Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
Hi All, A first-time poster to the list, and this caught my attention. It seems to me there is genealogy in same-sex couples, at least up to the two participants. And if they make use of modern fertility options, there is going to be a continuation of one or even both of those lines - though connected to each other only legally. Still, I wouldn't want to lose those connections in my recording for future research leads. Cheers, Michelle Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket? From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex marriages in genealogy. If you want something for recording people, their lives and their relationships, it's called a diary. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
Michelle, if they make use of modern fertility options, there is going to be a continuation of one or even both of those lines - though connected to each other only legally. This time last year, I had not expected to need to record such a family relationship. I had an entry for a cousin, herself childless, and who was one of the first batch of relatives to be entered into my genealogy database. By the most unexpected fluke, I discovered that she was an adopted child, not the natural child of her parents. It turns out that late in life she had put her adoption papers on a dedicated internet web site where these things can be sold. It was my own sister who found the web site with adoption papers listed, and sent it to me as the family historian. Double-take hardly describes my reaction. I now have it confirmed, and Legacy is able to cope with adoptions. I discovered, too, that her sister is also adopted, but the sister is also otherwise related to the adoptive parents. So, adoptions with family connexions, adoptions with none ; and again just recently, I now find I have to record same sex relationships where at least one of the pair already has natural children by a previous relationship, and adoptive by a new. I can imagine that this is going to be a technically tricky thing to implement in any genealogy database system. At present, it's getting quite string-and-sealing-wax to record some of the information I've uncovered. Alex Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. I'm not sure I understand this point. I want Legacy to record relationships as they are. Since heterosexual marriages are not lifelong either, I can't see why this should be an issue for same-sex relationships. I require Legacy, or any similar application program, to record genealogical data and relationships accurately, without value judgements. Alex From: mai_l...@aapt.net.au To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:17:26 +1000 And you finish with God Bless !!! God Blesses us all. From: Ellen [mailto:kramer...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 26 December 2013 12:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often than those of us who are grateful for it not being there. God bless,Ellen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Ellen wrote: I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often than those of us who are grateful for it not being there. God bless, Ellen On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote: Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick. It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program loads as well. Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as well Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in recording people, their lives and their relationships. On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our website http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
I'd like to up the count for including provisions for same sex marriage, significant others, poly-amorous, etc. But also, switching to a different underlying database program. Anything so fragile as to need constant check/repairs is far too fragile. I've used Dbase3, Visual Fox Pro and a number of free-form databases that never required this. Zoot for instance is a free-form database PIM that is arguably just as complex or moreso than Legacy, but I've never had to check or repair its many separate smart databases, and in 20 years, through disk failures, crashes, and power failures/surges that burnt out everything else, cloud sync failures, have never lost an item. So if you have to re-do the program anyway--and with Utah going same-sex marriage, you will surely have to--get a stabler database/file system. Pres -- Prescott Smith graysc...@gmail.com From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 December, 2013 12:22 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
I would vote for the same sex, relationship provision. Just to include everyone in one's family tree. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to up the count for including provisions for same sex marriage, significant others, poly-amorous, etc. But also, switching to a different underlying database program. Anything so fragile as to need constant check/repairs is far too fragile. I've used Dbase3, Visual Fox Pro and a number of free-form databases that never required this. Zoot for instance is a free-form database PIM that is arguably just as complex or moreso than Legacy, but I've never had to check or repair its many separate smart databases, and in 20 years, through disk failures, crashes, and power failures/surges that burnt out everything else, cloud sync failures, have never lost an item. So if you have to re-do the program anyway--and with Utah going same-sex marriage, you will surely have to--get a stabler database/file system. Pres -- Prescott Smith graysc...@gmail.com From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 December, 2013 12:22 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
I think the easiest solution is to just add the same-sex partner as either a wife or husband whether their sex matches that position or not. The marriage options allow adding whatever you want under Master Marriage Status List and you can also put a note that both individuals are either male or female. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
That is one upgrade I won’t be subscribing to very quickly – just imagine all the bugs and data integrity issues … C.G. Ouimet Kingston ON From: Orinda Spence [mailto:crazypie...@gmail.com] Sent: December 26, 2013 02:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages I would vote for the same sex, relationship provision. Just to include everyone in one's family tree. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to up the count for including provisions for same sex marriage, significant others, poly-amorous, etc. But also, switching to a different underlying database program. Anything so fragile as to need constant check/repairs is far too fragile. I've used Dbase3, Visual Fox Pro and a number of free-form databases that never required this. Zoot for instance is a free-form database PIM that is arguably just as complex or moreso than Legacy, but I've never had to check or repair its many separate smart databases, and in 20 years, through disk failures, crashes, and power failures/surges that burnt out everything else, cloud sync failures, have never lost an item. So if you have to re-do the program anyway--and with Utah going same-sex marriage, you will surely have to--get a stabler database/file system. Pres -- Prescott Smith graysc...@gmail.com From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 December, 2013 12:22 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex marriages in genealogy. If you want something for recording people, their lives and their relationships, it's called a diary. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Ellen wrote: I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often than those of us who are grateful for it not being there. God bless, Ellen On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote: Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick. It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program loads as well. Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as well Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in recording people, their lives and their relationships. On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our website http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How- Tos/Same-sex-couples.html Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
Genealogy and Family History are not always the same ... C.G. Ouimet Kingston ON -Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: December 26, 2013 02:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex marriages in genealogy. If you want something for recording people, their lives and their relationships, it's called a diary. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though. My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there. If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote. Cheryl Ellen wrote: I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often than those of us who are grateful for it not being there. God bless, Ellen On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote: Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick. It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program loads as well. Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as well Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in recording people, their lives and their relationships. On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our website http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How- Tos/Same-sex-couples.html Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
THIS THREAD MUST BE STOPPED NOW! Please, no more posts about same-sex marriages. I see that it's going to start getting hotter It doesn't matter what you think about the relationships and we're getting *away* from Legacy topics now. PLEASE STOP. Thank you. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex marriages in genealogy. If you want something for recording people, their lives and their relationships, it's called a diary. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
I've been following this thread with some interest, although I have none of those relationships in my personal records. I think Bill states an obvious and simple solution to this. I've been pondering the ramifications of such a change in the database from a totally non-programming knowledge basis. Even charting where the color coding can be based on sex. I feel that the simple solutions without restructuring everything in the programs, would be the best for everyone. Every time you make a major change, something else suffers as we've seen during the recent update of Legacy Family Tree. Any time we can make a simple work around, it will be best. I would be interested in hearing other 'work arounds' We need to stop this thread though because it is going to become 'political' pretty soon. And this is not just a Legacy Family Tree issue so no pointing fingers at them either. We all share an interest in tracing our family history and discovering our ancestry; this is no place for current event discussions. I'm quite happy to have the holidays over, and be happily unemployed for a little while, so I can get back into MY family history work and finally learn the ins and outs of our new Legacy 8 upgrade! I will be posting frequently I'm sure so thank you in advance to all of you who are so kind to give advise. Kathy On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.comwrote: I think the easiest solution is to just add the same-sex partner as either a wife or husband whether their sex matches that position or not. The marriage options allow adding whatever you want under Master Marriage Status List and you can also put a note that both individuals are either male or female. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
I have Church-recognized same sex marriages and civil same sex marriages that I would like to be able to record as easily as I do opposite sex marriages. I understand that not everyone feels this way. Unfortunately, that is not currently MY option with Legacy. That being said, I accept that the owners/developers of Legacy will probably not provide an easy path no matter how many requests there are. I will continue to use Legacy because it fits most of my needs. ---Marnie On 12/25/2013 9:42 PM, Ellen wrote: I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is /your/ option. [Italics mine] Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
It is my understanding that the purpose of genealogy is to reconstruct the lives of our ancestors as best as possible, and not how we would have preferred it to have been. To that end, Legacy does an excellent job. Just my two cents worth. Charles From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages I don't record best friends or pets either Ellen, they are a completely different kettle of fish. If I was to include those, I'd potentially look like a crazy cat lady to anyone who looked at my tree in future. I do however have an albeit small number of people in my tree who have been in a same sex relationship for at least twice as long as a number of marriages. If I am going to record a 3 year marriage, or a 5 year de-facto not-married-but-had-kids relationship, I should at least honour the 10+ year committed same sex relationship in the same way. I am not going to deny the child one of their parents just because their parents didn't marry, so why should I deny someone their life partner because the law denies them the same rights to marriage as everyone else? If Legacy brings in the ability for same-sex relationships to be recorded - it's going to be an optional thing, just the same as using the Research Guidance, or the Surety Levels, or adding images and sources are optional. (Although I would hope that sources are being recorded somehow, even if the Basic Sources or Source Writer features aren't being used) God Bless You too Ellen, hope you had a Merry Christmas. On 26 December 2013 12:42, Ellen kramer...@comcast.net wrote: I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often than those of us who are grateful for it not being there. God bless, Ellen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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And at the risk of being totally off-topic - and a gay man to wit, what a wonderful Christian response, Ellen, to recording ALL your family history. So who will you omit next? And re-iterating June’s response: God bless! I think someone in history, echoing his founder, said something about acknowledging faith, hope and charity - and the greatest……? Bryan Christchurch New Zealand Sent from Windows Mail From: Ellen Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:42 PM To: Legacy I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long. Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often than those of us who are grateful for it not being there. God bless, Ellen On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote: Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick. It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program loads as well. Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as well Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in recording people, their lives and their relationships. On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our website http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
Let me start by quoting from Legacy 8 Help File where it is stated: ” Legacy is a family history computer program that makes it extremely easy to store your genealogical information.” I have same sex relationships in my family. I wish to record all of their relationships whether married or not or in same sex relationships. Legacy 8 does not provide the means whereby I can record those relationships at this time. This is, I think, a large deficiency in the software, which is an excellent software in all other respects. I have family in the United States as well as Sweden. I am therefore able to produce reports on my family in both English and Swedish, as far as I know, it is the only genealogical software that makes this possible. Ken McGinnis, Millennia’s Vice President and one of its programmers wrote this on October 18, 2006: “It wasn't a moral issue. It was simply over looked in the early stages of Legacy design. Currently there are all kinds of queries when collecting spouses for a person. We look at the main person we want and get his gender. That then tells us how to do the queries. If we had to look on both sides of the marriage record (we have a Husband ID and a Wife ID as we call them) things would be a lot more complicated and would slow things down quite a bit. This would hit all kinds of areas in Legacy and with our current database design wouldn't be very efficient. We know this issue has been important for many and will continue to grow in importance. To implement it correctly would take quite a bit of work and would not only affect Legacy but all of the current add-on programs. I guess because of the complexity of a change at this point we have held off. At some point the presure of things will force us to dive in and make the changes required. Thanks Ken McGinnis Millennia Corporation kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com We changing the world of genealogy!” I know that there is a work around that isn’t perfect, but it is the only way to get same sex relationships recorded in Legacy 8 at present. Information on this work around is available at: *http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html* As I recall, the last time this subject was up for discussion someone from Millennia stopped the thread, which, I think was a mistake. We should be able to discuss this deficiency in an open way, without the discussion being stopped by Millennia. I am 75 years young and a retired Minister of the Gospel and I have no desire to impose my moral values on anyone else. I simply want to be able to enter the same sex relationships that exist in my family. I can say, as did Ellen, God bless, however her conclusion that she is thankful for Legacy not giving us, who wish to record these relationships, the ability to do so is something with which I can not agree. On March 31, 2008 I started a discussion on this subject on the Translation and Test lists. It is obvious that Millennia has not felt “the pressure of things” so that they will feel forced “to dive in and make the changes required”. Just my 2 cents worth. -- Leonard Johnson Swedish Translation Team legacy8.swed...@gmail.com We are helping change the world of genealogy ! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick. It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program loads as well. Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as well Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in recording people, their lives and their relationships. On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our website http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Martyn Ward ward.mar...@gmail.comwrote: This is my first post to this user group, so please forgive me if this topic has been covered before. Could anyone tell me if Legacy v8 accommodates same Sex Partnerships/Marriages? I have entered several of these relationships into my tree but Legacy does not allow you to enter 2 people of the same sex into a marriage or partnership. It still treats them as a male female. Is there any way that you can get round this so that both the people in the partnership have their correct gender? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages
No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our website http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Martyn Ward ward.mar...@gmail.com wrote: This is my first post to this user group, so please forgive me if this topic has been covered before. Could anyone tell me if Legacy v8 accommodates same Sex Partnerships/Marriages? I have entered several of these relationships into my tree but Legacy does not allow you to enter 2 people of the same sex into a marriage or partnership. It still treats them as a male female. Is there any way that you can get round this so that both the people in the partnership have their correct gender? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
