all birth certificates and want to make a list of all people referencing just one certificate, then I don't think your mechanism will work. Surely it will list everyone who is referenced by any of those certificates. But maybe I'm missing something Tony On 26/02/2010 4:28 AM, Charles Apple wrote: > Tony, > > As for the first part of your question I will echo the responses previously > given by others on this list, namely it depends upon whether you are a > Lumper or Splitter. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. > > However, as to ". . . but a single source means you can't list everyone who > refereces a particular certificate." Yes you can, Select the Master Source > list>, Select the particular Source from the Source List window>, Select > "Show List" button on right side>, Select Print which will give you options > to preview, print, select report destination, etc. > > Charles E. Apple E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14440 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Tony Rolfe wrote >If you have a marriage (or birth or death) certificate and want to use >it as a source for various data, should you create one source for each >certificate? Or is it better to have a single source "Marriage >Certificate" and put each certificate's data as detail for the main >source? As with so many things, it boils down to individual choice. On this list we tend to refer to the two options as Splitting (many Master Sources) or Lumping (one Master Source). Personally, I am a Lumper because I believe this is good database practice. Having numerous Masters for the same type of Source leads to much needless repetition and the scope for more mistakes. Someone will be along in a minute to give you all the reasons why Splitting is a good thing! > >Individual sources means a lot of source entries, but a single source >means you can't list everyone who refereces a particular certificate. I've never found this to be a problem as I've never needed to create such a list. There aren't *that* many people named on a Certificate and if I want to know who is I look at the Certificate. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
Tony: Splitting hairs here, but part of the answer depends on what you have. If it's an actual Marriage License and Certificate then that's an artifact and should be treated differently from a database, marriage register, or online images. For the latter, you're into the old lumper/splitter discussion. (See the LUG Archives for dozens of pro/con arguments on that topic.) If you're getting many marriage records from an online source, and if they're US or Canadian records, I'd tend to treat them about as you do census records--splitting either at the state/province or county level depending on how many you have and how much repetitive typing you want to do. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate If you have a marriage (or birth or death) certificate and want to use it as a source for various data, should you create one source for each certificate? Or is it better to have a single source "Marriage Certificate" and put each certificate's data as detail for the main source? Individual sources means a lot of source entries, but a single source means you can't list everyone who refereces a particular certificate. Advice would be appreciated Thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
It depends. If I have multiple marriages in a locality, then I will lump them, Ex: Chicago IL in one source, or if the info is in a statewide DB. But I will not clump jurisidictions to keep the quantity of sources artificially low, (as a friend does). Rich in LA CA --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Tony Rolfe wrote: > From: Tony Rolfe > Subject: [LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 6:09 PM > If you have a marriage (or birth or > death) certificate and want to use > it as a source for various data, should you create one > source for each > certificate? Or is it better to have a single source > "Marriage > Certificate" and put each certificate's data as detail for > the main source? > > Individual sources means a lot of source entries, but a > single source > means you can't list everyone who refereces a particular > certificate. > > Advice would be appreciated > > Thanks > > Tony > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14430 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 > 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Best way to source a certificate
If you have a marriage (or birth or death) certificate and want to use it as a source for various data, should you create one source for each certificate? Or is it better to have a single source "Marriage Certificate" and put each certificate's data as detail for the main source? Individual sources means a lot of source entries, but a single source means you can't list everyone who refereces a particular certificate. Advice would be appreciated Thanks Tony E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14430 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
