Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
Ed, My initial thought is that these are two different children. I would look for a death record of the first one (b1799). But even if you don't find a death, I would still keep them as 2 separate entities until you can prove differently. Not sure what nationaliy you are working with but Peter (Petri) and Joseph (Josephus) were both Saints names, so if they both survived childhood one might be called Petri and the other Joseph. Or they could have been named after grandfathers who had similar names. Just my 2cents worth. Linda On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup < legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote: > The original message to the list is in the attachment. > > This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy > imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages > without conversion to attachments should use a different email address > for their subscription. > > Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require > this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com. Many other email > providers will also work but you will have to give them a try. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Ed Ladendorf > To: Legacy User Group > Cc: > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:58:10 + (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries > Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that > they were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they > were actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this > will be found in genealogy. > > But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. > Even though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, > I know I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either. [image: *:-$ don't > tell anyone shh!] Thanks again. > > Ed > > > On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: > > > Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate > people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes. > > Pat > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson > wrote: > > On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote: > > Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from > familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct > ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one > name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus > Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by > the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the > source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the > other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they > are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of > my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I > found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would > you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them > yet. > > > Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person? It is not > uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a > similar) name as an earlier sibling which died. I even have one instance > of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them > surviving childhood. The patron who submitted these records obviously > believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such > until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own > research. > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
The original message to the list is in the attachment. This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages without conversion to attachments should use a different email address for their subscription. Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com. Many other email providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.--- Begin Message --- Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be found in genealogy. But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either. Thanks again. Ed On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes. Pat On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote: On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote: Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person? It is not uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) name as an earlier sibling which died. I even have one instance of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving childhood. The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research. -- Jenny M Benson -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ --- End Message --- -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes. Pat On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote: > > Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from > familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct > ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one > name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus > Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by > the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the > source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the > other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they > are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of > my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I > found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would > you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them > yet. > > > Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person? It is not > uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a > similar) name as an earlier sibling which died. I even have one instance > of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them > surviving childhood. The patron who submitted these records obviously > believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such > until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own > research. > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
And of course list the alternate name. I'd also get in touch with the contributor and see if s/he has an explanation. And I'd explain in full in the General Notes and perhaps include images of the entries in the citations. Pat On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:47 PM, R G Strong-genes wrote: > Ed, > I would make one the birth entry (the one you think is more accurate) and > the other as an Alt Birth event, citing both. I would first go to > familysearch.org and see if you can find the reference to both of those > sources and most of the time there is a link to each of the original batch > files for those sources. You can then check and see what the difference is > between the two. I have no idea what those initials represent. > > > -Original Message- From: Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:32 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > Cc: Ed Ladendorf > Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on entries > > > You stated: > Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from > familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct > ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one > name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus > Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by > the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the > source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the > other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they > are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of > my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I > found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would > you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them > yet. > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote: Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person? It is not uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) name as an earlier sibling which died. I even have one instance of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving childhood. The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research. -- Jenny M Benson -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
Ed, I would make one the birth entry (the one you think is more accurate) and the other as an Alt Birth event, citing both. I would first go to familysearch.org and see if you can find the reference to both of those sources and most of the time there is a link to each of the original batch files for those sources. You can then check and see what the difference is between the two. I have no idea what those initials represent. -Original Message- From: Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Cc: Ed Ladendorf Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on entries You stated: Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/