Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Gene, Other than FamilySearch.com, the other online records search site that currently offers pre-written citations is AmericanAncestors.org (New England Historic Genealogical Society). I just wish the extracted information for the indexes at Ancestry.com were much better. It becomes tiring finding major errors in extractions/indexes, writing and sending corrections to Ancestry, than hoping that Ancestry will make the changes. Unfortunately too many people seem to rely upon the index entries, without actually reviewing the record image. Denise From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Gene Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:52 AM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? Yes, Denise. I'm using the basic source tool. What FamilySearch does is exactly what I would like to see the other database services and sources of information use. Maybe some of them will someday? Thanks for your comments, though! Gene -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Yes, Denise. I'm using the basic source tool. What FamilySearch does is exactly what I would like to see the other database services and sources of information use. Maybe some of them will someday? Thanks for your comments, though! Gene === On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Denise Moss-Fritch < d.mossfri...@comcast.net> wrote: > Gene, > > > > Do you use Source Writer or the Basic Source tool? > > > > If you use Source Writer, the complexity of the various types of data > (vital records, newspapers, census, military, etc), along with the multiple > options available in that tool, would extremely difficult for the Legacy > software to analyze and write an accurate and complete source and citation. > Probably a complex artificial intelligence component would be needed. > > > > If you use the Basic Source tool, you can cut and paste a source and > citation created by an individual online service. FamilySearch already has > such pre-written source – citations for each document found, although most > source – citations are longer than Legacy will allow in the Source Detail > text box. None of the other services (MyHeritage, FindMyPast, or > GenealogyBank) offer pre-written source - citations for their found data. > > > > Not much help I’m afraid. However, you might consider using the Basic > Source tool for any data you obtain from FarmilySearch. You could than use > their pre-written source – citations. > > > > Denise > > > > *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On > Behalf Of *Gene Wheeler > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:23 PM > *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? > > > > Carrie, > > Yes, I'm well aware of that. I just thought it would be nice if, along > with the hint content, Legacy might provide the appropriate citation. > Probably asking for too much. > > Gene > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/ > mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Thank you Brian, but what I wrote is accurate. In the Basic Source, the Source Detail text box of the Detail Information tab, there is a limit. Many of the source - citations written for FamilySearch documents cannot be recorded unless shortened, such as : "United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XK-WR8 : 12 December 2014), Jesse J Longnecker, 1917-1918; citing Ottowa County no 1, Michigan, United States, NARA microfilm publication M1509 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 1,682,806. Instead, that source - citation from FamilySearch records only the following in the Source Detail text box because of the character limits: "United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XK-WR8 : 12 December 2014), Jesse J Longnecker, 1917-1918; citing Ottowa County no 1, Michigan, United States, N I reported this situation many months ago and the problem is already confirmed and on the list. Denise -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kelly Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:09 AM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? Denise, The source text in all sources Basic and SourceWriter are allowed to contain 1,000,000 characters. You may be confusing the "Source text" with the Source detail field which is limited to 255 Characters or the Publication Facts field which is limited to 248 characters. Long citations copied from FamilySearch into those shorter fields may not fit but any citation should fit in the Citation Text. You can see the limits of the fields in Legacy in the Help file. Open help and look for capacities. Brian Kelly On 10-May-17 12:57 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: > Gene, > > Do you use Source Writer or the Basic Source tool? > > snip > > If you use the Basic Source tool, you can cut and paste a source and > citation created by an individual online service. FamilySearch already > has such pre-written source – citations for each document found, > although most source – citations are longer than Legacy will allow in > the Source Detail text box. None of the other services (MyHeritage, > FindMyPast, or GenealogyBank) offer pre-written source - citations > for their found data. > > snip > > Denise > > *From:* LegacyUserGroup > [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] > *On Behalf Of *Gene Wheeler > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:23 PM > *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? > > Carrie, > > Yes, I'm well aware of that. I just thought it would be nice if, along > with the hint content, Legacy might provide the appropriate citation. > Probably asking for too much. > > Gene -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Denise, The source text in all sources Basic and SourceWriter are allowed to contain 1,000,000 characters. You may be confusing the "Source text" with the Source detail field which is limited to 255 Characters or the Publication Facts field which is limited to 248 characters. Long citations copied from FamilySearch into those shorter fields may not fit but any citation should fit in the Citation Text. You can see the limits of the fields in Legacy in the Help file. Open help and look for capacities. Brian Kelly On 10-May-17 12:57 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: Gene, Do you use Source Writer or the Basic Source tool? snip If you use the Basic Source tool, you can cut and paste a source and citation created by an individual online service. FamilySearch already has such pre-written source – citations for each document found, although most source – citations are longer than Legacy will allow in the Source Detail text box. None of the other services (MyHeritage, FindMyPast, or GenealogyBank) offer pre-written source - citations for their found data. snip Denise *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Wheeler *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:23 PM *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? Carrie, Yes, I'm well aware of that. I just thought it would be nice if, along with the hint content, Legacy might provide the appropriate citation. Probably asking for too much. Gene -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Gene, Do you use Source Writer or the Basic Source tool? If you use Source Writer, the complexity of the various types of data (vital records, newspapers, census, military, etc), along with the multiple options available in that tool, would extremely difficult for the Legacy software to analyze and write an accurate and complete source and citation. Probably a complex artificial intelligence component would be needed. If you use the Basic Source tool, you can cut and paste a source and citation created by an individual online service. FamilySearch already has such pre-written source – citations for each document found, although most source – citations are longer than Legacy will allow in the Source Detail text box. None of the other services (MyHeritage, FindMyPast, or GenealogyBank) offer pre-written source - citations for their found data. Not much help I’m afraid. However, you might consider using the Basic Source tool for any data you obtain from FarmilySearch. You could than use their pre-written source – citations. Denise From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Gene Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:23 PM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? Carrie, Yes, I'm well aware of that. I just thought it would be nice if, along with the hint content, Legacy might provide the appropriate citation. Probably asking for too much. Gene -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Carrie, Yes, I'm well aware of that. I just thought it would be nice if, along with the hint content, Legacy might provide the appropriate citation. Probably asking for too much. Gene On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Carrie Pillow <elkerlo...@outlook.com> wrote: > Legacy hints to the database, that hold the source, the source is what > should be cited, not the Hint. > > > > Hints are just a tool > > > > Carrie > > > > *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On > Behalf Of *Gene Wheeler > *Sent:* 09 May 2017 22:00 > *To:* Legacy Users Group <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? > > > > When a hint proves useful to my research, will Legacy 9 facilitate in any > fashion the creation of a source citation from that hint for easy reference > and use? > > Thanks, > > Gene > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/ > mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Gene said " will Legacy 9 facilitate in any fashion the creation of a source citation". So the understanding is there that the source should be cited, and the answer to the question is probably simply "no" On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Carrie Pillow <elkerlo...@outlook.com> wrote: > Legacy hints to the database, that hold the source, the source is what > should be cited, not the Hint. > > > > Hints are just a tool > > > > Carrie > > > > *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On > Behalf Of *Gene Wheeler > *Sent:* 09 May 2017 22:00 > *To:* Legacy Users Group <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? > > > > When a hint proves useful to my research, will Legacy 9 facilitate in any > fashion the creation of a source citation from that hint for easy reference > and use? > > Thanks, > > Gene > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/ > mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
Legacy hints to the database, that hold the source, the source is what should be cited, not the Hint. Hints are just a tool Carrie From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Gene Wheeler Sent: 09 May 2017 22:00 To: Legacy Users Group <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9? When a hint proves useful to my research, will Legacy 9 facilitate in any fashion the creation of a source citation from that hint for easy reference and use? Thanks, Gene -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
When a hint proves useful to my research, will Legacy 9 facilitate in any fashion the creation of a source citation from that hint for easy reference and use? Thanks, Gene -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
