RE: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
I use personal knowledge as a starting point or if I have no other sources. I prefer to have at least two or three sources for each event, but I do have some personal knowledge sources for events when there was never anything found in published documents or vital records. If a sibling or cousin tells me so and so died last night then I will use that until I find better information. If a parent tells me something that happened long before I was born then I have to assume they were present at the time or witnessed whatever they are telling me. Some things can never be verified like when I was told an ancestor was shot off his horse during the civil war. I've never been able to find anything on that. When I was told another person froze to death in a swamp, I found that in a newspaper. However, the newspaper didn't mention that he was drunk when he fell into the swamp so there's no way to prove that. I never found his death certificate and I tried to get the coroner's report only I was told there wasn't one even though the newspaper mentioned the coroner's name and that there was an inquest. Maybe I should try the SourceWriter template since after going through my sources to clean them up I've noticed my earlier use of personal knowledge only shows the source with nothing in the details. There's something to be said for doing the sources right the first time and not years later. Fortunately those are the only sources I have that are incomplete. Bill From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:29 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge Ed, There is a SourceWriter template for Personal Knowledge. If you use Basic Sources, you can enter something similar. I include whose knowledge and how they know or think they know - ie something that enables you to evaluate the knowledge. eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at that stage whether it was before or after midnight. But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates. Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day itself. Cathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
On 25 Jan 2016 at 18:08, Hannigan Family Research wrote: > If you had people answer any of those different lists of questions that > appear on the genealogy websites, that is personal knowledge > information, how would you include that? As a text 'copy & paste' into > a note; as a Document attached to the file or some other method? If it was a written response, I would cite the source as a questionnaire, and if it was an oral response I would cite it as an interview. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: sha...@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
Dick, you make a good point. This has turned into a pretty good thread. Thanks for all the replies. Ed On Monday, January 25, 2016 11:11 AM, gerald wrote: My aunt was born on May 30, at home. My grandather later went into town to register the birth, but days later as he didn't go into the town vey often. He went in on June 10, and registered the birth as June 10. We don't know if he didn't read the forms correctly, or he just put down today's date, but that is the legal date of her birth. Everyone in the family KNOWS for certain that she was born on May 30. So through all the years, she had to go by June 10 on all legal documents. She tried to get it corrrected, but there is such a long legal process, and expense, that she gave up. It was easier for her to just change the date in her own mind! However, she feels cheated out of her Old Age Pension by a few days!! So I have entered a note about this strange event in her record, but legally recorded her birthdate as June 10. Other than her immediate family, no one really cares or is worried over it. Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at that stage whether it was before or after midnight. But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates. Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day itself. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
Ed, I do pretty much what Cathy does. I use a 'Personal Knowledge of xxx'usually myself and the detail is usually 'I was there'. As you say, good enough for me. But in the future, when you are out of the picture or no one is sure how scrupulous you were about accuracy, or you want to submit your work to a lineage society, it may not be enough. So your choice may depend on where you see your work going in the future. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Marianne Szabo wrote: > One school of thought that I was taught was that only the mother can truly > relate the day and time of the birth, particularly if the birth took place > before fathers were allowed into the delivery room. > > > > Marianne > > > > From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:29 PM > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge > > > > Ed, > > There is a SourceWriter template for Personal Knowledge. > If you use Basic Sources, you can enter something similar. > I include whose knowledge and how they know or think they know - ie > something that enables you to evaluate the knowledge. > eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, > I can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't > know at that stage whether it was before or after midnight. > But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the > information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates. > Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day > itself. > > Cathy > > > Ed Ladendorf wrote: > > > This is something I'm struggling with. We might know things, but have > no hard proof to offer t o someone else who might be working on our > line. For instance, let's say you have personal knowledge of a > person's birthday or date or cause of death (probably an immediate > family member), but you have no birth certificate or other > documentation. How would you cite the source? I have more than one > instance like this, and I could order the certificates, but I would > rather put that money toward other genealogical goodies, like Civil > War Pension records. Not only that, but ordering documentation like > that just seems like a waste of money, since I'm 100% sure of the > information. > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
One school of thought that I was taught was that only the mother can truly relate the day and time of the birth, particularly if the birth took place before fathers were allowed into the delivery room. Marianne From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:29 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge Ed, There is a SourceWriter template for Personal Knowledge. If you use Basic Sources, you can enter something similar. I include whose knowledge and how they know or think they know - ie something that enables you to evaluate the knowledge. eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at that stage whether it was before or after midnight. But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates. Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day itself. Cathy Ed Ladendorf wrote: This is something I'm struggling with. We might know things, but have no hard proof to offer t o someone else who might be working on our line. For instance, let's say you have personal knowledge of a person's birthday or date or cause of death (probably an immediate family member), but you have no birth certificate or other documentation. How would you cite the source? I have more than one instance like this, and I could order the certificates, but I would rather put that money toward other genealogical goodies, like Civil War Pension records. Not only that, but ordering documentation like that just seems like a waste of money, since I'm 100% sure of the information. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
That's great, Cathy. Thank you very much. I appreciate the reply. On Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:29 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote: Ed, There is a SourceWriter template for Personal Knowledge. If you use Basic Sources, you can enter something similar. I include whose knowledge and how they know or think they know - ie something that enables you to evaluate the knowledge. eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at that stage whether it was before or after midnight. But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates. Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day itself. Cathy Ed Ladendorf wrote: This is something I'm struggling with. We might know things, but have no hard proof to offer to someone else who might be working on our line. For instance, let's say you have personal knowledge of a person's birthday or date or cause of death (probably an immediate family member), but you have no birth certificate or other documentation. How would you cite the source? I have more than one instance like this, and I could order the certificates, but I would rather put that money toward other genealogical goodies, like Civil War Pension records. Not only that, but ordering documentation like that just seems like a waste of money, since I'm 100% sure of the information. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
Ed, There is a SourceWriter template for Personal Knowledge. If you use Basic Sources, you can enter something similar. I include whose knowledge and how they know or think they know - ie something that enables you to evaluate the knowledge. eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at that stage whether it was before or after midnight. But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates. Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day itself. Cathy Ed Ladendorf wrote: > > This is something I'm struggling with. We might know things, but have > no hard proof to offer to someone else who might be working on our > line. For instance, let's say you have personal knowledge of a > person's birthday or date or cause of death (probably an immediate > family member), but you have no birth certificate or other > documentation. How would you cite the source? I have more than one > instance like this, and I could order the certificates, but I would > rather put that money toward other genealogical goodies, like Civil > War Pension records. Not only that, but ordering documentation like > that just seems like a waste of money, since I'm 100% sure of the > information. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
