Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Bruce Jones]

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:05 PM, mbstx  wrote:

> Gmail is notorious ... also for blocking messages entirely without telling
> you it has done so.  Marianne
>
> I've never had this problem...but then, how would I know?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[mbstx]

Gmail is notorious not only for putting things in your spam folder, but also 
for blocking messages entirely without telling you it has done so.  Marianne

-Original Message-
>From: Mike Fry 
>Sent: Aug 26, 2012 4:46 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --
>
>On 2012/08/26 20:28, Virginia Dunham wrote:
>
>> Mike...this may be why you find yourself being "Un-registered" every
>> once in awhile...have you had any problems with your gmail account?
>
>Nope! I've only been using the gmail account with this group since 23rd August.
>In any event, to be unregistered, someone has to have visited the web site and
>unsubscribed using my address.
>
>Suggestion to support: Send a confirming email when an address has been
>unsubbed. At least then I'd know.
>
>--
>Regards,
>Mike Fry
>Johannesburg (g)
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/08/26 20:28, Virginia Dunham wrote:

> Mike...this may be why you find yourself being "Un-registered" every
> once in awhile...have you had any problems with your gmail account?

Nope! I've only been using the gmail account with this group since 23rd August.
In any event, to be unregistered, someone has to have visited the web site and
unsubscribed using my address.

Suggestion to support: Send a confirming email when an address has been
unsubbed. At least then I'd know.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Ron Ferguson]

Good Heavens, Mike, you're a spammer LOL!

As you know I run the WUL Forum, and I have the same problem there with
users whose mail ends up in the Spam folder. Admittedly, this is a Yahoo
site and they state that they cannot resolves this at present. Beats me why
not, as they seem to apply it when a person posts 2 or 3 times in
succession; checking the "not spam" button makes no difference.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Virginia Dunham
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 7:28 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

I am also finding Mike Fry's  messages going to my gmail spam folder
with a warning attached...even after I have clicked on the "this is
not spam" selection...

Mike...this may be why you find yourself being "Un-registered" every
once in awhile...have you had any problems with your gmail account?

Virginia




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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Virginia Dunham]

I am also finding Mike Fry's  messages going to my gmail spam folder
with a warning attached...even after I have clicked on the "this is
not spam" selection...

Mike...this may be why you find yourself being "Un-registered" every
once in awhile...have you had any problems with your gmail account?

Virginia



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Jacob Psutka]

Richard,

Go to your spam folder in Gmail.  Open up the Legacy email considered
by Gmail as spam.  Push the "not spam" button near the top of page.

Jacob
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
 wrote:
> This message and one other from Mike (both sent 5 hours ago) went to
> my Gmail s+p+a+m folder. With "Be careful with this message. Many
> people marked similar messages as phishing scams, so this might
> contain unsafe content"
> Anyone else with gmail see it there? Know how to tell gmail they're wrong.
>
> --
> Richard Van Wasshnova
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
>> On 2012/08/25 02:01, runolf...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>  Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
>>> use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.
>>
>> My usage:-
>>
>> Abt   - when there is some, perhaps circumstantial evidence supporting the 
>> date
>> Circa - NEVER!
>> Cal   - similar to Abt, but usually in connection with MIs mentioning 'year 
>> of age'
>> Est   - Never.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mike Fry
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Larry Lee]

I found this msg there as well. Don't know why this one in particular.
Others always go in my regular inbox. Using Gmail.

Larry Lee

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Richard Van Wasshnova <
rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This message and one other from Mike (both sent 5 hours ago) went to
> my Gmail s+p+a+m folder. With "Be careful with this message. Many
> people marked similar messages as phishing scams, so this might
> contain unsafe content"
> Anyone else with gmail see it there? Know how to tell gmail they're wrong.
>
> --
> Richard Van Wasshnova
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
> > On 2012/08/25 02:01, runolf...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>  Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when
> to
> >> use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which
> one.
> >
> > My usage:-
> >
> > Abt   - when there is some, perhaps circumstantial evidence supporting
> the date
> > Circa - NEVER!
> > Cal   - similar to Abt, but usually in connection with MIs mentioning
> 'year of age'
> > Est   - Never.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Mike Fry
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Richard Van Wasshnova]

This message and one other from Mike (both sent 5 hours ago) went to
my Gmail s+p+a+m folder. With "Be careful with this message. Many
people marked similar messages as phishing scams, so this might
contain unsafe content"
Anyone else with gmail see it there? Know how to tell gmail they're wrong.

--
Richard Van Wasshnova

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
> On 2012/08/25 02:01, runolf...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>  Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
>> use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.
>
> My usage:-
>
> Abt   - when there is some, perhaps circumstantial evidence supporting the 
> date
> Circa - NEVER!
> Cal   - similar to Abt, but usually in connection with MIs mentioning 'year 
> of age'
> Est   - Never.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Runolfson]

Thanks everyone for all the help with dates. I will find a system that will
 work for me with all your wonderful suggestions.

Bill Runolfson


In a message dated 8/25/2012 1:52:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Mike,

Simply that it is not really  in common usage, I will not say
"non-standard"
because there isn't a  standard (thank goodness!). I also prefer to use the
format which the GRO  uses when one orders certificates. I emphasise, that
this is just my  preference, and I am in no way suggesting others should
adopt  it.

What I was trying to illustrate was that by giving so many different
options
for date prefixes it enables the users to apply them in ways which  have a
special meaning to themselves. When published, it doesn't matter  whether
the
reader/viewer knows this meaning because the meaning of the  prefix is the
same. I have - rarely - had an email asking why I use both on  my website,
but it does not seem to be something which they pick  up.

Another reason, although of no great importance, is having to change  the
"Q
Dates" to standard format if a GEDCOM is going to be used in a  situation
where it would be a valid date. Also, I was using my system when  Legacy
introduced the "Q Dates", and had to decide whether to amend all my
records,
a question of added value against effort, and effort won - you can  call
this
laziness :-)

Ron  Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From:  Mike Fry
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:13 AM
To:  LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

On 2012/08/25 03:05, Ron Ferguson wrote:

> As you may know,  the English BMD Government Record Office (GRO) indexes
> are
>  grouped into quarters, and Legacy does allow these to be recorded as Q1,

> Q2
> etc.. I do not like this method, and prefer to use the GRO  practice of
> using
> the last month of the quarter viz. March,  June etc.. By using "Cir"
> exclusively for these dates eg. "Cir Mar 1900"  I immediately know that I
> have
> a GRO reference for these, as  all other approximate dates are of the form
> "Abt Mar 1900".

As  you know, Legacy allows another form for entering the GRO dates. What
do
you
have against entering these dates as 'Mar Q 1900'? Achieves the same  thing
in my
view, but always willing to assess the point of view of  someone else.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg  (g)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Ron Ferguson]

Mike,

Simply that it is not really in common usage, I will not say "non-standard"
because there isn't a standard (thank goodness!). I also prefer to use the
format which the GRO uses when one orders certificates. I emphasise, that
this is just my preference, and I am in no way suggesting others should
adopt it.

What I was trying to illustrate was that by giving so many different options
for date prefixes it enables the users to apply them in ways which have a
special meaning to themselves. When published, it doesn't matter whether the
reader/viewer knows this meaning because the meaning of the prefix is the
same. I have - rarely - had an email asking why I use both on my website,
but it does not seem to be something which they pick up.

Another reason, although of no great importance, is having to change the "Q
Dates" to standard format if a GEDCOM is going to be used in a situation
where it would be a valid date. Also, I was using my system when Legacy
introduced the "Q Dates", and had to decide whether to amend all my records,
a question of added value against effort, and effort won - you can call this
laziness :-)

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

On 2012/08/25 03:05, Ron Ferguson wrote:

> As you may know, the English BMD Government Record Office (GRO) indexes
> are
> grouped into quarters, and Legacy does allow these to be recorded as Q1,
> Q2
> etc.. I do not like this method, and prefer to use the GRO practice of
> using
> the last month of the quarter viz. March, June etc.. By using "Cir"
> exclusively for these dates eg. "Cir Mar 1900" I immediately know that I
> have
> a GRO reference for these, as all other approximate dates are of the form
> "Abt Mar 1900".

As you know, Legacy allows another form for entering the GRO dates. What do
you
have against entering these dates as 'Mar Q 1900'? Achieves the same thing
in my
view, but always willing to assess the point of view of someone else.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/08/25 03:05, Ron Ferguson wrote:

> As you may know, the English BMD Government Record Office (GRO) indexes are
> grouped into quarters, and Legacy does allow these to be recorded as Q1, Q2
> etc.. I do not like this method, and prefer to use the GRO practice of using
> the last month of the quarter viz. March, June etc.. By using "Cir"
> exclusively for these dates eg. "Cir Mar 1900" I immediately know that I have
> a GRO reference for these, as all other approximate dates are of the form
> "Abt Mar 1900".

As you know, Legacy allows another form for entering the GRO dates. What do you
have against entering these dates as 'Mar Q 1900'? Achieves the same thing in my
view, but always willing to assess the point of view of someone else.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/08/25 02:01, runolf...@aol.com wrote:

>  Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
> use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

My usage:-

Abt   - when there is some, perhaps circumstantial evidence supporting the date
Circa - NEVER!
Cal   - similar to Abt, but usually in connection with MIs mentioning 'year of 
age'
Est   - Never.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I use abt when it is my guess and circa when a third party guesses (IGI, 
Familysearch etc.). No real rule, but my idea.




 From: "runolf...@aol.com" 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

    Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[RHS Consulting]

Circa is very much alive and well and used in the entire metric world.  It
is abbreviated ca. and is used all over Europe.  I use it consistently, even
in my US writings.  Abt. disturbs me as it is always capitalized just like
Btw. and Bef.  A lower case (abt - btw - bef) would serve Legacy better
other than at the beginning of a sentence.

Richard

- Original Message -
From: "Michele Lewis" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question --


Circa is an older term that most genealogists don't use anymore. Abt. is
much more common but whatever you like better is just fine.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: runolf...@aol.com [mailto:runolf...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Ron Ferguson]

Bill,

They mean exactly the same thing, just different languages. However, I find
it quite useful to have two abbreviations meaning exactly the same thing. As
you may know, the English BMD Government Record Office (GRO) indexes are
grouped into quarters, and Legacy does allow these to be recorded as Q1, Q2
etc.. I do not like this method, and prefer to use the GRO practice of using
the last month of the quarter viz. March, June etc.. By using "Cir"
exclusively for these dates eg. "Cir Mar 1900" I immediately know that I
have a GRO reference for these, as all other approximate dates are of the
form "Abt Mar 1900".

As I never publish my estimated dates (I want them blank), in my records
they are enclosed in privacy brackets. This serves two purposes, a) they are
not published and b) I know they are estimated - hence no need for "Est".

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: runolf...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R




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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Michele Lewis]

Circa is an older term that most genealogists don't use anymore. Abt. is much 
more common but whatever you like better is just fine.

Michele


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Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to use 
About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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[LegacyUG] Date question --

[Tony Rolfe]

I use Abt when there is some evidence to support that date.  E.g.  the
1861 census recorded him as being 7 years old.  I would say born Abt 1854.

I use Est when there is no evidence, but I want to put something in the
date field.  E.g.  A marriage record says that John's father was James.
  That's all I know about James, but I know John was born in 1867 so I
will guess that James was roughly 25 years old when John was born and
use Est 1845.  I tend to round Est dates to the most likely multiple of 5.

I think circa is a synonym for abt.  I don't use it.

I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any hard and fast rule about
this.  Just pick a method, be consistent and document it so others can
follow your reasoning.

Cheers

Tony



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[LegacyUG] Date question --

[Runolfson]

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

To correct a possible misunderstanding. People (me included) reccommend not 
putting Unknown into name fields. Since the program autofills empty fields on 
the screen, I prefer the printouts to have a blank area to eventually write in, 
when data is found, instead of crossing out unknown on the printout. Either way 
works just as well.
The other words, as Kathy found, are hardcoded in the program, to use 
'conventions'  as used by major organizations (LDS, DAR, SAR) .
It is all a choice, not a rule.
Rich in LA CA


--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Kathy Meyer  wrote:


From: Kathy Meyer 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date question
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 1:33 PM


that is helpful, thank you.


On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot  
wrote:

More about Dates..

I thought that the only permissible word in a Legacy date field was the word 
"unknown". Until I found this little gem in the Legacy Help File:

    "You can also enter the following words into any date field: dead, 
deceased, child, infant, stillborn and young."

Huh? That was news to me. I've often wondered about how should one handle a 
case of a young child whose birth date may have been known but the only info 
for a death date was something from a Family Bible that was akin to "died as an 
infant", etc. So I checked this out within Legacy on a test individual. I 
entered a normal birth date but for a death date I entered the word "infant". 
Surprisingly Legacy immediately changed it to "Infant" (with a capital letter 
I) which told me that Legacy accepted the word. I wondered how this would look 
in a report and here is what that would look like:

    "Surprise Arizona, son of WhereAmI Arizona and Mary Test, was born on 17 
Aug 2010 and died as an infant."

In other words, just having the word "Infant" in the date results in the 
wording that one would want to see in a report. I tested the other words under 
various circumstances and the report wording is quite acceptable.

Darn. Learn something new every day! Maybe it was just me that was ignorant of 
these little "date words" but I thought I'd still post the info just in case 
others might find it beneficial.


Brian in CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Kathy Meyer]

that is helpful, thank you.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot <
br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote:

> More about Dates..
>
> I thought that the only permissible word in a Legacy date field was the
> word "unknown". Until I found this little gem in the Legacy Help File:
>
> "You can also enter the following words into any date field: dead,
> deceased, child, infant, stillborn and young."
>
> Huh? That was news to me. I've often wondered about how should one handle a
> case of a young child whose birth date may have been known but the only info
> for a death date was something from a Family Bible that was akin to "died as
> an infant", etc. So I checked this out within Legacy on a test individual. I
> entered a normal birth date but for a death date I entered the word
> "infant". Surprisingly Legacy immediately changed it to "Infant" (with a
> capital letter I) which told me that Legacy accepted the word. I wondered
> how this would look in a report and here is what that would look like:
>
> "Surprise Arizona, son of WhereAmI Arizona and Mary Test, was born on
> 17 Aug 2010 and died as an infant."
>
> In other words, just having the word "Infant" in the date results in the
> wording that one would want to see in a report. I tested the other words
> under various circumstances and the report wording is quite acceptable.
>
> Darn. Learn something new every day! Maybe it was just me that was ignorant
> of these little "date words" but I thought I'd still post the info just in
> case others might find it beneficial.
>
>
> Brian in CA
> Still learning...
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

More about Dates..

I thought that the only permissible word in a Legacy date field was the word 
"unknown". Until I found this little gem in the Legacy Help File:

 "You can also enter the following words into any date field: dead, 
deceased, child, infant, stillborn and young."

Huh? That was news to me. I've often wondered about how should one handle a 
case of a young child whose birth date may have been known but the only info 
for a death date was something from a Family Bible that was akin to "died as an 
infant", etc. So I checked this out within Legacy on a test individual. I 
entered a normal birth date but for a death date I entered the word "infant". 
Surprisingly Legacy immediately changed it to "Infant" (with a capital letter 
I) which told me that Legacy accepted the word. I wondered how this would look 
in a report and here is what that would look like:

 "Surprise Arizona, son of WhereAmI Arizona and Mary Test, was born on 17 
Aug 2010 and died as an infant."

In other words, just having the word "Infant" in the date results in the 
wording that one would want to see in a report. I tested the other words under 
various circumstances and the report wording is quite acceptable.

Darn. Learn something new every day! Maybe it was just me that was ignorant of 
these little "date words" but I thought I'd still post the info just in case 
others might find it beneficial.


Brian in CA
Still learning...





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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Eliz Hanebury]

I have tons of those, and Legacy lets me do after (date) and before
(date) when all the dates are from a Will, being written and dated and
being probated.



Eliz

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:53 AM, BMcL Robinson  wrote:
> HI Ron
>
> What about "after 21 Feb 1942" if you can't commit to an end date?
>
> Cheers, Brett
> BMcL Robinson, Hamilton 3240, New Zealand
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ronald E Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:34 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
>
> I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use the
> date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
> shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not 'Mark
> as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ron H
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I have many potential problems in my database. They include a priest stating a 
birth on Feb 30 (I forgot year). Once chosen, the PP 'accepts' the error, which 
is not mine, but a long dead person's. There seems to be an attitude that PP 
are always bad. If you want to use 'present', go ahead.
Using it can make reports look good, and family members should understand it.
Rich in LA CA


On Tue, 8/17/10, Ronald E Howell  wrote:

> From: Ronald E Howell 
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:50 AM
> Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson,
>
> Knowing that the problem was not with the date of
> '02/21/1942', but with the word 'present' or even 'current'
> (I had tested both and gotten the same BAD.  I have
> opted for using the word 'From' in front of my date(s) with
> no '-' after that date.  While it is not what I desire,
> it does eliminate the individuals, with such events, from
> the 'Potential Problems Report'.
>
> Again Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:59 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
> Maybe a little more explanation would be in order of why I
> said that "02/21/1942" has nothing wrong with it. Taken in
> context, the OP stated Legacy was marking "02/21/1942 -
> Present" as BAD. I stated that it was the word "Present"
> that caused Legacy to declare it BAD and not the entry of
> the date as "02/21/1942".
>
> Specifically, if a user were to enter 02/21/1942 all by
> itself, it would be accepted by Legacy and not marked as
> BAD. Assuming that the Legacy date format is set to
> dd-mmm-, you should expect to see Legacy immediately
> convert it so that it displays as "21 Feb 1942". But almost
> all genealogists would consider it a bad habit to enter
> dates in that format and all should try to think in terms of
> the standard format of day-month-year. Think of it as
> smallest-middle-biggest. The confusing American practice of
> 02/21/1942 is middle-smallest-largest. If you ran across an
> American date entry of 02/04/1942, it probably means 04 Feb
> 1942 but in the rest of the world, it would work out to 02
> Apr 1942. Avoid the confusion and get used to entering dates
> as dd-mmm-. As "Dad" stated in his message, it is the
> acceptable and standard method of entering dates.
>
>
> Brian in CA
> ---
> (Post converted from HTML to Plain Text)
>
>
> From: Richard and Evita Piepho [mailto:erpie...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:40 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
> Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in
> genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 ... anyone using any other method
> confuses the issue and we stress this is the only way for
> all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand
> your discussion Dad
>
> > From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
> >
> > The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word
> "Present" as a valid date. I believe that the only word the
> Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the word "unknown" (excluding
> all prefixes). When you stop and think about, you'll realize
> why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later
> somebody is reading a report generated by your file? The
> word PRESENT at that time may no longer be truthful thus
> Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful
> thing you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and
> Residence is to enter what you really know for sure and that
> is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 02/21/1942 to 08/2010".
> Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will remain
> valid in perpetuity.
> >
> > More info about entering date ranges can be found in
> the HELP file. Just enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword
> search.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion
> of your date. Different users may be seeing this displayed
> differently on their family file such as with dashes or
> spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the
> DATES tab of Customize

RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Ronald E Howell]

Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson,

Knowing that the problem was not with the date of '02/21/1942', but with the 
word 'present' or even 'current' (I had tested both and gotten the same BAD.  I 
have opted for using the word 'From' in front of my date(s) with no '-' after 
that date.  While it is not what I desire, it does eliminate the individuals, 
with such events, from the 'Potential Problems Report'.

Again Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson

-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

Maybe a little more explanation would be in order of why I said that 
"02/21/1942" has nothing wrong with it. Taken in context, the OP stated Legacy 
was marking "02/21/1942 - Present" as BAD. I stated that it was the word 
"Present" that caused Legacy to declare it BAD and not the entry of the date as 
"02/21/1942".

Specifically, if a user were to enter 02/21/1942 all by itself, it would be 
accepted by Legacy and not marked as BAD. Assuming that the Legacy date format 
is set to dd-mmm-, you should expect to see Legacy immediately convert it 
so that it displays as "21 Feb 1942". But almost all genealogists would 
consider it a bad habit to enter dates in that format and all should try to 
think in terms of the standard format of day-month-year. Think of it as 
smallest-middle-biggest. The confusing American practice of 02/21/1942 is 
middle-smallest-largest. If you ran across an American date entry of 
02/04/1942, it probably means 04 Feb 1942 but in the rest of the world, it 
would work out to 02 Apr 1942. Avoid the confusion and get used to entering 
dates as dd-mmm-. As "Dad" stated in his message, it is the acceptable and 
standard method of entering dates.


Brian in CA
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From: Richard and Evita Piepho [mailto:erpie...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 
... anyone using any other method confuses the issue and we stress this is the 
only way for all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand your 
discussion Dad

> From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
>
> The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word "Present" as a valid 
> date. I believe that the only word the Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the 
> word "unknown" (excluding all prefixes). When you stop and think about, 
> you'll realize why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the 
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later somebody is reading a 
> report generated by your file? The word PRESENT at that time may no longer be 
> truthful thus Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful thing 
> you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and Residence is to enter 
> what you really know for sure and that is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 
> 02/21/1942 to 08/2010". Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will 
> remain valid in perpetuity.
>
> More info about entering date ranges can be found in the HELP file. Just 
> enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword search.
>
> There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion of your date. Different 
> users may be seeing this displayed differently on their family file such as 
> with dashes or spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of 
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the DATES tab of 
> Customize Settings. You can avoid discovering these bad dates after-the-fact 
> by turning on Date Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
> >
> > I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use
> > the
> > date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'. The Potential Problems Report
> > shows that the date is 'bad'. Is there a way to change the date (not
> > 'Mark
> > as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Ron H
> >
>
>
>
>
> Legacy User Group guidelines:
>
> http

RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

Maybe a little more explanation would be in order of why I said that 
"02/21/1942" has nothing wrong with it. Taken in context, the OP stated Legacy 
was marking "02/21/1942 - Present" as BAD. I stated that it was the word 
"Present" that caused Legacy to declare it BAD and not the entry of the date as 
"02/21/1942".

Specifically, if a user were to enter 02/21/1942 all by itself, it would be 
accepted by Legacy and not marked as BAD. Assuming that the Legacy date format 
is set to dd-mmm-, you should expect to see Legacy immediately convert it 
so that it displays as "21 Feb 1942". But almost all genealogists would 
consider it a bad habit to enter dates in that format and all should try to 
think in terms of the standard format of day-month-year. Think of it as 
smallest-middle-biggest. The confusing American practice of 02/21/1942 is 
middle-smallest-largest. If you ran across an American date entry of 
02/04/1942, it probably means 04 Feb 1942 but in the rest of the world, it 
would work out to 02 Apr 1942. Avoid the confusion and get used to entering 
dates as dd-mmm-. As "Dad" stated in his message, it is the acceptable and 
standard method of entering dates.


Brian in CA
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From: Richard and Evita Piepho [mailto:erpie...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 
... anyone using any other method confuses the issue and we stress this is the 
only way for all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand your 
discussion Dad

> From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
>
> The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word "Present" as a valid 
> date. I believe that the only word the Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the 
> word "unknown" (excluding all prefixes). When you stop and think about, 
> you'll realize why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the 
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later somebody is reading a 
> report generated by your file? The word PRESENT at that time may no longer be 
> truthful thus Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful thing 
> you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and Residence is to enter 
> what you really know for sure and that is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 
> 02/21/1942 to 08/2010". Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will 
> remain valid in perpetuity.
>
> More info about entering date ranges can be found in the HELP file. Just 
> enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword search.
>
> There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion of your date. Different 
> users may be seeing this displayed differently on their family file such as 
> with dashes or spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of 
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the DATES tab of 
> Customize Settings. You can avoid discovering these bad dates after-the-fact 
> by turning on Date Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
> >
> > I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use
> > the
> > date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'. The Potential Problems Report
> > shows that the date is 'bad'. Is there a way to change the date (not
> > 'Mark
> > as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Ron H
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[BMcL Robinson]

HI Ron

What about "after 21 Feb 1942" if you can't commit to an end date?

Cheers, Brett
BMcL Robinson, Hamilton 3240, New Zealand

- Original Message -
From: "Ronald E Howell" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:34 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question


I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use the
date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not 'Mark
as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?

Thanks in advance

Ron H





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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Richard and Evita Piepho]

Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 
... anyone using any other method confuses the issue and we stress this is the 
only way for all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand your 
discussion Dad

> From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
>
> The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word "Present" as a valid 
> date. I believe that the only word the Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the 
> word "unknown" (excluding all prefixes). When you stop and think about, 
> you'll realize why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the 
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later somebody is reading a 
> report generated by your file? The word PRESENT at that time may no longer be 
> truthful thus Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful thing 
> you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and Residence is to enter 
> what you really know for sure and that is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 
> 02/21/1942 to 08/2010". Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will 
> remain valid in perpetuity.
>
> More info about entering date ranges can be found in the HELP file. Just 
> enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword search.
>
> There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion of your date. Different 
> users may be seeing this displayed differently on their family file such as 
> with dashes or spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of 
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the DATES tab of 
> Customize Settings. You can avoid discovering these bad dates after-the-fact 
> by turning on Date Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
> >
> > I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use
> > the
> > date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
> > shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not
> > 'Mark
> > as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Ron H
> >
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word "Present" as a valid 
date. I believe that the only word the Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the word 
"unknown" (excluding all prefixes). When you stop and think about, you'll 
realize why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the record today 
with the word PRESENT and 10 years later somebody is reading a report generated 
by your file? The word PRESENT at that time may no longer be truthful thus 
Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful thing you can do in 
your circumstance such as Occupation and Residence is to enter what you really 
know for sure and that is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 02/21/1942 to 
08/2010". Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will remain valid in 
perpetuity.

More info about entering date ranges can be found in the HELP file. Just enter 
"Dates, Ranges" in the keyword search.

There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion of your date. Different 
users may be seeing this displayed differently on their family file such as 
with dashes or spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of 
number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the DATES tab of Customize 
Settings. You can avoid discovering these bad dates after-the-fact by turning 
on Date Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.




> -Original Message-
> From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
> I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use
> the
> date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
> shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not
> 'Mark
> as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ron H
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Jenny M Benson]

On 16/08/2010 14:34, Ronald E Howell wrote:
> I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use the
> date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
> shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not 'Mark
> as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?

I can't be *sure* this is the right way to do it, but I have just tried
entering a date as "from 21 February 1942 - date" and Legacy had no
objection to that.

I don't know which country you are from (USA?), but I am presuming you are
family with the phrase "... to date" meaning "... to the present."  (I
know some Engliah phraseology isn't common across the British, American
and Australian versions of the language.)

You will note I did not enter my date in the mm/dd/ format which you
used.  I know putting month before day is common in the US but it is not
universal and that format can cause confusion where the dd part is a
number less than 13.  I'm not trying to tell you you should change your
method, but just pointing this out by way of a Public Service
Announcement!


--
Jenny M Benson




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[LegacyUG] Date question

[Ronald E Howell]

I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use the
date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not 'Mark
as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?

Thanks in advance

Ron H




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