Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[CE WOOD]

SO TRUE! Computers are precise. An Alternative Name index (like Legacy's) that 
would link all name variations to the same memorial would be ideal. It would 
take time to build, but would be so helpful.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of Ed 
Ladendorf <edphotos...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

Thanks for the reply, Bob. I considered that possibility, but there is 
absolutely nothing different from what I have in Legacy and the FAG site. I 
just checked it again. While I was there, I searched for Heinrich Ladendorf, 
and Henry Ladendorf. The Heinrich entry matched what I had entered on FAG. The 
search for Henry came up empty, unlike some other sites' search engines. So 
that's something to be aware of.
Fwiw, others can be aware that a "no hits" doesn't necessarily mean there is no 
memorial for the person in question.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Bob Austen 
<rgaus...@telus.net<mailto:rgaus...@telus.net>> wrote:
Hi Ed,
I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being somewhat 
different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or initial.

Bob Austen

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 On Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[CE WOOD]

Contact FAG. Their Help section has multiple email addresses to use depending 
on your problem or question.


FAG was bought by Ancestry, but has its own, specialized team.


Using the FAG number is the only reliable way to find a person. As I mentioned 
in an earlier post, their search capabilities are deficient because of name 
variations, use of "king of", "Lord", "Sir", "de", "von", etc. in the Last Name 
field. Cemeteries are worse because the original contributor often uses just 
the name of the church/churchyard, i.e., St. Mary's Church. That becomes what 
you have to search for, not Arlington, which was not included in the name when 
the contributor added it. And, there are more than 50 pages of "St. Mary's 
Church" and no way other than slog through all of them to see if the one in 
Arlington is there - and that's even though you are searching one country. Just 
hope it was not entered as St. Marys Church (without the apostrophe). Computers 
are precise.


Also, if you care about the exact geographical location, check the map. Many 
people do not check that the coordinates they entered (if they did) are the 
correct coordinates.


There is a way to correct cemetery errors. Correcting what you consider naming 
errors is impossible unless you can convince the contributor that he is wrong 
and you are correct.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Ian Macaulay <macau...@icmac.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:50 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

Something is outawhack. Last night I searched from legacy for a known FAG 
entry and nothing showed.  But then I went to FAG and used their search by name 
and nothing showed.  So I called up the Cemetery listing and it was not there, 
So then I used the FAG number in the FAG search and there it was.  It was in 
the correct Cemetery (Which was Arlington, and so should not have any errors ). 
 So All I can surmise is that the name has some hidden character hiding in it 
or the system is broke.   I also tried the cemetery search and then the 
subjects name from that.   It failed as well.
So from that I also assume that its not Legacy at fault. ( If there is anyone 
from Ancestry  watching,  I can provide details.)

Ian


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Ed Ladendorf 
<edphotos...@gmail.com<mailto:edphotos...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[CE WOOD]

Direct relatives within four generations can be transferred to you if you 
request.. This would be your siblings, parents, grandparents, 
great-grandparents, children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.


"In regard to duplicates, a memorial with a correct known burial location will 
always be preferred over an unknown burial location. A member has thirty days 
to update the memorial to the correct burial location on recent deaths. If a 
case of duplicate memorials falls to the Administration, the Administration 
will have the final word on which memorial is deleted and which data will be 
retained in the remaining memorial page. There are some situations where an 
individual (usually a 'famous' individual) may have more than one memorial 
page, because their body was buried in one location but a cenotaph or second 
marker/memorial was also placed in a second location. If there are two memorial 
pages for the same individual, and one has an Other Burial designation 
(Cremation, Body Lost, burial at Sea, Donation, Non-Cemetery, or Unknown), and 
the other gives the location of a cenotaph or memorial marker, the memorial 
page with the Other Designation may be merged into the memorial page with a 
physical cenotaph stone or memorial location."


Sometimes memorials are merged; sometimes the duplicate is deleted. Some 
contributors are gracious; some are not.



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Leonard J. McCown <leon...@mccown.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:35 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?


I have had something like that happen also, when I even had the number, a 
different memorial come up. Then searched for the name, as I had it, and found 
the correct memorial, but it had the same number! So, two memorials, with the 
same number.



Sometimes memorials will be combined also. I think they choose the one with the 
most information, not the first one created. Leonard



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972-254-7952

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People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to

their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?



I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?
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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Leonard J. McCown]

I have had something like that happen also, when I even had the number, a 
different memorial come up. Then searched for the name, as I had it, and found 
the correct memorial, but it had the same number! So, two memorials, with the 
same number.

 

Sometimes memorials will be combined also. I think they choose the one with the 
most information, not the first one created. Leonard

 

­

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Leonard J. McCown, Irving, Texas -- McCown Family History

217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903

972-254-7952

  leon...@mccown.org --   
http://www.mccown.org

People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to

their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

_

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

 

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ian Macaulay]

Something is outawhack. Last night I searched from legacy for a known
FAG entry and nothing showed.  But then I went to FAG and used their search
by name and nothing showed.  So I called up the Cemetery listing and it was
not there, So then I used the FAG number in the FAG search and there it
was.  It was in the correct Cemetery (Which was Arlington, and so should
not have any errors ).  So All I can surmise is that the name has some
hidden character hiding in it or the system is broke.   I also tried the
cemetery search and then the subjects name from that.   It failed as well.
So from that I also assume that its not Legacy at fault. ( If there is
anyone from Ancestry  watching,  I can provide details.)

Ian


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:

> I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
> experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
> memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
> in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
> checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
> searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
> Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
> you know they exist?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks for the reply, Bob. I considered that possibility, but there is
absolutely nothing different from what I have in Legacy and the FAG site. I
just checked it again. While I was there, I searched for Heinrich
Ladendorf, and Henry Ladendorf. The Heinrich entry matched what I had
entered on FAG. The search for Henry came up empty, unlike some other
sites' search engines. So that's something to be aware of.
Fwiw, others can be aware that a "no hits" doesn't necessarily mean there
is no memorial for the person in question.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Bob Austen  wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being
> somewhat different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or
> initial.
>
>
>
> Bob Austen
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Ed Ladendorf
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] FAG problem?
>
>
>
> I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
> experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
> memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
> in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
> checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
> searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
> Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
> you know they exist?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Bob Austen]

Hi Ed,

I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being somewhat 
different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or initial.

 

Bob Austen

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

 

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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