Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
You can also block it from updating whether metered or not by going to Services and Extended then turning it off. I use it all the time because many Windows 10 updates slow my computer down after an update then I have to restore my system. The only thing with Services is it sometimes turns itself back on so if you want it to be permanent, you have to keep an eye on it. Before Windows 10, I used a small program to block it from installing without me knowing. I wish I could go back to 8.1, but with new computers they are designed to not work if I did because of lack of drivers for 8.1. Bill Boswell From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 6:17 PM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available Yes, Windows Update settings are quite adapatabel to the way people work. And the Creators Update actually asks if you want it. I opted to install it about a week before the official release date. Happy with it. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Gail Vall Sent: Sunday, 16 April 2017 5:41 AM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available Because my online time is limited, I have mine set so that it will only download on my direction. It was a setting that allowed me to make my internet connection metered so that it won't be accessed without my permission. You will see it under the update section of settings. Gail On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com <mailto:hot.rod.w...@gmail.com> > wrote: I was tickled to see the programmers right on top of the update to fix the incompatibility. I *do not* like the change in Windows 10 to automatically update without warning! I like to be notified that an update is available and do the update when it's convenient for me. Oh well Here's hoping I don't have any problems with my little mouse. Besides having pink flamingos on it , it's smaller than a full size mouse and bigger than a laptop mouse, so it's the perfect fit for my small hand! S. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Brian Lightfoot <br...@the-lightfoots.com <mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com> > wrote: https://forums.logitech.com/s/question/0D5316m6ZfhCAE/logitech-options-not-working-with-windows-10-creators-update and https://www.askwoody.com/2017/ongoing-list-of-bugs-in-win10-creators-update/ I haven’t seen Legacy listed anywhere in a list of bugs so it’s nice to see that they got any problems resolved quickly. For those running Win10, you should already be painfully aware that updates are done automatically. In other words, it’s coming your way whether you want it or not. Here is Microsoft’s site about Creator: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features Brian in CA -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
That's good it asked. Win10 was supposed to ask too but one day hubby was working on his Win7 computer and all of a sudden, the Win10 update started! So I don't trust it to always ask when they say they're going to! S. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Ian Thomaswrote: > Yes, Windows Update settings are quite adapatabel to the way people work. > > And the Creators Update actually asks if you want it. I opted to install > it about a week before the official release date. Happy with it. > > > > Ian Thomas > > Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia > > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
Yes there is a Legacy update available. Sorry for using technical language. Re Windows 10 - I've never had Windows 10 restart without warning. That's because I checked the settings. I simply set Active Hours. That way I got a notification message that an update was ready. Creators Update comes with warning. One day I got a screen asking about a variety of settings. The next another saying it was ready to install and did I want to install now or set a later time/day. Active Hours can be set for longer periods of time in the Creators Update. Those who have been relying on Metered Connection to block the download of updates will need to think again. Microsoft plan to ignore that for certain updates I understand. If you have versions of Windows 10 other than Home, there are apparently other settings in Creators Update to delay the update process. I wonder how many people are encountering problems with Creators Update and drivers because they have taken the option to install now rather than wait until it was offered. It's being rolled out over weeks or months. Cathy billoates--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote: If a new Legacy build is available, should there be an update to my PC-based version of Legacy 8.0 Deluxe? Most of this discussion has concerned updates to Windows (which i use), but if there's a new Legacy build, don't we need to download that? Maybe I don't understand what a "build" is. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
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Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
Yes, Windows Update settings are quite adapatabel to the way people work. And the Creators Update actually asks if you want it. I opted to install it about a week before the official release date. Happy with it. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Gail Vall Sent: Sunday, 16 April 2017 5:41 AM To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available Because my online time is limited, I have mine set so that it will only download on my direction. It was a setting that allowed me to make my internet connection metered so that it won't be accessed without my permission. You will see it under the update section of settings. Gail On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com<mailto:hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>> wrote: I was tickled to see the programmers right on top of the update to fix the incompatibility. I *do not* like the change in Windows 10 to automatically update without warning! I like to be notified that an update is available and do the update when it's convenient for me. Oh well Here's hoping I don't have any problems with my little mouse. Besides having pink flamingos on it , it's smaller than a full size mouse and bigger than a laptop mouse, so it's the perfect fit for my small hand! S. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Brian Lightfoot <br...@the-lightfoots.com<mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com>> wrote: https://forums.logitech.com/s/question/0D5316m6ZfhCAE/logitech-options-not-working-with-windows-10-creators-update and https://www.askwoody.com/2017/ongoing-list-of-bugs-in-win10-creators-update/ I haven’t seen Legacy listed anywhere in a list of bugs so it’s nice to see that they got any problems resolved quickly. For those running Win10, you should already be painfully aware that updates are done automatically. In other words, it’s coming your way whether you want it or not. Here is Microsoft’s site about Creator: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features Brian in CA -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
Because my online time is limited, I have mine set so that it will only download on my direction. It was a setting that allowed me to make my internet connection metered so that it won't be accessed without my permission. You will see it under the update section of settings. Gail On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Sherrywrote: > I was tickled to see the programmers right on top of the update to fix the > incompatibility. > > I *do not* like the change in Windows 10 to automatically update without > warning! I like to be notified that an update is available and do the > update when it's convenient for me. Oh well > > Here's hoping I don't have any problems with my little mouse. Besides > having pink flamingos on it , it's smaller than a full size mouse and > bigger than a laptop mouse, so it's the perfect fit for my small hand! > > S. > > > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Brian Lightfoot < > br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote: > >> https://forums.logitech.com/s/question/0D5316m6ZfhCAE/lo >> gitech-options-not-working-with-windows-10-creators-update >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> https://www.askwoody.com/2017/ongoing-list-of-bugs-in-win10- >> creators-update/ >> >> >> >> I haven’t seen Legacy listed anywhere in a list of bugs so it’s nice to >> see that they got any problems resolved quickly. >> >> >> >> For those running Win10, you should already be painfully aware that >> updates are done automatically. In other words, it’s coming your way >> whether you want it or not. Here is Microsoft’s site about Creator: >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features >> >> >> >> >> >> Brian in CA >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/ > mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
I was tickled to see the programmers right on top of the update to fix the incompatibility. I *do not* like the change in Windows 10 to automatically update without warning! I like to be notified that an update is available and do the update when it's convenient for me. Oh well Here's hoping I don't have any problems with my little mouse. Besides having pink flamingos on it , it's smaller than a full size mouse and bigger than a laptop mouse, so it's the perfect fit for my small hand! S. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Brian Lightfootwrote: > https://forums.logitech.com/s/question/0D5316m6ZfhCAE/ > logitech-options-not-working-with-windows-10-creators-update > > > > and > > > > https://www.askwoody.com/2017/ongoing-list-of-bugs-in-win10- > creators-update/ > > > > I haven’t seen Legacy listed anywhere in a list of bugs so it’s nice to > see that they got any problems resolved quickly. > > > > For those running Win10, you should already be painfully aware that > updates are done automatically. In other words, it’s coming your way > whether you want it or not. Here is Microsoft’s site about Creator: > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features > > > > > > Brian in CA > > > > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
https://forums.logitech.com/s/question/0D5316m6ZfhCAE/logitech-options-not-working-with-windows-10-creators-update and https://www.askwoody.com/2017/ongoing-list-of-bugs-in-win10-creators-update/ I haven’t seen Legacy listed anywhere in a list of bugs so it’s nice to see that they got any problems resolved quickly. For those running Win10, you should already be painfully aware that updates are done automatically. In other words, it’s coming your way whether you want it or not. Here is Microsoft’s site about Creator: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features Brian in CA From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Sherry Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:37 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available I don't want to hear that! I *love* my Logitech mouse Plus I have an Azio keyboard. MS (Win10) can't identify either one in the Mouse and Keyboard Center. I'm glad Legacy's programmers were able to get the problems with Creators and Legacy resolved quickly. Sherry On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Brian Lightfoot <br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote: I'm assuming that you mean a new build of Legacy, not a new(er) build of Creator. And for what it's worth, the Creator Update also broke a lot of hardware drivers, especially Logitech mouse drivers. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update broke the pop-up menus in Legacy. A new build has been released that fixes them. Cathy Pinner beta tester -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
I have different Logitech devices, some going back about 8 years. They all work. I run windows 10 on two different computers. Both systems have all software/drivers upgraded to the latest level. > On Apr 15, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't want to hear that! I *love* my Logitech mouse Plus I have an > Azio keyboard. MS (Win10) can't identify either one in the Mouse and Keyboard > Center. > > I'm glad Legacy's programmers were able to get the problems with Creators and > Legacy resolved quickly. > > Sherry > > > >> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Brian Lightfoot <br...@the-lightfoots.com> >> wrote: >> I'm assuming that you mean a new build of Legacy, not a new(er) build of >> Creator. >> >> And for what it's worth, the Creator Update also broke a lot of hardware >> drivers, especially Logitech mouse drivers. >> >> >> Brian in CA >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On >> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner >> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:06 AM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available >> >> Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update broke >> the pop-up menus in Legacy. >> >> A new build has been released that fixes them. >> >> Cathy Pinner >> beta tester > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
I don't want to hear that! I *love* my Logitech mouse Plus I have an Azio keyboard. MS (Win10) can't identify either one in the Mouse and Keyboard Center. I'm glad Legacy's programmers were able to get the problems with Creators and Legacy resolved quickly. Sherry On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Brian Lightfoot <br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote: > I'm assuming that you mean a new build of Legacy, not a new(er) build of > Creator. > > And for what it's worth, the Creator Update also broke a lot of hardware > drivers, especially Logitech mouse drivers. > > > Brian in CA > > > -Original Message- > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On > Behalf Of Cathy Pinner > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:06 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available > > Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update broke > the pop-up menus in Legacy. > > A new build has been released that fixes them. > > Cathy Pinner > beta tester > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
I'm assuming that you mean a new build of Legacy, not a new(er) build of Creator. And for what it's worth, the Creator Update also broke a lot of hardware drivers, especially Logitech mouse drivers. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update broke the pop-up menus in Legacy. A new build has been released that fixes them. Cathy Pinner beta tester -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
,.. major update , coming soon, retrievable alreády, 2017-04-15 14:00 GMT+03:00 Otso Havu <otso.h...@gmail.com>: > win ´10 > > 2017-04-15 13:48 GMT+03:00 <dec...@eircom.net>: > >> What is Windows 10 creators update? Declan Chalmers >> >> -Original Message- From: Cathy Pinner >> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:05 AM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available >> >> >> Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update >> broke the pop-up menus in Legacy. >> >> A new build has been released that fixes them. >> >> Cathy Pinner >> beta tester >> >> -- >> >> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com >> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >> Archives at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> -- >> >> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com >> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >> Archives at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> > > > > -- > Otso Havu +358-9-551952 <+358%209%20551952> +358-9-551752 > <+358%209%20551752> > +358 50 5534170 <+358%2050%205534170> +358 50 408 2248 > <+358%2050%204082248> > otso.havu..gmail.com > Sulkapolku 6 B 13 > FI-00370 Helsinki > Finland > skype: otso.havu > -- Otso Havu +358-9-551952 +358-9-551752 +358 50 5534170 +358 50 408 2248 otso.havu..gmail.com Sulkapolku 6 B 13 FI-00370 Helsinki Finland skype: otso.havu -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
win ´10 2017-04-15 13:48 GMT+03:00 <dec...@eircom.net>: > What is Windows 10 creators update? Declan Chalmers > > -Original Message- From: Cathy Pinner > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:05 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available > > > Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update > broke the pop-up menus in Legacy. > > A new build has been released that fixes them. > > Cathy Pinner > beta tester > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman > /listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman > /listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- Otso Havu +358-9-551952 +358-9-551752 +358 50 5534170 +358 50 408 2248 otso.havu..gmail.com Sulkapolku 6 B 13 FI-00370 Helsinki Finland skype: otso.havu -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
What is Windows 10 creators update? Declan Chalmers -Original Message- From: Cathy Pinner Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update broke the pop-up menus in Legacy. A new build has been released that fixes them. Cathy Pinner beta tester -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] New Legacy Build Available
Some of you will be all too aware that the Windows 10 Creators Update broke the pop-up menus in Legacy. A new build has been released that fixes them. Cathy Pinner beta tester -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/