Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
Laurel, I am reminded now, by looking at my own data, that subsequent citations only seem to work for SourceWriter sources, not with Basic sources. You could request a Legacy enhancement to at least drop the media from subsequent Basic sources. In the meantime, have you considered attaching the picture to the source Detail instead of the Master? That way you could attach it to only one of the citations, instead of all of them. As an aside, it seems unusual to have a birth certificate in a Master source. More common would be for the master to represent a collection, and the individual certificate to be in the Detail portion of the citation. You can still easily cite the certificate more than once, using the source clipboard. One further thought: Do the readers of your reports really need to ever see a picture at all within source footnotes? Especially when it is hard to read. You can still attach the picture for your internal reference, without choosing to display it in the report citations. Also, pictures that do display well, like photos of people, can optionally be attached to an event, in which case they will show up just once. Ward -Original Message- From: Greg and Laurel Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:48 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports Thank you Ward and Cheryl for your replies. I will contact Support about my emails. The situation was a Master Source repeating on the reports right after the exact Master Source before it -- with the same picture of the birth certificate repeated. I could handle the repeating Source if the picture didn't repeat.It just seems a whole big mess of citations compared to the older version. Thanks again. Laurel > On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:46 PM, "Ward Walker" wrote: > > Gregandlaurel, > > Not receiving list e-mails is a frequent problem, due to a flaw in the > service that Milllenia uses. You need to send an e-mail to > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to fix your partially-working > subscription. > > We had a big discussion here in 2009, where some people were bemoaning the > fact that ibid had stopped working in the then latest release. Some > points: > - ibid is only useful for a citation where the master source is identical > to the one in the immediately preceding citation. The way that reports are > constructed, we have little control over the order of citations in > footnotes. > - Legacy uses the concept of 'subsequent citations', where an abbreviated > form of the master citation is used if that master was cited anywhere > above in the list of citations. > - If both the master and detail information in a citation are identical to > a previous citation, then Legacy should simply use the same footnote > number in the report, rather than create a new footnote. It was not clear > whether this was always working. > - Subsequent citations get very complicated when dealing with SourceWriter > sources. Bugs were logged. I haven't checked whether any work has been > done on those issues. Many e-mails in the LUG archive. > > Ward > > -Original Message- From: singhals > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:01 PM > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Cc: gregandlau...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports > > gregandlaurel >> Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails. I >> see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone >> could help me with it. Here it is again: >> >> I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for >> sources. >> I have a 2 part issue: firstly, does ibid not work? Under Customize >> Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master >> Sources >> (this only applies to Basic-Style sources). I have this ticked, but so >> far > > So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me. > >> this has failed to work on all types of reports. The 2nd part is that I >> like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source. The >> picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full >> Citation >> and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about >> ibid). >> Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation. > > Again, not so far as I can tell. Another argument against > putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess. > >> Twice is overkill. I have gone through and tried numerous things with >> report options, but nothing works. My reports printed fine with the >> older >> version of Legacy that I was previously using. Any advice
Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
It would seem to me that when there is one and ONLY one source in the Master Source list, a(any)the) program ought not need too much more to identify an ibid or an idem or even an op cit. Yet, none of them seem to. :( Agreed that when person A has 10 source citations and person B has 8 and person C 16, ibid probably won't work real often, but op cit certainly should. IS that subsequent citation thing working for you? I'm not seeing any difference in my output. Yes, I know I can edit it after creating the file, but _having to_ seems unnecessary. Cheryl Ward Walker wrote: > Gregandlaurel, > > Not receiving list e-mails is a frequent problem, due to a flaw in the > service that Milllenia uses. You need to send an e-mail to > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to fix your partially-working > subscription. > > We had a big discussion here in 2009, where some people were bemoaning the > fact that ibid had stopped working in the then latest release. Some points: >- ibid is only useful for a citation where the master source is identical > to the one in the immediately preceding citation. The way that reports are > constructed, we have little control over the order of citations in > footnotes. >- Legacy uses the concept of 'subsequent citations', where an abbreviated > form of the master citation is used if that master was cited anywhere above > in the list of citations. >- If both the master and detail information in a citation are identical to > a previous citation, then Legacy should simply use the same footnote number > in the report, rather than create a new footnote. It was not clear whether > this was always working. >- Subsequent citations get very complicated when dealing with SourceWriter > sources. Bugs were logged. I haven't checked whether any work has been done > on those issues. Many e-mails in the LUG archive. > > Ward > > -Original Message- > From: singhals > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:01 PM > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Cc: gregandlau...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports > > gregandlau...@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails. I >> see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone >> could help me with it. Here it is again: >> >> I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for >> sources. >> I have a 2 part issue: firstly, does ibid not work? Under Customize >> Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master >> Sources >> (this only applies to Basic-Style sources). I have this ticked, but so >> far > > So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me. > >> this has failed to work on all types of reports. The 2nd part is that I >> like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source. The >> picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full >> Citation >> and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about >> ibid). >> Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation. > > Again, not so far as I can tell. Another argument against > putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess. > >> Twice is overkill. I have gone through and tried numerous things with >> report options, but nothing works. My reports printed fine with the >> older >> version of Legacy that I was previously using. Any advice would be >> appreciated. Thanks. > > Cheryl > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
Thank you Ward and Cheryl for your replies. I will contact Support about my emails. The situation was a Master Source repeating on the reports right after the exact Master Source before it -- with the same picture of the birth certificate repeated. I could handle the repeating Source if the picture didn't repeat.It just seems a whole big mess of citations compared to the older version. Thanks again. Laurel > On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:46 PM, "Ward Walker" wrote: > > Gregandlaurel, > > Not receiving list e-mails is a frequent problem, due to a flaw in the > service that Milllenia uses. You need to send an e-mail to > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to fix your partially-working > subscription. > > We had a big discussion here in 2009, where some people were bemoaning the > fact that ibid had stopped working in the then latest release. Some points: > - ibid is only useful for a citation where the master source is identical to > the one in the immediately preceding citation. The way that reports are > constructed, we have little control over the order of citations in footnotes. > - Legacy uses the concept of 'subsequent citations', where an abbreviated > form of the master citation is used if that master was cited anywhere above > in the list of citations. > - If both the master and detail information in a citation are identical to a > previous citation, then Legacy should simply use the same footnote number in > the report, rather than create a new footnote. It was not clear whether this > was always working. > - Subsequent citations get very complicated when dealing with SourceWriter > sources. Bugs were logged. I haven't checked whether any work has been done > on those issues. Many e-mails in the LUG archive. > > Ward > > -Original Message- From: singhals > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:01 PM > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Cc: gregandlau...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports > > gregandlaurel >> Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails. I >> see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone >> could help me with it. Here it is again: >> >> I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for sources. >> I have a 2 part issue: firstly, does ibid not work? Under Customize >> Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master Sources >> (this only applies to Basic-Style sources). I have this ticked, but so far > > So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me. > >> this has failed to work on all types of reports. The 2nd part is that I >> like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source. The >> picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full Citation >> and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about ibid). >> Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation. > > Again, not so far as I can tell. Another argument against > putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess. > >> Twice is overkill. I have gone through and tried numerous things with >> report options, but nothing works. My reports printed fine with the older >> version of Legacy that I was previously using. Any advice would be >> appreciated. Thanks. > > Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
Gregandlaurel, Not receiving list e-mails is a frequent problem, due to a flaw in the service that Milllenia uses. You need to send an e-mail to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to fix your partially-working subscription. We had a big discussion here in 2009, where some people were bemoaning the fact that ibid had stopped working in the then latest release. Some points: - ibid is only useful for a citation where the master source is identical to the one in the immediately preceding citation. The way that reports are constructed, we have little control over the order of citations in footnotes. - Legacy uses the concept of 'subsequent citations', where an abbreviated form of the master citation is used if that master was cited anywhere above in the list of citations. - If both the master and detail information in a citation are identical to a previous citation, then Legacy should simply use the same footnote number in the report, rather than create a new footnote. It was not clear whether this was always working. - Subsequent citations get very complicated when dealing with SourceWriter sources. Bugs were logged. I haven't checked whether any work has been done on those issues. Many e-mails in the LUG archive. Ward -Original Message- From: singhals Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:01 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: gregandlau...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports gregandlau...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails. I > see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone > could help me with it. Here it is again: > > I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for > sources. > I have a 2 part issue: firstly, does ibid not work? Under Customize > Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master > Sources > (this only applies to Basic-Style sources). I have this ticked, but so > far So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me. > this has failed to work on all types of reports. The 2nd part is that I > like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source. The > picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full > Citation > and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about > ibid). > Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation. Again, not so far as I can tell. Another argument against putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess. > Twice is overkill. I have gone through and tried numerous things with > report options, but nothing works. My reports printed fine with the > older > version of Legacy that I was previously using. Any advice would be > appreciated. Thanks. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
gregandlau...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails. I > see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone > could help me with it. Here it is again: > > I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for sources. > I have a 2 part issue: firstly, does ibid not work? Under Customize > Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master Sources > (this only applies to Basic-Style sources). I have this ticked, but so far So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me. > this has failed to work on all types of reports. The 2nd part is that I > like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source. The > picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full Citation > and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about ibid). > Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation. Again, not so far as I can tell. Another argument against putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess. > Twice is overkill. I have gone through and tried numerous things with > report options, but nothing works. My reports printed fine with the older > version of Legacy that I was previously using. Any advice would be > appreciated. Thanks. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails. I see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone could help me with it. Here it is again: I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for sources. I have a 2 part issue: firstly, does ibid not work? Under Customize Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master Sources (this only applies to Basic-Style sources). I have this ticked, but so far this has failed to work on all types of reports. The 2nd part is that I like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source. The picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full Citation and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about ibid). Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation. Twice is overkill. I have gone through and tried numerous things with report options, but nothing works. My reports printed fine with the older version of Legacy that I was previously using. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
