Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Brian Kelly]

Then use the right to left sort order so country is listed first, states 
are next, etc down to the smallest unit.


Brian Kelly

On 06-Apr-17 8:19 AM, Jennifer Hardess wrote:

Hi Cathy,
All I wanted to do was get my Master Location list in order so all places of 
each country, county, town are together, not scattered as some had commas 
before the country etc. I tried to explain my problem in my first email in this 
thread.
Cheers
Jen H

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

Steve and Jennifer,

Are you wanting a list of locations or a list of people associated with
those locations? or both?

Either way, you can get it easily.

What you need is a Location Report for Tagged Locations.

In the Master Location List
Options button
Print - Location Report
with the options you can get either a list of locations OR a list of
locations and who and where uses them.

But first you'll want to tag the locations you want.
For an English county:
Sort your Location list from right to left.
Find the first location of interest:
eg Find: England, Cornwall
Click on the first, then right click and click on the last.
That highlights the group.
Then Options - Tag - highlighted records.
Then go to Options - Print - Location Report, choose what you want and
do it for tagged records.

If you can't get it easily, then you need to do some work on cleaning up
your Location List so everything is entered consistently.

Cathy


Jennifer Hardess wrote:


Thanks Steve,

You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer
for to solve this dilemma.

Jen H

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On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:


Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest

denomination

to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular

city, but

don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
search it, and then put it back after I'm done.

Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a

given

location name regardless of position, though. That would make the

re-sorting

unnecessary.


Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and
discovered
lots of limitations.

I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited
the UK
in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived,
sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versions of
Legacy could do that, or perhaps I used another program.

What I tried to do this time, and failed, was to produce a list for an
English country -- say Cornwall.

Yes, it would be possible to produce a list by searching five times and
adding to a list -- first birth, then baptism, then death, then
burial, then
marriage. I'm not sure if the search screen lets you search for marriage,
though.

So it would be marvellous if ii let you search for, and tag, any place
for
any event, with one search, and then print a list with just those.

And then print the list in the order of largest place to the smallest

The list I did manage to print was useless, because it sorted in the
order of
the number of blank spaces with commas, and it printed everything,
with no
selection.




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Jennifer Hardess <mailto:wmjah...@hotmail.com>
Wednesday, 5 April 2017 1:26 PM

Thanks Steve,

You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer
for to solve this dilemma.

Jen H

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On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:


Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest

denomination

to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to s

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Jennifer Hardess]

Hi Cathy,
All I wanted to do was get my Master Location list in order so all places of 
each country, county, town are together, not scattered as some had commas 
before the country etc. I tried to explain my problem in my first email in this 
thread.
Cheers
Jen H

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From: Cathy Pinner<mailto:genea...@gmail.com>
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To: Legacy User Group<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

Steve and Jennifer,

Are you wanting a list of locations or a list of people associated with
those locations? or both?

Either way, you can get it easily.

What you need is a Location Report for Tagged Locations.

In the Master Location List
Options button
Print - Location Report
with the options you can get either a list of locations OR a list of
locations and who and where uses them.

But first you'll want to tag the locations you want.
For an English county:
Sort your Location list from right to left.
Find the first location of interest:
eg Find: England, Cornwall
Click on the first, then right click and click on the last.
That highlights the group.
Then Options - Tag - highlighted records.
Then go to Options - Print - Location Report, choose what you want and
do it for tagged records.

If you can't get it easily, then you need to do some work on cleaning up
your Location List so everything is entered consistently.

Cathy


Jennifer Hardess wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
> You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer
> for to solve this dilemma.
>
> Jen H
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Steve Hayes <mailto:hayes...@telkomsa.net>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, 5 April 2017 2:51 PM
> *To: *Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names
>
> On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:
>
> > Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest
> denomination
> > to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
> > sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular
> city, but
> > don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
> > search it, and then put it back after I'm done.
> >
> > Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a
> given
> > location name regardless of position, though. That would make the
> re-sorting
> > unnecessary.
>
> Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and
> discovered
> lots of limitations.
>
> I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited
> the UK
> in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived,
> sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versions of
> Legacy could do that, or perhaps I used another program.
>
> What I tried to do this time, and failed, was to produce a list for an
> English country -- say Cornwall.
>
> Yes, it would be possible to produce a list by searching five times and
> adding to a list -- first birth, then baptism, then death, then
> burial, then
> marriage. I'm not sure if the search screen lets you search for marriage,
> though.
>
> So it would be marvellous if ii let you search for, and tag, any place
> for
> any event, with one search, and then print a list with just those.
>
> And then print the list in the order of largest place to the smallest
>
> The list I did manage to print was useless, because it sorted in the
> order of
> the number of blank spaces with commas, and it printed everything,
> with no
> selection.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Keep well,
> Steve Hayes
> Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm
> E-mail: sha...@dunelm.org.uk
>
>
>
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> Jennifer Hardess <mailto:wmjah...@hotmail.com>
> Wednesday, 5 April 2017 1:26 PM
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
> You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer
> for to solve this dilemma.
>
> Jen H
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Steve Hayes <mailto:hayes...@telkomsa.net>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, 5 April 2017 2:51 PM
> *To: *Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@l

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Cathy Pinner]

Steve and Jennifer,

Are you wanting a list of locations or a list of people associated with 
those locations? or both?


Either way, you can get it easily.

What you need is a Location Report for Tagged Locations.

In the Master Location List
Options button
Print - Location Report
with the options you can get either a list of locations OR a list of 
locations and who and where uses them.


But first you'll want to tag the locations you want.
For an English county:
Sort your Location list from right to left.
Find the first location of interest:
eg Find: England, Cornwall
Click on the first, then right click and click on the last.
That highlights the group.
Then Options - Tag - highlighted records.
Then go to Options - Print - Location Report, choose what you want and 
do it for tagged records.


If you can't get it easily, then you need to do some work on cleaning up 
your Location List so everything is entered consistently.


Cathy


Jennifer Hardess wrote:


Thanks Steve,

You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer
for to solve this dilemma.

Jen H

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*To: *Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:

> Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest
denomination
> to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
> sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular
city, but
> don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
> search it, and then put it back after I'm done.
>
> Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a
given
> location name regardless of position, though. That would make the
re-sorting
> unnecessary.

Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and
discovered
lots of limitations.

I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited
the UK
in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived,
sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versions of
Legacy could do that, or perhaps I used another program.

What I tried to do this time, and failed, was to produce a list for an
English country -- say Cornwall.

Yes, it would be possible to produce a list by searching five times and
adding to a list -- first birth, then baptism, then death, then
burial, then
marriage. I'm not sure if the search screen lets you search for marriage,
though.

So it would be marvellous if ii let you search for, and tag, any place
for
any event, with one search, and then print a list with just those.

And then print the list in the order of largest place to the smallest

The list I did manage to print was useless, because it sorted in the
order of
the number of blank spaces with commas, and it printed everything,
with no
selection.




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Jennifer Hardess <mailto:wmjah...@hotmail.com>
Wednesday, 5 April 2017 1:26 PM

Thanks Steve,

You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer 
for to solve this dilemma.


Jen H

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*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:

> Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest 
denomination

> to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
> sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular 
city, but

> don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
> search it, and then put it back after I'm done.
>
> Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a 
given
> location name regardless of position, though. That would make the 
re-sorting

> unnecessary.

Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and 
discovered

lots of limitations.

I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited 
the UK

in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived,
sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versio

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Jennifer Hardess]

Thanks Steve,
You have grasped exactly what I was trying to explain & get an answer for to 
solve this dilemma.
Jen H

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From: Steve Hayes<mailto:hayes...@telkomsa.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2017 2:51 PM
To: Legacy User Group<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:

> Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest denomination
> to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
> sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular city, but
> don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
> search it, and then put it back after I'm done.
>
> Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a given
> location name regardless of position, though. That would make the re-sorting
> unnecessary.

Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and discovered
lots of limitations.

I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited the UK
in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived,
sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versions of
Legacy could do that, or perhaps I used another program.

What I tried to do this time, and failed, was to produce a list for an
English country -- say Cornwall.

Yes, it would be possible to produce a list by searching five times and
adding to a list -- first birth, then baptism, then death, then burial, then
marriage. I'm not sure if the search screen lets you search for marriage,
though.

So it would be marvellous if ii let you search for, and tag, any place for
any event, with one search, and then print a list with just those.

And then print the list in the order of largest place to the smallest

The list I did manage to print was useless, because it sorted in the order of
the number of blank spaces with commas, and it printed everything, with no
selection.




--
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Web:http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Steve Hayes]

On 4 Apr 2017 at 17:56, Trevor Carlson wrote:

> Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest denomination
> to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I
> sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular city, but
> don't know exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort,
> search it, and then put it back after I'm done.
> 
> Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a given
> location name regardless of position, though. That would make the re-sorting
> unnecessary.

Yes, following this thread I tried to produce a location list, and discovered 
lots of limitations. 

I was sure I had produced a location list from Legacy when we visited the UK 
in 2005, and I wanted a list of places where family members had lived, 
sorted, so that I would have a list of towns. Perhaps earlier versions of 
Legacy could do that, or perhaps I used another program.

What I tried to do this time, and failed, was to produce a list for an 
English country -- say Cornwall.

Yes, it would be possible to produce a list by searching five times and 
adding to a list -- first birth, then baptism, then death, then burial, then 
marriage. I'm not sure if the search screen lets you search for marriage, 
though. 

So it would be marvellous if ii let you search for, and tag, any place for 
any event, with one search, and then print a list with just those. 

And then print the list in the order of largest place to the smallest

The list I did manage to print was useless, because it sorted in the order of 
the number of blank spaces with commas, and it printed everything, with no 
selection. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Cathy Pinner]

I don't use empty commas unless I truly don't know an internal location 
detail.
I include addresses in my location list so have more than 4 parts or 
just one if I only know the country.
I always sort my list from right to left and, because I'm consistent 
with the way I enter locations from smallest unit to country, all 
locations sort together whether I'm looking at country, state 
(Australia) or county (England), town or street.
It's really easy to get a list of everyone in a particular town or state 
by highlighting all the relevant locations and using Options - Show List.


I include addresses in the Location List because I don't like the way 
addresses are handled in Legacy - both the input, the display (they're 
quite hidden) and especially the output in reports. If all that changed, 
I'd reconsider.


Cathy

Trevor Carlson wrote:


Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest
denomination to smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a
5th field which I sometimes use (Ward in a city). If I need to search
for a particular city, but don't know exactly where it is, I will just
temporarily reverse my sort, search it, and then put it back after I'm
done.

Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a
given location name regardless of position, though. That would make
the re-sorting unnecessary.

Thanks,

Trevor

*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Sherry
*Sent:* 4-Apr-17 8:49 AM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

The Master Location List doesn't do well with no leading commas. You
can't sort correctly if you select a custom sort and the
Expand/Contract Location Parts (under Options) won't work correctly.

Sherry

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net
<mailto:hayes...@telkomsa.net>> wrote:


There is no option to "remove" it, though there is an option not to
show it
in reports.

If, say, I know that someone was born in Ohio, USA, I can enter it as

Ohio, USA

and Legacy will display and print it like that.

but I can also enter it as

, , Ohio, USA

to show that the city and county are missing.

And then I can have Legacy print it like that, or to strip away the
leading
commas.

I generally enter just what I know, so I don't put in blank spaces. If I
later find the name of a town where the person was born, I'll just add
that,
like

Columbus, Ohio, USA.

and not

Columbus, , Ohio, USA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Trevor Carlson]

Works very well if you sort the list in reverse order - largest denomination to 
smallest - which is what I do. It even allows for a 5th field which I sometimes 
use (Ward in a city). If I need to search for a particular city, but don't know 
exactly where it is, I will just temporarily reverse my sort, search it, and 
then put it back after I'm done.

 

Would be nice if Legacy had a search function that would search for a given 
location name regardless of position, though. That would make the re-sorting 
unnecessary.

 

Thanks,

Trevor

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: 4-Apr-17 8:49 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

The Master Location List doesn't do well with no leading commas. You can't sort 
correctly if you select a custom sort and the Expand/Contract Location Parts 
(under Options) won't work correctly.

Sherry

 

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:


There is no option to "remove" it, though there is an option not to show it
in reports.

If, say, I know that someone was born in Ohio, USA, I can enter it as

Ohio, USA

and Legacy will display and print it like that.

but I can also enter it as

 ,  , Ohio, USA

to show that the city and county are missing.

And then I can have Legacy print it like that, or to strip away the leading
commas.

I generally enter just what I know, so I don't put in blank spaces. If I
later find the name of a town where the person was born, I'll just add that,
like

Columbus, Ohio, USA.

and not

Columbus,  , Ohio, USA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Sherry]

The Master Location List doesn't do well with no leading commas. You can't
sort correctly if you select a custom sort and the Expand/Contract Location
Parts (under Options) won't work correctly.

Sherry


On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Steve Hayes  wrote:

>
> There is no option to "remove" it, though there is an option not to show it
> in reports.
>
> If, say, I know that someone was born in Ohio, USA, I can enter it as
>
> Ohio, USA
>
> and Legacy will display and print it like that.
>
> but I can also enter it as
>
>  ,  , Ohio, USA
>
> to show that the city and county are missing.
>
> And then I can have Legacy print it like that, or to strip away the leading
> commas.
>
> I generally enter just what I know, so I don't put in blank spaces. If I
> later find the name of a town where the person was born, I'll just add
> that,
> like
>
> Columbus, Ohio, USA.
>
> and not
>
> Columbus,  , Ohio, USA
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Jennifer Hardess]

Thanks for all the input re place names, it was much appreciated.
My thought was to have all the places of a particular country in one unified 
list so I would have all the towns of say Essex under  : England, Essex .. 
.. That way if I have the opportunity to visit those places I will have a 
complete list of towns in order under County.  Legacy puts default commas in if 
there isn’t 4 place names.
Regards,
Jen in Australia

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

Yes sometimes it seems a little bit overdoing it when writing out a long 
description, i.e. Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio. All I know is that it 
makes  source citations very specific as to locations. There are certain areas 
of the US in which township governments remain quite strong especially in their 
administration and record keeping duties. I’ve been to many county Genealogical 
Societies in which their list of local cemeteries and churches are kept on 
separate list organized by Township name. Using these lists I’ve visited many 
rural cemeteries based on what list I was given not realizing that less than 1 
mile away was another cemetery but because it was in a different township, it 
was on a different list.

The concept of townships is not universal across the US. Most of the western 
states in the US have only state and county governments (as well as city). For 
example, there are no townships in the state of California. But then again 
there is that other strange animal known as the borough found in several 
eastern seaboard states. Even people that live there are confused about how 
that level of government fits into the equation. And then many states have 
another legal entity called a “village”; it’s not quite a town or city. One 
good example is the village of Trempealeau which is located inside the city of 
Trempealeau, all in the township of Trempealeau, in the county of Trempealeau, 
Wisconsin. I unfortunately have most of my family members from that area and I 
can attest to the fact that the city of Trempealeau knowns nothing about the 
county of Trempealeau. And then we won’t even begin to discuss the parishes of 
Louisiana. :)

Brian in CA


From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Trevor Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 5:59 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

Brian, I do much like you do. Long place description is fully written, but I 
use abbreviations in the short descriptions. I also have an example like yours 
for Kasota, Le Sueur County, Minnesota and Kasota Township, Le Sueur County, 
Minnesota, (among quite a few others). Like many other users, I found it 
difficult to know where a particular event really was until I cleaned up my 
location list by writing them out in full. I also agree with someone else's 
point that it is more useful this way for other people who look at my work.

Thanks,

Trevor Carlson
Edmonton, AB


From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Brian Lightfoot
Sent: 2-Apr-17 6:31 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county descriptors, 
regardless of if the city or township was also known. I found that I have a 
great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland County, Ohio so I noticed many 
docs from a variety of sources merely stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close 
examination of the source itself revealed some were from the city of Ashland, 
some were from the Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the 
county of Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland, 
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be describing the 
city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was describing the Township of 
Ashland (not all parts were within the city limits) in Ashland County.

Thus I end up with the following variations:
Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio (meaning in the city of Ashland)
Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio (self-explanatory)
And finally “, Ashland County, Ohio” meaning a location somewhere in the county 
with the township not known.


From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.
, King county, Washington, United States
Seattle, King, Washington, United States.
Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county are 
the same.
Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spe

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Brian Lightfoot]

Yes sometimes it seems a little bit overdoing it when writing out a long 
description, i.e. Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio. All I know is that it 
makes  source citations very specific as to locations. There are certain areas 
of the US in which township governments remain quite strong especially in their 
administration and record keeping duties. I’ve been to many county Genealogical 
Societies in which their list of local cemeteries and churches are kept on 
separate list organized by Township name. Using these lists I’ve visited many 
rural cemeteries based on what list I was given not realizing that less than 1 
mile away was another cemetery but because it was in a different township, it 
was on a different list.

 

The concept of townships is not universal across the US. Most of the western 
states in the US have only state and county governments (as well as city). For 
example, there are no townships in the state of California. But then again 
there is that other strange animal known as the borough found in several 
eastern seaboard states. Even people that live there are confused about how 
that level of government fits into the equation. And then many states have 
another legal entity called a “village”; it’s not quite a town or city. One 
good example is the village of Trempealeau which is located inside the city of 
Trempealeau, all in the township of Trempealeau, in the county of Trempealeau, 
Wisconsin. I unfortunately have most of my family members from that area and I 
can attest to the fact that the city of Trempealeau knowns nothing about the 
county of Trempealeau. And then we won’t even begin to discuss the parishes of 
Louisiana. J

 

Brian in CA

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Trevor Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 5:59 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

Brian, I do much like you do. Long place description is fully written, but I 
use abbreviations in the short descriptions. I also have an example like yours 
for Kasota, Le Sueur County, Minnesota and Kasota Township, Le Sueur County, 
Minnesota, (among quite a few others). Like many other users, I found it 
difficult to know where a particular event really was until I cleaned up my 
location list by writing them out in full. I also agree with someone else's 
point that it is more useful this way for other people who look at my work.

 

Thanks,

 

Trevor Carlson

Edmonton, AB

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Brian Lightfoot
Sent: 2-Apr-17 6:31 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county descriptors, 
regardless of if the city or township was also known. I found that I have a 
great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland County, Ohio so I noticed many 
docs from a variety of sources merely stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close 
examination of the source itself revealed some were from the city of Ashland, 
some were from the Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the 
county of Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland, 
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be describing the 
city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was describing the Township of 
Ashland (not all parts were within the city limits) in Ashland County.

 

Thus I end up with the following variations:

Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio (meaning in the city of Ashland)

Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio (self-explanatory)

And finally “, Ashland County, Ohio” meaning a location somewhere in the county 
with the township not known.

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.

, King county, Washington, United States 

Seattle, King, Washington, United States.

Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county are 
the same.

Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spell "county" out. There might be 
those who aren't sure what "Co." means.  It's a common abbreviation for 
"company"

The WA abbreviation for Washington state is also the abbreviation for Western 
Australia and there's a town there with the same name as where I live in 
Washington!

 

Sherry

 

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Leonard J. McCown <leon...@mccown.org> wrote:

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Trevor Carlson]

Brian, I do much like you do. Long place description is fully written, but I 
use abbreviations in the short descriptions. I also have an example like yours 
for Kasota, Le Sueur County, Minnesota and Kasota Township, Le Sueur County, 
Minnesota, (among quite a few others). Like many other users, I found it 
difficult to know where a particular event really was until I cleaned up my 
location list by writing them out in full. I also agree with someone else's 
point that it is more useful this way for other people who look at my work.

 

Thanks,

 

Trevor Carlson

Edmonton, AB

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Brian Lightfoot
Sent: 2-Apr-17 6:31 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county descriptors, 
regardless of if the city or township was also known. I found that I have a 
great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland County, Ohio so I noticed many 
docs from a variety of sources merely stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close 
examination of the source itself revealed some were from the city of Ashland, 
some were from the Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the 
county of Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland, 
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be describing the 
city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was describing the Township of 
Ashland (not all parts were within the city limits) in Ashland County.

 

Thus I end up with the following variations:

Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio (meaning in the city of Ashland)

Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio (self-explanatory)

And finally “, Ashland County, Ohio” meaning a location somewhere in the county 
with the township not known.

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.

, King county, Washington, United States 

Seattle, King, Washington, United States.

Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county are 
the same.

Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spell "county" out. There might be 
those who aren't sure what "Co." means.  It's a common abbreviation for 
"company"

The WA abbreviation for Washington state is also the abbreviation for Western 
Australia and there's a town there with the same name as where I live in 
Washington!

 

Sherry

 

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Leonard J. McCown <leon...@mccown.org> wrote:

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
remove that in the set up for Legacy?

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Kris]

In the beginning I tried to follow the empty comma standard, four 
places, and no designations as regards township, county, etc.  But it 
wasn't useful and I found myself going back later and not knowing 
exactly what the location was supposed to be -- having to look it up 
again.


Now, I put those designations in the location list.  Census records that 
are in the "Washington Twp., DeKalb County, Missouri, USA" are listed 
that way.  I put cemeteries in the locations lists, too.


I took a hint from Elizabeth Shown Mills's summary of source citations: 
The purpose is to help those coming later find the source.  Same for 
locations:  The purpose is to record as much as possible where the event 
took place.  I didn't find the comma system sufficient to do that for me.


On 4/2/2017 7:31 PM, Brian Lightfoot wrote:

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county
descriptors, regardless of if the city or township was also known. I
found that I have a great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland
County, Ohio so I noticed many docs from a variety of sources merely
stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close examination of the source itself
revealed some were from the city of Ashland, some were from the
Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the county of
Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland,
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be
describing the city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was
describing the Township of Ashland (not all parts were within the
city limits) in Ashland County.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Steve Hayes]

On 3 Apr 2017 at 0:42, Ian Thomas wrote:

> It would be helpful to know the ways that location "descriptions" are used in
> a number of countries. The UK and USA examples/preferences are commonly given
> but other European and N/S American would be of interest to me. I noticed a
> distinct way that my aunt's address was given on her letters from 1950s/60s
> which is different than the USA pattern. 

I don't think ways of addressing letters should necessarily be used for 
locations of events. If people were married in a particular church, for 
example, the postal address of the church 20 or 200 years earlier would be of 
little use. 

In the UK, for example, the street name and number and postal code are 
sufficient for letter delivery. Town, villiage and county are unnecessary, 
but are nevertheless of interest to genealiogists. 

I find it odd that in the USA towns, and even quite small villages are 
referred to as "cities" for purposes of postal delivery. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Ian Thomas]

It would be helpful to know the ways that location "descriptions" are used in a 
number of countries. The UK and USA examples/preferences are commonly given but 
other European and N/S American would be of interest to me. I noticed a 
distinct way that my aunt's address was given on her letters from 1950s/60s 
which is different than the USA pattern. 

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
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Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 9:01 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

What about elsewhere in the world.

For example for the city of Nice in France the proper way to present the 
toponym is:

Nice, 06088, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France

Georges

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part de Leonard J. McCown Envoyé : 2 avril 2017 17:49 À : 'Legacy User Group' 
<legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, 
Place names

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was missing, to mark its 
place, and also to tell the person that it is a town, village, etc., and the 
next is the county (at least in the USA). I have continued that, but have 
started a no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too many 
places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas.
I decided what's best for me and to make it clear when I am dead and others 
might be using my database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to remove that in the 
set up for Legacy?



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217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903
972-254-7952
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Brian Lightfoot]

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county descriptors, 
regardless of if the city or township was also known. I found that I have a 
great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland County, Ohio so I noticed many 
docs from a variety of sources merely stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close 
examination of the source itself revealed some were from the city of Ashland, 
some were from the Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the 
county of Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland, 
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be describing the 
city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was describing the Township of 
Ashland (not all parts were within the city limits) in Ashland County.

 

Thus I end up with the following variations:

Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio (meaning in the city of Ashland)

Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio (self-explanatory)

And finally “, Ashland County, Ohio” meaning a location somewhere in the county 
with the township not known.

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.

, King county, Washington, United States 

Seattle, King, Washington, United States.

Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county are 
the same.

Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spell "county" out. There might be 
those who aren't sure what "Co." means.  It's a common abbreviation for 
"company"

The WA abbreviation for Washington state is also the abbreviation for Western 
Australia and there's a town there with the same name as where I live in 
Washington!

 

Sherry



 

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Leonard J. McCown <leon...@mccown.org> wrote:

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
remove that in the set up for Legacy?

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Steve Hayes]

On 2 Apr 2017 at 17:49, Leonard J. McCown wrote:

> Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
> missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
> it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
> least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
> no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
> many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
> Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
> it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
> database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.
> 
> Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
> remove that in the set up for Legacy?

There is no option to "remove" it, though there is an option not to show it 
in reports. 

If, say, I know that someone was born in Ohio, USA, I can enter it as 

Ohio, USA

and Legacy will display and print it like that. 

but I can also enter it as

 ,  , Ohio, USA

to show that the city and county are missing. 

And then I can have Legacy print it like that, or to strip away the leading 
commas. 

I generally enter just what I know, so I don't put in blank spaces. If I 
later find the name of a town where the person was born, I'll just add that, 
like 

Columbus, Ohio, USA.

and not

Columbus,  , Ohio, USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Gmail]

What about elsewhere in the world.

For example for the city of Nice in France the proper way to present the
toponym is:

Nice, 06088, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France

Georges

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Envoyé : 2 avril 2017 17:49
À : 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was missing, to mark
its place, and also to tell the person that it is a town, village, etc., and
the next is the county (at least in the USA). I have continued that, but
have started a no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas.
I decided what's best for me and to make it clear when I am dead and others
might be using my database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to remove that in
the set up for Legacy?



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217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903
972-254-7952
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posterity who never look backward to their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Sherry]

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.

, King county, Washington, United States
Seattle, King, Washington, United States.

Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county
are the same.

Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spell "county" out. There might be
those who aren't sure what "Co." means.  It's a common abbreviation for
"company"

The WA abbreviation for Washington state is also the abbreviation for
Western Australia and there's a town there with the same name as where I
live in Washington!

Sherry



On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Leonard J. McCown 
wrote:

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
> missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
> it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
> least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
> no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
> many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
> Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
> it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
> database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.
>
> Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
> remove that in the set up for Legacy?
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Leonard J. McCown]

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
remove that in the set up for Legacy?



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972-254-7952
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backward to
their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Wendy Howard]

You need to decide for yourself if you are going to conform to the 
four-field convention for locations, or not.  There are good arguments 
for both.


I'm a non-conformist in this regard.  I use as many commas as are needed 
to record the place I have at hand at the time, and I don't use commas 
to mark an empty field.  This means I have locations recorded with 
variations in the number of fields, including simple a country:


England
New Zealand

or just a region/county and country:

Yorkshire, England
Waikato, New Zealand

or even down to a street address (since I choose to not use the Address 
fields in many cases):


126 Mays Road, St Albans, Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
125 Great Saffron Hill, Holborn, London, England
4 Wellington Court, Albion Road, Hammersmith, London, England

When you're looking at the Master Locations, you can choose to sort 
right-to-left (smallest unit first), or left-to-right, which is very 
handy for grouping together all the locations in the same country, then 
the same region/county/state (depending on the country in question).


Have a think about what YOU want to see in YOUR database, and work from 
there.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy

Jennifer Hardess wrote on 2/04/2017 13:27:


I am trying to tidy up my locations / place name list. I notice that 
if I only have 2 or 3 names in a sequence e.g. London, England or 
Horsham, Victoria, Australia I end up with a comma or two before the 
place in the master location list. I have my


Master location list starting with the Country e.g. England. I need 
advice as  to how I can eradicate that comma. Is there a “standards list”


I can refer to somewhere? Especially for England...do I add the county 
name or whatever? I have tried looking up the place name on the 
internet e.g. using Wikipedia but often “Hundred” or borough is quoted 
in the information.


I am in Australia & it is very confusing, & time-consuming!

Thanks, Jen Hardess




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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

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Jennifer,
I have asked the same questions - Here is my solution:
I enter place names with the preceding commas to allow the place names to be 
sorted as
, , , England
, , Surrey, England, Wickham, Surrey, EnglandLathom Parish, Wickham, Surrey, 
England
, , Nevada, United States, Clark, Nevada, United StatesLas Vegas, Clark, United 
States

smallest jurisdiction, next level (town or County), County, State, Nation


This allows additional place detail can be added when they are discovered, 
keeping all England in the same location without being mixed higgly-pigley 
throughout your name list.
I have found that many place names can be expanded with further research, 
sometimes from unexpected documents or books.


 Lynn Bernhard 
Taylorsville, Utah 

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am trying to tidy up my locations / place name list. I notice that if I only 
have 2 or 3 names in a sequence e.g. London, England or Horsham, Victoria, 
Australia I end up with a comma or two before the place in the master location 
list. I have my Master location list starting with the Country e.g. England. I 
need advice as  to how I can eradicate that comma. Is there a “standards list”I 
can refer to somewhere? Especially for England...do I add the county name or 
whatever? I have tried looking up the place name on the internet e.g. using 
Wikipedia but often “Hundred” or borough is quoted in the information.I am in 
Australia & it is very confusing, & time-consuming!Thanks, Jen HardessSent from 
Mail for Windows 10   From: Jean Gobel
Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 10:52 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message   Hi All, Not a question, but a wish-for. 
When entering things in Legacy, the curser usually anticipates and goes to the 
next spot.  When adding a photo, I always find myself typing (or rather NOT 
typing) in mid-air.  You select the picture to enter, hit open, which it does 
at the correct spot in Legacy, providing you a place to type description and 
other info.  The curser is nowhere.  Wish it would be at the Caption block, 
waiting for me... Jean Gobel   Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 4:58 PM To: 
Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message Ask away, Cathy and 
others from Legacy pop in to answer a question or two.   You are right FB has 
done a number. In some cases it is easier to show a screen capture there than 
here, quicker at least.   Gene    On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Sherry 
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It's killed a lot of mailing lists The Yahoo Groups are quite inactive 
these days, at least the ones I'm subscribed to. Sherry   On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 
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I also agree...  Facebook and social media has effectively killed this list.   
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I couldn't agree more! It's a real shame they did that instead of making the 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Steve Hayes]

On 2 Apr 2017 at 1:27, Jennifer Hardess wrote:

> I am trying to tidy up my locations / place name list. I notice that if I only
> have 2 or 3 names in a sequence e.g. London, England or Horsham, Victoria,
> Australia I end up with a comma or two before the place in the master location
> list. I have my Master location list starting with the Country e.g. England. I
> need advice as  to how I can eradicate that comma. Is there a "standards list"
> I can refer to somewhere? Especially for England...do I add the county name or
> whatever? I have tried looking up the place name on the internet e.g. using
> Wikipedia but often "Hundred" or borough is quoted in the information. I am in
> Australia & it is very confusing, & time-consuming! Thanks, Jen Hardess Sent
> from Mail for Windows 10

I think that is a left-over from PAF, a now-discontinued genealogy program 
porduced by the LDS Church. 

Early versions of PAF has four fields for place names, and tghey recommended 
that you use the 4th one for the largest entity -- usually country, and the 
first one for the smallest entity in the place name. 

This led to endless confusion. 

What is the smallest entity?

In the case of a baptism, it might be the name of the church. So I would 
enter "St Meubred's, Cardinham, Cornwall, England" and the program would 
object that puncuation isn't used in place names. 

But now FamilySearch (also run by the LDS Church) wants "United Kingdom" as a 
bigger unit than England -- just at the time when the United Kingdom is 
threatening to break up over the question of membership of the EU. 
FamilySearch has also "standardised" on some weird (and erroneous) place 
names. 

In Legacy the choice is up to you. You can use the commas or omit them, and 
if you use them you can tell Legacy to omit them in printed reports. As far 
as I know you can have as many as you like.

So, in the case of a baptism I could enter:

"St James, Winscombe, Winterstoke, Somerset, England, United Kingdom"

and Legacy wouldn't object. 

If I wanted to do a search by Hundred, though (in this case, "Winterstoke", 
there might be a problem if Winterstoke is not always in the third "field", 
and if that field is not left blank when there isn't a Hundred (as in other 
countries).

But again, I think it is no problem for Legacy -- you just search t6o see if 
the place name "contains" that term. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Jennifer Hardess]

I am trying to tidy up my locations / place name list. I notice that if I only 
have 2 or 3 names in a sequence e.g. London, England or Horsham, Victoria, 
Australia I end up with a comma or two before the place in the master location 
list. I have my
Master location list starting with the Country e.g. England. I need advice as  
to how I can eradicate that comma. Is there a “standards list”
I can refer to somewhere? Especially for England...do I add the county name or 
whatever? I have tried looking up the place name on the internet e.g. using 
Wikipedia but often “Hundred” or borough is quoted in the information.
I am in Australia & it is very confusing, & time-consuming!
Thanks, Jen Hardess
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jean Gobel
Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 10:52 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

Hi All,
Not a question, but a wish-for.
When entering things in Legacy, the curser usually anticipates and goes to the 
next spot.  When adding a photo, I always find myself typing (or rather NOT 
typing) in mid-air.  You select the picture to enter, hit open, which it does 
at the correct spot in Legacy, providing you a place to type description and 
other info.  The curser is nowhere.  Wish it would be at the Caption block, 
waiting for me...
Jean Gobel

Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 4:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message
Ask away, Cathy and others from Legacy pop in to answer a question or two.

You are right FB has done a number. In some cases it is easier to show a screen 
capture there than here, quicker at least.

Gene

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Sherry  wrote:
It's killed a lot of mailing lists The Yahoo Groups are quite inactive 
these days, at least the ones I'm subscribed to.
Sherry

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Chick Lewis  wrote:
I also agree...  Facebook and social media has effectively killed this list.

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 12:49 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:

I couldn't agree more! It's a real shame they did that instead of making the 
easy fixes to this list whereby screen shots are safe.





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