Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Cathy Pinner]

Barry,

Apart from reference to "Line" that looks fine to me. But I'm no source 
purist. I could both find this online from your information and know 
where the original was.


I've never seen a Parish Register with numbered lines.
On the other hand records are numbered post 1813 for baptisms and 
burials and marriages at least from 1837. So you probably mean Page 50, 
No 398 which would be about right for earlier registers anyway where 
there were 8 baptisms a page.


Cathy


Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>
Thursday, 27 April 2017 6:50 AM
To Cathy and all who participated in this thread,

After considering your examples of recording English church records 
using Source Writer/Church Records>Church Record Books>Created at 
local level (parish, congregation, meeting etc)  I came up with the 
following.


SOURCE
Source List Name: Parish Register for Devon, England-Baptisms
Church name: Parochial Church Council, Devon Heritage Centre
Location City: Exeter
Location State: Devon
Location Country: England
Collection: Baptism Records
Format: Digital images
Website Creator: South West Heritage Trust / Findmypast
Website Title:
URL: swheritage.org.uk / fiindmypast.com
Date:

SOURCE DETAIL
Title: Baptisms in the Parish of Lower Brixham, Devon, England
Item of Interest: Baptism of Abel Godbeer at All Saints, Brixham, 
Devon. Father: Abel Godbeer (Shipwright). Mother: Susan Godbeer. 
Archive Ref: 1955A/PR/1/1. Page 50. Line 398

Date accessed: 25 Apr 2017

FOOTNOTE/ENDNOTE CITATION
Parochial Church Council, Devon Heritage Centre (Exeter, Devon, 
England), Baptism Records, "Baptisms in the Parish of Lower Brixham, 
Devon":Baptism of Abel Godbeer at All Saints, Brixham, Devon. Father: 
Abel Godbeer (Shipwright). Mother: Susan Godbeer. Archive Ref: 
1955A/PR/1/1. Page 50. Line 398. digital images. South West Heritage 
Trust / Findmypast (swheritage.org.uk / findmypast.com:  Accessed 25 
Apr 2017)
I haven't tried it yet but I'm hoping a similar approach would work 
for marriage and banns held in church records.


Any comments invited.

Barry Godbeer
Canada



On Monday, April 24, 2017 12:05 PM, Ian Thomas  
wrote:



Cathy
I can guess at why Millennium doesn’t “publish” on-disk templates for 
SourceWriter: I think their rules-based code is within some 
password-protected mdb files (disguised as .dbm). or at least that is 
the way that I would code it.
Also, whether the above is right or wrong – if the formatting of 
sources is so divergent between times in history and jurisdictions (as 
for example, the dogs’-breakfast of even the online BDM databases in 
the 7 or so States of Australia, over the less than 200 years of 
record-keeping) it would be a big task for them to research and 
implement the rules for sources for additional to those in the USA.

(just my conjectures)
Thanks for the tip. I don’t want to accumulate sources stored in ways 
that make retrieval or maintenance a big chore, or inflexible.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner

*Sent:* Monday, 24 April 2017 7:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms
Unless Basic sources were rudimentary or really badly formatted and 
the Basic Master Source can't be edited into respectable format, then 
don't even consider changing Basic Sources to SourceWriter sources.
It's a slow tedious job which is only worth doing if the source isn't 
sufficiently informative and needs to be redone anyway - like some of 
my early sources from the 1990s.


Making your own guides to how you enter Basic Sources is a great idea.

Cathy

Ian Thomas wrote:

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Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>
Monday, 24 April 2017 6:07 PM

Cathy

I can guess at why Millennium doesn’t “publish” on-disk templates for 
SourceWriter: I think their rules-based code is within some 
password-protected mdb files (disguised as .dbm). or at least that is 
the way that I would code it.


Also, whether the above is right or wrong – if the formatting of 
sources is so divergent between times in history and jurisdictions (as 
for example, the dogs’-breakfast of even the online BDM databases in 
the 7 or so States of Australia, over the less than 200 years of 
record-keeping) it would be a big task for them to research and 
implement the rules for sources for additional to those in the USA.


(just my conjectures)

Thanks for the tip. I don’t want to accumulate sources stored in ways 
that make retrieval or maintenance a big chore, or inflexible.


Ian Thomas

Albert

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Barry Godbeer]

To Cathy and all who participated in this thread,
After considering your examples of recording English church records using 
Source Writer/Church Records>Church Record Books>Created at local level 
(parish, congregation, meeting etc)  I came up with the following.
SOURCESource List Name: Parish Register for Devon, England-BaptismsChurch name: 
Parochial Church Council, Devon Heritage CentreLocation City: ExeterLocation 
State: DevonLocation Country: EnglandCollection: Baptism RecordsFormat: Digital 
imagesWebsite Creator: South West Heritage Trust / FindmypastWebsite Title:URL: 
swheritage.org.uk / fiindmypast.comDate:
SOURCE DETAILTitle: Baptisms in the Parish of Lower Brixham, Devon, EnglandItem 
of Interest: Baptism of Abel Godbeer at All Saints, Brixham, Devon. Father: 
Abel Godbeer (Shipwright). Mother: Susan Godbeer. Archive Ref: 1955A/PR/1/1. 
Page 50. Line 398Date accessed: 25 Apr 2017
FOOTNOTE/ENDNOTE CITATIONParochial Church Council, Devon Heritage Centre 
(Exeter, Devon, England), Baptism Records, "Baptisms in the Parish of Lower 
Brixham, Devon":Baptism of Abel Godbeer at All Saints, Brixham, Devon. Father: 
Abel Godbeer (Shipwright). Mother: Susan Godbeer. Archive Ref: 1955A/PR/1/1. 
Page 50. Line 398. digital images. South West Heritage Trust / Findmypast 
(swheritage.org.uk / findmypast.com:  Accessed 25 Apr 2017) I haven't tried it 
yet but I'm hoping a similar approach would work for marriage and banns held in 
church records.

Any comments invited.
Barry GodbeerCanada
 

On Monday, April 24, 2017 12:05 PM, Ian Thomas  
wrote:
 

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Millennium doesn’t “publish” on-disk templates for SourceWriter: I think their 
rules-based code is within some password-protected mdb files (disguised as 
.dbm). or at least that is the way that I would code it.   Also, whether the 
above is right or wrong – if the formatting of sources is so divergent between 
times in history and jurisdictions (as for example, the dogs’-breakfast of even 
the online BDM databases in the 7 or so States of Australia, over the less than 
200 years of record-keeping) it would be a big task for them to research and 
implement the rules for sources for additional to those in the USA.      (just 
my conjectures)    Thanks for the tip. I don’t want to accumulate sources 
stored in ways that make retrieval or maintenance a big chore, or inflexible.   
 Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia    From: LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com]On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 7:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms    Unless Basic sources 
were rudimentary or really badly formatted and the Basic Master Source can't be 
edited into respectable format, then don't even consider changing Basic Sources 
to SourceWriter sources.
It's a slow tedious job which is only worth doing if the source isn't 
sufficiently informative and needs to be redone anyway - like some of my early 
sources from the 1990s.

Making your own guides to how you enter Basic Sources is a great idea.

Cathy

Ian Thomas wrote:

 

Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the 
side are AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very 
peripheral USA, Canada, South Africa.

Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter 
(though I thought I should be).

It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my 
‘basic’ source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *carogene
*Sent:* Monday, 24 April 2017 3:35 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.

I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.

Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long 
winded) for my records.

Carolyn

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, 

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Ian Thomas]

Cathy
I can guess at why Millennium doesn’t “publish” on-disk templates for 
SourceWriter: I think their rules-based code is within some password-protected 
mdb files (disguised as .dbm). or at least that is the way that I would code it.
Also, whether the above is right or wrong – if the formatting of sources is so 
divergent between times in history and jurisdictions (as for example, the 
dogs’-breakfast of even the online BDM databases in the 7 or so States of 
Australia, over the less than 200 years of record-keeping) it would be a big 
task for them to research and implement the rules for sources for additional to 
those in the USA.

(just my conjectures)

Thanks for the tip. I don’t want to accumulate sources stored in ways that make 
retrieval or maintenance a big chore, or inflexible.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 7:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

Unless Basic sources were rudimentary or really badly formatted and the Basic 
Master Source can't be edited into respectable format, then don't even consider 
changing Basic Sources to SourceWriter sources.
It's a slow tedious job which is only worth doing if the source isn't 
sufficiently informative and needs to be redone anyway - like some of my early 
sources from the 1990s.

Making your own guides to how you enter Basic Sources is a great idea.

Cathy

Ian Thomas wrote:


Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the
side are AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very
peripheral USA, Canada, South Africa.

Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter
(though I thought I should be).

It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my
‘basic’ source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *carogene
*Sent:* Monday, 24 April 2017 3:35 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.

I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.

Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long
winded) for my records.

Carolyn

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner mailto:genea...@gmail.com<mailto:genea...@gmail.com%20%0b%3cmailto:genea...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:

Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This
has bee n asked for, but for some reason rejected.

Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives
can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant
fields for the Department code and series number in the Master
Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA
citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to
break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't
seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her
English Census models.

Cathy

Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com%0b   
%20%3cmailto:il.tho...@outlook.com%20> >>
Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.

Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates
created by others for their specific purpose are
“transferrable”? That is, are they a separate named file on
the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where
others might download and then install into their Legacy
system on their computer?

If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community
resource could be created.

I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed,
from v8 (or before?) to v9 of Legacy.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com
<mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com<mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com%0b   
%20%3cmailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
Cathy,

 &nbs p;  Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.

You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in
Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly
having a different M

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Cathy Pinner]

Unless Basic sources were rudimentary or really badly formatted and the 
Basic Master Source can't be edited into respectable format, then don't 
even consider changing Basic Sources to SourceWriter sources.
It's a slow tedious job which is only worth doing if the source isn't 
sufficiently informative and needs to be redone anyway - like some of my 
early sources from the 1990s.


Making your own guides to how you enter Basic Sources is a great idea.

Cathy

Ian Thomas wrote:


Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the
side are AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very
peripheral USA, Canada, South Africa.

Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter
(though I thought I should be).

It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my
‘basic’ source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *carogene
*Sent:* Monday, 24 April 2017 3:35 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.

I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.

Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long
winded) for my records.

Carolyn

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This
has been asked for, but for some reason rejected.

Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives
can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant
fields for the Department code and series number in the Master
Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA
citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to
break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't
seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her
English Census models.

Cathy

Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.

Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates
created by others for their specific purpose are
“transferrable”? That is, are they a separate named file on
the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where
others might download and then install into their Legacy
system on their computer?

If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community
resource could be created.

I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed,
from v8 (or before?) to v9 of Legacy.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com
<mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
Cathy,

Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.

You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in
Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly
having a different Master Source for every church. If I
understand your two examples correctly you have some Master
Sources for individual churches and some for a central
depository depending on where you sourced the information.

Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism
Master Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial
Church Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works
for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past because
I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me
direction.

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.

Thanks again,

Barry Godbeer




On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Barry,

Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The
records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in
Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books >
created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) >
and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the
Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at
the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some
online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both
sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust &
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could
have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In m

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Ian Thomas]

Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the side are 
AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very peripheral USA, Canada, 
South Africa.
Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter (though I 
thought I should be).

It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my ‘basic’ 
source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help.


Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of carogene
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 3:35 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.
I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.
Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long winded)  for 
my records.

Carolyn

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has been asked 
for, but for some reason rejected.

Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be 
sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the Department 
code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the piece number in 
the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation style. In 
this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles of keeping a 
reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her work to see if 
she's amended her English Census models.

Cathy
Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the 
different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but 
that would be a daunting task I'm sure.

Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created by others 
for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are they a separate 
named file on the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where 
others might download and then install into their Legacy system on their 
computer?

If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could be 
created.

I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 (or 
before?) to v9 of Legacy.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com<mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
Cathy,

Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.

You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that would work 
for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different Master Source for 
every church. If I understand your two examples correctly you have some Master 
Sources for individual churches and some for a central depository depending on 
where you sourced the information.

Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master Sources using 
a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church Council/Findmypast), understanding 
that nothing works for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past 
because I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me direction.

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the 
different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but 
that would be a daunting task I'm sure.

Thanks again,

Barry Godbeer




On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Barry,

Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are 
recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at local 
level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format you've used. 
I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem 
some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: Images 
courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead chosen 
to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.

So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images 
courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & 
FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," 
Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Re

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[carogene]

But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.
I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.
Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long winded)
 for my records.

Carolyn

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Ian,
> It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has been
> asked for, but for some reason rejected.
>
> Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be
> sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the
> Department code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the
> piece number in the Source Detail.
> I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation
> style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles
> of keeping a reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her
> work to see if she's amended her English Census models.
>
> Cathy
>
> Ian Thomas 
>> Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM
>>
>> Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered
>> the different methods of recording in various countries at different times,
>> but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
>>
>> Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created by
>> others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are they a
>> separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a
>> site where others might download and then install into their Legacy system
>> on their computer?
>>
>> If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could be
>> created.
>>
>> I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 (or
>> before?) to v9 of Legacy.
>>
>> Ian Thomas
>>
>> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>>
>> Barry Godbeer 
>> Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
>> Cathy,
>>
>> Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.
>>
>> You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that
>> would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different
>> Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples correctly
>> you have some Master Sources for individual churches and some for a central
>> depository depending on where you sourced the information.
>>
>> Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master Sources
>> using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church Council/Findmypast),
>> understanding that nothing works for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns
>> in the past because I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given
>> me direction.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered
>> the different methods of recording in various countries at different times,
>> but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Barry Godbeer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Barry,
>>
>> Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are
>> recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
>> So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at
>> local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format
>> you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online
>> images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to
>> England and some online.
>> I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg:
>> Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council &
>> FindMyPast
>> I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead
>> chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
>> In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc.
>> I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.
>>
>> So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images
>> courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council &
>> FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
>> and a source citation:
>> St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15
>> 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt;
>> Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council &
>> FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
>>
>> This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular
>> register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the Archive
>> catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, if any is
>> given. At the archives you can usually only see parish registers on
>> microfilm - and probably now the online images.
>>
>> The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual register
>> ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master Source for Devon
>> Heritage Centre)
>> Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and 

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Richard Young]

Jane, where are you in Phoenix. If you are near the east side, we have a
monthly User Group meeting in Mesa.

Richard


On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Jane Linkswiler  wrote:

> Kathy, I've been sitting here for two days with my mouth hanging open at
> that WONderful description you gave then on how you write your sources to
> show everything about them. And then this, too. Thank you for taking me
> down a peg from thinking I was pretty good at getting my sources at all. I
> now know what I'll be aiming for. Thank you,
>
> Jane in Phoenix (first I need to take a good look at all the source
> templates)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:29 PM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms
>
> Ian,
> It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has been
> asked for, but for some reason rejected.
>
> Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be
> sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the
> Department code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the
> piece number in the Source Detail.
> I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation
> style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles
> of keeping a reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her
> work to see if she's amended her English Census models.
>
> Cathy
>
> > Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>
> > Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM
> >
> > Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered
> > the different methods of recording in various countries at different
> > times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
> >
> > Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created
> > by others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are
> > they a separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be
> > uploaded to a site where others might download and then install into
> > their Legacy system on their computer?
> >
> > If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could
> > be created.
> >
> > I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8
> > (or before?) to v9 of Legacy.
> >
> > Ian Thomas
> >
> > Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
> >
> > Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>
> > Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
> > Cathy,
> >
> > Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.
> >
> > You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that
> > would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different
> > Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples
> > correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and
> > some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the
> > information.
> >
> > Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master
> > Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church
> > Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works for ever. I have
> > overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do
> > with them. Now you have given me direction.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered
> > the different methods of recording in various countries at different
> > times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Barry Godbeer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> > Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records
> > are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
> > So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created
> > at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the
> > format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than
> > online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare
> > visit to England and some online.
> > I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources:
> > eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church
> > Council & FindMyPast
> > I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could hav

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Jane Linkswiler]

Kathy, I've been sitting here for two days with my mouth hanging open at that 
WONderful description you gave then on how you write your sources to show 
everything about them. And then this, too. Thank you for taking me down a peg 
from thinking I was pretty good at getting my sources at all. I now know what 
I'll be aiming for. Thank you,

Jane in Phoenix (first I need to take a good look at all the source templates)

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has been asked 
for, but for some reason rejected.

Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be 
sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the Department 
code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the piece number in 
the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation style. In 
this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles of keeping a 
reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her work to see if 
she's amended her English Census models.

Cathy

> Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>
> Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM
>
> Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered 
> the different methods of recording in various countries at different 
> times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
>
> Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created 
> by others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are 
> they a separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be 
> uploaded to a site where others might download and then install into 
> their Legacy system on their computer?
>
> If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could 
> be created.
>
> I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 
> (or before?) to v9 of Legacy.
>
> Ian Thomas
>
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
> Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>
> Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
> Cathy,
>
> Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.
>
> You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that 
> would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different 
> Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples 
> correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and 
> some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the 
> information.
>
> Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master 
> Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church 
> Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works for ever. I have 
> overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do 
> with them. Now you have given me direction.
>
> Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered 
> the different methods of recording in various countries at different 
> times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Barry Godbeer
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner  
> wrote:
>
>
> Barry,
>
> Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records 
> are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
> So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created 
> at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the 
> format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than 
> online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare 
> visit to England and some online.
> I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: 
> eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church 
> Council & FindMyPast
> I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have 
> instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
> In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc.
> I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.
>
> So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); 
> Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church 
> Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
> and a source citation:
> St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 
> 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca 
> Mawditt; Images courtesy of Sou

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Cathy Pinner]

Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has been 
asked for, but for some reason rejected.


Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be 
sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the 
Department code and series number in the Master Source and a field for 
the piece number in the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation 
style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her 
principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't seen the latest 
editions of her work to see if she's amended her English Census models.


Cathy


Ian Thomas 
Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered 
the different methods of recording in various countries at different 
times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.


Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created 
by others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are 
they a separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be 
uploaded to a site where others might download and then install into 
their Legacy system on their computer?


If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could 
be created.


I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 
(or before?) to v9 of Legacy.


Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

Barry Godbeer 
Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
Cathy,

Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.

You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that 
would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different 
Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples 
correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and 
some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the 
information.


Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master 
Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church 
Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works for ever. I have 
overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do 
with them. Now you have given me direction.


Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered 
the different methods of recording in various countries at different 
times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure.


Thanks again,

Barry Godbeer




On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner  
wrote:



Barry,

Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records 
are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created 
at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the 
format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than 
online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare 
visit to England and some online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: 
eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church 
Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have 
instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.

In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.

So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); 
Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church 
Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.

and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 
1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca 
Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial 
Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.


This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular 
register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the 
Archive catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, 
if any is given. At the archives you can usually only see parish 
registers on microfilm - and probably now the online images.


The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual 
register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master 
Source for Devon Heritage Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record 
number from the register etc


Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), 
"Christenings  PE/FOL/RE 2/1  1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George 
Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm 
MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, Dorchester.


Does that help?
Cathy

Barry Godbeer wrote:
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Ian Thomas]

Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the 
different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but 
that would be a daunting task I'm sure.

Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created by others 
for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are they a separate 
named file on the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where 
others might download and then install into their Legacy system on their 
computer?
If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could be 
created.
I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 (or 
before?) to v9 of Legacy.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Barry Godbeer]

Cathy,
Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.
You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that would work 
for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different Master Source for 
every church. If I understand your two examples correctly you have some Master 
Sources for individual churches and some for a central depository depending on 
where you sourced the information.
Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master Sources using 
a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church Council/Findmypast), understanding 
that nothing works for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past 
because I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me direction.
Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the 
different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but 
that would be a daunting task I'm sure.
Thanks again,
Barry Godbeer   

 

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner  
wrote:
 

 Barry,

Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are 
recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at local 
level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format you've used. 
I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem 
some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: Images 
courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead chosen 
to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are archived. 

So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images 
courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & 
FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. 
and a source citation: 
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," 
Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy 
of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon 
Heritage Centre, Exeter. 

This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular register. If 
it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the Archive catalogue and find 
it and also record their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you 
can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and probably now the 
online images.

The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual register ( or 
church and register if you chose to have one Master Source for Devon Heritage 
Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record number from 
the register etc 

Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), "Christenings  
PE/FOL/RE 2/1  1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images 
courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, 
Dorchester. 

Does that help?
Cathy

Barry Godbeer wrote:


I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source Writer for 
Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales.

The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about Baptisms, 
unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is there right under my 
nose.

My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update computer 
soon!

As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem.

I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the Parish of 
Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page number and an entry 
number with a reference to South West Heritage Trust and Parochial 
Church Council in the left margin.

The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name of the 
individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it list the
location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned on the 
image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no mention of the 
Parochial Church Council), an archive reference (1955A/PR/1/1) that 
makes no mention of the page number or line number and whose archive 
reference is it?

For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document, the 
Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or Findmypast? 
Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast have URLs. In years 
to come which of the three will still be around?

Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record Books>created 
at local level (parish, congregation, meetings, etc and do I do the 
best I can with that? The Source Detail related to this Master Source 
is not very informative.

To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any sources 
or citations which might help complete the picture of the source, but 
that's another To Do Task.

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms

[Cathy Pinner]

Barry,

Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are 
recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at 
local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format 
you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online 
images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to 
England and some online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: 
Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council 
& FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead 
chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.

In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are archived.

So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); 
Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church 
Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.

and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 
1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca 
Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial 
Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.


This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular 
register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the Archive 
catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, if any is 
given. At the archives you can usually only see parish registers on 
microfilm - and probably now the online images.


The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual 
register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master Source 
for Devon Heritage Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record number 
from the register etc


Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), 
"Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George 
Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm 
MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, Dorchester.


Does that help?
Cathy

Barry Godbeer wrote:


I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source Writer for
Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales.

The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about Baptisms,
unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is there right under my
nose.

My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update computer
soon!

As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem.

I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the Parish of
Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page number and an entry
number with a reference to South West Heritage Trust and Parochial
Church Council in the left margin.

The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name of the
individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it list the
location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned on the
image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no mention of the
Parochial Church Council), an archive reference (1955A/PR/1/1) that
makes no mention of the page number or line number and whose archive
reference is it?

For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document, the
Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or Findmypast?
Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast have URLs. In years
to come which of the three will still be around?

Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record Books>created
at local level (parish, congregation, meetings, etc and do I do the
best I can with that? The Source Detail related to this Master Source
is not very informative.

To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any sources
or citations which might help complete the picture of the source, but
that's another To Do Task.

So does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone with ancestors in
England come up with a solution that makes sense?

Barry Godbeer

Canada
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