Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
Michelle & Marie: Thank you for your responses. To summarize, ChasH said that the instructions to the enumerators in 1880 were that, in this case, the jailer (i.e., superintendent) was the head of household. Jennie suggested using the Event description to show that the person was the Superintendent of the facility. And Michele (with Marie agreeing) said that she puts the name of the hospital as the "head of household." So I have the superintendent, Event description and the name of hospital as "head of household." I don't think that I have gotten ahead here . Thanks again to all. Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
Jennie: Thank you for the suggestion of using the notes to explain the situation. Howland Davis -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson To: LegacyUserGroup Sent: Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:57 am Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question On 03/03/2013 21:09, Howlanddavisii wrote: > > Luggers: > > I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the insane per the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling is the superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for the census, is he the head of the household or would I show the name of the facility as the household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the Insane Household, 1880 U.S. Census, etc.)? > Thank you in advance for your thoughts. > I have someone in a similar position in my family. In the Event Description I copied the information from the census, including the fact that he was stated to be Head of the household and that his occupation was Superintendent of Cottage Homes.(1) In the Event Notes I entered the members of the household, which included "... Officers, Servants and Inmate Children. In the "Id of Person" field in the Citation Details I put "household of Alfred Ernest Nosworthy" because I use the same Citation for all members of the household. Of course, this was for an England Census so might be slightly different for you with a US one. (1) Cottage Homes were a type of orphanage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
I agree with Michele. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C. --- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. In a message dated 3/4/2013 8:04:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ancestor...@gmail.com writes: I have a few citations for asylums and I always put the name of the hospital as the "head of household" in the citation. Michele -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:56 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question On 03/03/2013 21:09, Howlanddavisii wrote: > > Luggers: > > I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the insane per the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling is the superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for the census, is he the head of the household or would I show the name of the facility as the household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the Insane Household, 1880 U.S. Census, etc.)? > Thank you in advance for your thoughts. > I have someone in a similar position in my family. In the Event Description I copied the information from the census, including the fact that he was stated to be Head of the household and that his occupation was Superintendent of Cottage Homes.(1) In the Event Notes I entered the members of the household, which included "... Officers, Servants and Inmate Children. In the "Id of Person" field in the Citation Details I put "household of Alfred Ernest Nosworthy" because I use the same Citation for all members of the household. Of course, this was for an England Census so might be slightly different for you with a US one. (1) Cottage Homes were a type of orphanage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
I have a few citations for asylums and I always put the name of the hospital as the "head of household" in the citation. Michele -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:56 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question On 03/03/2013 21:09, Howlanddavisii wrote: > > Luggers: > > I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the insane per > the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling is the > superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for the census, is > he the head of the household or would I show the name of the facility as the > household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the Insane Household, 1880 U.S. > Census, etc.)? > Thank you in advance for your thoughts. > I have someone in a similar position in my family. In the Event Description I copied the information from the census, including the fact that he was stated to be Head of the household and that his occupation was Superintendent of Cottage Homes.(1) In the Event Notes I entered the members of the household, which included "... Officers, Servants and Inmate Children. In the "Id of Person" field in the Citation Details I put "household of Alfred Ernest Nosworthy" because I use the same Citation for all members of the household. Of course, this was for an England Census so might be slightly different for you with a US one. (1) Cottage Homes were a type of orphanage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
On 03/03/2013 21:09, Howlanddavisii wrote: > > Luggers: > > I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the insane per > the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling is the > superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for the census, is > he the head of the household or would I show the name of the facility as the > household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the Insane Household, 1880 U.S. > Census, etc.)? > Thank you in advance for your thoughts. > I have someone in a similar position in my family. In the Event Description I copied the information from the census, including the fact that he was stated to be Head of the household and that his occupation was Superintendent of Cottage Homes.(1) In the Event Notes I entered the members of the household, which included "... Officers, Servants and Inmate Children. In the "Id of Person" field in the Citation Details I put "household of Alfred Ernest Nosworthy" because I use the same Citation for all members of the household. Of course, this was for an England Census so might be slightly different for you with a US one. (1) Cottage Homes were a type of orphanage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
ChasH: Thank you for the information. Looks like Edward Cowles is the head of a very large (employees and inmates) and somewhat crazy family. Howland Davis -Original Message- From: Ch To: LegacyUserGroup Sent: Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question I don't know if this can answer your question but here is the 1880US Census Instructions to Enumerators, see at: https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1880.shtml "...The word family, for the purposes of the census, includespersons living alone, as previously described, equally with familiesin the ordinary sense of that term, and also all larger aggregationsof people having only the tie of a common roof and table. A hotel,with all its inmates, constitutes but one family within the meaningof this term. A hospital, a prison, an asylum is equally a familyfor the purposes of the census... ...In entering names in column 3, the name of the father, mother, or other ostensible head of the family (in the case of hotels, jails,etc., the landlord, jailer, etc.) is to be entered first of thefamily." ChasH On 3/3/2013 3:09 PM, Howlanddavisii wrote: Luggers: I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the insane per the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling is the superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for the census, is he the head of the household or would I show the name of the facility as the household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the Insane Household, 1880 U.S. Census, etc.)? Thank you in advance for your thoughts. Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
I don't know if this can answer your question but here is the 1880 US Census Instructions to Enumerators, see at: https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1880.shtml "...The word family, for the purposes of the census, includes persons living alone, as previously described, equally with families in the ordinary sense of that term, and also all larger aggregations of people having only the tie of a common roof and table. A hotel, with all its inmates, constitutes but one family within the meaning of this term. A hospital, a prison, an asylum is equally a family for the purposes of the census... ...In entering names in column 3, the name of the father, mother, or other ostensible head of the family (in the case of hotels, jails, etc., the landlord, jailer, etc.) is to be entered first of the family." ChasH On 3/3/2013 3:09 PM, Howlanddavisii wrote: > Luggers: > I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the > insane per the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling > is the superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for > the census, is he the head of the household or would I show the name > of the facility as the household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the > Insane Household, 1880 U.S. Census, etc.)? > Thank you in advance for your thoughts. > Howland Davis > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Census Head Of Household Question
Luggers: I have an ancestor who was a supervisor in an asylum for the insane per the 1880 census. The first person listed for the dwelling is the superintendent of the facility. When I write a citation for the census, is he the head of the household or would I show the name of the facility as the household name (i.e., McLean Asylum for the Insane Household, 1880 U.S. Census, etc.)? Thank you in advance for your thoughts. Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
