subject:"Re\: \[LegacyUG\] uppercase surnames"

Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-12 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Brian,

You make an excellent point. I have had myriad data that I have imported 
from other sources where I have had to change capitalization errors due 
to all-caps to first-upper conversions. Example: Mccullough, Mccrory, 
and Mcnamee in my case.  These should be McCullough, McCrory, and 
McNamee. Computer conversions will easily change all-caps to first-cap, 
but they cannot handle the second cap prevalent in Irish and Scots names.

Christopher

On 5/11/2020 11:07 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
Not sure that there is any formal statement on use of mixed case 
surnames so here is my take on the change.

All Uppercase surnames are a holdover from the days BC (before 
computer) where genealogical records and reports were either hand 
written or typewritten. All Uppercase surnames were used to highlight 
and give emphasis to surnames making them more visible.

Nowadays it is so easy to have the computer change the display and/or 
output of surnames in all uppercase when needed that now it is just 
easier to use Initial Caps or mixed case in surnames and let the 
computer do the work of translation to uppercase when needed.

It is much more difficult to translate an all uppercase surname to 
mixed case because of surnames which have an internal uppercase letter 
like McKenzie, MacDougal VanGough etc. The computer cannot correctly 
change the case from uppercase to mixed case in those cases.

Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 11:33 p.m., Terry Montgomery wrote:
Can someone tell me why the convention is NOT all-caps? I have just 
found it useful.

Terry Montgomery

On 12/05/2020 5:15 am, Tessa Keough wrote:
I say turn off the warning (as mentioned previously) AND you own 
your family tree(s) and those people are in your genealogy software 
(you own Legacy, it doesn't own you). If and when you want to share 
online or elsewhere and feel the need, you could switch over to 
Initial Cap for surname (or keep with All Cap). This is not one of 
the errors/problems like not using the correct date format so that 
internationally we all know what we are talking about - you do you!

/*Tessa Keough*/

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM Brian Kelly > wrote:

    You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential
    Problems.

    Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the 
"Surname

    Entered in all uppercase" box

    Brian Kelly

    On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:
    > Hello,
    >
    > I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
    Everything
    > is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
    telling me
    > that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
    be. I've
    > entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And
    clicked
    > on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
    still are.
    >
    > Please, can you help.
    >
    > Gillian
    >
    >

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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Brian Kelly

Not sure that there is any formal statement on use of mixed case 
surnames so here is my take on the change.

All Uppercase surnames are a holdover from the days BC (before computer) 
where genealogical records and reports were either hand written or 
typewritten. All Uppercase surnames were used to highlight and give 
emphasis to surnames making them more visible.

Nowadays it is so easy to have the computer change the display and/or 
output of surnames in all uppercase when needed that now it is just 
easier to use Initial Caps or mixed case in surnames and let the 
computer do the work of translation to uppercase when needed.

It is much more difficult to translate an all uppercase surname to mixed 
case because of surnames which have an internal uppercase letter like 
McKenzie, MacDougal VanGough etc. The computer cannot correctly change 
the case from uppercase to mixed case in those cases.

Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 11:33 p.m., Terry Montgomery wrote:
Can someone tell me why the convention is NOT all-caps? I have just 
found it useful.

Terry Montgomery

On 12/05/2020 5:15 am, Tessa Keough wrote:
I say turn off the warning (as mentioned previously) AND you own your 
family tree(s) and those people are in your genealogy software (you 
own Legacy, it doesn't own you). If and when you want to share online 
or elsewhere and feel the need, you could switch over to Initial Cap 
for surname (or keep with All Cap). This is not one of the 
errors/problems like not using the correct date format so that 
internationally we all know what we are talking about - you do you!

/*Tessa Keough*/

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM Brian Kelly > wrote:

You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential
Problems.

Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the "Surname
Entered in all uppercase" box

Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
Everything
> is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
telling me
> that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
be. I've
> entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And
clicked
> on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
still are.
>
> Please, can you help.
>
> Gillian
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Terry Montgomery

Can someone tell me why the convention is NOT all-caps? I have just 
found it useful.

Terry Montgomery

On 12/05/2020 5:15 am, Tessa Keough wrote:
I say turn off the warning (as mentioned previously) AND you own your 
family tree(s) and those people are in your genealogy software (you 
own Legacy, it doesn't own you). If and when you want to share online 
or elsewhere and feel the need, you could switch over to Initial Cap 
for surname (or keep with All Cap). This is not one of the 
errors/problems like not using the correct date format so that 
internationally we all know what we are talking about - you do you!

/*Tessa Keough*/

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM Brian Kelly > wrote:

You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential
Problems.

Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the "Surname
Entered in all uppercase" box

Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
Everything
> is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
telling me
> that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
be. I've
> entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And
clicked
> on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
still are.
>
> Please, can you help.
>
> Gillian
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Gillian Hakli

Thank you, Tessa, that's how I see it, too.

Gillian

PS I did as Brian suggested below but by mistake replied to him alone 
instead of the whole list. Everything is fine now and just the way I 
like it.

On 11/05/2020 20:15, Tessa Keough wrote:
I say turn off the warning (as mentioned previously) AND you own your 
family tree(s) and those people are in your genealogy software (you 
own Legacy, it doesn't own you). If and when you want to share online 
or elsewhere and feel the need, you could switch over to Initial Cap 
for surname (or keep with All Cap). This is not one of the 
errors/problems like not using the correct date format so that 
internationally we all know what we are talking about - you do you!

/*Tessa Keough*/

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM Brian Kelly > wrote:

You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential
Problems.

Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the "Surname
Entered in all uppercase" box

Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
Everything
> is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
telling me
> that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
be. I've
> entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And
clicked
> on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
still are.
>
> Please, can you help.
>
> Gillian
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Tessa Keough

I say turn off the warning (as mentioned previously) AND you own your
family tree(s) and those people are in your genealogy software (you own
Legacy, it doesn't own you). If and when you want to share online or
elsewhere and feel the need, you could switch over to Initial Cap for
surname (or keep with All Cap). This is not one of the errors/problems like
not using the correct date format so that internationally we all know what
we are talking about - you do you!


*Tessa Keough*



On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM Brian Kelly  wrote:

> You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential
> Problems.
>
> Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the "Surname
> Entered in all uppercase" box
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on. Everything
> > is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle telling me
> > that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to be. I've
> > entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And clicked
> > on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they still are.
> >
> > Please, can you help.
> >
> > Gillian
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Brian Kelly

You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential 
Problems.


Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the "Surname 
Entered in all uppercase" box


Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:

Hello,

I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on. Everything 
is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle telling me 
that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to be. I've 
entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And clicked 
on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they still are.


Please, can you help.

Gillian




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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

No judgement here, just something to think about - our genealogy data is 
not really ours.  It is a legacy for those to come after. I personally 
weigh my preferences against the "standard", keeping in mind that my 
data is there to be shared.  The more standard formats I can follow, the 
easier it is to share the data.


Christopher

On 5/11/2020 6:56 AM, gill...@saunalahti.fi wrote:
May be a convention as you say but I prefer to have them all 
uppercase, which is how they've happily been for years and years - 
until today.


On 11 May 2020 2:39 pm, Charles Hunt  wrote:

The convention is to enter surnames starting with uppercase and
rest of name lowercase. You can chose to show them as all uppercase.

Charles

On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 20:53, Gillian Hakli mailto:gill...@saunalahti.fi>> wrote:

Hello,

I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
Everything
is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
telling me
that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
be. I've
entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4.
And clicked
on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
still are.

Please, can you help.

Gillian


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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread gilldoc

May be a convention as you say but I prefer to have them all uppercase, which is how they've happily been for years and years - until today.On 11 May 2020 2:39 pm, Charles Hunt  wrote:The convention is to enter surnames starting with uppercase and rest of name lowercase. You can chose to show them as all uppercase.CharlesOn Mon, 11 May 2020 at 20:53, Gillian Hakli  wrote:Hello,

I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on. Everything 
is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle telling me 
that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to be. I've 
entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And clicked 
on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they still are.

Please, can you help.

Gillian


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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Charles Hunt

The convention is to enter surnames starting with uppercase and rest of
name lowercase. You can chose to show them as all uppercase.

Charles

On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 20:53, Gillian Hakli  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on. Everything
> is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle telling me
> that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to be. I've
> entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And clicked
> on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they still are.
>
> Please, can you help.
>
> Gillian
>
>
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