Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
Hi, > > I think that if the data had been not "published" PD but actually > > "disowned" by the government (as in: this is what we have and we're > > not going to work with this any more) then the situation would have > > been wholly different. > > You think it's more likely that a community would form if there were > no updates than if there were some updates? That seems > counter-intuitive to me. Why should a community gather around a data set that it still actively maintained by someone else who isn't even asking for help? That would seem counter-intuitive to me but I'm really unwilling to discuss stuff that is hypothetical on so many levels - it doesn't help. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
Frederik Ramm wrote: > As regards TIGER specifically, my belief is that no community has > formed around that because what you get in PD is not the "master > database" but just something compiled by the government, and they have > promised periodic re-issues of updated information. Whatever changes > your community makes, they will not be contained in the next > government release, and you either have to "fork off" and ignore them, > or forever try and try to filter out the "new stuff" from the next > release and merge that with what you have. > > I think that if the data had been not "published" PD but actually > "disowned" by the government (as in: this is what we have and we're > not going to work with this any more) then the situation would have > been wholly different. You think it's more likely that a community would form if there were no updates than if there were some updates? That seems counter-intuitive to me. Gerv ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
Hi, > > Is it relevant to us? > > Surely it's highly relevant to your assertion that we would build a > strong community around OSM if it was PD? I thought OJW was not talking about communities but about corporations. Which generally have a bad track record of working for free (perhaps because they have no 'spare time'?) > The fact that none has formed around an existing large body of > geodata ripe for improvement doesn't help your case. I suspect there will be many existing large bodies of geodata without a community, and as many with one, and the reasons behind that very diverse. Thankfully crschmidt has pointed out an example that "doesn't help your case". As regards TIGER specifically, my belief is that no community has formed around that because what you get in PD is not the "master database" but just something compiled by the government, and they have promised periodic re-issues of updated information. Whatever changes your community makes, they will not be contained in the next government release, and you either have to "fork off" and ignore them, or forever try and try to filter out the "new stuff" from the next release and merge that with what you have. I think that if the data had been not "published" PD but actually "disowned" by the government (as in: this is what we have and we're not going to work with this any more) then the situation would have been wholly different. But that's pure speculation - as is the idea that no community has formed because it was PD rather than copyleft. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:03:20PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: > > None that I know of; I suppose they have all spent a lot of money to > > be able to process and improve TIGER and they probably want to recoup > > that investment through proprietary licensing. > > > > Is it relevant to us? > > Surely it's highly relevant to your assertion that we would build a > strong community around OSM if it was PD? The fact that none has formed > around an existing large body of geodata ripe for improvement doesn't > help your case. Perhaps this is true for TIGER, but it seems to me that geonames.org is exactly the opposite: a public domain dataset (vmap0) has been embraced/extended into (in some cases) dozens or more languages per place name, and many many corrections to data. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
Frederik Ramm wrote: > None that I know of; I suppose they have all spent a lot of money to > be able to process and improve TIGER and they probably want to recoup > that investment through proprietary licensing. > > Is it relevant to us? Surely it's highly relevant to your assertion that we would build a strong community around OSM if it was PD? The fact that none has formed around an existing large body of geodata ripe for improvement doesn't help your case. Gerv ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
Hi, > Have there been many projects/companies which improved TIGER and > released the results as PD? None that I know of; I suppose they have all spent a lot of money to be able to process and improve TIGER and they probably want to recoup that investment through proprietary licensing. Is it relevant to us? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
