Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup 
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Thanks Linda. I've been looking everywhere for a death record, but no luck. My 
g-grandmother was a sister of Peter Schommer (1826-1898). Even though I have no 
hard proof, I think Petri 1799 - ? was their father. I do have hard proof of 
some of Peter's (b. 1826) siblings, and they seem to fit perfectly. But the 
hard proof for their father is not coming easy. They were German, and the whole 
family seems to have been born in the Prussian area of Saarland.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:52 PM, Linda Greethurst <llg...@gmail.com> 
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 Ed,My initial thought is that these are two different children. I would look 
for a death record of the first one (b1799).But even if you don't find a death, 
I would still keep them as 2 separate entities until you can prove differently. 
 Not sure what nationaliy you are working with but Peter (Petri) and Joseph 
(Josephus) were both Saints names, so if they both survived childhood one might 
be called Petri and the other Joseph.  Or they could have been named after 
grandfathers who had similar names.  Just my 2cents worth.Linda
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they 
were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were 
actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be 
found in genealogy.
But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even 
though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know 
I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either.  Thanks again.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin <pph...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people 
I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
Pat
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> wrote:

  On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
  
  Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. 
My gut feeling is that  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. 
This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 
1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. 
Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would 
appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 
  
  
 Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not 
uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) 
name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance of two 
brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving 
childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to 
be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm 
otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research.
 -- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Linda Greethurst 
Ed,
My initial thought is that these are two different children. I would look
for a death record of the first one (b1799).
But even if you don't find a death, I would still keep them as 2 separate
entities until you can prove differently.  Not sure what nationaliy you are
working with but Peter (Petri) and Joseph (Josephus) were both Saints
names, so if they both survived childhood one might be called Petri and the
other Joseph.  Or they could have been named after grandfathers who had
similar names.  Just my 2cents worth.
Linda

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> Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that
> they were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they
> were actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this
> will be found in genealogy.
>
> But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that.
> Even though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy,
> I know I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either. [image: *:-$ don't
> tell anyone shh!] Thanks again.
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin <pph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate
> people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
>
> Pat
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
> On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
> Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from
> familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct
> ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one
> name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus
> Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by
> the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the
> source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the
> other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they
> are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of
> my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I
> found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would
> you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them
> yet.
>
>
> Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not
> uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a
> similar) name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance
> of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them
> surviving childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously
> believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such
> until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own
> research.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup 
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Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they 
were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were 
actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be 
found in genealogy.
But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even 
though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know 
I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either.  Thanks again.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
 

 Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people 
I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
Pat
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

  On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
  
  Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. 
My gut feeling is that  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. 
This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 
1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. 
Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would 
appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 
  
  
 Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not 
uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) 
name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance of two 
brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving 
childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to 
be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm 
otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Pat Hickin 
Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate
people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.

Pat

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson 
wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
> Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from
> familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct
> ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one
> name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus
> Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by
> the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the
> source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the
> other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they
> are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of
> my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I
> found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would
> you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them
> yet.
>
>
> Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not
> uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a
> similar) name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance
> of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them
> surviving childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously
> believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such
> until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own
> research.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Pat Hickin 
And of course list the alternate name.  I'd also get in touch with the
contributor and see if s/he has an explanation.  And I'd explain in full in
the General Notes and perhaps include images of the entries in the
citations.

Pat

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:47 PM, R G Strong-genes <rgstrongge...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ed,
> I would make one the birth entry (the one you think is more accurate) and
> the other as an Alt Birth event, citing both. I would first go to
> familysearch.org and see if you can find the reference to both of those
> sources and most of the time there is a link to each of the original batch
> files for those sources. You can then check and see what the difference is
> between the two. I have no idea what those initials represent.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup
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> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> Cc: Ed Ladendorf
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
>
>
> You stated:
> Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from
> familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct
> ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one
> name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus
> Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by
> the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the
> source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the
> other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they
> are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of
> my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I
> found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would
> you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them
> yet.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Jenny M Benson 

  
  
On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf
  wrote:


  
Although I have
  to question the source, I do have sources from
  familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost
  certainly a direct ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These
  are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri Schommer
  1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name
  similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the
  same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in
  citing the source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is
  2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that
  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This
  whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct
  ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth.
  I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a
  database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas,
  since I have not entered them yet.



  

Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It
is not uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the
same (or a similar) name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even
have one instance of two brothers being named Edward John and John
Edward, both of them surviving childhood.  The patron who submitted
these records obviously believed them to be 2 different children and
I would treat them as such until I could confirm otherwise, but the
priority would be to do my own research.
-- 
Jenny M Benson
  


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread R G Strong-genes 

Ed,
I would make one the birth entry (the one you think is more accurate) and 
the other as an Alt Birth event, citing both. I would first go to 
familysearch.org and see if you can find the reference to both of those 
sources and most of the time there is a link to each of the original batch 
files for those sources. You can then check and see what the difference is 
between the two. I have no idea what those initials represent.



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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on entries


You stated:
Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 
2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they are the 
same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my 
direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I 
found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you 
handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 



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[LegacyUG] Question on entries

2016-04-12 Thread Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup 
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Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from familysearch.org 
for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct ancestor of mine. 
Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri 
Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name 
similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same contributor, on 
the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI index) is that part 
of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is 
that one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This whole family is 
new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only 
secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering 
this in a database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since 
I have not entered them yet.
Thanks,Ed
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