Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Thx Brian for that thump on the forehead - I did know that. You made me re-read it, and then I learned a bit more! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 8:38:11 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level If I am reading this thread correctly the comments you refer to are comments on a source or source detail. Those will only appear, if they are set to be included in reports, with the source citation which can be included: As a footnote on the page As a citation at the end of a Generation (if the report is organized that way), or As a citation at the end of the report. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! On 18/07/2011 6:06 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx. --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
If I am reading this thread correctly the comments you refer to are comments on a source or source detail. Those will only appear, if they are set to be included in reports, with the source citation which can be included: As a footnote on the page As a citation at the end of a Generation (if the report is organized that way), or As a citation at the end of the report. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! On 18/07/2011 6:06 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx. --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Brett McL Robinson b...@vodafone.co.nz To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:01:26 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi Kirsten I have just tested a Gedcom basic format and the comments I made in the source citation were included in the export. Did you ensure that this item was ticked for attachment to the citation or ticked to include at the prompt during the export? Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand On 27/06/2011 5:04 p.m., Kirsten Bowman wrote: Brett: I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a GEDCOM--which I use for posting online. I don't know if that's important to you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: Luis Salreta Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi Luis I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one fact differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers for the surety level as a rough indication. Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Even with a number indicating your personal surety level on the relationship, the question remains where to put your reasoning notes, right? When relationship is unproven, I will enter the person(s) and enter my reasoning in Research Notes, which do appear on reports, attaching sources to that field. Excellent original question and discussion--thanks all! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 12:25:45 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly Thanks for ll the opinions. I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place. The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case). I have lots of cases where the missing link is to the grandparents that only show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons. I still think it would be more neat with a relationship surety level. All the solutions are a bit klundge so I think the program needs to address this. You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the relationship line dependent of the surety level... Very friendly is'nt it? :-) L.Salreta Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi Kirsten I have just tested a Gedcom basic format and the comments I made in the source citation were included in the export. Did you ensure that this item was ticked for attachment to the citation or ticked to include at the prompt during the export? Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand On 27/06/2011 5:04 p.m., Kirsten Bowman wrote: Brett: I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a GEDCOM--which I use for posting online. I don't know if that's important to you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: Luis Salreta Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi Luis I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one fact differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers for the surety level as a rough indication. Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Thank you all for the various solutions proposed. I still believe that this needs a real program solution. All the solutions are, as we say in Portugal, "desenrascanços" (see in google) or "MacGyverism" (we use what we have at hand to resolve the problem) Thanks L.Salreta Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
I missed the original post because it was not plain text. But this topic interests me as an analyst/programmer so I thought I would add my $0.02... *** The OP makes a good point. If you look at the GENTECH Genealogical Data Model (GDM)... http://members.ngsgenealogy.org/GENTECH_Data_Model/Diagram_GENTECH_Data_Model_1.0.pdf ...the confidence/surety goes with the assertion, not the citation. Think about it. A citation (the link between an assertion and a source) is a statement like... Assertion A came from Source B Does it make sense to assign a surety level to that statement? Are you questioning the fact that assertion A came from source B? No. What you are questioning is the assertion itself. Therefore the surety/confidence belongs with said assertion. Luis' example is a little complicated because it actually consists of 3 assertions... A1: Jake is the son of John Salreta and Maryann (list sources) A2: Jake is the son of John Salreta and Marylu (other sources) A3: These Jakes are the same person (source is Luis - this is his conclusion - notice the GDM provides a field for Rationale) A1 and A2 may have very high surety levels. A3 may be somewhat lower as Luis is not 100% positive of his conclusion. Interesting stuff! -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt wrote: Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we dont know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what Im lacking is a surety level for the relationships, and maybe one comment field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. Im not referring to the documents surety level, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). Ive already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What Im asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
OK let’s see if I can make myself clear Let's use a very simple military example: I have several source of intelligence that gives me some information. I collect the information about related subjects and build one conclusion. This conclusion is weighted based on the credibility of the sources and of the information. So I have 3 weights/probabilities - confidence in the source, confidence in the information given by the source and confidence in the conclusion I made. Assuming that the first two are mixed in the present source surety level what I need/want is a surety level for my conclusion (a measure for my “educated” guess!). And the conclusion is basically the definition of a relationship between 2 persons. Of course each user gives a different subjective value to the levels 1 to 5 (and it differs with time) but still and don't need to worry with levels 4 or 5 and levels 3 or less must be researched. And I agree that is always necessary an explanation of the “educated” guess. I don’t know in other countries what sources of information they have but in Portugal, except for the “blue blood” families, the main (and almost only) source are the Church records, so I can’t wait to obtain more information from other sources, to put people in the family tree. L.Salreta -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain.For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a "Best Fit" Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are "klunges". What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) -- Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Luis, Your English is very good! When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right. This is how I do it. Michele From: Luis Salreta Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3727 - Release Date: 06/26/11 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Luis, I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the Family view by going to the View tab in Options Customize. If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother (or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does not show on the Family view. Terri From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, Your English is very good! When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right. This is how I do it. Michele From: Luis Salreta Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3727 - Release Date: 06/26/11 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Terri, Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that somebody has questioned the relationship. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Terri Brown Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the Family view by going to the View tab in Options Customize. If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother (or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does not show on the Family view. Terri From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, Your English is very good! When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right. This is how I do it. Michele From: Luis Salreta Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
On 2011/06/26 14:31, Luis Salreta wrote: For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). Have you actually looked at the original handwriting of the two records? From transcribing English parish records, I can readily attest that it is very easy for someone to mis-read a scrawled MaryAnn as MaryLu. Without seeing the originals, I would have to put a question mark against them referring to the same couple. However, having seen the originals, I would be better placed to raise or lower my level of confidence in the two couples being the same. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Luis, I follow the same as Michele. I belive that it is more important to list the individuals and their supposed relationships than to wait until those relationships have been proven to a gigher surety level. Jacob Psutka On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Terri, Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that somebody has questioned the relationship. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ *From:* Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the Family view by going to the View tab in Options Customize. If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother (or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does not show on the Family view. Terri -- *From:* cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, Your English is very good! When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right. This is how I do it. Michele *From:* Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I put Maybe Not in the name field, it stands out like a bright light G But then I use a lot of ??? and then in my events I might say this looks right or this may be he. I like things I can spot from afar. I also have a tree that includes all the people I find in Cleveland Ohio from the Malmesbury area, I had so many with my family and found dozens more in the Necrology and Ohio death Certificates so a lot of ??? appear there too. Eliz On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt wrote: Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly Thanks for ll the opinions. I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place. The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case). I have lots of cases where the missing "link" is to the grandparents that only show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons. I still think it would be more "neat" with a "relationship" surety level. All the solutions are a bit "klundge" so I think the program needs to address this. You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the relationship line dependent of the surety level... Very friendly is'nt it? :-) L.Salreta Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Luis - I have been following this conversation and find it interesting. While everyone has come up with different ways to deal with the situation - I do like the idea of being able to mark the surety level. I agree that the tree would look very nice. Maybe it is something that Legacy can work on? Sandy K Keas From: luisalr...@clix.pt To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:25:45 +0100 Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly Thanks for ll the opinions. I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place. The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case). I have lots of cases where the missing link is to the grandparents that only show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons. I still think it would be more neat with a relationship surety level. All the solutions are a bit klundge so I think the program needs to address this. You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the relationship line dependent of the surety level... Very friendly is'nt it? :-) L.Salreta Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I don't believe in assigning numeric surety levels to anything! What I think is a 2 you may think is a 3, and what I think today is a 2, next month I may think is a 1. It's all too subjective. I discuss conflicting evidence, indirect evidence, etc. in Notes so it is clear to me, and hopefully to anyone else reading my work, what my conclusions are and how I reached them. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi Luis I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one fact differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers for the surety level as a rough indication. Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand On 27/06/2011 12:31 a.m., Luis Salreta wrote: Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level†for the relationships, and maybe one “comment†field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety levelâ€, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ahh, you raise a valid point. One I did not consider. I will have to look at my challenged individuals again. They may have to be changed to not proven. Terri From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 12:01:29 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Terri, Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that somebody has questioned the relationship. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Terri Brown Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the Family view by going to the View tab in Options Customize. If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother (or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does not show on the Family view. Terri From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Luis, Your English is very good! When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right. This is how I do it. Michele From: Luis Salreta Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese. Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to know what you do in similar situations. If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents). But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the relationship is more uncertain. For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-). So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts. I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it). I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges. What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem. Luis Salreta (sorry for my English) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brett: I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a GEDCOM--which I use for posting online. I don't know if that's important to you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: Luis Salreta Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level Hi Luis I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one fact differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers for the surety level as a rough indication. Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp