Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
On 2012/04/25 18:50, Paula Ryburn wrote: > Well, when I click on the link at the bottom to view the archives, my > "Question > on how to START a thread" shows up as a new thread in the list of threads, so > that can't be it, Marg. Yes and no. A lot of web-based email software treats a change of Subject as beginning a new thread. This is probably what you're noticing. As I said, a simple change of Subject does not constitute a new thread, unless also accompanied with no references to previous messages. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Thanks, Brian. I understand the inner workings now. ;) I have added the LUG email to my Contacts. --Paula From:Brian/Support To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 2:04:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. Paula, When you use reply the header of your message (most of which is not displayed by your email reader) contains a hidden link to the original message to which you are replying. Correct email programs use those references in message headers, not the subject line, to build the thread of messages and replies. If you are interested and if your email program allows try looking at the message source text to see all the hidden bits. I use Thunderbird for my email and in that program use View > Message Source. I do not know how other programs let you do that. Here is the cross reference from your message header which links your reply to the previous message: In-Reply-To: <398609247_136459...@legacyusers.com> To truly start a new thread you should use write so there is no cross-reference to a previous message in the header of your email. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 25/04/2012 12:02 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: > Mike, > I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: [LegacyUG]" part >of > the subject, too. Does that not start a new thread from your email service's > viewpoint? (This email is an example.) > Thanks, > --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Paula, When you use reply the header of your message (most of which is not displayed by your email reader) contains a hidden link to the original message to which you are replying. Correct email programs use those references in message headers, not the subject line, to build the thread of messages and replies. If you are interested and if your email program allows try looking at the message source text to see all the hidden bits. I use Thunderbird for my email and in that program use View > Message Source. I do not know how other programs let you do that. Here is the cross reference from your message header which links your reply to the previous message: In-Reply-To: <398609247_136459...@legacyusers.com> To truly start a new thread you should use write so there is no cross-reference to a previous message in the header of your email. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 25/04/2012 12:02 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: > Mike, > I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: [LegacyUG]" part > of > the subject, too. Does that not start a new thread from your email service's > viewpoint? (This email is an example.) > Thanks, > --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
I think with most email programs you can copy the contact easily and add it to your contact list. Having just a few makes it a lot easier to pull one up by typing in the first letter. If I right click on the address it brings up the option to copy it, but I still have to go into "contacts > add": Not so bad when there aren't many. > > From: Paula Ryburn >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:05 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > > >Thx, Paul. I think I used to have this but (a) at one point they changed it >and (b) I recently had to delete all my contacts due to a hacking incident. >*argh* > --Paula > > > > >From:Paul Gray >To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:41:59 AM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > >For a totally new thread, the cleanest way is to send a new message (in >whatever way your e-mail program does it) to: > >LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >I have put that e-mail address in my address book. > > >Paul > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Thx, Paul. I think I used to have this but (a) at one point they changed it and (b) I recently had to delete all my contacts due to a hacking incident. *argh* --Paula From:Paul Gray To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:41:59 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. For a totally new thread, the cleanest way is to send a new message (in whatever way your e-mail program does it) to: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com I have put that e-mail address in my address book. Paul Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Then I don't understand it yet. Whatever the problem, I hope someone lets us know if the way to handle it is to "Compose a Message" and address it to the group under our new topic. > > From: Paula Ryburn >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:50 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > > >Well, when I click on the link at the bottom to view the archives, my >"Question on how to START a thread" shows up as a new thread in the list of >threads, so that can't be it, Marg. > --Paula > > > > > > >From:Marg Strong >To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:39:47 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > > >Mike will probably expand on this for us, Paula. I think the problem is in the >archives. When we do it the way we've been doing it, it messes up the thread >somehow. I'm going to try find a way to easily enter the group in the To: >address, so I can enter a new subject and start fresh. I'm waiting to find out >if this is the best way. > > > > >> >> From:Paula Ryburn >>To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:02 PM >>Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. >> >> >>Mike, >>I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: [LegacyUG]" part >>of the subject, too. Does that not start a new thread from your email >>service's viewpoint? (This email is an example.) >>Thanks, >> --Paula >> >> > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Well, when I click on the link at the bottom to view the archives, my "Question on how to START a thread" shows up as a new thread in the list of threads, so that can't be it, Marg. --Paula From:Marg Strong To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:39:47 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. Mike will probably expand on this for us, Paula. I think the problem is in the archives. When we do it the way we've been doing it, it messes up the thread somehow. I'm going to try find a way to easily enter the group in the To: address, so I can enter a new subject and start fresh. I'm waiting to find out if this is the best way. From:Paula Ryburn >To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:02 PM >Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > > >Mike, >I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: [LegacyUG]" part >of >the subject, too. Does that not start a new thread from your email service's >viewpoint? (This email is an example.) >Thanks, > --Paula > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Paul, I just discovered a feature in my Yahoo mail that helps pull up the address to start a new message. Under contacts there is a subdivision called "lists." I made an "Email Group" list and put my two group addresses under that. Even quicker, if you don't have a lot of contacts, just enter the first letter "L" and it pulls up a list of contacts that start with that letter. I only have one "L" so it's super easy. I haven't noticed what email program you are using, but maybe it has similar features. > > From: Mike Fry >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:19 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > >On 2012/04/25 18:02, Paula Ryburn wrote: > >> I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: [LegacyUG]" >> part of >> the subject, too. Does that not start a new thread from your email service's >> viewpoint? (This email is an example.) > >No. Because when you hit 'Reply' a message is started that contains a reference >to the message that you're starting from. Changing the subject simply continues >an existing thread and allows for what is commonly called 'thread-drift'. This >is somewhat akin to what happens in reality with a conversation between several >people. > >-- >Regards, >Mike Fry >Johannesburg > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
For a totally new thread, the cleanest way is to send a new message (in whatever way your e-mail program does it) to: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com I have put that e-mail address in my address book. Paul > I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: > [LegacyUG]" part of the subject, too. Does that not start a new > thread from your email service's viewpoint? (This email is an > example.) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread.
Mike will probably expand on this for us, Paula. I think the problem is in the archives. When we do it the way we've been doing it, it messes up the thread somehow. I'm going to try find a way to easily enter the group in the To: address, so I can enter a new subject and start fresh. I'm waiting to find out if this is the best way. > > From: Paula Ryburn >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:02 PM >Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on how to START a thread. > > >Mike, >I typically "reply" to a message and then strip out the "Re: [LegacyUG]" part >of the subject, too. Does that not start a new thread from your email >service's viewpoint? (This email is an example.) >Thanks, > --Paula > > > > >From:Mike Fry >To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 10:55:45 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations - Townships; census > >Marg, > >Some rules of netiquette > >a) Distinguish between the 'Write' and 'Reply' operations. Use 'Write' when you >want to start a new thread. Use 'Reply' when,... , well, replying to a message. >You are consistently using the 'Reply' operation and simply used a refurbished, >old message. > >b) True threading (think conversations) is _not_ achieved simply from changing >the subject. > >c) Always trim the excess when replying to a message. > >-- >Regards, >Mike Fry >Johannesburg > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
