Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Marg, I guess I have been able to determine in each instance whether the event was in the town or the township. So, I might have two locations in my location list: Sault Ste Marie, Chippewa, Michigan and Sault Township, Chippewa, Michigan and assign the one that applies. Putting the township in parens might cause a hiccup in the Geo locator (which I think I read in another post you have only briefly tried). Also, as another example, I'm sure the city of Chicago was in a township or across several townships (?), but I never try to indicate township for Chicago... heck, the city takes up the whole of Cook County now (I'm pretty sure). And to carry that example further, to censuses. The Chicago census pages usually indicate in which ward of the city the E.D. lies. I will include the _w7_ in the file name on the image, and I typically add (Ward 7) at the beginning of the Notes field for the census Event. That is, I do not add the ward to the actual Location field... although, I suppose you could. My impression is the ward definitions have changed over time, so that would just introduce a new level to the issue of a place changing its place over time... county boundaries moving, Massachusetts Colony, etc, previously discussed here on LUG. I choose not to add that complexity in the Location list. --Paula snip Unless I enter it like this: Sault Ste Marie (Sault Twp), Chippewa, Michigan, United States, I lose the information that SSM is in Soo Twp. I think Barbeau, Chippewa County, Michigan, USA would be in Bruce Twp. (that's a guess as to the township). I could put the Township in the note field if it the parenthesis will cause difficulty down the line when I might want to do more with my data. But as far as I can see this still keeps the four commas for sorting purposes. Another problem arises when the town/city is the same name as the township. How will I know if the person lived in the town or this is referring to the township? Since I'm leaving off County and just using Chippewa, it doesn't seem consistent to enter Soo/Sault Township, Chippewa, MI... But maybe that is getting too picky. Maybe that is the way it's done. I'm just feeling my way to an entry system with which I'm reasonably comfortable. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
*Peggy* - please forgive me for not having read to the very end of your posts to see you prefer Peggy !! --Paula snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Peggy, Based on what I've read here over the years, whenever one of us who does a lot of research in the US starts talking about trying to fit US locations into the 4 mold, and may or may not mention a non-US example, someone from outside the US will comment in this fashion. Nothing against them! But, don't worry about it. Based on what I've read of your posts, you are trying to stick with the 4 plan for US locations, and then you plan to enter into the non-US realm with an open mind about how those locations may or may not fit. I think you will do fine. ;) On the other hand, I don't think you will be able to totally avoid any re-work. It's the nature of the Legacy program that you are not going to find out everything it can do for you until you are well into using the program. The best advice I've seen (and given, if I may say so!) here is to enter a couple of items one way and see how it turns out in various outputs; then try it another way check output; etc, until you see what you like. Then forge ahead! Also, please note that when I began I used the book reports almost exclusively, so only checked how things looked in those. In the past year or so, I've tried to get more organized, and now I used the FGR the most. So, when you're testing, try even a couple of the mainline reports, even if you have never used them before. --Paula snip Who is trying to impose it on the rest of the world? Legacy? The Family Search People? That's why I'm confused. Who are these powers who are making the decisions? And why does it matter? What effect will today's choices of entry, 4 or 9 or whatever, have on us later on? snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Peggy, Again, I may not have read all your posts, but I think the general advice from the list is to never download anything from (say) Ancestry directly into your database. Load it separately, clean it up and then add it to your main database. (I know this doesn't help you much NOW, but...) Further, I think there IS a find and replace feature.. surely someone here will comment on that?! --Paula snip ... Probably because the location list is a mess. Now I've learned I can clean it up in ancestry.com by entering information from the source that they should have transferred. But I think I'd rather clean it in Legacy. Then maybe upload the file to ancestry as a gedcom. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
That's not only the general advice from the list but the specific advice from Legacy when you import a new file, whether it be a gedcom or a Legacy file. That's the reason the first option to create a new file is selected by default. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Peggy, Again, I may not have read all your posts, but I think the general advice from the list is to never download anything from (say) Ancestry directly into your database. Load it separately, clean it up and then add it to your main database. snip --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
It's probably just me. At this point, I don't know if I'll ever want or need the townsnip names. I've got a large group of Ontario locations that use the name; such as Ferrisand sometimes Ferris township for the first field. I'm never sure if the record coming in from ancestry just was inconsistent, or if there is a town and a township and I shouldn't change it. I'll need to go back to the individuals and find out if its a town or township because for consistency I would always like to record township after the place unless it's a city. (Also I like to keep all the info I find about the place, in case I want it somewhere down the line.) Maybe the geo locator will be more helpful later. A few times it fills in blanks and gives me counties I didn't have. But then I'm thinking those counties might not be the county that was used when the record was made. I need to know a lot more about the geo locator before I start using it. I can see that if I have my town - parentheses township, it could be a problem because it wouldn't recognize the town. But I can't tell you how many towns I have in my list that it doesn't recognize anyhow. Maybe they are older and the database too updated. I think I'll learn more about using time lines and fill in my own blanks! I do appreciate your input a lot, Paul. Thanks for taking the time! From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, I guess I have been able to determine in each instance whether the event was in the town or the township. So, I might have two locations in my location list: Sault Ste Marie, Chippewa, Michigan and Sault Township, Chippewa, Michigan and assign the one that applies. Putting the township in parens might cause a hiccup in the Geo locator (which I think I read in another post you have only briefly tried). Also, as another example, I'm sure the city of Chicago was in a township or across several townships (?), but I never try to indicate township for Chicago... heck, the city takes up the whole of Cook County now (I'm pretty sure). And to carry that example further, to censuses. The Chicago census pages usually indicate in which ward of the city the E.D. lies. I will include the _w7_ in the file name on the image, and I typically add (Ward 7) at the beginning of the Notes field for the census Event. That is, I do not add the ward to the actual Location field... although, I suppose you could. My impression is the ward definitions have changed over time, so that would just introduce a new level to the issue of a place changing its place over time... county boundaries moving, Massachusetts Colony, etc, previously discussed here on LUG. I choose not to add that complexity in the Location list. --Paula snip Unless I enter it like this: Sault Ste Marie (Sault Twp), Chippewa, Michigan, United States, I lose the information that SSM is in Soo Twp. I think Barbeau, Chippewa County, Michigan, USA would be in Bruce Twp. (that's a guess as to the township). I could put the Township in the note field if it the parenthesis will cause difficulty down the line when I might want to do more with my data. But as far as I can see this still keeps the four commas for sorting purposes. Another problem arises when the town/city is the same name as the township. How will I know if the person lived in the town or this is referring to the township? Since I'm leaving off County and just using Chippewa, it doesn't seem consistent to enter Soo/Sault Township, Chippewa, MI... But maybe that is getting too picky. Maybe that is the way it's done. I'm just feeling my way to an entry system with which I'm reasonably comfortable. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
No problem. Not your fault. One name in the header and another in the signature is confusing. I am used to both names so it doesn't bother me. From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census *Peggy* - please forgive me for not having read to the very end of your posts to see you prefer Peggy !! --Paula snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
I'm afraid you are right and spending all this time trying to get it right could be spent on clean up. I've got my videos working by converting from avi to mp4 so will watch them and take it from there, really forging ahead. (I might have told you that.) Thanks, Paula From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Peggy, Based on what I've read here over the years, whenever one of us who does a lot of research in the US starts talking about trying to fit US locations into the 4 mold, and may or may not mention a non-US example, someone from outside the US will comment in this fashion. Nothing against them! But, don't worry about it. Based on what I've read of your posts, you are trying to stick with the 4 plan for US locations, and then you plan to enter into the non-US realm with an open mind about how those locations may or may not fit. I think you will do fine. ;) On the other hand, I don't think you will be able to totally avoid any re-work. It's the nature of the Legacy program that you are not going to find out everything it can do for you until you are well into using the program. The best advice I've seen (and given, if I may say so!) here is to enter a couple of items one way and see how it turns out in various outputs; then try it another way check output; etc, until you see what you like. Then forge ahead! Also, please note that when I began I used the book reports almost exclusively, so only checked how things looked in those. In the past year or so, I've tried to get more organized, and now I used the FGR the most. So, when you're testing, try even a couple of the mainline reports, even if you have never used them before. --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Right on both counts. I have an email open from Brian on search and replace and it will work, but am waiting an answer to another question before I use it. From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Peggy, Again, I may not have read all your posts, but I think the general advice from the list is to never download anything from (say) Ancestry directly into your database. Load it separately, clean it up and then add it to your main database. (I know this doesn't help you much NOW, but...) Further, I think there IS a find and replace feature.. surely someone here will comment on that?! --Paula snip ... Probably because the location list is a mess. Now I've learned I can clean it up in ancestry.com by entering information from the source that they should have transferred. But I think I'd rather clean it in Legacy. Then maybe upload the file to ancestry as a gedcom. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
That is the way I'm doing it, thanks to the advice of the group. From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census That's not only the general advice from the list but the specific advice from Legacy when you import a new file, whether it be a gedcom or a Legacy file. That's the reason the first option to create a new file is selected by default. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Peggy, Again, I may not have read all your posts, but I think the general advice from the list is to never download anything from (say) Ancestry directly into your database. Load it separately, clean it up and then add it to your main database. snip --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Brian, thank you so much for this help. It has gone a long ways towards making cleaning up my locations faster. From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Peggy, Legacy does have a search and replace for the Master Location List Go to Search Search and Replace Use the scroll down list to select Lists - Location to find and replace in the Long Location Name Use Lists - Location Short to search and replace in the Short location names. There are other fields in the Master Location List you can also change this way. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Marg, Some rules of netiquette a) Distinguish between the 'Write' and 'Reply' operations. Use 'Write' when you want to start a new thread. Use 'Reply' when,... , well, replying to a message. You are consistently using the 'Reply' operation and simply used a refurbished, old message. b) True threading (think conversations) is _not_ achieved simply from changing the subject. c) Always trim the excess when replying to a message. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Marg, Yes, I enter the township instead of the town/city in a location name. Township is a breakdown of county but outside of a town or city. I don't think I've seen them both on the same census page. Also, the location where they lived should be the same as the location for which the census was taken, at least at the state/county/township level. The enumeration districts changed from census to census (or at least could change), so they should not be part of a location name. Rather, there is a place in the census source template to enter the enumeration district. After all, it is just part of the path for someone to follow to find this source you are citing themselves. --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 10:47:03 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Do others want to enter the township into the location? There isn't a problem if the location doesn't have a town and a township, but when that happens, how do you list the township if you want to keep to the standard location form for countries where it works. I've been adding it after the town (in parenthesis). Is that not a good idea? Just to run something else by you: I think I have it right, but would like confirmation. When the census is entered as an event for an individual; or info from that census entered, I'm thinking the location where they lived during the census would be used. The census location includes district and sometimes counties don't coincide with districts (more what I've heard than personal knowledge). That would be noted in the source and not a location field? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Thanks, Mike. I had no idea there would be a difference. To Write a topic directly from my email program do I compose a new message and put the group address in my sending to bar? I find myself forgetting to trim, though I know better. Maybe I need to tack a note to the top of my monitor with Trim written in Big Letters! From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Some rules of netiquette a) Distinguish between the 'Write' and 'Reply' operations. Use 'Write' when you want to start a new thread. Use 'Reply' when,... , well, replying to a message. You are consistently using the 'Reply' operation and simply used a refurbished, old message. b) True threading (think conversations) is _not_ achieved simply from changing the subject. c) Always trim the excess when replying to a message. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
If you don't want to lose the name of the town/city, would you use it in the Residence Event? Or in the place to put addresses? Thanks for the reply! From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Yes, I enter the township instead of the town/city in a location name. Township is a breakdown of county but outside of a town or city. I don't think I've seen them both on the same census page. Also, the location where they lived should be the same as the location for which the census was taken, at least at the state/county/township level. The enumeration districts changed from census to census (or at least could change), so they should not be part of a location name. Rather, there is a place in the census source template to enter the enumeration district. After all, it is just part of the path for someone to follow to find this source you are citing themselves. --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 10:47:03 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Do others want to enter the township into the location? There isn't a problem if the location doesn't have a town and a township, but when that happens, how do you list the township if you want to keep to the standard location form for countries where it works. I've been adding it after the town (in parenthesis). Is that not a good idea? Just to run something else by you: I think I have it right, but would like confirmation. When the census is entered as an event for an individual; or info from that census entered, I'm thinking the location where they lived during the census would be used. The census location includes district and sometimes counties don't coincide with districts (more what I've heard than personal knowledge). That would be noted in the source and not a location field? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Marg, Please post an example of an actual instance about which you have this question. I don't see how you could lose the town/city (see red below), so we must not be talking about the same thing. (and remember to Cut or snip the footers from the bottom of the email when you Reply... they build up over time... thx) --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census If you don't want to lose the name of the town/city, would you use it in the Residence Event? Or in the place to put addresses? Thanks for the reply! From:Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Yes, I enter the township instead of the town/city in a location name. Township is a breakdown of county but outside of a town or city. I don't think I've seen them both on the same census page. Also, the location where they lived should be the same as the location for which the census was taken, at least at the state/county/township level. The enumeration districts changed from census to census (or at least could change), so they should not be part of a location name. Rather, there is a place in the census source template to enter the enumeration district. After all, it is just part of the path for someone to follow to find this source you are citing themselves. --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 10:47:03 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Do others want to enter the township into the location? There isn't a problem if the location doesn't have a town and a township, but when that happens, how do you list the township if you want to keep to the standard location form for countries where it works. I've been adding it after the town (in parenthesis). Is that not a good idea? Just to run something else by you: I think I have it right, but would like confirmation. When the census is entered as an event for an individual; or info from that census entered, I'm thinking the location where they lived during the census would be used. The census location includes district and sometimes counties don't coincide with districts (more what I've heard than personal knowledge). That would be noted in the source and not a location field? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Marg, As I reread what I typed, I realized I should say that towns and cities DO geographically fall into townships (at least in public land states, I think), but I believe they are incorporated and typically treated separately for census purposes, as well as (say) utilities in real life. So, I tend to have *either* the town *or* the township (for rural locations). If we're talking about other than census data, I often have *neither* so I enter just the county and state at the location. (I am still undecided on including United States in my locations---I haven't thought yet about publishing, so the whole international viewership question has not arisen.) --Paula From:Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Please post an example of an actual instance about which you have this question. I don't see how you could lose the town/city (see red below), so we must not be talking about the same thing. (and remember to Cut or snip the footers from the bottom of the email when you Reply... they build up over time... thx) --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census If you don't want to lose the name of the town/city, would you use it in the Residence Event? Or in the place to put addresses? Thanks for the reply! From:Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Yes, I enter the township instead of the town/city in a location name. Township is a breakdown of county but outside of a town or city. I don't think I've seen them both on the same census page. Also, the location where they lived should be the same as the location for which the census was taken, at least at the state/county/township level. The enumeration districts changed from census to census (or at least could change), so they should not be part of a location name. Rather, there is a place in the census source template to enter the enumeration district. After all, it is just part of the path for someone to follow to find this source you are citing themselves. --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 10:47:03 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Do others want to enter the township into the location? There isn't a problem if the location doesn't have a town and a township, but when that happens, how do you list the township if you want to keep to the standard location form for countries where it works. I've been adding it after the town (in parenthesis). Is that not a good idea? Just to run something else by you: I think I have it right, but would like confirmation. When the census is entered as an event for an individual; or info from that census entered, I'm thinking the location where they lived during the census would be used. The census location includes district and sometimes counties don't coincide with districts (more what I've heard than personal knowledge). That would be noted in the source and not a location field? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
I like the idea of having a standard approach, Paula. I may not need it now, but if later I do need it I won't have to go through and change everything. For the United States (I like spelling the Countries out) there are four fields, so I have to figure out the best way to keep the township. I think I'd rather have the town/city in my location list for sure, if there is one. But I really want to keep both. So far no one has said that putting the township in parenthesis will cause a problem later, so I hope that keeps it to the standard. When I finish cleaning up my location list, I'll start adding the commas where appropriate. That obviously doesn't work for many countries. Hopefully Legacy will find a way to deal with that down the road. I'm not sure that it always works with Canada, where right now most of my people are located. Canada seems more confusing, but maybe that's because I haven't worked as much with the United States. As far as I understand it (which may be flawed still) the census place is entered into the source, not the location, so that shouldn't cause confusion in the location list. Another thing I noticed when watching a video preview, the word County is left off. That would be confusing if it didn't land in the standard field. Ireland is going to be something I'll have to learn to do next. Often there is a listing for say: County Down. I like the look of that. But it isn't in all the records. And as far as I can see from the few records I have from Irish sources, it probably won't fit the four field standard. I just started watching some of the beginner's set of videos, deciding it's worth taking the time now so I have a better idea what I'm doing. :) From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, As I reread what I typed, I realized I should say that towns and cities DO geographically fall into townships (at least in public land states, I think), but I believe they are incorporated and typically treated separately for census purposes, as well as (say) utilities in real life. So, I tend to have *either* the town *or* the township (for rural locations). If we're talking about other than census data, I often have *neither* so I enter just the county and state at the location. (I am still undecided on including United States in my locations---I haven't thought yet about publishing, so the whole international viewership question has not arisen.) --Paula From:Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Please post an example of an actual instance about which you have this question. I don't see how you could lose the town/city (see red below), so we must not be talking about the same thing. (and remember to Cut or snip the footers from the bottom of the email when you Reply... they build up over time... thx) --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census If you don't want to lose the name of the town/city, would you use it in the Residence Event? Or in the place to put addresses? Thanks for the reply! From:Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Yes, I enter the township instead of the town/city in a location name. Township is a breakdown of county but outside of a town or city. I don't think I've seen them both on the same census page. Also, the location where they lived should be the same as the location for which the census was taken, at least at the state/county/township level. The enumeration districts changed from census to census (or at least could change), so they should not be part of a location name. Rather, there is a place in the census source template to enter the enumeration district. After all, it is just part of the path for someone to follow to find this source you are citing themselves. --Paula From:Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 10:47:03 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Do others want to enter the township into the location? There isn't a problem if the location doesn't have a town and a township, but when that happens, how do you list the township if you want to keep to the standard location form for countries where it works. I've been adding it after the town (in parenthesis
RE: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
In New England Townships are essentially unincorporated cities, I believe. In many parts of the country Townships are a 6 mile square surveyed area. Not all states handle townships the same. You have to do what works for you in the area you are working. Carl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Peggy, Do not believe everything you read or see! Irish counties are *always* preceded by County, and it is improper to write them otherwise. County Down correct Down wrong. As has been said before nomenclature varies from country to country. I'm sorry to see that you are so hung up on the American 4 field convention. Legacy has the facility for 9 location fields. The Geolocator only looks at the first 4, so you can have what you like in the other 5 without affecting anything. Take a look at ViewMaster ListLocationSort. If you also look at the Help File on the Location Page you will find answers to all your questions (or at least most of them!). Note that the Help Files on all pages are context helps, and specifically relate to the page which you are looking at. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Marg Strong Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census I like the idea of having a standard approach, Paula. I may not need it now, but if later I do need it I won't have to go through and change everything. For the United States (I like spelling the Countries out) there are four fields, so I have to figure out the best way to keep the township. I think I'd rather have the town/city in my location list for sure, if there is one. But I really want to keep both. So far no one has said that putting the township in parenthesis will cause a problem later, so I hope that keeps it to the standard. When I finish cleaning up my location list, I'll start adding the commas where appropriate. That obviously doesn't work for many countries. Hopefully Legacy will find a way to deal with that down the road. I'm not sure that it always works with Canada, where right now most of my people are located. Canada seems more confusing, but maybe that's because I haven't worked as much with the United States. As far as I understand it (which may be flawed still) the census place is entered into the source, not the location, so that shouldn't cause confusion in the location list. Another thing I noticed when watching a video preview, the word County is left off. That would be confusing if it didn't land in the standard field. Ireland is going to be something I'll have to learn to do next. Often there is a listing for say: County Down. I like the look of that. But it isn't in all the records. And as far as I can see from the few records I have from Irish sources, it probably won't fit the four field standard. I just started watching some of the beginner's set of videos, deciding it's worth taking the time now so I have a better idea what I'm doing. :) From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, As I reread what I typed, I realized I should say that towns and cities DO geographically fall into townships (at least in public land states, I think), but I believe they are incorporated and typically treated separately for census purposes, as well as (say) utilities in real life. So, I tend to have *either* the town *or* the township (for rural locations). If we're talking about other than census data, I often have *neither* so I enter just the county and state at the location. (I am still undecided on including United States in my locations---I haven't thought yet about publishing, so the whole international viewership question has not arisen.) --Paula From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Please post an example of an actual instance about which you have this question. I don't see how you could lose the town/city (see red below), so we must not be talking about the same thing. (and remember to Cut or snip the footers from the bottom of the email when you Reply... they build up over time... thx) --Paula From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census If you don't want to lose the name of the town/city, would you use it in the Residence Event? Or in the place to put addresses? Thanks for the reply! From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Yes, I enter the township instead of the town/city in a location name. Township is a breakdown of county but outside of a town or city. I don't think I've seen them both on the same census page. Also, the location where they lived should be the same as the location for which the census was taken, at least at the state/county/township level. The enumeration districts changed from census to census
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On 2012/04/25 19:46, Carl Cox wrote: In New England Townships are essentially unincorporated cities, I believe. In many parts of the country Townships are a 6 mile square surveyed area. Not all states handle townships the same. You have to do what works for you in the area you are working. Here comes a cat to throw amongst the pigeons. So, why try and impose this awful 4-part location on the rest of the world? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
An example would be:United States Michigan Chippewa County Soo Township Sault Ste Marie Unless I enter it like this: Sault Ste Marie (Sault Twp), Chippewa, Michigan, United States, I lose the information that SSM is in Soo Twp. I think Barbeau, Chippewa County, Michigan, USA would be in Bruce Twp. (that's a guess as to the township). I could put the Township in the note field if it the parenthesis will cause difficulty down the line when I might want to do more with my data. But as far as I can see this still keeps the four commas for sorting purposes. Another problem arises when the town/city is the same name as the township. How will I know if the person lived in the town or this is referring to the township? Since I'm leaving off County and just using Chippewa, it doesn't seem consistent to enter Soo/Sault Township, Chippewa, MI... But maybe that is getting too picky. Maybe that is the way it's done. I'm just feeling my way to an entry system with which I'm reasonably comfortable. I have the beginner video set that I purchased when I ordered Legacy 5 and from the look of the preview, there hasn't been much change, if any. Unfortunately only the sound comes up on my computer and no picture. Tried it on Windows 7 and on my old laptop with Win XP. I'm waiting for a response from an email to tech support. I hate to have to buy the set I already have! Thanks for the reminder to cut! I never seem to remember. Wish I could have everyone put a reminder in their signature line. :) From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, Please post an example of an actual instance about which you have this question. I don't see how you could lose the town/city (see red below), so we must not be talking about the same thing. (and remember to Cut or snip the footers from the bottom of the email when you Reply... they build up over time... thx) --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
I started today to look more at the help files. In fact I have a question that I don't have time to ask, so will ask later, because the help file (concerning locations) that I just looked at directs me to an option that isn't there. It seemed that I could stick to the standard four just for the USA and use something else (after I understand better what works) for other countries. I haven't been looking at the Geo locator because it didn't seem to help much when I tried it a few days ago. Ron, do you mean, if I use more than the four fields, I can still sort by the county, country, etc? I will look at the sort feature and try it for myself, but unfortunately a lot of locations came in from ancestry in a way that will probably mess it up. It's my gedcom from my tree on ancestry.com that I imported into a file in legacy and am trying to work with. And I haven't even started to check the history of the places to see if the location is correct for the time. I could maybe tag a few files that are correct, try edit a few to five fields (putting township in one) and see what happens. (If I can sort just the tagged fields.) The problem is there are so many new things to learn and I hardly know where to start. As I mentioned in another email, if tech support can help me get the video set working, that I bought some time ago , I will watch them before I go any further and hopefully have a better idea of what I'm doing. I'm glad County Down is correct. I'd hate to lose the sound/look of that! It has an Irish flavor. Peggy From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Peggy, Do not believe everything you read or see! Irish counties are *always* preceded by County, and it is improper to write them otherwise. County Down correct Down wrong. As has been said before nomenclature varies from country to country. I'm sorry to see that you are so hung up on the American 4 field convention. Legacy has the facility for 9 location fields. The Geolocator only looks at the first 4, so you can have what you like in the other 5 without affecting anything. Take a look at ViewMaster ListLocationSort. If you also look at the Help File on the Location Page you will find answers to all your questions (or at least most of them!). Note that the Help Files on all pages are context helps, and specifically relate to the page which you are looking at. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Marg Strong Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census I like the idea of having a standard approach, Paula. I may not need it now, but if later I do need it I won't have to go through and change everything. For the United States (I like spelling the Countries out) there are four fields, so I have to figure out the best way to keep the township. I think I'd rather have the town/city in my location list for sure, if there is one. But I really want to keep both. So far no one has said that putting the township in parenthesis will cause a problem later, so I hope that keeps it to the standard. When I finish cleaning up my location list, I'll start adding the commas where appropriate. That obviously doesn't work for many countries. Hopefully Legacy will find a way to deal with that down the road. I'm not sure that it always works with Canada, where right now most of my people are located. Canada seems more confusing, but maybe that's because I haven't worked as much with the United States. As far as I understand it (which may be flawed still) the census place is entered into the source, not the location, so that shouldn't cause confusion in the location list. Another thing I noticed when watching a video preview, the word County is left off. That would be confusing if it didn't land in the standard field. Ireland is going to be something I'll have to learn to do next. Often there is a listing for say: County Down. I like the look of that. But it isn't in all the records. And as far as I can see from the few records I have from Irish sources, it probably won't fit the four field standard. I just started watching some of the beginner's set of videos, deciding it's worth taking the time now so I have a better idea what I'm doing. :) From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Marg, As I reread what I typed, I realized I should say that towns and cities DO geographically fall into townships (at least in public land states, I think), but I believe they are incorporated and typically treated separately for census purposes, as well as (say) utilities in real life. So, I tend to have *either* the town
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Peggy, Yes I do! But, there is a trick, go to ViewMaster ListsLocation then click the Sort Button, and on the bottom right you will see an option to sort from right to left, set that. Then check the little box next to the Sort Button. So, the location list will no longer read eg. Sault Ste Marie, Soo Township, Chippewa County, Michigan, United States But United States, Michigan, Chippewa County, Soo Township, Sault Ste Marie Perfectly readable and in a much more sensible order! Not to mention more flexible. I stress that this only changes the sort order in the list and makes absolutely no difference to how it reads in reports, web sites, GEDCOMs, nor does it affect the Geo-locator. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Marg Strong Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census I started today to look more at the help files. In fact I have a question that I don't have time to ask, so will ask later, because the help file (concerning locations) that I just looked at directs me to an option that isn't there. It seemed that I could stick to the standard four just for the USA and use something else (after I understand better what works) for other countries. I haven't been looking at the Geo locator because it didn't seem to help much when I tried it a few days ago. Ron, do you mean, if I use more than the four fields, I can still sort by the county, country, etc? I will look at the sort feature and try it for myself, but unfortunately a lot of locations came in from ancestry in a way that will probably mess it up. It's my gedcom from my tree on ancestry.com that I imported into a file in legacy and am trying to work with. And I haven't even started to check the history of the places to see if the location is correct for the time. I could maybe tag a few files that are correct, try edit a few to five fields (putting township in one) and see what happens. (If I can sort just the tagged fields.) The problem is there are so many new things to learn and I hardly know where to start. As I mentioned in another email, if tech support can help me get the video set working, that I bought some time ago , I will watch them before I go any further and hopefully have a better idea of what I'm doing. I'm glad County Down is correct. I'd hate to lose the sound/look of that! It has an Irish flavor. Peggy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
I think I missed a lot of past discussion on this. I hear all the discussion and, being new, don't want to make mistakes that might cause clean up work in the future.It's unlikely I will ever get to the place where I could put a Tree on the web, let alone publish other than a book for my close relatives some day. Who is trying to impose it on the rest of the world? Legacy? The Family Search People? That's why I'm confused. Who are these powers who are making the decisions? And why does it matter? What effect will today's choices of entry, 4 or 9 or whatever, have on us later on? From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census On 2012/04/25 19:46, Carl Cox wrote: In New England Townships are essentially unincorporated cities, I believe. In many parts of the country Townships are a 6 mile square surveyed area. Not all states handle townships the same. You have to do what works for you in the area you are working. Here comes a cat to throw amongst the pigeons. So, why try and impose this awful 4-part location on the rest of the world? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Can't figure out why that isn't the standard. From what I understood, sorting by the different fields was for the purpose of checking for duplicates. Actually I did try it once a few weeks ago and didn't find it helpful. Probably because the location list is a mess. Now I've learned I can clean it up in ancestry.com by entering information from the source that they should have transferred. But I think I'd rather clean it in Legacy. Then maybe upload the file to ancestry as a gedcom. I wish Legacy had a find and replace feature for the Location Master List. I could get rid of all the Co. , Ont, etc and replace with one pass. Tried it and got a message that I have to edit individually in the location list. I suppose that's a safety feature, though I backed up my file before I tried and found out it wouldn't work. I don't know enough about anything yet to be making requests for new features. I wonder if any the add-ons will do a search/replace in the location list? Peggy From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census Peggy, Yes I do! But, there is a trick, go to ViewMaster ListsLocation then click the Sort Button, and on the bottom right you will see an option to sort from right to left, set that. Then check the little box next to the Sort Button. So, the location list will no longer read eg. Sault Ste Marie, Soo Township, Chippewa County, Michigan, United States But United States, Michigan, Chippewa County, Soo Township, Sault Ste Marie Perfectly readable and in a much more sensible order! Not to mention more flexible. I stress that this only changes the sort order in the list and makes absolutely no difference to how it reads in reports, web sites, GEDCOMs, nor does it affect the Geo-locator. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Marg Strong Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census I started today to look more at the help files. In fact I have a question that I don't have time to ask, so will ask later, because the help file (concerning locations) that I just looked at directs me to an option that isn't there. It seemed that I could stick to the standard four just for the USA and use something else (after I understand better what works) for other countries. I haven't been looking at the Geo locator because it didn't seem to help much when I tried it a few days ago. Ron, do you mean, if I use more than the four fields, I can still sort by the county, country, etc? I will look at the sort feature and try it for myself, but unfortunately a lot of locations came in from ancestry in a way that will probably mess it up. It's my gedcom from my tree on ancestry.com that I imported into a file in legacy and am trying to work with. And I haven't even started to check the history of the places to see if the location is correct for the time. I could maybe tag a few files that are correct, try edit a few to five fields (putting township in one) and see what happens. (If I can sort just the tagged fields.) The problem is there are so many new things to learn and I hardly know where to start. As I mentioned in another email, if tech support can help me get the video set working, that I bought some time ago , I will watch them before I go any further and hopefully have a better idea of what I'm doing. I'm glad County Down is correct. I'd hate to lose the sound/look of that! It has an Irish flavor. Peggy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Peggy: The 4-field convention for locations (with placeholder commas for missing data) is a format used by many and hated by possibly an equal number (or at least with equal passion). It's condemned by many as an American abomination but I get weary of that complaint. Someone apparently needed to pick a number, and they picked 4 but there's nothing that says you have to use it and there are no powers trying to enforce it. It works for some situations but not for others--even in the US. Legacy allows you to use any format you want. The pros and cons have been rehashed to death for years (see the LUG Archives). Personally, if I have a town for a location I don't also include the township, but that's my choice and you can do otherwise. The purpose of the software is to allow you to record your research, and Legacy does an admirable job of that. Data cleanup is one thing, but if you spend more time tinkering with the software than you do in researching, then I'd say the emphasis is on the wrong syllable. Kirsten From: Marg Strong Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census I think I missed a lot of past discussion on this. I hear all the discussion and, being new, don't want to make mistakes that might cause clean up work in the future. It's unlikely I will ever get to the place where I could put a Tree on the web, let alone publish other than a book for my close relatives some day. Who is trying to impose it on the rest of the world? Legacy? The Family Search People? That's why I'm confused. Who are these powers who are making the decisions? And why does it matter? What effect will today's choices of entry, 4 or 9 or whatever, have on us later on? From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census On 2012/04/25 19:46, Carl Cox wrote: In New England Townships are essentially unincorporated cities, I believe. In many parts of the country Townships are a 6 mile square surveyed area. Not all states handle townships the same. You have to do what works for you in the area you are working. Here comes a cat to throw amongst the pigeons. So, why try and impose this awful 4-part location on the rest of the world? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census
Peggy, Legacy does have a search and replace for the Master Location List Go to Search Search and Replace Use the scroll down list to select Lists - Location to find and replace in the Long Location Name Use Lists - Location Short to search and replace in the Short location names. There are other fields in the Master Location List you can also change this way. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 25/04/2012 9:25 PM, Marg Strong wrote: Can't figure out why that isn't the standard. From what I understood, sorting by the different fields was for the purpose of checking for duplicates. Actually I did try it once a few weeks ago and didn't find it helpful. Probably because the location list is a mess. Now I've learned I can clean it up in ancestry.com by entering information from the source that they should have transferred. But I think I'd rather clean it in Legacy. Then maybe upload the file to ancestry as a gedcom. I wish Legacy had a find and replace feature for the Location Master List. I could get rid of all the Co. , Ont, etc and replace with one pass. Tried it and got a message that I have to edit individually in the location list. I suppose that's a safety feature, though I backed up my file before I tried and found out it wouldn't work. I don't know enough about anything yet to be making requests for new features. I wonder if any the add-ons will do a search/replace in the location list? Peggy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
