Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-07-21 Thread Paula Ryburn
Thx Brian for that thump on the forehead - I did know that.  You made me re-read
it, and then I learned a bit more! 
 --Paula in Texas
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Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams






From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 8:38:11 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

If I am reading this thread correctly the comments you refer to are
comments on a source or source detail. Those will only appear, if they
are set to be included in reports, with the source citation which can be
included:

As a footnote on the page
As a citation at the end of a Generation (if the report is organized
that way), or
As a citation at the end of the report.

Brian
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On 18/07/2011 6:06 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx.
 --Paula in Texas


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-07-19 Thread Brian/Support
If I am reading this thread correctly the comments you refer to are
comments on a source or source detail. Those will only appear, if they
are set to be included in reports, with the source citation which can be
included:

As a footnote on the page
As a citation at the end of a Generation (if the report is organized
that way), or
As a citation at the end of the report.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

On 18/07/2011 6:06 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx.
 --Paula in Texas


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-07-18 Thread Paula Ryburn
Do these comments show on reports?  Near the individuals?  Thx.
 --Paula in Texas
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Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates
Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner
Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams






From: Brett McL Robinson b...@vodafone.co.nz
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:01:26 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Hi Kirsten

I have just tested a Gedcom basic format and the comments I made in the
source citation were included in the export. Did you ensure that this
item was ticked for attachment to the citation or ticked to include at
the prompt during the export?

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 27/06/2011 5:04 p.m., Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Brett:

 I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a
GEDCOM--which I use for posting online.  I don't know if that's important to
you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx
version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it.

 Kirsten

 -Original Message-
 From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Cc: Luis Salreta
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


 Hi Luis

 I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why
things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or 
accuracy
of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the citation, so you
can comment about the source being used in support of one fact differently to
the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the source may be
reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers for the surety
level as a rough indication.

 Cheers, Brett
 B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-07-18 Thread Paula Ryburn
Even with a number indicating your personal surety level on the relationship,
the question remains where to put your reasoning notes, right?

When relationship is unproven, I will enter the person(s) and enter my
reasoning in Research Notes, which do appear on reports, attaching sources to
that field.

Excellent original question and discussion--thanks all!
 --Paula in Texas
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Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates
Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner
Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams






From: Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 12:25:45 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly

Thanks for ll the opinions.
I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place.
The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case).
 I have lots of cases where the missing link is to the grandparents that only
show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons.
I still think it would be more neat with a relationship surety level. All
the solutions are a bit klundge so I think the program needs to address this.

You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the
relationship line dependent of the surety level...
Very friendly is'nt it? :-)

L.Salreta


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-27 Thread Brett McL Robinson
Hi Kirsten

I have just tested a Gedcom basic format and the comments I made in the
source citation were included in the export. Did you ensure that this
item was ticked for attachment to the citation or ticked to include at
the prompt during the export?

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 27/06/2011 5:04 p.m., Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Brett:

 I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a 
 GEDCOM--which I use for posting online.  I don't know if that's important to 
 you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx 
 version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it.

 Kirsten

 -Original Message-
 From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Cc: Luis Salreta
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


 Hi Luis

 I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why 
 things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or 
 accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the 
 citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one 
 fact differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg 
 the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the 
 numbers for the surety level as a rough indication.

 Cheers, Brett
 B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-27 Thread Luis Salreta

Thank you all for the various solutions proposed.
I still believe that this needs a real program solution.
All the solutions are, as we say in Portugal, "desenrascanços" (see in google) or "MacGyverism" (we use what we have at hand to resolve the problem)

Thanks

L.Salreta



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-27 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
I missed the original post because it was not plain text. But this topic
interests me as an analyst/programmer so I thought I would add my
$0.02...

***

The OP makes a good point. If you look at the GENTECH Genealogical Data
Model (GDM)...

http://members.ngsgenealogy.org/GENTECH_Data_Model/Diagram_GENTECH_Data_Model_1.0.pdf

...the confidence/surety goes with the assertion, not the citation.

Think about it. A citation (the link between an assertion and a source)
is a statement like...

Assertion A came from Source B

Does it make sense to assign a surety level to that statement? Are you
questioning the fact that assertion A came from source B? No.

What you are questioning is the assertion itself. Therefore the
surety/confidence belongs with said assertion.

Luis' example is a little complicated because it actually consists of 3
assertions...

A1: Jake is the son of John Salreta and Maryann (list sources)
A2: Jake is the son of John Salreta and Marylu (other sources)
A3: These Jakes are the same person (source is Luis - this is his
conclusion - notice the GDM provides a field for Rationale)

A1 and A2 may have very high surety levels. A3 may be somewhat lower as
Luis is not 100% positive of his conclusion.

Interesting stuff!

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NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt wrote:
 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition)
 and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I
 would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
 relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
 certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times
 the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that
 we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
 relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have
 the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the
 documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I
 could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents)
 surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe
 one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to
 the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's
 the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found
 was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like
 the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-27 Thread Luis Salreta
OK let’s see if I can make myself clear

Let's use a very simple military example:
I have several source of intelligence that gives me some information.
I collect the information about related subjects and build one conclusion.
This conclusion is weighted based on the credibility of the sources and of the
information.
So I have 3 weights/probabilities - confidence in the source, confidence in the
information given by the source and confidence in the conclusion I made.

Assuming that the first two are mixed in the present source surety level what I
need/want is a surety level for my conclusion (a measure for my “educated”
guess!). And the conclusion is basically the definition of a relationship 
between
2 persons.

Of course each user gives a different subjective value to the levels 1 to 5 (and
it differs with time) but still and don't need to worry with levels 4 or 5 and
levels 3 or less must be researched.

And I agree that is always necessary an explanation of the “educated” guess.
I don’t know in other countries what sources of information they have but in
Portugal, except for the “blue blood” families, the main (and almost only) 
source
are the Church records, so I can’t wait to obtain more information from other
sources, to put people in the family tree.

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[LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Luis Salreta



Hi
I am Legacy
user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to
the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.



Of course I
like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to
know what you do in similar situations.



If we have
all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships
with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the
Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents).



But
sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
relationship is more uncertain.For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).




So, what
I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment”
field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.



I’m not
referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it).



I’ve
already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in
the thread ‘How to represent a "Best Fit" Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are "klunges".



What I’m
asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



Luis
Salreta (sorry for
my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread cranberryfrog
Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I 
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I 
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] 
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.

Michele



From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Hi


I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and 
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I 
would like to know what you do in similar situations.

If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the 
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death 
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the 
grandparents).

But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we 
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the 
relationship is more uncertain.

For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the 
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents 
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would 
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry 
for the poor names :-).


So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one 
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the 
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the 
way i'm using it).

I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was 
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the 
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Terri Brown
Luis,

I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the
child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on
the Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother
(or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does
not show on the Family view.

Terri




From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais]
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.
 
Michele
 
 

From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi

I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.
Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would
like to know what you do in similar situations.
If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the
grandparents).
But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
relationship is more uncertain.
For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry
for the poor names :-).

So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.
I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way
i'm using it).
I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.
 
What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.
 
Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Ron Ferguson
Terri,

Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it 
should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that 
somebody has questioned the relationship.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Terri Brown
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Luis,

I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the 
child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the 
Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother 
(or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does 
not show on the Family view.

Terri



From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I 
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I 
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] 
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.

Michele



From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Hi


I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and 
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I 
would like to know what you do in similar situations.

If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the 
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death 
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the 
grandparents).

But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we 
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the 
relationship is more uncertain.

For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the 
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents 
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would 
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry 
for the poor names :-).


So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one 
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the 
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the 
way i'm using it).

I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was 
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the 
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/06/26 14:31, Luis Salreta wrote:

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have 
 the
 marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents
 and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would
 put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. 
 (sorry
 for the poor names :-).

Have you actually looked at the original handwriting of the two records? From
transcribing English parish records, I can readily attest that it is very easy
for someone to mis-read a scrawled MaryAnn as MaryLu. Without seeing the
originals, I would have to put a question mark against them referring to the
same couple. However, having seen the originals, I would be better placed to
raise or lower my level of confidence in the two couples being the same.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Jacob Psutka
Luis,

I follow the same as Michele.  I belive that it is more important to list
the individuals and their supposed relationships than to wait until those
relationships have been proven to a gigher surety level.

Jacob Psutka

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote:

Terri,

 Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted
 it should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning
 that somebody has questioned the relationship.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/


  *From:* Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

  Luis,

 I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of
 the child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on
 the Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

 If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to
 Mother (or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship
 status does not show on the Family view.
 Terri

  --
 *From:* cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

  Luis,
 Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship
 but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in
 the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências
 circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.

 Michele



  *From:* Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition)
 and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I
 would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
 relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
 certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times
 the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that
 we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
 relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have
 the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the
 documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I
 could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents)
 surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe
 one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to
 the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's
 the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found
 was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like
 the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



 Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Eliz Hanebury
I put Maybe Not in the name field, it stands out like a bright light
G But then I use a lot of ??? and then in my events I might say
this looks right or this may be he. I like things I can spot from
afar.

I also have a tree that includes all the people I find in Cleveland
Ohio from the Malmesbury area, I had so many with my family and found
dozens more in the Necrology and Ohio death Certificates so a lot of
??? appear there too.



Eliz

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt wrote:
 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition)
 and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I
 would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
 relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
 certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times
 the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that
 we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
 relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have
 the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the
 documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I
 could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents)
 surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe
 one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to
 the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's
 the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found
 was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like
 the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



 Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Luis Salreta

Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly

Thanks for ll the opinions.
I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place.
The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case).
I have lots of cases where the missing "link" is to the grandparents that only show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons.
I still think it would be more "neat" with a "relationship" surety level. All the solutions are a bit "klundge" so I think the program needs to address this.

You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the relationship line dependent of the surety level...
Very friendly is'nt it? :-)

L.Salreta

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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread sandy keas

Luis -

I have been following this conversation and find it interesting.  While 
everyone has come up with different ways to deal with the situation - I do like 
the idea of being able to mark the surety level.  I agree that the tree would 
look very nice.

Maybe it is something that Legacy can work on?

Sandy K Keas





From: luisalr...@clix.pt
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:25:45 +0100

Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly

Thanks for ll the opinions.
I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place.
The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case).
 I have lots of cases where the missing link is to the grandparents that only 
show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons.
I still think it would be more neat with a relationship surety level. All 
the solutions are a bit klundge so I think the program needs to address this.

You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the 
relationship line dependent of the surety level...
Very friendly is'nt it? :-)

L.Salreta


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Connie Sheets
I don't believe in assigning numeric surety levels to anything!  What I think 
is a 2 you may think is a 3, and what I think today is a 2, next month I may 
think is a 1.  It's all too subjective.

I discuss conflicting evidence, indirect evidence, etc. in Notes so it is clear 
to me, and hopefully to anyone else reading my work, what my conclusions are 
and how I reached them.

Connie




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Brett McL Robinson
Hi Luis

I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain
why things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability
or accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of
the citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support
of one fact differently to the way you might when used with a different
fact - eg the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I
also use the numbers for the surety level as a rough indication.

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 27/06/2011 12:31 a.m., Luis Salreta wrote:

 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe
 edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European
 Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing
 and I would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish
 the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and
 death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get
 many times the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place
 that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing
 them and the relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I
 have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe
 in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the
 same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to
 the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and
 maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my
 doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers
 to the confidence I have in that document and the information within
 (or that's the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I
 found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and
 don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.

 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.

 Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Terri Brown
Ahh, you raise a valid point. One I did not consider. I will have to look at my
challenged individuals again. They may have to be changed to not proven.

Terri





From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 12:01:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Terri,
 
Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it
should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that
somebody has questioned the relationship.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: Terri Brown
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Luis,

I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the
child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the
Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother
(or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does
not show on the Family view.

Terri




From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais]
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.
 
Michele
 
 

From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi

I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.
Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would
like to know what you do in similar situations.
If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the
grandparents).
But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
relationship is more uncertain.
For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry
for the poor names :-).

So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.
I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way
i'm using it).
I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.
 
What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.
 
Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)
 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

2011-06-26 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Brett:

I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a 
GEDCOM--which I use for posting online.  I don't know if that's important to 
you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx 
version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: Luis Salreta
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Hi Luis

I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why 
things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or 
accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the 
citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one fact 
differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the 
source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers 
for the surety level as a rough indication.

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand




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