Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status
On 26/09/2009, at 3:02 AM, Mike Collinson wrote: > - A very much re-worked Contributor Terms is now virtually complete > and you can see a snapshot at > http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_1kqzg8dhr > . Something I just thought of that would probably be worth talking about - how does the "active contributor" for voting, and other things, work if (unfortunately) the project forks? > the geo-database of the OpenStreetMap project (the “Project”) ... > or another free and open license; which other free and open license is chosen by a vote of the > OSMF membership [MJC3] and approved by a vote of active contributors. ... > An "active contributor" is defined as: > > a contributor (whether using a single or multiple accounts) that has edited the Project in any 3 > calendar months from the last 6 months (i.e. there is a demonstrated interest over time,); and > has maintained a valid email address in their registration profile and responds within 3 weeks. Two situations to think about: 1) Some time after a relicense to ODbL, there is a big argument and 20% of the mappers go off to form FreeStreeMap, based on a fork of the database. (question) does the OSFM membership retain it's voting power over a re-license for all derivative databases? A while later (> 3 months) OSM decides to relicense the db, perhaps to ODbL 2.0. (question) what exactly defines _the_ geo-database of the the Project? (question) and following that, if someone was contributing to OSM before the fork and FSM after it, do they get a vote on the re-license? 2) Some time after a re-license to ODbL, someone creates a derivative database called EvilStreetMap. They continue to release the data in accordance with the ODbL, but do not accept any outside contributors. (question) after waiting three months, who has voting rights over a re-license of EvilStreetMap? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL "virality" questions
hi legals, i've come across a couple of interesting questions / use-cases for the ODbL and wider discussion. it basically reduces to whether we want the ODbL to have viral (GPL-like) behaviour, or whether it should be less viral (LGPL-like). we've discussed this at an LWG meeting and the general feeling was that the LGPL-like behaviour would be more desirable, as it would allow wider use of OSM by third parties. however, it was felt that a wider discussion is necessary. first case: a site wishes to use OSM data as a basis for non-geographic data. the example used is a review side, like beerintheevening.com or tripadvisor.com. they might want to use OSM as the source of geographic data by linking its reviews to OSM node IDs (or lat/lons taken from the OSM data). under a GPL-like interpretation of the ODbL, this would "taint" the database, requiring its release. considering that the records in the database may contain private information (IP/email address of the reviewer) this may mean that the site decides not to use OSM, because releasing the DB would violate their own privacy policy. second case: OSM data is downloaded to a handheld device (e.g: iphone). this is likely (given the screen size of the device) to be an insubstantial amount. the data is locally used for reference when entering other information (e.g: abovesaid reviews). the reviews are uploaded to a non-OSM site, linked to the OSM-derived node ID or lat/lon. if many people do this, does that constitute repeated extraction and therefore require release of the non-OSM DB under the ODbL? i.e: can 3rd party sites use OSM IDs or lat/lons from OSM as keys into their database? the discussion at the LWG meeting centered around whether the database "linking to" OSM data could be considered stand-alone. using the similarity with the LGPL; whether the reviews database could be "re-linked" against another source of geographic data while continuing to work. this would imply that the list of (e.g: pubs or hotels) would need to be released as an extract of OSM as a list of OSM IDs or lat/lons, but that the reviews themselves and auxillary tables (such as the users' information) wouldn't constitute a derivative work of the OSM database. what are your thoughts? cheers, matt ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Greg Holloway wrote: >> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:19:01 + >> From: ava...@gmail.com >> To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway >> wrote: >> > I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow >> > me >> > to explain myself; >> > >> > I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle >> > running >> > memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed >> > maps. I >> > have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have >> > began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover >> > website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml >> > data. >> > i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and >> > other >> > gps based software. >> > >> > i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will >> > include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money >> > will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case. >> > I >> > have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with >> > the >> > legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I >> > don't >> > want to step on anyone toes as it were. >> > >> > for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to >> > http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the >> > dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on >> > iceland >> > for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing >> > is >> > acceptable. >> >> What you're doing is just fine by the CC-BY-SA license. You're also >> not modifying the map data so all you have to worry about is making it >> clear when you distribute it that it's from OpenStreetMap >> >> See this text for more information: >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F >> >> The attribution appropriate to your medium I think would be: >> >> * If you're printing something on the DVD itself or its casing it >> should include "(c) OpenStreetMap (and) contributors, CC-BY-SA" >> somewhere or a similar text you can reasonably fit. >> * In your autorun HTML you should not refer to the OSM license as >> "OpenStreetMap.Org Creative Commons License" but rather something like >> "OpenStreetMap data available under the Creative Commons >> Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license" with a link to the >> license >> >> How will users view your maps? Are you just distributing GeoTIFF files >> or do you bundle some sort of map viewer as well? > > > i will just be including the tiles, no software. > > i will be writting details to the dvd not the casing and i shall mention > openstreepmap copyright and any others related., i'll change the text on the > autorun html to include your suggestion. > > should i include the raw data on the dvd, ie before i have encoded the > geotiff? there's no need to include the raw data on the dvd. and you're already showing the openstreetmap attribution, so people will know where to go if they want the raw data. cheers, matt ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
> To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > From: jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:28:34 + > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution > > Greg Holloway writes: > > > > > > > Hello,I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please > > alow > me to explain myself;I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of > my > vehicle running memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & > detailed maps. I have had little success. I took the decision to make my own > maps. I have began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov > GeoCover website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap > xml > data. i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and > other gps based software. > > Hi, > > I suggest to consider including OziExplorer .map calibration files on the > CDs/DVDs, I suppose 4x4 folks use often Ozi. Best image formats for Ozi users > are its own ozf3 format or ecw but both can be generated easily from Geotiffs. i had considered using multiple formats but decided on geotiff and it seems to be compatible with most if not all navigation software. in the UK most people use either memory map or garmins software. i will check ozi explorer in more detail. _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:19:01 + > From: ava...@gmail.com > To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway > wrote: > > I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me > > to explain myself; > > > > I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running > > memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed maps. I > > have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have > > began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover > > website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml data. > > i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and other > > gps based software. > > > > i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will > > include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money > > will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case. I > > have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with the > > legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I don't > > want to step on anyone toes as it were. > > > > for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to > > http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the > > dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on iceland > > for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing is > > acceptable. > > What you're doing is just fine by the CC-BY-SA license. You're also > not modifying the map data so all you have to worry about is making it > clear when you distribute it that it's from OpenStreetMap > > See this text for more information: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F > > The attribution appropriate to your medium I think would be: > > * If you're printing something on the DVD itself or its casing it > should include "(c) OpenStreetMap (and) contributors, CC-BY-SA" > somewhere or a similar text you can reasonably fit. > * In your autorun HTML you should not refer to the OSM license as > "OpenStreetMap.Org Creative Commons License" but rather something like > "OpenStreetMap data available under the Creative Commons > Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license" with a link to the > license > > How will users view your maps? Are you just distributing GeoTIFF files > or do you bundle some sort of map viewer as well? i will just be including the tiles, no software. i will be writting details to the dvd not the casing and i shall mention openstreepmap copyright and any others related., i'll change the text on the autorun html to include your suggestion. should i include the raw data on the dvd, ie before i have encoded the geotiff? thanks for you help. _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
Greg Holloway writes: > > > Hello,I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me to explain myself;I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed maps. I have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml data. i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and other gps based software. Hi, I suggest to consider including OziExplorer .map calibration files on the CDs/DVDs, I suppose 4x4 folks use often Ozi. Best image formats for Ozi users are its own ozf3 format or ecw but both can be generated easily from Geotiffs. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway wrote: > I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me > to explain myself; > > I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running > memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed maps. I > have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have > began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover > website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml data. > i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and other > gps based software. > > i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will > include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money > will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case. I > have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with the > legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I don't > want to step on anyone toes as it were. > > for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to > http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the > dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on iceland > for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing is > acceptable. What you're doing is just fine by the CC-BY-SA license. You're also not modifying the map data so all you have to worry about is making it clear when you distribute it that it's from OpenStreetMap See this text for more information: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F The attribution appropriate to your medium I think would be: * If you're printing something on the DVD itself or its casing it should include "(c) OpenStreetMap (and) contributors, CC-BY-SA" somewhere or a similar text you can reasonably fit. * In your autorun HTML you should not refer to the OSM license as "OpenStreetMap.Org Creative Commons License" but rather something like "OpenStreetMap data available under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license" with a link to the license How will users view your maps? Are you just distributing GeoTIFF files or do you bundle some sort of map viewer as well? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
